Ruthless, crook, smelly, trashy, oafish, miserable, sinister, evilish, ignorant, larper, inbreed, blustering, hoostler, islamic, degenerated, ominous, cruel, sick, ill, barbarical, tyrannical, genocidal, boorish, grim, swindler, etc etc etc and I still lack thousands of words that I don't know from the grammar of this heretical language that I don't know to a large extent to describe what it feels like to read the history of the Ottoman Empire. The worse the armenian, greek and assyrian genocide chapter and the sexual violence against innocent peasant women in Balkans. And other things they did that would make Hitler and Stalin look like angels.If an empire must be remembered as a chapter of what Islam have to offer. These were Ottomans.Maybe, just maybe, ISIS was at their level. *spit*
>>17279551Imagine how amazing human society would be if they had conquered Europe...
>>17279551Some catholic empires were worse
>>17279557You can take a trip to Afhganistan and take a look yourself.I guess all science, bibles and philosophy books would had been burned and banned, cities plundered, civilians exterminated and forced to convert or pay a tax as third class citizens in exchange of not being brutalized, their sons and daughters taken away from them as slaves, inbreeding would had been pushed as the standard ideal, slavery would be legal, as well to poo and pee in streets, also pedos would be free to do as they want following the prophet of arabs ideals, etc.
>You can take a trip to Afhganistan and take a look yourselfAt least we wouldn't have Putin destroying everything with his nukes
>>17279575That's actually amazing.
>>17279551ok Goran, make sure to read Koran I srpski otherwise I'll make you watch while I cum balls deep in yuor wife hauhauahuahüa!
>>17279575You mean the country that rid itself of the vile and corrupt nature of the west and is blossoming as a result?
>>17279648>>17279666>>17279668Seething roaches
>>17280771>Seething roach-ACK
>>17280976>5.000 christians from 20 nations vs 1.000.000 ottoroachesWOW!, what a victory roachnon!!! Overwhelm the enemy by vast numerical superiority!! Who wouldn't think of it?Imagine being so brainlet to celebrate victories in which your side is vastly superior at number, only ottoroaches
>>17280988A small anatolian beylik was able to amass 1 gorrillion troops but the entirety of europe couldn't be able to muster more than a few thousand, sounds about right
>>17281000Ottoroaches only victories were againsts enemies vastly outnumbered (fall of Constantinople, Balkans Slav tribes, Arab tribes, etc). The only times they fought enemies with armies not even equaling them at number (Ottomans still were your classical oriental/muslim power with millions of slaves to send into battlefield) at all but getting more closer, they totally got buckbroken by europeans.
>>17281007Euroaches obviously lied about the numbers to save face. Typical cumskins
>>17281021Ottoroaches chroniclers themselves boasted about their vastly numerical superirity when fighting defenseless balkan tribes.Russians were the only Europeans alongside French that had the numbers to RECKT ottoroaches hairy arabical asses, and the Lord know how buckbroken Ottoroaches ended up after Russians ended with them' by also sending massive asiatic human waves to reckt roach arab hordesNot even Holy League and Poles left the roach pride more buckbroken than Russians did by resorting to typical Roach/Muslim tactic, vastly numerical superiority.
>>17281031>muh russoids stronkLMAO all their victories happened when the ottomans were either simultaneously fighting the rest of europe too or when fighting all of europe+persia was taking its toll and the empire was in a state of irreversible decline. When the ottomans were at their peak russia was a vassal of crimea which itself was a vassal of the ottoman empire, thats how irrelevant they were
>>17281045>fighting the rest of europe>the rest of Europe: some rebel slavic tribes in Balkans or some peasant guerrillas angry at ottomans treating them as animalsTruly delusional my ottoroach anon, Russians raped your caliphate to death so hard during XVIII and XIX centuries that you did need to beg REAL europeans (British empire, French, Germans) for protection as some short of British colony.Once you were not able to outnunber others, your empire collapsed as a house of cards, even Napoleon did as ge wanted in Egypt despite France was at the other corner of the Mediterranean sea
>>17281076The only one coping here is you as the euRATS needed to form large coalitions to fend off the ottoman threat for centuries.
