Why did the Aryans of the Bronze Age (and therefore Iron Age) drastically reduce their height until they were literal manlets? looking at some skulls (mainly bell beakers) I noticed how the robustness of the skulls also eventually decreased to the point that they stopped being doli and became brachi. perhaps it was the advent and large-scale application of agriculture of Aryan cultures? marriage with several EEF women? Proto-Indo-Iranians like Syntashta had it at 1.69/1.70.... what caused this? It's interesting how incredibly low CWC is.
>>17406106Short men are superior to tall ones.Gene editing is going to be used to make all men pygmy sized, while turning all women into towering amazons.
>>17406106that reduction in height is not linked to farmbug ancestry, we have for example the Iron Age Britons with their almost 45% steppe and were extremely short or unetice with their 48/50% steppe and were literal manlets, with their 1.70 and some with 1.67. was probably selected
>>17406106>>17406110compare the height of the old italics, similar to the IEs and they had low steppe.the steppe=chad 1.80 meme must die. fucking GAC were louder than CWC
>>17406119>>17406106>>17406106>1.63>1.68 LMAOyou guys look like women
>>17406110>was probably selectedRetarded?
>>17406110some Celts were quite tall. the Rhine region mainly
>>17406106>perhaps it was the advent and large-scale application of agriculture of Aryan cultures? marriage with several EEF women?undoubtedly. the skeletal structure changed when the Aryans entered Europe and mixed with the farmers. the northern height was selected and probably originates among the SHGs
>>17406119You EEF "chad'
retarded amateurs, there are several factors....Marriages with people of different genetic origins, Founder effect and loss of genetic diversity, Diet poor in essential nutrients, Epidemics and chronic diseases, Climate change and adverse conditions etcI can also mention Migrations and Displacements to unfavorable areas. These factors contributed to the reduction in the average height of Indo-European peoples.
>>17406181Of course, but it's not like in the steppe of Ukraine or Mongolia they have everything at their disposal. 60% of what you mentioned was found in the Aegean and I'm talking about settled people, and no one was a super giant. But I don't deny that it has an influence.
>>17406106Wft? 1.68?
Instead of separating height into races and times and regions, it’s easier to divide it by wealth.People born into greater wealth are taller and healthier on average. This is true now. This was true back then. For the most part. The tallest countries in the world today are also the wealthiest (at least in terms of nutrition). The only exceptions to this seem to be parts of Africa such as the Dinkas in Sudan.So yes, genetics matter, but as far as height goes, people, overall don’t seem to be that genetically different. For instance, the Standard Deviation for height in most countries (regardless of the actual mean height) is roughly 5cms. Not a crazy difference here. In a crowd of men all from the same nation, their heads will all be in about the same place, with outliers of course.Historically, nobles were taller than peasants. Why? Nobles ate better. They were healthier. It seems to require a lot of protein and good nutrition to take a man to his genetic limit in size. So much so that it seems the majority of humans to live for the last few thousand years did not ever reach their genetic potential. It’s arguably if most people even reach it today (in the USA). Obviously most third world people do not reach it.In a perfect world where every man had access to the nutrition to reach his genetic peak, what would the average height be? I’m not sure, but I’d honestly guess 6’2”.Btw, I’m 5’10”, and I had some serious health issues growing up. My son is healthier and tracking to be about 3in taller than me, but we’ll see. I really don’t care how tall he is so long as he breaks 6’0”.
Height is driven by both sexual selection and nutrition. Today we see roasts going after literal giants in comparison to our ancestors. What do you think it's gonna happen? Men will keep getting taller. On the other hand, men tend to sexually select for short women. Female driven sexual selection increases height and male driven sexual selection decreases height. Inbreeding has something to do with it as well since that's the only way to explain the tall height of Balkanoids while suffering from dysgenics.
>>1740639790% nutrition
>>17406383>People born into greater wealth are taller and healthier on average. Nice giant text!Afanasievo were starving poor with less than 2000 people and were 1.80 or 1.76, Mesopotamians and Anatolics did not go hungry and had civilization and on average, they were 1.60 and something>muh elite le slaveI'm talking about the bones of elite people.
>>17406409this anon completely ignored this. it will call an exception
>>17406106Well, I'm not surebut starting from the premise that this decrease happened in the middle of the bronze age and at the end, and was exactly when the increase in ANF ancestry reached its peak in the IEs, I believe it could make sense.
