Does he manipulate G25 samples and results? Why are his models and PCAs so different from academic ones?
Can you give me an example of something that turned out to radically different in a reproducible manner? That is, if I put G25 into vahaduo, I'll get one thing but if I use qpAdm, I'll get something quite different.
>>17315495Are you one of those italians on twitter that complain about g25?
>>17315495Basically all the brownoids spamming this board with spreadsheet numbers are using the dna of brown negro mutt slaves cherry picked and passed off as either egyptian, levantine, greek, or roman. They know they are full of shit and have no other response but to hope you will be dumb enough to believe their bullshit.
>>17315495The italian guy that always uses the other tool said some shit about G25 not having any white papers because it has different standard for modeling. So apparently it's not up to academic standard.But Idk anything about this shit in depth, just parroting
>>17315602I'm not him, but it's true. It mysteriously omits Iran_N/CHG ancestry in particular.
>>17315614I don't know much about genetics.I don't really care much about it, even if its 24/7 on this board these days.But normally if I had to choose between anything from the internet with no controls and academic shit I'd choose the second.But since genetics is a sensitive subject this might not apply.Most people will "side" with the tool that confirms their views regardless of evidence.I.e if someone really believes population x is subhuman, and g25/academia give him y reason to insult them, he will believe in it blindly.
>>17315639>But since genetics is a sensitive subject this might not apply.this is correct. the online space in this shit mogs academics who often come to retarded conclusions. academics are useful for their data and samples they provide and then the community can pretty much take it from there. rip anthrogenica
>>17315495So, this results are fake too?Good! 100% fake
>>17315653This goes the other way too, don't get me wrong.If I'm an autistic nerdy guy that wants to start his own genetic "site" I will absolutely bring all of my bias with me.This will never truly be resolved. Mentally ill people will continue battling over "distances", denying each other data etc...
>>17315639I just prefer academic studies and they do show something slightly different from G25 most of the time.
If you wanna know what I think, you're wasting your time arguing wheter ancient greek samples are slaves, wheter spaniards are romans.you are all obsessed with europe but it's largely irrelevant. History has left the continent and it's in the US.
>>17315658>actually noooThis is 100% correct! Only when g25 shows non-nOrDiC results is manipulated
GCope25 say tajiks are more close to Yamnaya than majority of europoors.Don't make any sense. They have a lot of strange things which Yamnaya Don't had
>>17315688Is that even a G25 issue or just a fundamental failure to understand what distance even implies? People like distance because they're lazy and you can make up bullshit with it.
>>17315681>>17315658>>17315495shit25 hides that northern and eastern Europeans 50%+ Yamnaya
>>17315728Didn't Davidski literally go out of his was to handle "Balto-Slavic drift" specially in order to rescue the eastern European Yamnaya ancestry? I don't understand why you've brought this up. He's on team Slav with you, is he not?
>Belarusians are Iranjeets>Ukrainians and Poles are EHGoloidsIs it possible for Gcope25 to demonstrate this?
>>17315495Idk. But he's a retard that believes in Covid and Vaccines. Lmao. Even though majority of Polish population didn't.
>>17315728depends on the model you make both on g25 and qpadm
>>17315744>He's on team SlavHe's not. If anything he did everything he could to manipulate research to diminish anything Slavic related.
>>17315744davidski hates slavs
>>17315697You tell, useless sack of shit>distanceEven this metric, doesn't make any sense. Tajiks and Pamiri_Shugnan forms their own cluster, which is acidente the yamnaya one. Tajiks are more closer to iran_N than steppe_EBA. But cope25 says they were more close and your argument of differentiating distance between components supports my argument. It doesn't make sense for it to show this distance since the Tajijs components are not the same as the ones Yamnaya had. populations with the largest steppe between them range from 30~35%, not much higher than southern Europeans.
>>17315994yajiks have more steppe than they have iran_n, so it checks out actually
>>17315994strange argument, tajiks having more steppe than iranian noelithic will be closer to steppe than to iranian neolithic, except for the afghan tajiks that have more iran neolithic and are closer to iranian noelithicalso this is a simplistic view on the matter, tajiks also have non insignificant amounts of AASI, mongoloid and barcin ancestry that together make up a minimum of 35% of their genome
>>17315728Vattniggers do not have this much steppe on qpadmix lol
>>17316037From what region? Russians are a heterogeneous nation
>>17315881>>17315909https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/ancient-ancestry-proportions-in-present.html?m=1>There's someone trolling at a couple of places online about Poles having a lot more Karelia_HG ancestry than Northwestern Europeans.>This person appears to be seriously mentally unstable, which isn't unusual in this scene, but in this case the trolling is very persistent.>Of course, Poles don't have any more Karelia_HG-related ancestry than what we have as part of our ~50% of Yamnaya-related ancestry. This is easy to demonstrate in any number of ways, including a variety of formal statistics-based analyses. Here's a qpAdm/qpfstats mixture model.PolishHUN_Koros_N_HG 0.127RUS_Karelia_HG 0.000TUR_Barcin_N 0.321UKR_Yamnaya 0.552chisq 7.554tail prob 0.478197
>>17316053Belgorod suka blyat.It doesn't matter as no region in russia has 55% Yamnaya lol
>>17316074Whether it's 55 or 49% doesn't really make a difference
>>17315994Let's say a WHG was brought back to life by a mad scientist. The WHG rapes a North African woman in a mosque in his ancient territory. The child would have some weird distance measurement making it close to modern Europeans even though it would be nothing like a modern European genetically and as far as the ancestral components are concerned.