>The Ottoman official Mehmet Cemaleddin Efendi was offered male prostitutes while on his stay in Paris between 1903 and 1906 by his hosts, who thought that being Turkish, he would be interested.kek
>>17281114Yeah, when real euros started to play you totally got BUCKBROKEN. By that time resorting to brutality and numerical superiority only worked against the tiny backward Balkan tribes your military historians boast so much.Not even outnumbering Austrians worked anymore due new technologies and war tactics spreading from England and France. Neither against Russians who got the high numbers too play your game.
>>17281176>the entire continent teaming up to take down a single state >this is supposed to be an impressive featAnd this really only worked in the late 17-18th century, before that ottomans didn't have any issue raping all of europe at once
>>17281204>the entire continent>just austrians kicking for eight time that year the 1.000.000 mahommedan jihad army ottoroaches sent to annoy themThe only big euro nation interested at taking roaches down was Russia (by default quite backward compared to Western Europe) and oh Lord we all know how they made Ottoroaches their sluts (while also conquered Siberia and kicked Swedes out of their borders).The rest of Euros were:French and British fighting for supremacy in Europe, America and Asia while colonizing India and Africa.Swedes focused in their Baltic empireIberians focused in their new worlder and italian territories or slave trading.Prussians expanding at the expense of Austrians.Italian and German cities-state and principalities doing nothing but arts and science since they were too tiny and weak to be something else.Deal with it roach. The only time ream euros fought you, your jihadists were slayed by dozens.
>>17281227>The only big euro nation interested at taking roaches downEvery big euro country was interested in doing because the ottomans had made them all their bitches, retard. That is why they always launched coordinated campaigns. Ottomans made a fortune enslaving europeans by the millions raiding territory from the West, East and South and cucking europeans out of major trade routes. But keep coping and seething
>>17281204Ottomans were getting crushed in the 15th century already like War of the Hungarian Succession where destroying the Ottomans was a side quest to greater European wars.
>>17281250>Ottomans made a fortune enslaving europeans by the millionsMeanwhile in reality the Ottotranny Empire was an impoverished shithole by the 17th century as Europeans were making a fortune founding colonies and trading with the entire world, simply sailing around the muslim turd empires.
>/int/ with datesThis place is such a cesspool
>>17281298minor skirmish>>17281299Europe just got lucky by finding a new continent by mistake, otherwise you would just continue living in dirt and poverty
>>17281327Like you do now?
>>17281250>Every big euro country was interested in doingShure, that explains why your empire was saved several times by British and French and Germans from being conquered bt other Europeans, the more shameful case Crimean war
>>17279668Afghanistan is a shithole dude. Why would you even pretend otherwise
>>17281329No i get state benefits for impregnating white women with strong turkish sperm. Thanks for paying taxes, cuck
>>17281339euros finally getting revenge on their rapist doesn't undo the rape
>>17281349Yeah sure you do. The Turks didnt enter Vienna as conquerors, but as gypsies.
>>17281349>proud of being an underclass diasporanAtaturk would be ashamed of you
>>17281299The Ottomans were always shit. In 1500 before the Age of Discovery really kicked off European countries were almost twice as rich per capita as any other place on Earth and more technologically advanced. A single county like Wallachia was able to beat Ottoman horde armies with ease.They indeed did not care much about less powers outside of Europe. Every time the HRE considered campaigning againdt the Ottoman hordes, France would immediately attack and try to annex its Western border.Western Europe just did not care about Eastern Europe. They figured out in Latin Empire period already that the people there were fundamentally dysfunctional.
Why are turks so insecure?
>>17281349Cope. We all know in reality you are working your ass off to pay for the 5 million Syrians Erdo imported to rape your gf.
