>God isn’t real because slavery existed in the BibleLiterally the only talking point this nimwit ever resorts to.
Atheism is a disease. Take easy with this clown.
>>17277063He farms the biblical slavery thing because lots of people get triggered by it, watch the videos and then talk about his channel, advertising it for free.
>>17277063Well? How do you refute it?
>>17277063>>17277067>>17277068>someone makes an argument>refute the argument by attacking the person, rather than the argument.No wonder people are leaving your cults.You stupid faggots have no arguments to keep your cult alive. It will die off, it wont resist in the competition of ideas.Create better arguments for existence of your gods otherwise it will all perish.
>>17277141Watch closely, now they will threaten you with mystical threats like hell.
>>17277141I hereby threaten you with hell.
>logic demands there to be a first mover>so you need to worship jesus every sunday or be tortured in magic lava
>>17277225Wow I totally called that out beforehand! Epic ownage
Okay but seriously, what kind of argument can be made here to convert an atheist? When I ask things like that, I only hear long lists of dubious claims from christian dogma and questions spinning around "wouldn't it be more emotionally comforting if gods and afterlife were real and you had predetermined goal in life?"I can not see the way for faith to worm itself into someone's mind unless indoctrinated from childhood or via emotional trauma.
>>17277252Nothing, it's unfalsifiable and unprovable by design. So there's no reason to believe it, it stinks too much of a pyramid cult scheme. Don't buy that? Look at "tips and tricks to avoid being recruited for a cult" and all the points will be applicable to any religion as well. The only difference is abrahamoids have a 2000 year history to emulate authority
>>17277252first you find a religion thats's actually true for the atheist to convert to. Theism without dogmas attached to it is just deistic secularism
>>17277226>you must also take ur children to the pedohomo chirstcuck schoolsayy
>>17277063Has he ever plapjaked? Is that why he lost faith in god?
Iirc he brought this up against Ben Shapiro and the question was why a God that is all good would allow and condone slavery.
>>17277063>>17277067its really simple to test for the existance of GodI put a gun to you head. You pray to God to protect you from the bullet. If the bullet does not hurt you, God exists.Or, we could just take two test groups of parents with children dying for cancer and have one group pray for the child while the other receives medical treatment.
>>17278012That test presupposes a lot of things that wouldn't even be true according to most religions
>>17278078three of the main religions and who are behind most pro-religious posts on this board have their god do something just like that
>>17278094and those same three religions are full of examples of god refusing to oblige requests made during prayer
>>17277226>logic demands there to be a first moverNo it doesnt
>>17278012>god please do this thing that goes against your divine plan>no>WTF GOD ISNT REAL
>>17277104>Atheist: "If God exists, why does he allow X?">Christian: "God is inscrutable by definition."This is a non-argument to atheists because they can't conceptualize the rationale of an entity which literally and figuratively transcends the boundaries of human logic. So they simply deny it outright.
>>172770631. Slavery and genocide are immoral2. God cannot condone immorality 3. God condones slavery and genocide in the Bible4. Therefore, the God described in the Bible cannot exist Seems like an airtight argument to me. Which premise do you dispute?
>>17278194Occams Razor:Bible contains slavery because:A. Slavery was the norm at the time the Bible was written, and it was written by regular men who made shit up. God doesn't exist (sensible)B. God is evil, Bible is written by Satan or some other malicious entity (sensible)C. Slavery is ..le good! (sensible, but not from the position of a party that claims moral superiority in 2k24)D. God...works in mysterious ways just don't think about it (unacceptable to any reasonable person)
>>17278012That's how it would work. If God wanted to protect someone you wouldn't even be able to get near them in the first place.
>>17278221>Bible contains slavery becauseThe bible contains slavery because slavery is a human invention that has existed for the vast majority of human history. As per the bible, suffering and death was introduced to the world by humanity itself.And then, of course, retards immediately assume that God must either cater to their whims or not exist at all.
>>17278194You are the one who is ascribing omnibenevolence to God, not me. If everything God does is good, and God permits slavery, then either slavery is good or God isn't real. It's basic logic. You can't transcend your way out of it.
