Why do Tradcaths obsess over the Spanish Inquisition as if it's a morally just occurance? It was caused by fanaticism, misogyny, anti-semitism, and early racism. It led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people.Fredda's video does a good job dissecting tradcath PaxTube's revisionist BS of the Spanish Inquisition that he and many other tradcaths commonly spout: https://youtu.be/rz9ul8RyitsAnswer me tradcaths, what was good about the Spanish Inquisition?
>>17279952>Why do Tradcaths obsess over the Spanish Inquisition as if it's a morally just occurance?"The gates of Hades will never prevail" they can't see their Church actively participating in evil.There was nothing good about the Inquisition, many suffered because the Church couldn't adapt quick enough for all the new Conversos. Everything about it is just sad, a shame on Catholic History.
>>17279952Tradcath Latinx rapebaby mutts think that all of those things are based so I suggest you don't try and use that as a negative argument against the Inquisition to them. Fuck Pax Tube btw. He is a faggot homo obsessed with BBC and needs to be thrown into a dirty Filipinx lake full of rotten toxic sludge (basically all Filipinx lakes or bodies of water 100 km from that filthy pagpag eating shithole) along with Chud Anon.
People don't understand what the Spanish inquisition was. The Spanish Inquisition began in reaction to the Protestant Reformation. The Church realized that most of the population was essentially ignorant of Christianity, so the inquisition was a drive to educate and discipline the populace in the ways of the Catholic Church. It was in reality much more boring that people think
>>17279952I'm not going to watch your fucking video niggger, are you going to read the wikipedia article "Black Legend of the Spanish Inquisition"? are you going to read every source? fuck you is that simple, we are not your fucking dancing monkeys
>>17279952>Why do Tradcaths obsess over the Spanish Inquisition as if it's a morally just occurance?Because it has been distorted, exaggerated, and outright sladered for centuries by various groups with nefarious intents, in the process also slandering Spain and Catholicism.>It was caused by fanaticismObjectively false, there were high standards for evidence, testimony gained by torture was considered illegitimate, people were given one month of notice in advance for being tried, and even when somebody was found guilty, the sentences were not as harsh as people think they were.>misogynylol what? how?>anti-semitismThe Inquisition had no juristiction over non-Christians.>and early racism. How?>It led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people.How do you know they were innocent?>Fredda's video does a good job dissecting tradcath PaxTube's revisionist BS of the Spanish Inquisition that he and many other tradcaths commonly spout:I take it that you didn't watch the video? Fredda never disagrees with the basic premise that the Spanish Inquisition has been exaggerated and distorted, his video is manly him bitching about PaxTube's citations.
>>17279952>what was good about the Spanish Inquisition?It's not that the Spanish Inquisition was good; it's that the idea that it or other inquisitions in general were totalitarian murder/torture-fests is completely ahistorical, the result of fabrications meant to paint Protestants as enlightened and Catholics as savages even though Protestants have historically investigated, prosecuted, exiled, and executed Catholic Christians. Yes, the Spanish Inquisition involved violating people's privacy and personal expression. However, it's analogous to modern policing like what the FBI does on a regular basis. Religion has historically been a method of maintaining national cohesion because kingdoms usually justify their sovereignty with divine right. The Kingdom of Spain was a lot milder than COINTELPRO or what the Stasi did to maintain control over the population.
>>17279979It was more a reaction to the Reconquista, centuries of war largely driven by religious claims. If Spain was going to remain whole, then it'd need to be united in matters of faith.
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>>17279979It's hilarious how catholics think that peasants escaping inquisitorial persecution because they were shockingly ignorant of even basic christian theology is some kind of win for the catholic church>akchoally the inquisition is overblown, because most of the people investigated were so abysmally ignorant of basic christian theology the inquisition was forced to release them! protties take an l lmao
>>17279992Torquemada's office lasted only 16 years, the Inquisition lasted for 356 years. You think he's a representative of the entirety of the Inquisition's history or something?
>>17279993>Oh, we can't put this people on trial, that wouldn't be fair, they are too ignorant of the Church's teachings to be held accountable for breaking them, we shall release them at once and pardon them. Instead we will focus on teaching the Church's doctrine properly so that these people will act properly.Oh, what monsters....
>>17279993LMFAO it is! what the hell is wrong with you?