>>17281366kek, dont forget the 50% annual inflation rate. Might actually go there and fuck some desperate Turkish girls.Bet they wish they deposed Erdoroach in 2016 rn
>>17281362>In 1500 before the Age of Discovery really kicked off European countries were almost twice as rich per capita as any other place on Earth and more technologically advanced.Euroach fiction
Reminder that Muhammad Ali Pasha nearly killed The Ottomans effortlessly and The Great SHITstain literally needed to interfere to save them
>>17281382Nope it's true.The world economies have always been stable on relative terms even since the EBA. The only difference between 1500 and 2015 is that the Americas are now big economies too (thanks to Euro blood).
>>17281394>Nigeria>India>China My nigga this map has nothing to do with how advanced societies were, just resources
>>17281388Euros finally getting revenge on their rapist doesn't undo the rape
>>17281394Fake map. Malian kings could buy every European if they wanted in 1500.
>>17281394Why did europeans need to gang up on Ottoman bvlls to even stand a chance if they were so rich and advanced? So called great divergence only happened in the 17-18th century
>>17281409Then why did they live in mutthuts?
Just a reminder to the turks:You underwent a great increase in wealth and culture in the 100 years of secularization under Ataturk than you did under the entire history of the Seljuk or Ottoman empires.If you fall back into Islam your people are doomed. There's no future in that religion for any group of people cursed to follow it.
>>17281403You're looking at the total GDP data instead of the per capita GDP data. Europe has always been economically more developed and advanced, including in the middle age. Besides economic data there are other measures, for example, after Charlemagne the labour automatisation and manufacturing as measured by the number of mills was at higher density in Europe than anywhere else on Earth. The production rate of unique literature at universities were also higher than anywhere else on Earth throughout the medieval period.
>>17281414>Ataturk He actually killed Actual Turkish culture and then his followers acted suprised when Wahhabism replaced the Sufism that he destroyed
>>17281414Why are Euros so obsessed with Ataroach? Literary just another despot like the Sultans before him.
>>17281409There is no actual record of how much money Mansu Musa actually had. This myth is rooted in the misconception that all of Egypt suffered inflation from him handing out gold when it was actually just one small city.These kind of problems occured regularly in other poor regions.
>>17281420>>17281425I'm just telling you what will happen to you. You don't need to listen, but your people will be exterminated if you don't heed the warning There's no future for Muslims on this earth. You don't understand what's coming from the West
>>17281414>>17281435>turn on tv to watch european news>daily stabbings/murders/rapes/burglaries committed by African and Muslim BVLLS and immigration only increasingWe won. The Ottomans won at Vienna
>>17281461The game hasn't even started
>>17281462You lost before even getting a chance to clap back, timmy.
>>17281484America is literally putting hundreds of billions of dollars into the construction of an artifical intelligence specifically designed to exterminate Muslims.Your God isn't real and won't be able to stop it
>>17281490Did the voice in the radio tell you that?
>>17281490China is doing the same thing as is IndiaThere's no place to go
>>17281490Too late, America is already minority white
>>17281493No, I work for a company that's doing itKeep denying reality until its too late. Makes no difference to me.
>>17281493He's right. Muslim arrogance is something else.You are a poor, violent, sub-90 IQ group of nations which can't even handle a few Jews and you really think that being related migrant ghetto labour is some kind one up? No, there are many intelligence apparatus, drones, bioweapons etc. that the US, NATO and Israel already developed specifically for your race.All that they are really waiting for right now is for you to keep demonising yourselves so that it becomes palatable to Western citizenry to genocide you.
>>17281496Sure, but despite the propoganda China is decades behind.Remember how the Chinese grifters on twitter kept insisting they were "the world leader in AI" and then LLMs came out? Lmao.
>>172815202 more weeks
>>17281528No, my point is that the United States, Europe, China, AND India are all enganged in the construction of an AI specifically to destroy Islam and the Muslim world. Even if they aren't all on the same side, they all agree islam must be exterminated There is no future for Islam on this earth, and muhammad wasn't a prophet so crying out for help from Allah won't save the Muslims.