>>17406397You’re slightly incorrect. All data shows men do not care that much about a woman’s height. It’s like 5th on the list of male priorities when selecting a mate. Height is literally the #1 trait in female selection. Not kidding either. Height is literally the #1 most selected individual trait by females.Additionally, women most prefer men who rank around the 90th percentile in height (aka taller than everybody else). Men, when asked to describe the ideal height for a woman, say somewhere around 5’5”, which is like 50th percentile in the USA. Aka, women like men who are unusually tall. Men like women who are literally dead average in height.Also, an anecdote on zoomies being tall. I’ve noticed that an average man (5’10”) and an average woman (5’5”) almost also produce a son that is at least 6’0”. I am using USA stats, and this is just my personal observations. Every short zoomie I know has at least one short parent. Average + average = Tall, which means eventually “Tall” becomes average.
>>17406433This isn't a coomer thread Get lost. We are talking about IEs, not women or "famale body"
>>17406433women are not selecting this, Adonis>>17406106>bell beakersOnly the 2000 BC bell beakers were "real" ones. The rest were basically some random EEF larping as aryans. Check-out the Hallstatt height
>>17406404https://neutralhistory.com/the-average-height-of-medieval-knights-peasants-vikings/>Medieval Peasants were on average 168-170cm (5`6.14 to 5`6.93 ft) tall. Due to better nutrition during childhood, knights were a little bit bigger at an average height of 172-174 cm (5`7.72 to 5`8.5 ft), a wiry build, and an average bodyweight of around 143 lb (65 kg). Today the average height of a US-American is 5`9 ft (175 cm).Literally only a few cms of difference. There's no way to explain the massive height of modern Europeans without accounting for sexual selection and hormonal disruptions.
>>17406106The same height of modern indians. Very based
I'm sure it's just coincidence that the Mongols who fucked a ton of bitches are manlets compared to the feminist Koreans.
>>17406530So? EEF women fault? BtwMen like feminine girls... compare the EEF ones with the steppe ones. By god.
We don't even fully understand why modern populations have become this tall (nutrition is insufficient to account for it) so it's hopeless to attempt to explain the height of past populations.
>>17406634Genetic
>>17406383> Historically, nobles were taller than peasants. Bullshit the average height of a knight was 170cm and they were the most loaded with nutrients and exercise. Height is just an ornament like wavey vs straight hair it’s selected for in feminist countries because women find it sexually attractive similar to how men find big firm boobs attractive. Height has nothing to do with health , boys who do gymnastics shrink while boys who play basketball grow it all depends on what you do not how healthy it is or not. Tall people less healthy in old age on average
>>17406689>Basketball makes you tallerManlet brain at work.
>>17406766This is what humans are going to be like in a few years, but the men will be a little smaller and have hair
Corded Ware is too broad a horizon and was notably less fed than earlier steppe. We know that Nordic Late Neolithic Cordeds had an average height of 5'11 for example. Steppe folk had the genes, but that is not everything
>>17406106the only advantage to height in a world without modern gyms and bodybuilding is that you have a longer digestive tract and better caloric efficiency like cattle. This is why the tallest people historically have been from calorie-bereft regions like deserts, steppe, and tundra.
>>17406383>People born into greater wealth are taller and healthier on average. This is true now. This was true back then. For the most part. The tallest countries in the world today are also the wealthiest (at least in terms of nutrition). The only exceptions to this seem to be parts of Africa such as the Dinkas in Sudan.wealthy bronze age warrior kings tended to clock in at around 5'8"melee warfare seems to favor this size of human male. height correlates historically with ancestry in calorie bereft regions (like Sudan).
>>17407879We accept your concession Your chad manlets lost
>>17407879>but that is not everythingits 90%
>>17407940Manlets won. Did you mistype
>>17406106wtf is this chart? it's not to scale at all
>>17406106Do we have data on torso length and wrist circumferences?In general limb length is less hereditary than torso and wrist circumference seems to be very heritable proxy for height. So if what happens is that their torso shortens it's natural selection. If their limbs shorten it's nutrition.As for the skull structure it's just domestication.
>>17406106I am white and taller than the leftmost figure. Shortness comes from ugliness, which is from non-whiteness.
>>17406106It's because of mixing with farmers. By the time of Bronze Age it was all muddled, so you have those Hallstatt samples with like 55% farmer ancestry, but really tall.
