How did the Kartvelians and the Basque avoid linguistic annihilation by Indo-Europeans?
>>17280360the Basque language is a madeup language created in the XIX century mixing half docen of dialects, 40% is Castilian Spanish too.
>>17280368Why is this board filled with imbeciles like you.
>>17280360ჩვენ ტოტალურად არარელევანტურები ვიყავით მთელი ისტორიის განმავლობაშირა აზრი აქვს ასეთი გეოსტრატეგიულად უვარგისი მიწის დაპყრობას
>>17280368>created in the XIX century by mixing a half dozen dialectsthat's like half the languages in Europe anon
>>17280360Because Basques are a Bell Beaker remain and they didn't speak IE.
>>17280360Mountains and not having much useful arable land
>>17280360The average Basque woman look like this, if you ever wondered how they managed to retain their purity that's how
>>17280422>IE ancestry reach almost 50% in Norway, which is 60% mountains
>>17280425Hunterjeet genes do be like that
>>17280427Yeah but something like 20% of Norway's population lives in the Oslo metro alone right next to Denmark and Sweden, not to mention in the general vicinity Bergen only became famous for North Sea fishing, the region is deserted otherwise
>>17280433well, that doesn't support your argument anonthe issue of the mountain is very vague and was not one of the best reasons.the same can be said in Finland, with its well-defined and different tundras where the IE pastoralists lived.it was another reason.
>>17280445Yes it does, Oslo and environs are relatively flat and well connected. The NW Pyrenees are very isolated
>>17280403>the guy who made this infographic thinks the G, J1/J2, and E1b1b haplogroups came from the Romans and the Moors1. the Moors never had any significant presence in the British Isles.2. the G/J/E haplogroups are part of the European gene pool because [drum roll] the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers spread them across the continent all the way back in the fucking stone age.3. You're a faggot for reposting false information.
>>17280611Celts did not have J/E/L, etc. Those are from Romans. And Bell Beakers didn't have G unlike Celts. Celts came from somewhere else.
>>17280368to be fair, castillian language phonetics come from basque
>>17280403What do Bell Beakers have to do with this?The reason Basques don't speak IE is actually quite simple:They have very little steppe ancestry, because they stayed relatively isolated in the mountains. The only ethnicity with less steppe is Sardinians. You can tell Basques are low steppe from this figure where their CHG is shown to be only slightly higher than Sardinians. There are even zero CHG holdouts among the samples. The existence of 0% CHG Basques means there was likely to be stubborn perpetuators of the Basque language even during contact with IE speakers.Despite the intrusion of R1b, Basque society maintained cultural and linguistic integrity because of their isolation which meant steppe male lineages were more likely to assimilate linguistically. They never experienced a population turnover or a total societal collapse, so their language survived.https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2021.03.010>The genetic continuity of Basques since the Iron Age also supports the hypothesis that the expansion of the Steppe ancestry did not completely erase Pre-Indo-European languages in Western Europe, as previously suggested in other studies.Figure 2https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982221003493-mmc1.pdfFigure S4b.https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1509851112Figure 3
Nobody has ever proven that the Basques inhabited Europe before the Indo-EuropeansIt's never been proven
>>17280427It's not 50%. It all depends on how it's modeled. Yes, the mountains do in fact have a lot to do with slowing down the loss of pre-Indo-European culture. You may have noticed the high incidence of haplogroup I in Scandinavia and the large pre-Indo-European substrate in Germanic languages. The odd haplogroup proportions of Scandinavia are not the founder effect. There were substantial pre-Indo-European survivorship rates that led to this state of affairs.