No, that's not his argument. His argument is that you can't make the case for God as a necessary and worthy source of objective morality, while also squirming around trying to place Biblical slavery (or any number of other things) in its own relative historical and moral context.>>17278194>literally and figuratively transcends the boundaries of human logic>an entitySee here's your problem. Lots of us are open to and aware of things that absolutely confound the human worldview and sense of things. Assuming personhood of such things is the failure of a limited, self-centered imagination. Not an expansive and open mind. It's projection writ large. You literally cannot conceive of anything being, or being a certain way, except if "someone" actually WANTED it so.I'm sorry, it's just tragically stupid and primitive. The shit out there that humans cannot conceive of or understand in any human framework? You don't have any insight into those things either.
>>17278178If you can't test your idea because any outcome is "part of the plan" then your religion is wrong as it can't make correct statements
>>17278249>As per the bible, suffering and death was introduced to the world by humanity itself.This is false. Suffering and death existed far before humans existed
>>17278279>be me>do rain dance>it starts raining>LOOK GUYS MY RAIN DANCE WORKED
>>17278265>Assuming personhood of such things is the failure of a limited, self-centered imagination.That is literally what you're doing.You're placing a positive duty on God to fix humanity's mistakes in a world where free will exists, according to the morality of mortal creatures. Retards immediately try to humanize God when he is explicitly not human; they think he operates within the commonly understood confines of human mortality, with human priorities and human concerns. This has never been true.Why would the death of the body matter to a creature whose creations literally transcend death? Why would what happens tomorrow be the concern of a creature that can not only see the future, but exists on the timeline of creation itself?It goes back to the old adage "could god make a rock too heavy for himself to lift?"Yes. He could both make the rock too heavy to lift and still lift it. And he could shit in your mouth at the same time. Because you're a fucking secular humanist retard that cannot conceive of the existence of anything beyond yourself.
>>17278178so murderers should never be punished because they're simply following gods divine plangot it
>>17278305>be me>murder>be god>yup all according to plan>be me>get punished for my murder>be god>yup all according to plan
>>17277063The existence of slavery is the hardest thing for anyone to grapple with because it single-handedly refutes all religion and proves that the idea of progress is true. There is indeed a rational, moral and scientific progression for humanity that involves abolishing things like religion and slavery
>>17278313>be me>no free will>god punishes me for doing the only thing i can do>god is evil
>>17278319>be me neoamerican>own 40 neoafrican slaves>the year is 3000 ad>I love progress
>>17278324Just because god can for see the choices you will make doesn't mean you are not the one making the choices
>>17278327We got rid of slavery because it was morally wrong and bad. Religion maintained slavery because religion is actually not sufficiently moral. Therefore we need to surpass it. Quite a simple equation that every normal person understands
>>17278334is there a divine plan or not?
>>17277225The Flying Spaghetti Monster will get his revenge on you.
>>17278249The Bible doesn't merely contain slavery, it repeatedly condones it and has rules both for how one should treat their slaves and how slaves should behave. The Bible "contains" murder too but most people would agree it's a sin. There is no Biblical argument one can make against slavery without deliberately misinterpreting the texts.As already pointed out, the argument is not "God doesn't exist because he allows bad things", it's questioning how you can acknowledge something is bad(slavery) if neither the Bible or God ever say it is. Clearly your morality is coming from somewhere else.Funnily enough, the argument that is seemingly least convincing to atheists("It's okay because God said so") is actually the most coherent, but I don't actually see theists employ it all that often.
>>17278298>You're placing a positive duty on God to fix humanity's mistakesWhy would I do that when I've made it quite clear I don't believe he exists? But people can still make internal critiques. Arguing against God as a moral authority really isn't supposed to make someone decide God doesn't exist, it's supposed to make them question their own certainties about the nature of God and examine whether their sense of morality is actually based in faith or scripture, or if it's actually coming from somewhere else. Frankly I see it as a way to draw common ground.>secular humanist retard that cannot conceive of the existence of anything beyond yourself.Inevitably we're both the rubber and the glue here. All I can say is that I'm the one that doesn't believe in a cosmic being of conscious will, and you're the one that does. I think consciousness is an emergent accident of strictly material evolution on this one planet, and you think it's the defining characteristic of the underpinnings of reality. Please go ahead and make this somehow about my own hubris and projection, though I probably won't be around to respond, sorry.
>>17278292Yes, that would be more evidence in favor of the rain dance than you not being able to stop a bullet with your prayer.
>>17278334Yes it does because he pre-made it. Are you retarded?
>>17278428>be me>do rain dance>it doesn't rain>WTF
>>17278428lol corellatipn does not imply causation. Soience literally believes that raindances are real kek
>>17278218Controlling and or killing creatures that literally eat each other isn’t bad would you let tigers run free in human civilization
>>17278012Didn't they do the cancer thing and people praying died at higher rates?
