is Mein Kampf a waste of time?
>>17364467Here's an AI reading of Mein Kampf describing how Hitler became antisemitic, it is insane rambling with no basis in reality, he is clearly schizophrenic:https://files.catbox.moe/vetl33.mp4
>>17364467Yes. The intent is irrelevant when results can be clearly seen.Same thing the the communist manifesto and the bible.
>>17364497The Bible is important for understanding ~1500 years of western culture, and the Manifesto, although inferior to Marx's later works, at least has some striking prose and insights into the Revolutions of 1848 (and is still worth digging up sometimes for socialist infighting)
>>17364507>The Bible is important for understanding ~1500 years of western cultureNot really desu. Christianity (and Christian Europe) only ever gave a fuck about select parts of the Bible. Even parts of the New Testament are totally ignored.The majority of Christians for the last 2,000 years never read the Bible. Many attended church in a dead language they couldn’t comprehend. Others heard the bits and pieces of the Bible that were approved by the church for the masses to hear.Why would the Bible be important? The Bible isn’t even important in Christianity.
>>17364517yeah but those select parts were very important, I'm not saying you need to read the whole thing cover to cover
I only read the first few chapters, but I thought it gave pretty good insight on how Hitler got "redpilled" and how similar the process was for him to the modern day version of it. I guess lefties who never had a "/pol/ phase" wouldn't understand.
>>17364467>>17364468>Discard primary source material for tertiary propoganda instead!I mean, no, this man is not a historian at all. We are already long past the "hate Hitler" phase as a discipline, and your papers will be rejected if spout gibberish misqouting Mein Kampf. I don't think there is particular value in reading it if you're not a historian, but it's essential if you want to specialise in the period. If you want your life's work to be meaningful focus on longevity and objectivity. Especially in the coming age of cross checking AI your work is not gonna stand up to scrutiny easily anymore and you will be discarded like every careerist faux historian.
>>17364524>Just read the parts that the church approved of because they reinforced already established Western values.Wow, genius bro. The whole reason the New Testament exists is because it’s a butchered form of Judaism that was intended to be appetizing to goys.That’s why Christians don’t give a fuck about the Sabbath, they eat pork, they don’t circumcise, they wear mixed fabrics, and they eat cheeseburgers.>Don’t worry about the first 600,000 words bro, that shit don’t matter.>But like the Bible is super important to Western culture because Westerners added a bunch of shit to it to Westernize the book.Cart before the horse. Western culture was important for the writing of the New Testament, not the other way around.
>>17364517>>17364507The Bible is essentially for Christianity and the history of the world in general because of Lutheranism. In the early days of the Roman Catholic Church the Bible and especially the OT was meant to be a historical note, the concept of holy writ was only developed much later. This nuance is central to most of the conflicts that shaped the modern world.Stop making excuses for being lazy. It's embarrassing.
>>17364537Yes, no one is saying "only" read the Bible. The OT was not even going to be canon originally and was only meant to be included as a historical note. The OT itself is a ripoff of creation myths of other Bronze age civs which you should also read.The NT and the Chruch concept of the new covenant plus all other essential tenants not in the Bible are all heavily based on European religions and cults all of which you should read about.This is precisely why it's important to actually read (at least speed read) the Bible because most of Christianity is not based on the Bible and understanding that fact is essential to both history and modern Christianity.
>>17364467unironically yes. Kershaw's biography is incredible btw
>>17364467No, not really.If you want to know how Hitler thought, Mein Kampf is a valuable source. Kershaw's biography is good, but he doesn't get inside Hitler's head that much (at least in the 1000 page abridgment I read).Mein Kampf is a decent read for the first 1/3 of the book. That part is mostly autobiographical, some of the observations about WW1 and propaganda are quite interesting.After that first part, the book focusses on the early history of the Nazi party, and then devolves into ideological rambling.The latter part of the book is indeed badly written, and you do need some background historical knowledge to understand much of it.But it is by no means the worst thing I've ever read, and you don't need to be a world leading expert on 1920's Germany to understand it, but you do need to know what pan-germanism is.So no, he's seriously exaggerating about Mein Kampf, and you should not take reading advice from people who name themselves after prominent communists.