>>17280009>Yes, these peasants that have lived their whole lives in lands dominated by the Church were so ignorant of basic Christian theology we were about to torture them mercilessly until we found out they thought Mary was Jesus's wife!>Please don't draw any conclusions about the efficacy of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church™ in promulgating Christian doctrine from this pls
>>17280011>Yes, peasants that have lived their entire lives in lands dominated by my denomination were so ignorant of basic christian theology that we were forced to release them rather than torture them mercilessly as unrepentant heretics>Do NOT draw any conclusions from this pls
>>17280012>>Yes, these peasants that have lived their whole lives in lands dominated by the Church were so ignorant of basic Christian theology The Reconquista had only recently been finished. Some parts of Spain had only been under Christian control for decades, how exactly were they supposed to teach doctrine to the peasantry while they were focued on fighting off the rest of the Muslim realms?>we were about to torture them mercilessly until we found out they thought Mary was Jesus's wife!Citation needed.>>Please don't draw any conclusions about the efficacy of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church™ in promulgating Christian doctrine from this plsThe effiacy of teaching proper doctrine to the lowest strata of society in a time of warring factions and no mass literacy?
>>17280019Because they didn't give a fuck about teaching anything beyond the kids of local magnates, you dumb fuck. Your trad church never existed, if you forced a 15th century "catholic" peasant to post about basic christian theology here you would be embarrassed by his declarations - in a similar vein to the inquisitors embarrassed that the "heretics" they were investigating were just hilariously ignorant
>>17280021>Because they didn't give a fuck about teaching anything beyond the kids of local magnates, you dumb fuck. If they didn't care about teaching doctrine, why would they be embarrased that the peasants didn't know proper doctrine?>if you forced a 15th century "catholic" peasant to post about basic christian theology here you would be embarrassed by his declarationsWhy would I be "embarrased" that a 15th century Spanish peasant isn't knowledgeable about Catholic doctrine? I'd be surprised if he even knew how to read and write.>in a similar vein to the inquisitors embarrassed that the "heretics" they were investigating were just hilariously ignorantYou keep saying "embarrased"? Why are you ascribing such feeling to them? How do you know that they were "embarrased"?
>>17280030I said you would be embarrassed, the apathy of catholic clergy - until it was brought to their attention by the inquisition - to the fact the average "catholic" peasant barely knew the basics of christian theology to the point they could've been persecuted for it indicates they weren't at all concerned that their ostensible catholic brethren would face potential persecution for being hilariously ignorant of christian theology.
>>17280041>I said you would be embarrassed, And I asked, why would I?>the apathy of catholic clergy - until it was brought to their attention by the inquisition - to the fact the average "catholic" peasant barely knew the basics of christian theology to the point they could've been persecuted for it If you don't care about a problem until it's actually brought up to you, that doesn't mean you never cared, it just means that you didn't even know that there was a problem to solve in the first place, and taking action once it's brought up to you means that you were never apathetic.>indicates they weren't at all concerned that their ostensible catholic brethren would face potential persecution for being hilariously ignorant of christian theology.If they thought they were going to be prosecuted, that means they thought they were heretics, until they realized their ignorance and pardoned them.Why are protestants so cartoonishly biased against the Catholic Church? You literally seek ever possible angle that makes the Church look bad, it's absurd.
>>17280046>don't bother evangelizing among the peasants (they're dumb scrubs that don't even donate much to the local monastery lmao)>peasants get dragged in front of the inquisition because they believe mary was jesus' sister, or maybe jesus was just a particularly devout preacher and NOT the son of god>inquisition is forced to release aforementioned peasants because they're hilariously ignorant of christian theology (rather than mercilessly torturing and executing them as they would unrepentant heretics)>"Heh, dumb prottoids don't even know that most of the people 'investigated' by the inquisition weren't even punished!"lol
>>17280048>>don't bother evangelizing among the peasants I thought you said they didn't even knew they needed to be evangelized.>(they're dumb scrubs that don't even donate much to the local monastery lmao)Another citation needed.>>peasants get dragged in front of the inquisition I already told you that there was a month's notice to be cited to the court.>because they believe mary was jesus' sister, or maybe jesus was just a particularly devout preacher and NOT the son of godThere's a difference between believing heresy out of ignorance and believing heresy knowing you're deviating from Church doctrine. The former was not persecuted for obvious reasons, the very fact that the Inquisition made sure to know which one was the case before prosecuting someone shows they were not deranged psychopats that Protestant propaganda mades them out to be.>>inquisition is forced to release aforementioned peasants because they're hilariously ignorant of christian theology "Forced" how? They're following procedure.>(rather than mercilessly torturing and executing them as they would unrepentant heretics)Again, citation needed.>>"Heh, dumb prottoids don't even know that most of the people 'investigated' by the inquisition weren't even punished!"Yeah.....this is such an L for the inquistion.....yeah....
