My college professor said that in the ancient world, the concept of "an army of a country" was a very vague and anachronistic term, since according to her, nations practically used mercenaries and these mercenaries were from different places with ethnic origins. different. So for example, saying "Persian army" is a vague term because she said that the armies were composed of Elamites, Scythians, Parthians, etc., etc., the same in Greece, etc.that is true?
>>17277584For persia absolutely, it used Persians of course and Scythians were their cousins (akin to Germans having Swedish soldiers) but they drew their soldiers from across the empire and the Achaemenids frequently used Greek mercenaries, especially in the later periods as their domestic infantry declined.
Depend on place. It's definitely true for Persia. But even Greeks used mercenaries. There was an interesting article about ancient DNA from the Himera battle. The soldiers came from all over the place - local soldiers looked like Greeks (Mediterraneans), they were also buried with grave goods, non-local samples show populations from Balkans, Caucasus, Iron Age steppe (Sarmatian/Scythian-like) and Baltics (but that might be also Ukraine, they just look like Balts genetically).
>>17277584In the Greek poleis, every free man was required to fight in times of war, even though mercenaries were widely used, so yeah i think he's right in saying that they hadn't the same concept of army as we do, only the romans (as far as i know) had a proper permanent army, which makes sense if you think that the legionaries also worked as builders, firefighters, police, tax collectors and a bunch of other stuff
>>17277584Yes. The closest you got to non ethnically diverse armies were tribal armies. Even those often hired specialist mercenaries from other tribes.
>>17277584ask her if the same thing was happening in the royal scythian tribe, and report back, potential lulz to be had
>learn about Immortals of the Persian army in the 2000s>get some story about how it's because they got equipment when it broke>as if this was not normal>learn that Getae literally means "immortal">turns out it's an ethnic unitI grew up in the worst time to learn history.
>>17278373>>learn that Getae literally means "immortal"well isn't that what most Scythian tribes called themselves, a variation or composition of that word? Masagetae, sauromatae, etc.>I grew up in the worst time to learn history.just block jewish "comentary" and consume pure unalterated ancient text + archeology + genetics
>>17278378>just block jewish "comentary" and consume pure unalterated ancient text + archeology + geneticsYou're right. This is exactly how it happened the right way
I was always under the impression that an army back in the day was basically like a project at work.>The big boss wants something done>he gets his direct subordinates together>they get theirs together and so on and so on>until they get to you, small landowner with some peasants >you rally up some of the local boys and off you go So it makes sense there wasn’t a lot of uniformity
>>17278373The Getae were the Goths, literally.Almost as if the Middle East stopped being based when they ran out of Germanic warriors.But Ariology is a very difficult field that should be only stepped into by highly educated scholars.
>>17277805>>17277710>>17277666>>17277645Therefore, multiracialism is beneficial for the country and the worldleftists got it right
>>17278373>>17278381What is your point?>>17278391Aryology? What?
>>17278475> Aryology? What?Well there's a theory that the Roman Empire only survived so long because they had Germanic fighters in their ranks.Maybe the same can be said about ancient Middle East?
>>17277584That is a fallacious induction.
>>17278467You forgot how the arab soldiers enlisted in west asia changed allegiance as soon as mohammet popped outI think the Seljuk's also came about via literal white (persian) replacement
>>17277584Well it obviously depends on who. The Romans into the Late Republic used effectively only men from Central Italy which they conceived as being part of the 'Italian race'. They didn't need much more than that because they all practiced mass conscription. With the Empire this was extended outwards to making large auxiliary units which stopped being a thing by the end of the 3rd century where conscription (although far more limited than Republican conscription) was introduced and we are back with effectively only Romans joining the army with a portion of foreigners being allowed into the Empire for service which was attempted with the Visigoths but failed terribly.>>17278487The majority of the Roman army until the 450's was still conscripted from the Romans
>>17279862> The majority of the Roman army until the 450's was still conscripted from the RomansThe legions as core of the army were. But the Romans always drafted auxiliaries from allies and in the imperial era citizenship was expanded way over ethnic borders to all dwelling within the empire. and they still used auxiliaries and mercenaries. It is also a core element of empire: the dominant group conquers vasalls and uses the resources of the vasalls for further conquest while keeping enough of its own reliable forces to dwell insurrection.
>>17279838>white (persian) replacement lol
>>17279924>The legions as core of the army wereThat is either the entire army or most of it at any given time in Roman history. Even when they had a vast Empire in the Late Republic military conscription was focused almost completely in Central Italy instead of elsewhere. You end up with only a tiny proportion of men not actually belonging to Roman society and culture working alongside the army.>citizenship was expanded way over ethnic borders to all dwelling within the empire.And many of these different ethnicities ceased to exist by the Later Empire. They weren't enlisting vassals or foreigners. They were people that spoke Latin, followed Roman culture and had no identity other than being Roman. The only foreign element that lived in the Roman Empire that actively served in the army were the Isuarians
>>17279862Summarize it
>>17279862https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerus_BatavorumFrom as early as the 1st Century BC> they were RomanThey became Roman. The institution of the Medieval nobilities in Europe itself dates back to the Roman era. Some Germanic settlers asking for grants in the Roman Empire were arrogant enough to settle there as 'gentiles'.
