I've read cope answers that the Jews envisioned the Messiah as a warrior-king rather than a priest, which is why they rejected Jesus and backed military leaders like Simon bar Kokhba. But I don't care who you are, if you see a guy who can raise the dead, walk on water, and resurrect himself, you're pledging yourself to him. This only makes sense if Jesus was just a regular guy with no special powers.
>>17280138The Torah makes it clear that miracles aren't sufficient to make a man worthy of belief. A prediction must be made and it must come true, if it does not then the prophet has presumed to speak in God's name. The only prediction Jesus made had his return after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. Moreover, any prophet who inclines Israelites to worship a God other than the Lord must be executed. So if you really want to know why, understand what it means to be a Jew.
>>17280139Didn't Jesus' biography basically fulfil the scriptures?
>>17280143No. The Gospels are full of unrelated prophecies, mistranslations, and unscriptural prophecies. The only decent work is Mark and that's because it's an allegory about the Jewish people leading up to the Siege of Jerusalem. That's why "Judas" betrays Jesus.
>>17280138John 8:44
>>17280138>Deuteronomy 13>13 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.Jesus was a false prophet and false messiah. Everything he promised never came true. His followers who wrote the Gospels lied about most of it.
Miracles and magic were accepted as a part of the setting that people can just do in the past. There are numerous recorded examples of people with similar abilities in antiquity, and the later Talmud also records rabbis performing such feats, including necromancy(with one famous case involving a guy summoning Jesus himself). Total denial of absurdities wasn't common back then in any culture, it was far more likely that skeptics would accept such feats really did happen but attributed it to another source of power.
>>17280138>if you see a guy who can raise the dead, walk on water, and resurrect himself, you're pledging yourself to him.And then, you turn to the guy, and ask him to heal you, the way he is healing others, and he says, "no. I want you to remain a cripple, so that you can show everyone that even cripples, who I refuse to heal, also love me".
>>17280138he didn't fit the role's requirements, top keks
>>17280450You just don't understand them. You and your fallible understanding are the weak link here, not the Bible.>>17280138According to the Bible, they rejected the Son of God because of their wickedness and the fact that they weren't even following God's laws in the first place."For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"- John 5:46-47The few Jews that did follow God's law, did recognize Jesus as the Christ (i.e. God's anointed). He is God manifest in the flesh. The ones that rejected Jesus as Lord and Christ were cut off, like it says in the New Testament. See below:"For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."- Acts 3:22-23Amen.
>>17281234>You just don't understand them.Why is this always the first cope they go to? Then when someone DOES understand it, you just have a meltdown and start rambling about Satan and gay sex.
Making magic bread and turning water into wine doesn't cut it.SHOW ME THE MONEY.t. Jews.
>>17280138>But I don't care who you are, if you see a guy who can raise the dead, walk on water, and resurrect himself, you're pledging yourself to him. This only makes sense if Jesus was just a regular guy with no special powers.The Hebrew Bible recognises the existence of other Near Eastern deities and sorcery. The mere act of wielding supernatural power wouldn't necessarily indicate that this man was empowered by the god of Israel in the first place.
>>17280138>Why did the Jews reject JesusBecause he told them they are just a branch of the tree, the white family tree.
>>17281236Because they're arrogant. Apparently Christianity requires wisdom and understanding when we know that in the early years the cope was the exact opposite.
There is ZERO reason to believe Jesus worked a single miracle. It is perfectly plausible that if Christians made up the contents of the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, and the Acts of Peter and the Twelve - which it is not in dispute that they did - that they might also make up the contents of the New Testament. There is no more reason to believe that Jesus walked on water than that Mohammad flew to Jerusalem on the Buraq or milk sprayed 100 feet in the air out of Ichadon's corpse.
