Exactly what laws are Christians supposed to follow? Jesus made it seem like it's more of a "spirit of the law" thing than actually following things to the letter. Are the Old Laws applicable to them?
>>17277875We do as Jesus did.
If you looked at Christ's actions, what he said, and the people he kept company (the disabled, the whores, the sinners, the meek, the mournful) you would know his message, but only if you look within. Are you exhibiting Christ consciousness in your life and loving all things, even your enemy?
>>17277875>Exactly what laws are Christians supposed to follow? The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”>Are the Old Laws applicable to them?All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
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>>17277875It's pretty obvious if you just read the Gospels. How many situations do you come across in daily life where the meaning of love your neighbor as yourself is unclear? It's possible to invent such situations if you intellectualize this enough but you can do the exact same to paint any legal code as insufficient. Why do you think Jews are still finding and exploiting loopholes in their law?
>>17277875>Exactly what laws are Christians supposed to follow?You mean from the Bible?The most direct answer is to follow the greatest commandment, which is to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy strength, with all thy mind. Keeping that means everything else will follow. Looking at it from another perspective, one part of the laws of the Old Testament applied in one particular way to those who were under the Mosaic law in the BC era and living specifically in Israel, namely the ceremonial laws that have to do with the temple, animal sacrifices, dietary laws and sabbath days. That was a specific set of instructions that applied to only one people group, and for a fixed time frame that ended 2000 years ago. That part of the Law is fulfilled through Christ now, according to the New Testament. The civil law part of the Old Testament is a good idea for a country to follow. For example, having the death penalty for sodomites who are convicted and found guilty in a court of law would cause any nation to prosper, since God would bless them for following that law as a nation. And the moral law, which is where God prescribes how individuals are to behave, is always applicable. "Thou shalt not kill" applied even before Moses and it still applies now. Through the various teachings throughout the Bible, Christians can see examples of the moral law, and this includes the Ten Commandments. Of course, everything in the New Testament applies to God's people (the Christians) now. That would be how I would explain this if I had to start somewhere.
>>17279904>fulfilled through ChristJust because a missionary named Paul discarded the inconvenient parts to appeal to Greeks and Romans doesn't mean Not A Single Jot didn't happen.
>>17277875The bible is divided into two major sections, the old testament and the new testament.The old testament relates to the old law; salvation for the Israelites based on the law of Moses. Practicing the law upholds the contract between God and Man.The new testament relates to the new law. It fulfills the contract established by the old law by using the actual son of God as the final blood sacrifice. A new covenant was formed from then on, establishing the people of Israel as being spiritual rather than ethnic, and dictating that mankind follow Christ's commandments.
>>17279671What about >>17279911
>>17279911Read the prior verse> Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfillThe law was a covenant - a contract. What do you think happens to a contract when it is fulfilled?
>>17280123Nta but this doesn't make sense, the requirements for the Mosaic contract was >Cut off your foreskin>Follow the ten commandmentsIf you did these things, the contract was fulfilled.
>>17280123Right, the whole point is that the intended subject for those ceremonial rules was originally intended to be Christ, and they were set up for Him to fulfill. Nobody else could live up to them entirely. For a long time, one particular nation (which is also where the Savior came from) was set up to emulate those things as a kind of type of what Christ would do. The attempt of fallible humans to fulfill those laws, yet being subject to sin and unable to accomplish them, was a shadow of things to come and was intended that way. Those ceremonies and rituals were typological and analogical to what Christ actually does.Like it says in Colossians:"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."- Colossians 2:16-17"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"- Hebrews 9:24
>>17277875Christianity is intentionally confusing about the Law. The answer is this: Jesus said to keep the Law, Paul said you didn't have to.
>>17280129It's really not confusing to those who get it, though. It's only confusing to those who can only think with their natural minds and are limited from true understanding that comes from God. See 1 Cor. 2:13-14. Also see John 12:39-40, Acts 28:27, 2 Thess. 2:10-11, etc.>Jesus said to keep the Law, Paul said you didn't have to.According to Luke who wrote the book of Acts, Paul is a saved man who spoke by inspiration from the Lord Jehovah. The weak link here, I have to say, is simply your own reasoning, anon. The Gospels and Paul don't contradict.
>>17280142Just shut the fuck up.
>>17277875well you cant follow the original rules.they were smashed when everyone laughed at them and told moses to fuck off.then infallable god gave moses the updated commandments that people found acceptablebig red flag for it being made-up shit by a manipulative sociopath
>>17280090Paul was correct. Paul is the one appostle which causes the jews to seethe the most, almost more than Jesus causes them to seethe, because he made changing christianity fully into noahidism impossible. Of course they have mostly succeeded anyways, getting christians to believe they aren't the chosen people, the body of God upon the earth, but the jews still would like to see the parts of the bible standing in their way removed.
>>17277875>Exactly what laws are Christians supposed to follow?It doesn't matter, no amount of rule-following will gain you salvation.
>>17280311>then infallable god gave moses the updated commandmentsNope. That's yet another unsubstantiated lie, anon. According to the Bible they were the same commandments."And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest."- Exodus 34:1
>>17280893so why break them?takes a lot of effort to break a slab
>>17280354>appostlelol @ this ESL again
>>17277875All of them and I'm not just talking about the ten commandments.
>>17280123It is "fulfilled" as in, like prophecy. The context is that Christians believed the Law and the Prophets ("Law" was how they referred to Torah, see John 10:34; and might even mean Tanakh, see 15:25 where even a Psalm is the "Law") could be "fulfilled" as prophecy (c.f. the notion of "types") by vaguely corresponding to biographical details of Jesus ("antitypes").An example of this is the famous Matthew 1:22-23:>All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: “Look, the virgin shall become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel,” which means, “God is with us.”A much more explicit example of the same language referring to, basically, so-called "typology" is in Matthew 11:13:>For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John cameJesus fulfills the "Law" the same way he fulfills the "Prophets". So the meaning of Mt. 5:17 is not, "do not think I have come to abolish the Law and tell you not to hearken to the prophets, I have come to constructively abolish the Law by abrogating it as a covenant fulfilled"; the meaning is, "so not think I have come to abolish the Tanakh; the Tanakh foretold of me." But, this should have been obvious from the next couple of verses...Do you realize you are literally right now teaching that many of the commandments of the Law have been annulled by Jesus and we can break them with impunity? Are you not even a little concerned by how much 5:19 sounds like it's talking about you?
>>17280987According to Exodus, Moses threw down the first two tables when he saw them worshipping the golden calf. If the tables were dropped from a high height, they might break fairly easily I think.