>>17278467Sure, situationally. The Roman Empire at its height had more auxiliaries than citizens in its army.
>>17277584>according to her
>>17278475I remember reading Tarn's books on Alexander. He said the Darial pass in the Caucasus was Dariel and came from unusual Hebrew theophany. It turns out the name is actually Darial, and it means "Gate of the Aryans". I wonder who confused him? It would have taken a blatant lie.
>>17278381it's way easier with raw data and no jew trying to pilpul his way out of it
>>17278391>The Getae were the Goths, literally.>Getaemy intuition tells me these come from Scythia>but whyMasagetae, sauromatae, were 2 scythian tribes that I know of by name
>>17281303Of course they came from Scythia.Why do you think the Romans didn't come in contact with the Germanics before the 1st Century BC? They were still thriving in their ancient Scythian home. From there, they moved with their chariots to Eastern Europe, and from there they split once again, making the way just until Scandinavia.There, they became seafarers and re-discovered Europe mainland.Pushing further South, Ariovistus and his men encountered the Caesarian armies.After being asked, 'who are you', 'honourable men, warriors, champions of free birth', they naturally replied.The term Germanic is completely akin to Scythian and Aryan.The few actual Scythian Aryans who remained in old Scythia got overrun by the Mongol herds who came pushing from Siberia.This is also the opinion of Europeans, just until the 19th Century, that the white peoples originated in Asia. It's a fact so obvious it doesn't even need to be explained.Truly native to Europe are only the Finngolians and the Basques.
>>17281569>champions of free birththis is pretty radical if you think about it, because what is "unfree birth", imo it's merely "civilization" aka wageslaving>The few actual Scythian Aryans who remained in old Scythia got overrun by the Mongol herds who came pushing from Siberia.huns I assume?>This is also the opinion of Europeans, just until the 19th Century, that the white peoples originated in Asia. It's a fact so obvious it doesn't even need to be explained.well, yes, but the thing is this line goes back thousands of years all the way to siberia with Ancient North Eurasian, mammoth hunters in the ice.BTW! They just got a baby sabertooth mummy from the ice in siberiaand most of all, please give me texts, pretty much about everything you said>about ScythiansRead herodotus on the scythians you should be able to fish a pdf somewhere
>>17281777> huns I assume?Huns, Avars, Bulgarians, Bojars, Turks.Among them was a very particular and numerous branch of nations of a very pure essence, at least by the time they arrived in Europe. This important circumstance is guaranteed by the documents; I am talking about the Sarmatians. They descended, said the Greeks of Pontus, from an alliance between the Sakas and the Ama-zones, in other words, the mothers of the Aces or the Aryans (1). The Sarmatians, like all other peoples of the family, saw themselves as brothers in the most distant lands. More of their nations lived north of the Paropamise, while others, known to the geographers of the Celestial Empire as Suth, Suthle, Alasma and Jan-thsai, came, in the 2nd century BC, to occupy some of the Eastern cantons of the Caspian Sea (2). The Iranians competed many times with these swarms of...411 .... warriors, and the excessive fear they had of their opinionated martiality had perpetuated itself in their Bactrian and Sogdian traditions. It is from their that Firdousi made them pass into his poem (1'). Asia, Asia, is the land of the Aryans. Sak or hak means to honor.Lassen et Westergaard, p. 25.- Ket means in modern Persian voice honorable.(1) The word mother is, in Sanscrit, amaba. This is a shorter dialectical form.(2) T. II, p. 330(1') The three sons of of Feridounn are Iredj, Tour and Khawer. These are personifications of the three white branches of Persia, of the Iran, properly said, then of interior Asia, then of the Western regions of the world. The parenthood within the groups is thus rigorously recognized. One will not lack to find in the term Khawer a completely natural transcription of the term Yavana. This is another testimony of the antiquity of the terms used by Firdousi. - See t, II, pgs. 168, note. - Schaffarik, Slawisch. Alterth., t. I, p. 350-351.https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b86267167
>>17281862>They descended, said the Greeks of Pontus, from an alliance between the Sakas and the Ama-zonesSauromataet. Herodotus told me
>>17281862my brub brub, can you give me a non french source, is that possible? I wasn't asking for the extracts but for the source of them, the books
>>17281929>>17281938I gave you the book. Maybe you are able to find the English translation? Because I didn't. Forced me to learn French kek
>>17281952>Forced me to learn French kekhitlerious, ok I might manage to do something with it
>>17281962>>17281952AND! thanks a lot!