>>17279952>thousandslol that is such a small number of people, why the fuck do we still care about this?
>>17280065Because they think even one death is inexcusable and 15th century Spain should've had a 21st century style secular justice system.
>>17280056Yes, I know, we're going around and around in circles. Let's reduce it to>"peasants in catholic countries were so hilariously ignorant of basic christian theology they almost got tortured to death as heretics"And call it a day, ok?
>>17280072No I don't think I will, anon. How about this:>The Inquisition was a level headed organization that understood regular people couldn't be tried and sentenced for not adhering to Catholic orthodoxy due to their ignorance and lack of education, in which cases it was perfectly willing to pardon and release people for heresy out of ignorance.
>>17280080As I said>peasants were so shockingly ignorant of basic christian theology they bordered on getting prosecuted by the inquisitionThis is not the heckin wholesome chungus win you think it is
>>17280081>>peasants were so shockingly ignorant of basic christian theologyWhy do you keep saying "shocking" or hilariously" ignorant? How knowledgeable do you expect 15th century Spanish peasants to be about Catholic doctrine, and why do you hold them to such standards when there was no mass literacy and the printing press hadn't even been invented until a couple of decades ago?
>>17280084It was basic christian theology, anon, they weren't on the verge of being tortured because they couldn't articulate the flaws in st. chrysometer's views on divine grace
>>17280087>It was basic christian theologyWhat part? Be specific.
>>17280087I take your silence as a concession of defeat.
>>17279952>Fredda vs Pax TubeWonderfull anaother Episode of Black cock obsesed norwegian commie vs Zoomer trad Vietnamise manlet
>>17279952>It was caused by fanaticism, misogyny, anti-semitism, and early racism.oh no not a stinky poo poo
>Black cock obsesed norwegian commieFredda is an actual degreed historian who does his research and clearly cites his sources.You just hate him because he systematically deboonks your favorite chud rightwing-adjacent youtubers.
>>17279952Fredda is a retard.>>17279972maybe they shouldnt have believed the child sacrificing people when they claimed to stop sacrificing children?>>17279976>you must allow jews to murder childrenwhy?>>17279979It actually began as a way to combat shephardim who were preying upon Catholics as "fellow Catholics".
>>17280392>degree historianeveryone who said browns werent human also held a degree in a relevant field.>does his researchNo he doesnt, hes either ignorant or dishonest when considering the reasons for the inquisition and its intended purpose.>cites his sourcesno, he cites people who already agree with him, offering no analysis of his own and no explanation for his agreement.If you tried to put the narrative given in the video into a doctoral thesis you would get thrown out of the program lol.parroting other people isnt an analysis.
>>17280405His previous video literally deboonks the popular myth that Norway got rich from oil, that's original analysis and the complete opposite of parroting other people.
>>17279982>are you going to read the wikipedia article "Black Legend of the Spanish Inquisition"?"are you going to read the Wikipedia article" lmao the absolute state of /his/torians
>>17280405>he cites people who already agree with himthis is how you make a point retard
>>17279952Saracens, Protties (modern Arianists) and Jews will never get ahead with Spanish Inquisition amd Jesuits.
>>17280065Double standards they ignore the millions of victims of brutal protestant popular inquisition (witch trials, vampires trials, ethnic cleansings, etc) and seethe, dilate and cope for Spanish Inquisition.There were more women, children and men getting burned for witchcraft in Netherlands and Germany between 1519 and 1530 than victims of Spanish Inquisition between 1500s and 1800s.Funny considering that Spanish Inquisitors were Dominican Thomists who saw witchcraft, vampirism and that kind of stuff as irrelevant popular superstitions. And Jews, Protestants and Muslims as a dangerous fifth column of Ottomans and Protestants.
>>17280502>Fredda's video does a good job"Fredda's video does a good job" lmao the absolute state of /his/torians
>freddaLiteral troon friend of hasan
>>17280859explain, i thought it was pretty informative