>>17281499The most zionist groups in the US are not whites precisely... whites tend to left wing progressivism... you know what I mean? All these evangelicals which CIA, Mossad and MI6 planted in Africa, Latin America and the slums of the United States (that today vote Trump) have expanded like oil at the expense of the Church and Lutheran-Calvinist congregations in each region... even in Europe the main form of Christianity is starting to be Evangelicalism only...Hard times are coming after you muzzoids
>>17281541Centuries of schemes and betrayal and look where it got the perfidious albion
>>17281541Most of those migrants aren't Muslims. It's a weird cope that every flavour if migrant ghetto trash thinks they're the ones getting ahead. Migrants from hundreds of different countries have nothing in common except for being labour drones that sold out their previous identity and culture for money.The only reason there are Muslims in Europe is because HAIS (controlled by Israel) imports lots of violent Muslims on purpose in order to turn the public perception of European Christians against Muslims. Muslims of course are too stupid to realise how they're being played.
>>17281543You are right that India and China also wants to wipe out Muslims (hell, even Christian Africa wants to wipe them out), they're not going to help unless they get some major concessions like Taiwan, oil. Huge landmass added to India (Pakistan rightly belongs to them anyway) etc.
>>17281499Yeah? So? Replaced by even more hard core Trump voting Christian Latinos.Latino men overwhelmingly voted Trump in the last election.
>>17281544>whites tend to left wing progressivism..Most whitoids are actually conservative, its a good thing your opinion isn't taken into consideration at all and you get played by both parties
>>17281544Most whites are right wing and most young white men are far-right and anti-zionist. Being pro-Israel is mostly a dying boomer thing.Not being pro-Israel doesn't make young people pro-Muslim however, quite the opposite.
As I said in my first post, you turks don't even need to be Muslim. You can drop the LARP and your people will be happier for it and you won't need to be targetedYou're not Arabs and you're not Muslims. Go back to worshipping eternal heaven Tengri, Umay, Eje, etc and you'll be more spiritually fulfilled anyway.
>>17281589I think most young Turkish men want to do this. The problem is Erdo's boomer+Kurd vote is now getting supplenented with 5 million retarded Syrians who lost the war against Assad.Turkey is the most depressing victim of globalism.
>>17281589Why should i take advice from a people in the brink of extinction though? I'd rather be muslim than die out like wypipo
>>17281600We need to help them. Islam is disgusting and the Turks don't deserve to be dragged back into it after a hundred years of evolving out of it
>>17281604There are over a billion white people and we aren't going anywhere. Even in the most extreme figures there will be a billion white people by 2100, and that's not factoring in the exponential increase in power that's coming in the next few years.Pull your head out of your ass and think in terms of reality and not dumb anti western memes. The West is not dying buddy as much as you wish it were.
>>17281604NTA and not giving advice, but Muslim is an Arab supremacist religion. Turks can cope all they want, but being Arabisized means the death of the Turkish people.Turkey is in any case aligned with NATO and not the Arab world in practice.The internet delusions about this pan islamic worldview is why shitskins were confused that Saudi Arabia and Jordan destroyed Iranian rockects to help Jews genocide Palestinian Muslims.The ummah only exists for Gulf Arabs.
>>17281615There are not over a billion whites lol. Europe makes up less than 10% of global births and a good portion of those births arent white either. Most of europe is 1-2 generations away from being minorities in their own countries
>>17281623I don't really care i just hate the west, me being muslim or not won't automatically stop making me your enemy
>>17281631There's about a billion whites around the world >>17281638>I just hate the westWhy
>>17281615It's really funny that the people who fall for alarmist grifter agitprop the most are not white people who the propoganda is aimed at, but thirdies who can't think for themselves and thinks some Malaysian guy on twitter is showing the reality in the West.
>>17281638I'm not Western though.
>>17281642Yeah now that i checked its actually more bleak. Europe makes up only 5.2% of global births and who knows how many of those are actually not even white
>>17281609If by help them you mean permanently end their misery then I am all for it.