>>17364972communism is playing out in slow motion.Sorry bucko well part separate ways but turns out socialism was scientific after all.
>>17364467I'd put it in the same category as the Quran. While I wouldn't tell anyone not to read it, I'd tell them they'll struggle to get much out of it without a companion text/exegesis. They're texts written for people living within a specific historical/cultural/ideological milieu with little-to-no thought for an audience outside of that.
>>17364467>literally just a reddit screencapthis isn't your colony, go back
>>17364468>masterful shadelmao what gayboy
>>17364507Can you give an example of this supposed "striking prose"?Also the guy in the OP is clearly biased as fuck, if there is any value in translating toilet graffiti in pompei then there is absolutely value in reading what Adolf Hitler wrote.
Mein Kampf is available on youtube.Yes its trash. It's incoherent and its just a massive rant by someone with a very brief understanding of the world.Most Germans said they never read the book, despite it being given out for free at virually every possible occassion. Also, I am beggining to question just how important mein kampf truly was in reality. The book was written almost a decade before Hitler took power, I am wonder just how much actually stuck with Hiter in the end. Many of us dont really stand behind something we said 10 years ago. Once Hitler became head of state is also became far more pragmatic in his decisionmaking. A lot of decisions taken were reactionary as well.Even the whole "Livingspace" thing that is said in Mein Kampf can be questioned if Hitler actually pursued it. His initial goal wasnt to annex Poland, but to make them a German-subservient ally. I think he was truly going to confront the USSR, but was he actually going to carve out German territory to the Caucasus and Urals? Or was he just going to destroy the state and replace it with puppet states that would gravitate around Germany?
>>17365359>Most Germans said they never read the bookI guess your refering to the US studies from 46/47 according to which 1 in 5 Germans read it which is around 12.5 million people.So its true that most Germans didnt read it, but its also probably true that it was probably one of the 5 most read books in germany at that time.
>>17364483>it is insane rambling with no basis in realitywhich parts in particular?>he is clearly schizophrenicfor no reason at all, all of Germany just decided to become schizophrenic after reading him?>convincing yourself you're actually intellectually sophisticated for remaining IGNORANT by avoiding a source of great cultural and historical significanceThe risk of course is always that you find out Hitler wasn't "just crazy", that things he wrote had merit, and all of Germany wasn't just "put under a black magic spell by a foolish madman" one day. Hitler's views were the views of most people in the West for thousands of years.https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0058%3Abook%3D5%3Asection%3D1314a
>>17364467>is Mein Kampf a waste of time?only if you're a consociationalist and don't believe that distinct peoples have the right to constitute themselves in homogeneous nation-states
>>17365359>Many of us dont really stand behind something we said 10 years ago.Ask me how I know you're in your 20s.
>>17365534Im in my 30s.And I still dont think I'd reason or have the same understanding of the world as I did in my 20s.
>>17364467>is Mein Kampf a waste of time?No, it's a great deconstruction of ethnic subversion in "diversified" societies. Much of his accusations against the "ethnic agressors" of his day have been confirmed (and often bragged about) the the same ethnic minority in a different context. Yuri Slezkine, for example, brags about jews being a superior race for skillfully deploying all the traits Hitler accused them of using. Slezkine even offers an inversion of Nietzsche's Apollonian archetype, ascribing the "mercurian" archetype to landless "nations" like jews, indians, etc. The most compelling reason to read Mein Kampf comes after you've read a considerable amount of jewish ethnic chavenists, and you realize they're bragging about Hitler being right from the safety of the post-war context (with Hitler's criticisms defeated and made disrespectable).
>>17365538>Im in my 30s.Ask me how I know you have a funk pop collection
>>17365526>all of Germany just decided to become schizophrenic after reading himwhat makes you think this, schizo>Hitler's views were the views of most people in the West for thousands of years.no, most people in Europe didn't want to burn books, destroy art and jump into some vaguely wagnerist Vernichtungskrieg (but a castizo wannabe panchito such as ypurself wouldn't know this)
>>17365546>what makes you think thisit's the obvious implication of saying he was schizo; all of Germany somehow thought the opposite, so they must've been schizo>most people in Europe didn't want to burn booksyou mean like Magnus Hirschfeld's collection of "activist" child porn, and his library of "gender reassignment research"? I think most people in Europe at the time felt that burning books was a tame reaction to that kind of thing.