>>17281555>It is perfectly plausible that if Christians made up the contents of the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, and the Acts of Peter and the Twelve - which it is not in dispute that they didI dispute that the gnostics were Christians, so I dispute this point. The fact that random cults that have nothing to do with actual Christianity were making stuff up later doesn't really prove anything. That would be like saying Joseph Smith founding Mormonism as a ridiculous cult would disprove the teachings of Jesus or the claims of the apostles, when they clearly have nothing in common.
>>17281874>I dispute this point.You can dispute gravity too, but if you jump off a cliff you're still going to fall.
>>17281882Gnostics weren't Christians, anon. People like Marcion split away from the early church and made alternate versions of Scripture precisely because they were a cult that was formed later. They weren't Bible-believers but they created later innovations instead.
>>17280138The Jews didn't reject Jesus. But the atheists amongst them, who claimed to be Jews, just like the atheists of today who claims to be Christians and Muslims, those rejected the Christ, because that's what atheists do.
>>17280138>if you see a guy who can raise the dead, walk on water, and resurrect himself, you're pledging yourself to him.So you're worshipping David Blaine?
>>17281874There is little reason to believe Paul (not to mention the authorship controversy) and the Gospels and Acts more accurately represent Jesus's teachings and acts than the "Gnostics". My point isn't about Christian orthodoxy and heterodoxy, i.e., an arbitrary and shifting line drawn by kikes between kikes and kikes. My point is that delusional schizos make shit up and write is as scripture, and everyone (except Perennialist mystic delusional schizos) believes that is true about all scriptures, with the possible and entirely arbitrary exception of a few.
>>17280138you are ignoring the entire spiritual side of the equation. fundamentally the jews rejected Christ for the same reason that anyone rejects Christ, they loved their sin more than they loved God. everything else is just window dressing. all the "logical arguements" and "intellectual disagreements" are all borne from this seed
>>17280351And while Toledot Yeshu isn’t exactly the best source, considering that it was composed later on (although the story elements in it probably are older than the text itself), it basically paints Jesus as a thief, someone who cheated himself God’s power:> In the Temple was to be found the Foundation Stone on which were engraved the letters of God's Ineffable Name. Whoever learned the secret of the Name and its use would be able to do whatever he wished. Therefore, the Sages took measures so that no one should gain this knowledge. Lions of brass were bound to two iron pillars at the gate of the place of burnt offerings. Should anyone enter and learn the Name, when he left the lions would roar at him and immediately the valuable secret would be forgotten.>Yeshu came and learned the letters of the Name; he wrote them upon the parchment which he placed in an open cut on his thigh and then drew the flesh over the parchment. As he left, the lions roared and he forgot the secret. But when he came to his house he reopened the cut in his flesh with a knife an lifted out the writing. Then he remembered and obtained the use of the letters.
>>17280143>Didn't Jesus' biography basically fulfil the scriptures?yes, but not in the way the jews were expecting
>>17280147>The Gospels are full of unrelated prophecies, mistranslations, and unscriptural propheciesuh huh
>>17282279>My point isn't about Christian orthodoxy and heterodoxy, i.e., an arbitrary and shifting line drawn by kikes between kikes and kikes.>There is little reason to believe Paul (not to mention the authorship controversy) and the Gospels and Acts more accurately represent Jesus's teachings and acts than the "Gnostics".That would be the false narrative of the entire unbelieving world. To them, truth is relative. They all think or want to think these things are arbitrary, and they try to pretend they are, but they really aren't. You are really trying to convince yourself by saying this stuff, but it isn't working. There are people who accept the word and those who reject it. The point that I made before is what I will emphasize again: Mormons, Islam, etc. are not in the same category as people who actually believe the Bible itself. One is truth and the other is nothing but a wide variety of errors that are all incorrect in different ways.As it says in Scripture, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6).>My point is that delusional schizos make shit up and write is as scriptureYes but they are all wrong. Those who wrote the Bible were inspired by God. Those who are lost just don't want to see the difference. I'm trying to warn them about this because it's going to cost them. Seek the truth, anon.
>>17281378cool fanfic, to bad he never said that