>>17281631There are a billion whites.>>17281631>Most of europe is 1-2 generations away from being minorities in their own countriesThat's not true. Such misconceptions stem from people misreading data. In most Euro countries the most common immigrant is from other European countries. The natives of the country could become minorities, but there is no risk of whites becoming minorities.In general the only people who are breeding faster than whites (especially religious whites like mormons and catholics) are Christian Africans.
>>17281669You're an idiot
>>17281669NTA, but pipulation =/= power. For countries like Nigeria, Indonesia etc. with a huge low IQ population it's mostly a burden not a benefit.If it was true that population = power then Nigeria should already be a superpower on par with the USA.
>>17281669China and India both have declining populations. These total birth rates are not really saying much with respect to actual projections of relative decline or increase.
>>17281648Why do you hate the west
The turk here is a Pakistani pretending to be a turk which is why he's defending Islam.Young Turks hate islam and would not argue against what I'm saying
>>17281707I don't.
>>17281699During the colonial era at its peak, Europe had around 1/4th of the world's population. So a large population doesn't just correlate with a larger economy, but also its necessary as a defense mechanism. This why even if whites ever did shit they would still lose
>>17281716>Young Turks...murder Christian Armenian and Christian civilians All Turks must die
>>17281674No, I mean stopping their islamification which they've shaken off in the past century.I have nothing against turks at all. I'm not a low IQ racist retard. My IQ is too high to be racist. I simply despise Islam and desire a complete extermination of all Muslims regardless of race. I don't have anyone simply for being a certain ethnic group or race.
>>17281738> I'm not a low IQ racist retard. My IQ is too high to be racist.Cool, they hate you and want you dead btw
>>17281734I meant young turks as in Turkish youth.I don't give a fuck about Christians.My hatred for Islam is only slightly greater than my hatred for jews which is only slightly greater than my hatred for Christians. All abrahamic scum will be eliminated.
>>17281750They don't have the power so I don't give a shit.
>>17281752>I meant young turks as in Turkish youth.I am aware and I used the homonym to point out even "secular" and "progressive" Turks are nothing but mass murdering savages. >My hatred for Islam is only slightly greater than my hatred for jews which is only slightly greater than my hatred for Christians. And the Jew reveals itself.
>>17281764I'm not a Jew, you fucking idiot.
>>17281755Muslims also dont have the power to make you a Dhimmi or forcefully convert you yet you are seething>pls pls goy dont be racist, its just Islam! Nevermind that particular ethnic groups exclusively follow Islam.
>>17281731Europe has always 6-10% of the world population:>When Hallstatt first produced steel at a large scale it was 8%.>When Alexander the Great defeated Persia it was 6%.>When the Romans burned Carthage, conquered the mediteranean and defeated the Hunnic hordes it was 8%.>When the Franks defeated the Muslim hordes it was 8%.>When Europe destroyed the Mongol hordes, after China and Baghdad fell to them, it was 8%.>At the very cusp of the Age of Discovery, the Rennaissance and Europe's ascendency to modernism in 1500 it was 7% due to still recovering from the black death.>After conquering the Americas with a few thousand soldiers it was still 8%.>When the Habsburgers defeated the Ottomans it was 8%The period you are speaking of, is just the effect of the industrial revolution happening in Europe first. After the land capacity readjusted for the available technology and resources it tapered off. The same effect happened in the rest of the world too, it boomed due to Western tech sharing, then declined. The TFR everywhere including Islamic countries is actually declining much faster than it did in the West, soon it will be lower than the West and they will face a much worse demographic crisis than the West, just with less money available to deal with.The West will still be 8% if Earth when it colonises Mars and builds the first interstellar empire.
>>17281738>My IQ is too high to be racistMidwit peak take. Both low IQ and high IQs are racists. You are just above average IQ, not high IQ.
>>17281768Then stop kvetching
>>17281769I desire a complete eradication of all the abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all must be wiped off the face of the earth. Monotheism is a disease that will be cured in the coming years>>17281782They aren't >>17281788I'm not, dog.