>>17364537>they wear mixed fabricsThat was a metaphor against race mixing, not a literal prohibition on mixed fabrics incidentally.
>>17365568No it wasn't. You just say that because you hate nonwhites and desperately want to use the dogma of religion to make your views on race socially palatable.
Most of the time he's talking about Slavs in there and uses "Jew" and "Slav" interchangeably.
>>17365552>all of Germany somehow thought the oppositeproofs, schizo?>but but but le tranniesonly subhumans such as yourself burn books, destroy art and jump into some vaguely wagnerist Vernichtungskrieg
>>17365359Colonizing Eastern Europe had been a longtime goal of the Prussian military elite and they found in Hitler a dupe willing to carry out their plans. Nazi ideology had as a consistent world view that Germany was overpopulated and couldn't feed almost 70 million people on her existing soil so they needed more land in the east. Yet this was a backwards way of thinking. Germany's agricultural sector was still in the 19th century and lacked the modern tools the US and UK but the idea of improving this never occurred to the NSDAP.
>>17364467>is Mein Kampf a waste of time?Only if you're a consociationalist NPC; Hitler is the antipode to their worldview.
>>17364979People thought that 16 years ago then wokeism happened, capitalists know all they have to do is hand cash and public support to some group of racist/sexist/etc ideologues and they can destroy class unity for at least another decade.
>>17364467>>17364468It's afraid.
>>17365576>proofs, schizo?proofs of what, that Germany gave the "schizo" author of Mein Kampf a mandate, or they kept supporting him for 12 years?>only subhumans such as yourself burn bookschild porn collections aren't "books" in the typical sense; seethe and dilate
Mein Kampf is a short read and it is not going to corrupt your mind or anything. It is an important piece of evidence whether you are studying the holocaust or Operation Barbarossa.R*dditors like Georgy_K_Zhukov are virtue signalling trying to deter people from reading Hitler's book, in their mind the Nazis are kind of like evil spirits that have to be warded away. However they are not a supernatural evil, they were humans, and to understand why they did what they did you have to study them like any other human.
>>17365570like most midwits Hitler far overestimated how smart and capable Jews are when most of them aren't particularly bright. ironically if you take Stormfags at their word and Jews are what they say they are then they'd be the master race and have the right to enslave us.
>>17364467Communists hate Mein Kampf because they expect it to be >Le evil master plan to genocide the world and create global totalitarian ethnostateAnd instead they get a rather dry tome about 1920s central European geopolitics
>>17365526>which parts in particular?I'm a nazi and that framing was ironic, I was just trying to bait people into watching Hitler's redpill story
>>17365671>I'm a nazi and that framing was ironic, I was just trying to baitfuck's sake, don't admit it; if you're going to bait, you gotta commit
>>17365671Worked for me. It's fascinating how Hitler's rabbit hole mirrors the modern /pol/ experience almost one to one. I always thought a certain degree of anti-semitism was simply normal back then and he developed it into a political theory.
>>17365568>>17365572At this point, the Bible just means whatever retards say it means.Martin Luther let plebeian Christians read the Bible, and they can’t cope with the fact that 70% of it incompressible, desert incel schizo garbage. Which is why all of Deuteronomy and Leviticus has been reworked to have some actual deep meaning instead of the ramblings illiterate goat fuckers who probably had scurvy.The Bible makes plenty of sense when viewed as a cool relic left behind by Arabian schizophrenics. It really falls apart as the inerrant, divine word of the universe. This is solidified by the fact that every word in the Old Testament is something you’d expect a mentally ill, poor, Arabic incel to write,>Eats week old rotten pork (since pork spoils faster)>Gets food poisoning“Ahem, pigs are evil, disgusting creatures (that god created), and even touching them is a sin.”>Gets infected foreskin from lack of hygiene in the desert>Removes it for survival“Ahem, the foreskin (which god made also) is evil and dirty. It is a sin not to remove it.”
