How the FUCK did they do it, bros? Reading espionage history is just a non-stop list of "he was a NKVD/KGB spy all along" and it's always in the most absurd places and situations. Manhattan Project? Infiltrated. Hollywood? Infiltrated. British Foreign Office? Infiltrated. West German Chancellor's Office? Infiltrated. Your high school locker room? Heh you know itWhat made Soviet intelligence so good at subverting and infiltrating every fucking organization on this planet?
>>17281587They infiltrated everything but still lost the war, yawn. CIA must have done it better.
>>17281587jewish magic + asiatic cunning, they were like the Wehrmacht of Psyops.
>>17281587If they were so great why couldn't they infiltrate China and turned the tide of the cold war
>>17281587I think for awhile they could recruit intelligent people who were also idealistic about communism which is international in scope. It wasn't just about money or whatever (and they didn't have any money). Bolsheviks were also by nature conspiratorial and believed in combining both "legal" and "illegal" methods for the pursuit of their aims which developed out of the conditions of pre-Soviet Russia. Their strategy was a kind of dual-power seeking where they'd target non-communist groups (which may not have been previously considered as vectors for political activity, like theatre groups or whatever) for infiltration and subversion. Cadres are basically like agents who get inside other groups and try to maneuver them in some kind of way rather than the Communist Party showing up and being like "we're here now!" That's more like after a coup d'etat led by communist infiltrated organizations including the military. Read "The Organizational Weapon."Also to some extent was reliance of Jewish networks in the 20s/30s but /pol/ overstates the case with Judeo-Bolshevik theories.>>17281740China is like a whole different civilization.
>>17281740Westerners had human rights so the FBI cant just purge the soviet spies despite mccarthy's best attempts >>17281845The soviets had access to mongols and tuvans and all sorts of other asians they could have used to try to infiltrate
>>17281857Another thing might be that China, being communist, was also good at rooting out Soviet spies. The Leninist party structure is very efficient at certain things. The CCP in China really functions as a kind of shadow institution that parallels or mirrors every organization in the country and every part of the economy. So, the schools have party officials -- like some of the teachers, the principal -- who keep tabs on everybody. The military has political officers (commissars) shadowing the regular officers. The party is sort of everywhere, including in private companies. Really to have any significant career (like the director of a state-owned factory or a provincial official) you need to be approved by the party and be on the list of appointments (known as the nomenklatura). It creates a kind of pervasive surveillance apparatus:https://youtu.be/u--cQWrNO_4>National Security Education Day: National security is everywhereI've read that one way this form of control works is not that everyone has to believe in it, but you don't know who does. This relates to the dual structure I was talking about that is used for penetration and exploitation.
>>17281857>The soviets had access to mongols and tuvans and all sorts of other asians they could have used to try to infiltrateThat's not what he meant. Tuvans or Mongols would stick out like a sore thumb in China for the same reason that a Hungarian guy called Nagos Magyarman would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle of Spain or Scotland. Their phenotype doesn't bridge the language gap, culture gap, etc.
Or to put it another way, the party doesn't actually have to strictly do... anything. It just has to know everything. It's like the whole thing is really one big conspiracy / intelligence organization.
>>17281845Ideology certainly played a large part of it. Of course they used bribes to a great effect, and some of the most destructive spies for US (Hanssen, Ames) were in it for money alone, but lots of their grassroots reach came from more subtle and psychological means.Also, consider the following: western societies were a lot easier to inflitrate (and still are), because they weren’t built on such insane levels of paranoia and were more ideologically diverse than Soviet Union. Trying to build networks inside Soviet Union must have been a nightmare, because they had eyes on all foreigners and even natives couldn’t move around freely, but in west it’s much easier to pull off all kinds of shit before intelligence apparatus focuses their eyes on you.It still applies, because while digital surveillance is big and almost universal in reach, there’s so much ”noise” in western societies (people spewing around all kinds of political ideas, making all kinds of societies, radical speech that never leads to anywhere) that you have to do something properly dumb to stick out in the radar among all that. In more authoritarian societies, you don’t need to do as much to register as a blip on authorities eyes.