>>17281778>The West will still be 8% if Earth when it colonises Mars and builds the first interstellar empire.Might be if it somehow still manages to exist in the near future, it's just that that 8% will be brown.
>>17281803There aren't that many browns coming into the West.Maybe in UK there is.
>>17281362Ottoman is 3rd largest economy after china and India. In pre industrial time. Even with peak pre industrial society of Europe in Spain still can't match India,china and ottoman. Europe only has edge over rest of the world only when industrial revolution came. Imagine the Europe can't even best uuga buga African in pre modern time. Thats why they have to trade slave with African kingdom instead of outright conquer them for slaves.
>>17281817For the west to maintain its status it will need to gradually absorb an ever increasing amount of non-whites from developing countries
>>17281838>OttomansHoly cope lmao >IndiaDidnt exist, it was dozens of warring kingdoms like Europe>ChinaYeah the Ming and Qing were hardcore, didnt do them any good though
>>17281838No it wasn't, see the paper in the data source from >>17281394. Europe was always richer. It might be true that the Ottomans at some point had more total collective GDP than a single European country, but not all of Europe combined at any point in time.>AfricaEurope had no interest in conquering Africa because they allowed Christian missionaries to operate and therefore there was no interest in removing their autonomy or developing them in general. Most of the world was empty at this point and Europeans prefered to develop in the new world which had a much richer climate and natural resources. Even after the late 19th century scramble for Africa period there was no real interest, except for using African colonies as a show piece to dunk on other European powers by claiming to have uplifted the Africans better. You should know, we did the same thing to MENA colonies uplifting the shitholes full of savages that the Ottomans had neglected.
>>17281490Why are righties so schizo?
>>17281872I'm not right wingYou aren't paying attention to what's happening
>>17281434Nah, African state is rich cause of gold and salt trade. It fell when it resources dried up. Europe rely on new world gold than African gold is reason it decline too. So when African kingdom salt and gold trade fell. They have to rely on new trade that is slave trade. Yes it not all European fault. African kingdom also has to be blame for its decline. You rely on slave trade mean African kingdom has to warring each other eternally. Just to captured slaves to be sell to European. This is very chaotic and unstable cause African kingdom revolve all their economy upon slave economy. When slavery is abolished. It effect African kingdom more. Cause slave trade is gone. Their state then depend of slave trade automatically fell. Thus weakening African to be colonized later on. African kingdom fault they got scammed by European in trans Atlantic slave trade. The one that benefit is European while African need to supply the slaves to European by eternal warfare. Which is not good in long term.
>>17281840That's not true, this is outdated 2010s propoganda. It has now been shown that third world migrants are a major net loss to the economy and the treasury. This is why Trump won and is going to use the military to deport illegals. Europe is always just 5 years behind American politics.What is true is that the GDP could lower with declining population. But this assumes precisely zero further breakthroughs in AI labour automisation, emerging market technologies etc. In reality the West's TFR is set to recover naturally as boomers die off and more housing becomes available for young people.The reality is that the only viable challenger to Western power is China. And China has a TFR that is literally half of Western countries so any cope argument you can make about Western birth rates also applies to its only viable competitor.
In the past Iraq Syria and Egypt were powerful nations due to the very strongest tribes nearby fighting over control of most Fertile land available leading to developments in Iraq and Egypt and Lebanon and later Greece and PersiaIn a way they led to their own downfall due to Their Advancements eventually reaching Europeans who went from tribes fucking around fertile lands much Like Indians and Nigerians to becoming An overpowered version of Babylon and Egypt
>>17281872He's not wrong though.>>17281878This is some old take from 1950s anti-imperialist propoganda drummed up by soviets.Europe at that point had already dug out more gold on its soil than all of Africa ever did throughout it's entire history. There is very little gold in Africa.Minerals were also never a large part of any European economy (which was mostly agriculture, forestry and manufacturing). Slavery was never a big part of any colonial economy either. In the USA at its peak slavery only contributed something like 7% of the GDP of the country.Gold snd slaves were simply never that important to anything. If it didn't exist history would be unchanged.