>>17365359>reactionaryOnly actual communist twinks use this term.Opinion discarded.
>>17365634This. The "Elders of Zion" 200 IQ conspiracy theory shit has always been retarded. The reality is Jews are perennial ethnic minority that practices nepotism. It's really not any different compared to other in-group favoritism practice of other ethnic groups.It's not any different than Pajeet managers who work at tech companies and only hire other Indians. It's in-group favoritism. Replace tech with Finance and Big Media for the Jews
>>17365540It's an underrated and bizarre fact that Jews in Israel brag about most of the things they are accused of.The very first thing Jews did when they got to Palestine was to poison the Arabs' water wells (and they also claim to have poisoned many German water plants around the same time, but this had little effect). Jews brag about this fact because Arabs are now powerless to stop them. But of course, brain washed old white boomers who have been consuming MSM their entire lives physically and biologically cannot connect the fucking dots to what our ancestors said Jews did with poisoning European water wells for the last 8 centuries.I really thank God for Hitler every day, if not for him we would be living like modern Gazans slowly being genocided by Jews still stealing Christian American taxes and weapons to this day.
>>17365339nigga the very first paragraph is world-famous"A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies. "
>>17365546>no, most people in Europe didn't want to burn books, destroy art and jump into some vaguely wagnerist Vernichtungskrieg (but a castizo wannabe panchito such as ypurself wouldn't know this)Cool, neither did NSDAP?Most art in Europe, including degenerate art, was literally saved from British bombing thanks to high ranking NSDAP members' love of art. Book burning is a myth also, that was by an unrelated grassroots youth organisation.
>>17365615>child porn collections aren't "books" in the typical sense; seethe and dilateThis too, it's like the fucking gay little pampletes you see neo-commies peddling on campus. These aren't great intellectual contributions of archival value, it's penny grifter smut. Despite that fact achival copies were in fact kept.
>>17367265>It's an underrated and bizarre fact that Jews in Israel brag about most of the things they are accused of.There's a whole genre of 19th and early 20th century literature in this vein.
>>17367265Well poisoning occurred in 1948, not during the first aliyah, and it occurred for the same reasons ethnonationalists everywhere do it, from Turkey in WW1 to Germany in WW2 to Serbs in the Yugoslav wars. Medieval Jews had no nation-state and no hope of creating one, so why would they poison wells?
>>17364467 (OP)i read some of it when i was 16, and its looks like someone who was heavily influenced by eugenics without understanding what it means so naturally it became his gospel.everything is in the genes,bad people have bad genes,good people have good genes,we need more good people than bad people.that's everything this book have to offer
>>17365753It will be interesting to see the next 50 years play out in American politics because despite the fact that they are dealing with many of the same issues as 1930s Germany they have many more options open: there is no other major military power that can contest them, Israel already exists as a deportation dumping ground, the internet has destroyed the MSM monopoly on news, gene tests make identification and geneology easier.America is the last Western country that still has millions of Jews embedded in it. And nothing in practice stops them from mass denaturalization (which is not only legal, but actually legally required to denaturalize dual citizen traitors to the state, this simply needs to be enforced). They can dump all Jews in Israel and then all the NGOs still trying to destroy Europe will lose their funding base. The American state will stop sending the equivalent of 17 Marshall plans to Israel every decade, and they are unlikely to be welcomed into NATO.I think they will last for a good while without Western weapons and support because, well, fucking Afro-Arabs aren't exactly capable warriors. But they will probably end up as just yet another poor degenerate third world state without the ability to steal White tech and taxes.
>>17367282I am aware. Jews are disgustingly vile and arrogant. To be fair though without Hitler they probably would've had the numbers to take over some part of eastern Europe.All their supremacist rambling and cope was just completely shattered in WW2. It's really funny reading how Jews in Palestine thought that they were gonna win the war against Germans. Then they learned that the vast majority of their people just walked into camps without a fight.They unironically thought they were some great warrior race despite the fact that their identity is about being enslaved and being on the losing side of wars.
