Historically speaking, who should control Alsace–Lorraine?
>>17282054The Burgundian state (I will not clarify further)
>>17282054Germany because France failed to 1v1 the Germans three times.Thems the rules.
>>17282054>who should control this 90% German speaking region that was part of the HRE for most of human history and who's people consistently vote to be part of the Germany for every referendum ever given.The answer is of course that the Kingdom of Lotharingia should control it.
>>17282054they should just rule themselves
>>17282054Me
>>17282150There are too many sovereign countries in Europe already
>>17282184*not enough, and agreed
>>17282184Especially in the Balkans. All of those Southern Slavs should unite into a Pan-Slavic state.
>>17282054It should merge with Belgium to form a proper buffer state between France and Germany. Maybe include Switzerland too.
>>17282205They tried. Serbs chimped out and caused a huge war sending their diaspora all over western europe
>>17282088They failed once in 1v1 (1870)They succeeded once in 3v1 (WW1)Then they failed in 2v1 (1940)
>>17282054God who cares anymore, Europe needs to unite under one leadership and not quarrel over minor provinces the size of a US county
they were all ethnically Germans (were bc now It's full of niggers)
>>17282054Prussian retardation unironically burnt their goodwill towards Germany. During a minor crisis where garrison troops were getting into fights with the locals, Wilhelm II decided to publicly side with "his boys" (i.e the troops) and that pretty much soured the whole province on their 'fellow' German Emperor.The NKVD also received a few Alsatian defectors from the German Army during WWII, indicating a disaffection with being German in the 1940s
The Alsatians considered themselves French and wanted to remain French. So any argument about "muh self determination" in favor of Germany doesn't work. It doesn't matter that they were ethnically Germanic or German speaking, they didn't want German rule.
>>17282054Burgundy
>>17282054It belongs to Rome
>>17282089>consistently vote to be part of the Germany for every referendum ever givenNo, after the Franco-Prussian war they voted almost entirely for anti-German protest parties for over a decade. After Germany moved in colonists from the rest of Germany and 2 or so generations of brainwashing had passed they were gradually warming up to the German rule, but then the Germans destroyed their goodwill towards the Alsatians again with the Zabern affair and destroying their native textile industry in favor of favoring the textile industry in the rest of Germany.Germans knew Alsatians didn't like them and still had loyalties to France, Alsatians weren't trusted on the Western Front in WW1 so Germany shipped them to the East. They greeted the French as liberators and barely enlisted in WW2 for Germany so the Germans and were subjected to hardcore repression by the Nazis.It was just a bunch of Prussian militarist and Pan-Germanic crazies that saw people in France who spoke a Germanic language and thinking they were these lost Germans that thought they needed to be choked and punched in the face hard enough until they realized they were German and loved it. They never wanted to be part of Germany and Germans ruined whatever Pro-German sentiment there was with their behavior. Although they spoke a Germanic language, Germans also tried to culturally genocide them by outlawing their unique dialect and trying to replace it entirely with standard German in schools and public life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZtgWpfaI9AThe sad thing is this just made France double down on destroying local languages and identity like French Flemish and Occitan because they perhaps reasonably never wanted this kind of thing to happen again. This idea that Alsatians are just Germans is just cope from Paradox game players and Neo Nazis who think anyone speaking a Germanic language needs to be forcefully assimilated into Das Reich irrespective of what the people there actually want.
>Alsace threadhttps://youtu.be/HQr0ZcDrYOM?si=U30tL15piAVyX3e5
I'm sure they'd rather have autonomy/self rule than be part of either one of those autistic imperialistic retarded blobs known as Fr*nce and G*rmany.
The HRE
>>17282054Alsatians and Lothringians
>>17282054Should be divided by linguistic borders.
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me
>>17282054He who can defend it. Sometimes German, Right now it belongs to France. Soon it will belong to some Islamic Arab state.
>>17282597Pure deranged nonsense.