>>17281881Legal immigration is still immigration. And the majority of immigrants coming in are legal not illegal.
>>17281899>Agriculture I always wondered, how come Arabs had a lot of Chinese and Indian Fruits and Vegetables but Europeans didn't when Europeans soil is more Arable
>>17281904Most of them aren't immigrants, they're expats.Most Chinese immigrants just come for 3 years to gain experience (and steal technology) before going home.
>>17281889that's not an accurate map, also being situated on agriculturally productive land does not mean you have genetically higher IQ
>>17281905European soil is more arable because Europeans made it so, not because the natural climate is good for farming.I think you don't understand maps like the one that was just posted ITT. Soil becomes more productive when you treat it well: fertilisers, regular tilling, salinity balance (avoid desertification, something most bronze age civs failed at), crop rotation, tree lines to avoid topsoil erosion, water management etc. and in modern times add modern agricultural machinery, artificial intelligence assisted weed control etc. Soil in Europe hasn't been natural since the early bronze age.The best place for farming on Earth is Kenya and other equatorial countries. You can literally grow crops all year round and there's no risk of crop failure due to frost or lack of sunlight.A good example is Indonesia. It's really, really hard to fuck up rice farming in Indonesia, but they still fail in some places due to poor agricultural practices of subsistence farmers.
>>17281899European is poor in middle age cause of feudalism. Imperial system is way better than feudalism in economics. That is fact. All of Europe economy is localized until crusade happened which traded east and west. African kingdoms has monopoly on gold and salt. Traded with all Muslim world. Their system also imperial system which make trade efficient and not restricted by local lord in Europe. The world merchant is in middle east. Middle east is the center of trade between east and west at the time. African took advantage by aligning their trans Saharan trade to middle east. Game changer came when Europe cut off middle east and African trade route by circling African and trade with new world. Also europe abandoned feudalism in favor of imperial system. Thus make trade more efficient without patchland if thousand of local lord with their own localized economy isolated from each other. Then African has to rely on slave trade thus weakening them in long term.
>>17281927I already said Nigeria India and Pre Charlemagne Europe were basically retarded tribes fucking around >>17281934I am talking in comparison to MENA where no amount of technology could make Saudi Arabia a Breadbasket for Example
>>17281943Europe was the richest place on Earth in the middle ages per capita.See >>17281394.The reason for this is that it had the highest amount of labour automisation (mills for production of steel, grain, textiles etc.) and a very well developed trade network (mostly trading with other Europeans) with the only ships resistant listing and therefore reliable in deep ocean waters. Yes it also had silver and gold mines, but this is always a small part of any economy as I said.>All of Europe economy is localizedNot true at all.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Roadhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League>>>Game changer came when Europe cut off middle east and African trade route by circling African and trade with new world.I forgive uou for believing this, but the spice trade was never very big relative to, say, textiles.>Also europe abandoned feudalism in favor of imperial systemThis sentence doesn't make any sense. Imperialism is a form of feudalism.>African kingdoms has monopoly on gold and salt.Where did you get this idea man? Western Africa in particular produced less than 0.1% of all the planets goldThe biggest gold producer on Earth is China. Followed by Russia, Australia, Canada, USA and then Mexico.The Mali and early Songhai empire did have some gold, yes, but it was never a lot relative to the rest of the planet.
>>17281954>Pre Charlemagne Europe were basically retarded tribes fucking aroundThis is a misconception. European agriculture peaked in the EBA. The later forests were managed forests.Even neolithic Europe post LGM was basically a huge swath of homesteads. Not tribal hunter-gatherers. This changed due to the Steppe introduction of pastorialism.
>>17281954>I am talking in comparison to MENA where no amount of technology could make Saudi Arabia a Breadbasket for ExampleYou absolute can turn Saudi Arabia into a breadbasket and they're doing just that with their oil money.Why do you believe otherwise? Climate is more local than global. Rainfall patterns can be changed by increasing the amount of forests in an area this has been proven multiple times (just check out any greenhouse).