>>17367287>everything is in the genes,>bad people have bad genes,>good people have good genesHe doesn't mention genes at all; molecular genetics was not a mainstream paradigm of science at this time.. He speaks of race in anthropological-historical terms, in the manner common the 2nd half of the 19th century, much in the way Aristotle spoke of ethnos and philia, of someone like de Gobineau did. The closest you get to zoological terminology might be discussions of Mendelian inheritance, but it was in terms of molecular genetics. Watson and Crick didn't mainstream the idea of the DNA molecule until the 1960s. Picrel are examples of what was mainstream at the time.
>>17367304>was in terms of molecular genetics*wasn't
>>17367304yeh i meant in the spartanian form.he didn't understand the components but he knew there is a constant element within the heredity and from that he developed his thesis, he essentially pulled opinionated shit out of his head and compress it into a book
>>17367316>he essentially pulled opinionated shit out of his head and compress it into a bookWhat I'm trying to explain to you is that his concepts of race were the same views as mainstream academia at the time. He didn't invent his own views; you can find the same views in all major works that were widely cited and read up to that point. They didn't become taboo until the war, by the war propaganda that ensued. I can provide examples to that effect. There's no real daylight between Churchill's views on race, for example, and Hitler's -- except that Hitler believed in the inclusion of the Anglos within the Germanic cultural and civilizational sphere. Churchill did not, and was an extreme chauvinist against the Germans.
>>17367316It was extremely common for WASPs in the US, factions of British aristocracy, and zionists on both sides if the Atlantic to have virulently anti-German racialist views. It wasn't that the Allies were anti-racist; they were extremely anti-German racists. Many even expressed this in "exterminationist" terms, including Churchill.
>>17367330>extreme chauvinist against the Germans.lol that's an interesting way to put it>except that Hitler believed in the inclusion of the Anglos within the Germanic cultural and civilizational sphereyeh i didn't say that he invented race theory or eugenics but he added his own nonsense based on these frameworks
>>17367267Nevermind that this is an inaccurate translation and you are admiring the prose of the translator.I dont find it striking. Also the use of alliteration in the original german makes it come across as extremely trite because it is a literary device that screams of tabloids, especially when used in this context (playing something up for attention).
>>17365615>mandatelying schizo>but but but muh tranniesonly subhumans such as yourself burn books, destroy art and jump into some vaguely wagnerist Vernichtungskrieg, but I wouldn't expect a vaishyajeet to know this
>>17367284the jidf tranny stops making sense or it gets the gas again
>>17364533You know there's other primary sources about Nazism besides Hitler's autobiography?
>>17367489and?
>>17365615>Only 44% of the popular voteThat's not the win you think it is
>>17364467First half I had a good time reading. The autobiographical and journalistic parts about early 20th century Germany and Austria is fun to read. The second half which is more like a manifesto I found quite boring.
>>17367338Holy fucking based, especially the Hooten plan.Why didn’t the allies do this? Were they stupid?
>>17365529I don't see how people can read this and go "oh this is incoherent rambling, how could le Germans fall for this?" tripe for the 6 gorillionth time. This logic makes perfect sense and only comes from a sound mind.
>>17364467First part is Hitler’s early life story which is fairly compelling and well-written, second part is like a political manifesto and to-do list and is less coherent, this part is what tends to draw a lot of flak for Hitler’s prose.I read it as a teenager and found it less boring than commie theory honestly.>>17367224> if i scream and plug my ears the evil commie words can’t hurt mecalm down chuddy, we’re all reactionaries here
>>17364517This is directed at the catholic church.
It's quite dense and a bad read. You should listen to it on audiobook because he didn't write it down and simply told someone what to write down. He address this in the book. The first part is quite good and is just Hitler essentially doing a one man podcast. The second part is dry history of how to start your own national socialist party. Anyone saying not to read it is simply biased or couldn't finish it themselves.
Is this true that Hitler was a communist?
>>17368686>Is this true that Hitler was a communist?Ask the Strasser brothers and the "beefcake nazis" that died in the Night of Long Knives.
>>17364467>>17364468so basically mein kampf was just the an incel's incoherent screed borne out of sexual frustration and underachievement. were hitler alive 100 years later in the 2020s, he would have posted it on /pol/ and would have gotten other incels to reply screeching "LE BASED!!!!!!!!!!!" and screencap it and spam it on other boards.