>>17278178>Don't worry you dying a horrible death is all part of my plan>How lord?>Your children won't be religious and will go to hell but your son being an obnoxious atheist will make a random Christian more active and he will convert four people so net gain of one believer
>>17277063No it isn't, he has plenty more. But that iself is more than enough.>>17277067No arguments
>>17278218>1. Slavery and genocide are immoralAlready wrong on the first point. You can't establish this premise on an atheistic worldview. There is no good or evil according to atheism.
>>17278928>There is no good or evil according to atheism. Already wrong on the first point.
>>17277063God doesn't have a problem with enslaving non white people. That was the norm until a couple hundred years ago. Even popes, the clergy and the Vatican all had non white slaves until they decided non whites are people too.
>>17278953It's true, otherwise why do so many atheists disagree so much on morality?
>>17277063honestly I like him, he's not as smug as the richard dawkins type faggots where they barely even try to engage with the idea that god could be real
>>17278970Why do so many theists disagree so much on morality?
>>17278178>divine planIf everyone's lives are part of some plan then we don't actually have free will, God is the one who plans who lives and who dies and ultimately decides all of our fates, which means there is no argument against the problem of evil
>>17279192>whataboutismPathetic.
>>17279227If your evidence for atheism meaning there is no good or evil is that atheists disagree about morality, then there is no good or evil according to theism either because theists disagree about morality also.
>>17279208>be god the source of morality>allow an action to happen>silly humans call it evil because they don't like it
>>17279249>If your evidence for atheism meaning there is no good or evil is that atheists disagree about moralityAtheists disagreeing completely on morality is just a showcase to the fact that atheism has no morality.Even Alex O'Connor has conceed this point, which is why nowadays he just talks about emotionalism.
>>17279253>Atheists disagreeing completely on morality is just a showcase to the fact that atheism has no morality.Theists disagreeing completely on morality is just a showcase to the fact that theism has no morality.Theists can't even agree on whether good and evil exist either. A popular theist metaethical theory is that good and evil don't exist and we merely have to obey God's arbitrary commands.
>>17277063I like how even in this post you can't admit the Bible supports slavery, you have to soften it to "slavery existed in the Bible." That doesn't disprove God either, of course, but the fact that you're in denial about it is the reason people make YouTube videos about it.
>>17279271>TheistsNot every theist is the same, genius. You realize that the label "theist" applies to literally billions of people, right?
>>17277063Atheism was cool when I was like 16, then you get hit with life
>>17278012AI cannot generate this
>>17279391>Not every theist is the same, genius. You realize that the label "theist" applies to literally billions of people, right?Not every atheist is the same, genius. You realize that the label "atheist" applies to literally hundreds of millions of people, right?
>>17279493>Not every atheist is the same, genius.None of them can assert objective morality. Theists can, even if they disagree about it.
>>17279496I just asserted objective morality and I'm an atheist.
>>17279559I just fucked your mom.I asserted it, so it's true.
>>17279567Most logical theist rebuttal
>>17279573I'm just using your own retarded logic against you, anon.
>>17279673I used your own retarded logic against you. You seem confused by it.
>>17278531Yes, that would be evidence against a rain dance just like prayer not stopping a bullet is evidence against prayer>>17278724So even even if someone prayed and stopped a bullet, that wouldn't prove causation between prayer and stopping bullets.
>>17278415>Please go ahead and make this somehow about my own hubris and projectionYou're not even willing to engage with the nature of God as it is outlined in the bible. So yes, that's exactly what it is.This is essentially why religious debates with atheists are always fruitless. They anthropomorphize something which is definitionally unknowable by human minds, and then try to make a moral judgement according to secular humanism. It's like listening to retards talk about fish in the abstract, only to deny their existence outright because they cannot wrap their heads around the internal rationale of an animal that swims upstream to die when it could do literally anything else.I would gladly participate in a crusade if that meant purging the world of morons who are too proud to acknowledge the existence of anything other than themselves.
>>17277063He doesn't say that, you pathological liar.
>>17279771You're projecting your projecting. And you're quite rude.
>>17277063CosmicSeptic
>>17278762doubt it
>>17277257>>17277257>unfalsifiable and unprovable by design. So there's no reason to believe itthat's your criteria? so you don't believe in logic either since it's unfalsifiable and unprovable.