>>17281987You retarded bunch. Hanseatic league only happens after crusade. Before crusade. European economies is shit that is fact bro. Crusade bring In new trade routes. Which make Italian city state rich to then fund reinassance. Crusade is the start of European slow rise to power but before that they just shit. They don't really do trade cause feudalism is not about trade in the first place. Once you find why feudalism suck then then you know why European is in dark age for such a long time. European king is too weak to do anything. They are basically useless. Hair a figurehead. Nothing more unlike imperial system. Local lord is the one that benefit the mosr and in england alone there is 1000 lord which mean there a lot of localized economy that isolated from each other
>>17282014ESL gibberish
>>17282014>European economies is shit that is fact bro.In the year 700 Europe had the largest proven concentration of industry (mills) on the planet.>Crusade is the start of European slow rise to power but before that they just shit.Before that they were building the tallest buildings on Earth, the first true university,...before that was the Roman Empire which even more powerful. Before that was Alexander's Empire...before that Aryan charioteers conquered the steppe and India.See the point? There was never a point in time when Europe wasn't powerful.>They don't really do trade cause feudalism is not about trade in the first place.What the fuck? Where do you get this idea? Trade was very active during feudalism. We already established Hansa ITT already, but the inland markets in Leipzig, Nuremburg etc. were the busiest in the world. Trade by Vikings, which is overrated and meme'd a lot, also demonstrates just how extensive these river network trades were going all the way from Scandinavia to Iran BEFORE the first crusade.>European king is too weak to do anything. They are basically useless. Hair a figurehead. Nothing more unlike imperial system.You are very confused. Europe has always had an Imperial system of some form or another. The HRE inherited it from Imperial Rome.What I think you mean is that the crown authority used to be weak relative to later national (not Imperial) structures. That much is true.
>>17282047Hre is feudalism. They called themselves emperor but actually not imperial themselves. You just don't know anything about economic bro. When centralized western roman fell. Warlordism then feudalism happened thus make their economy localized and ruralization begin. Read history and it's true. There is no town nor city in Europe at the time before crusade. I bet my house in it. Feudal Ruralization after western roman fell is huge thing. Europe never recovered until post crusade. When urbanization truly began there since roman time.
>>17282047Feudalism don't have any city nor town. Instead economic activity revolve around lords manorial estate, fortified castle and rural village.
>>17282108There were many citieshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aachen>crusadeAt the time of the first crusade Europe was able to muster half a million troops of which 200k professional soldiers and 300k peasant levies.This is bigger than any army on the planet up to that point outside of India and China.
>>17279551the roman empire was a cancer on europe, the germans applied radiotherapy, the ottomans surgically removed the tumour
>>17282215Feudal Europe has fewer army than roman time. Cause feudalism has no professional army. Their army is based thousand lord private army put together by king. That's why roman war is more epic and more large scale. It's large and professional. Crusade is when lord instead of fighting each other with their small army. Combined their private army together to go on crusade. Peak of feus8al Europe army is small than imperial Rome.
>>17282354>Feudal Europe has fewer army than roman timeThe first crusade disproves this.During the Mongol invasion the HRE also mustered 500k.
>>17282354Medieval wars were smaller because technology was better. With 3k plate armour knights you can defeat 300k lightly armoured foot soldiers.Romans never had heavy cavalry or even spurs.
>>17282361Mideaval war is smaller cause true millitary power is in the hand of local lord not the king. They are thousands of lord in one region with their own territory and own private army fighting each other. It like skirmishes happened all the time and more chaotic and unstable. Feudalism is chaotic like mafia fighting each other over small territory with small forces all the time. The pope job is to solve this. It huge headache. His job is to negotiate peace but it too chaotic so pope said fuck it. Let's crusade and united this stubborn lord together and it works. Pope solve this issue by making a common enemy. They do with Muslim and do it with pagan north