>>17316023>>17316031The point here is not a quantitative issue, they still have less than 40%, and they have several components that Yamnaya did not have. the g25 could say that NOBODY is close besides shit like 0.13, but including Tajiks and Pamiris in the list with half Iranian_N and even Asian things that were not in Yamnaya and saying that Swedes or Russians with almost 50% are not closer, (already that you used quantitative arguments) does not make sense again.see that no decent PCA shows this. the reason why many Scythians are "Tajiks" is precisely the components of steppe+bmac and adjacent pops. Sorry, don't make any sense.>>17316110>WHG Irrelevant
>>17316161>IrrelevantIt's relevant. You can mix a bunch of random ethnicities and create something which has a short distance to Yamnaya but has little to do with Yamnaya ancestrally or less ancestry than those who are more distant
>>17315639>he will believe in it blindly.they're past that point, they know it is bullshit, but they use it anyways, regardless
>>17316182It's not because it's a bad comparison.I know that you need to defend your religion (g25), I am also religious, I know how important it is, but this comparisonis terrible. especially when gcope25 sucks at any Paleolithic shit. WHG has its highest peak of 10% in Estonians, which is different from the Yamnaya (or "WSH" more generally) where we have several modern populations scoring almost 50% (ancient or recent)a rubbish comparisonthe point is that even the CWC already had more ANF than the Yamnaya_RUS_Samara did not, so we can say that practically no one is "Yamnaya" in the strict sense of the word. but this does not mean that using matrices as basic as you did above using merely quantitative questions is a good argument. Because if so, it again doesn't make sense.
>>17315881>>17315909I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong:https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/ancient-ancestry-proportions-in-present.html?m=1>DavidskiJuly 28, 2020 at 1:40AM>@Matt>It's become emotivized because there's been a lot of trolling about this issue. It looks like a lot of people find it offensive to see that Eastern Europeans have as much steppe ancestry as Western Europeans, if not more.>But I already have a good idea about what happened in Eastern Europe.>Take it or leave it for now, but at some point you'll see a lot more data from there and from Siberia, and the recurring theme will be population replacements, over and over again.Davidski is Polish. Why are there people in this thread acting like G25 is bad because it supposedly gives eastern Euros less steppe? Davidski is literally the #1 Slav defender on the internet yet somehow he is accused of being anti-Slav. If you get low steppe in eastern Euros using G25, it's because you don't understand how to model with G25. Davidski wants to attribute lower steppe percentages to "Balto-Slavic drift". Davidski believes eastern Europe has 50%+ Yamnaya.If anything, Davidski's pro-Slav stance is s reason to suspect G25 is biased in favor of Slavs.
>Slavshits Amateur hobbyists coping about being considering subhumans by the Nazis.>MED BVLLSActual geneticists.
>>17315614>Croation>AbkhasianLearn to spell, retard
>>17316161but this point is wrong, tajiks are not half iran_n, they're more steppe than they are iran_n
>>17316519nothing here suggests that he's pro slavic, stop spamming
>>17316519those comments are anti slavic, g25 has an anti slavic bias
>>17316519>Eastern Europeans have as much steppe ancestry as Western Europeans, if not more.Is that really suprising to anyone but some online 1/4 germanic brown mutts from US or latin america?Slavs pretty much live the closest to the original source of PIE. Pre-Judeo-Christian Slavs also have mythology the most resembling PIE/Iranian ones. Many customs that seem outlandish for Westerners. It's not suprising.
>>17315495A couple of years ago it was already revealed on the anthrogenica forum. Davidski is known for deliberately ignoring samples that do not support his thesis, labeling them as "outlier" or "mixed", and not even including them in the list of unscaled coordinates.And keep in mind, illustrative dna is his outsource. He used to sell coordinates through his mail for 12$, but now I think he's stopped.
>>17317841>Davidski is known for deliberately ignoring samples that do not support his thesis, labeling them as "outlier" or "mixed", and not even including them in the list of unscaled coordinates.when it comes to ancient samples davidski simply follows what the researches named the samples as, if they're not on his chart either he didn't updated it yet to include them or they're too low quality
>>17316519>could "Davidski" be a slav???Just shows how fucking retarded people on this site are and their useless opinions are based on just emotions.