>>17406106They clearly had the genes for tall height so it's probably a lack of protein in early european aryans for whatever reason
>>17408666Okay, the tallest guys from Iron Age South Germany: 180 cm.HOC001 (Hochdorf chief)Steppe - 37WHG - 12Farmer - 49APG001 (second richest grave):steppe - 39WHG - 11farmer - 49
>>17406766That’s actually true, playing basketball as a kid spurs growth while doing gymnastics as a kid does the opposite.
>>17408102>it's not to scale at allSeething
>>17408666NoSee here>>17408650
>>17406634>We don't even fully understand why modern populations have become this tallSexual selection, you fucking retard. You think the "tall guys are hot" meme being present in every culture on Earth is just a coincidence?
>>17408841That doesn't explain any questions I've posed.
>>17408916That would require no short women or men reproducing at all, yet almost everyone married and reproduced over the past few hundred years.The actual reason is just nutrition which is why average heights aren't increasing anymore and haven't been for several decades.
>>17406106>Why did the Aryans of the Bronze Age (and therefore Iron Age) drastically reduce their heightMixing with indigenous Europeans, regression to the mean.
>>17409478>yet almost everyone married and reproduced over the past few hundred yearsThat's hilariously false. The most used stats say that the historical average is 40% of men reproduced and 80% for women.
>>17409966It was not the case that one man was marrying two or more women in europe or America for the past few hundred years. The spike in height only happened within the last century, where there was no polygamy and almost everyone (Ober 95% of both sexes) married and reproduced. You're actually retarded
>>17409978>Ober 95% of both sexesI would really like to see the source for this
>>17406448>Only the 2000 BC bell beakers were "real" ones. The rest were basically some random EEF larping as aryans.The culture (or phenomena, whatever) started among EEF in Iberia. CWC branched into it, also in Iberia where it spread to the east rapidly. It was a synthesis of EEF and IE from the beginning or some time after that when R1b began to rape them and swapped out their CWC axes for daggers and bows in their kits. The EEF male lineages likely lingered but suffered because they were on a constant cycle of urbanization and urban collapse for many centuries prior, likely due to plague based on recent papers. And in the case of Aryanization it was likely plague + getting raided or subjected by young steppe warrior-herder bands. The successful EEF groups had also resorted to rural herding in many pockets, hence, the Beaker phenomena being so uniformly adopted throughout western and central Europe.
>>17406106Steppe bvlls had too much sex with the 1.40 European women
>>17408837Seething from what? Thinking the lower heights should be much shorter?
>>17406133Correct. The Romans described the Celts and Gauls as very tall with large rippling robust bodies and milky skinned.
>>17406110Height is a marker of female sexual selection.We know that Aryans were pretty matriarchal because not only did they allow women to engage in direct warfare, but also because women were shared comunally by the men of the tribe, yet the children were reckoned to belong to whatever house the mother was originally from.
When women were given the vote the average height of Dutch men skyrocketed.
>>17410345Hypergamy leads to inceldom and gigantismDwarf uprising when?You can see this among animals where they’ll have massive horns etc they sacrifice function for form
>>17410345it's quite obviously mostly due to nutrition, but I'm open to the fact that some former and most future increases in average height are due to natural selection for taller males
>>17411787>>17412031See>>17406108
>>17409966>The most used stats say that the historical average is 40% of men reproduced and 80% for women.Can you please stop repeating this lie? There was only one period in all of human history where that was the case. Just 1.
>>17412031No? Afanasievo lived on the steppe and didn't have as much variety and preposition of food as the guys in the Aegean
>>17406108Tiny WHG men and tall Aryan amazons
>>17410333The only recorded instance of this happening was in India where European men had 10 wives and dynasties needed to be designated by female.
>>17412169>why would populations living in completely different climates have different average heights
>>17412083nta but people have been giving wildly different numbers in this thread and nobody is posting any sourceI don't know shit about the subject and have no idea who to believe
>>17406106putting aside your retarded use of aryan, its likely diet. you need maximum animal products (dairy and meat) growing up to max out your height potential. less milk and meat = shorter. simple as.
>>17410206stay mad JEW
>>17412169its not about variety, its meat and dairy. animal products growing up are required for genetic max height potential to be reached.
>>17406119>>17406125GAC weren’t farmers you stupid apes.Tired of this >GAC = EEF GAC were WHG, some of these GAC guys were literally 65% WHG.Stop designating them racial farmers. They didn’t even farm. Their staples consisted of fish, huntable, herded animals, and some grains. They probably ate more meat than steppe groups. They were racially WHG far more than anything else.
>>17412270I accept your concession
