Why was woman virginity valued so much in the past?
Paternity uncertainty
I don't understand incel logic.> no I don't want other dude girlfriend! D:> no someone wanted my GF and now I'm cucked! D:You are either cuck or doing cucking, brother.
>>17410259> hey man, want my old tradition?> um, i'll passTRADFAGS BTFO
>>17410259>women are objectsIncels are so fucking braindead. Enjoy being perma-virgins and/or trooning out in desperation you dysgenic retards kek
>>17410259It has magical properties. Why do think occultists and billionaires are so obsessed with deflowering women and will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for it?
There was no cure for venereal disease, also women with more previous partners are more likely to cheat and cuckold you, even today there is a risk of both. If you are going to invest years of your only life into someone it helps to make a careful decision.>>17410270In the past bride and groom were more often virgins, if not it was because the groom got the bride pregnant and the parents hurried through the marriage.>>17410275Who is jizzing on my traditions?>>17410287I take it you mean "object" in the sense of "objectifying women". Women's bodies are very much a part of the material world and can be infected with disease, also their minds are not tabula rasa clean slates.
>men spend every waking moment thinking about being cucked and the idea of watching other men fuck their gf/wifethis is when i lost all respect for m*les. what a sad neurotic gender.
>>17410326> Who is jizzing on my traditions?Pedophilic priests in church. :|
>>17410326> it helps to make a careful decision.How can you make an informed decision without having sex with a person? I mean, imagine marrying a girl and then finding out that you are sexually incompatible, not in the libido sense, but that your penis is too big and it's hurting her.
>>17410326>I take it you mean "object"Autism - the post
>>17410307This is true. This is why I recruit verified virgins for my sex magic when I cast curses upon international jewry and Mossad.
>>17410287Women ARE objects to men who constantly fuck women though
>>17410441Be careful, you don't want to have an astral battle with YHWH.
So are there femanons posting on this board?
>>17410481always has been
>>17410349>sexually incompatibleNot really a thing. Every penis works with every vagina. It's just some shit that guys try to say, to trying to justify them sleeping with as many women as possible.>your penis is too big and it's hurting herFirst, your penis isn't big enough, so you won't ever have to worry about that. Second, the vagina expands during arousal. Unless you have some sort of baseball bat girth(which you don't), you'll never have a problem.>How can you make an informed decision without having sex with a person?This is just some shit that gets said, to try and sleep with as many women as possible.
>>17410270>muh incels98% of men were incels back then?
>>17410569Many of them were, only 30% of men historically reproduced.
>>17410555>Not really a thing.it is. you're a virgin that's never been in a relationship so ofc you think it's just some buzzphrase to "justify them sleeping with as many women as possible"
>>17410555>Every penis works with every vaginaThe mark of a true virgin KEK
>>17410571That's not truehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2833377/
>>17410259Any possible evolutionary explanations?
>>17410589>Women wont feel/sufferWhy is that the man's problem?Women orgasm isnt neccesary for reproduction.>Inb4 small penis20 cm
>>17410259Only way to be sure about male-lineage paternity which was important for inheritance and sucession. Don't want some cuckbaby inheriting your estate so female sexuality had to be kept on a leash.>>17410349In most of history the decision wasn't yours to make, it was arrangements between families.
>>17410465That's cause they get away with it, not because it is moral truth. Ask bubba at the local prison what man ass is to him.
>>17411157>In most of history the decision wasn't yours to make, it was arrangements between families.Only for the upper classes, where yes it was extremely important. The vast majority of people were marrying for love. After all what property holdings or political alliances can a serf make plans for?
>>17410582I've been in many, and was almost married. I've read and watched enough of the red-pill stuff, to know that the entire conversation on testing sexual compatibility, is just a way to rationalize why you should sleep with as many women as you can, while also saying that guys should get married or have exclusive relationships. You get the best of both worlds. Only, it's all a lie and a grift.Your dick ain't special or unique, and her vagina isn't special or unique.You just want to sleep around, while still being thought of as a good person. I say, just admit that your goal is to sleep with as many women as you can, and don't worry about the judgment that you're already getting. There's lots of easy women. Just stop lying to everyone, that it's anything else.>>17410589What's inaccurate? You're not packing a baseball bat girthed dong. Any fertile male is able to impregnate any fertile female. You're also not packing a 12 inch dong, where you need to worry about her cervix causing your dong to bend.In those rare cases, where the dong girth or length is exceptionally far to the right side of the distribution bell curve, there's nothing more needed than a conversation with a girl. She's already going to gynecologists. Whatever concern you have, can be checked by her doctor, if you're worried about the length from the labia, through the introitus, and to the cervix.Just admit that you want to sleep with as many women as you can, and give up the delusion that you're also able to be whatever notion of a "gentleman' that you have.
>>17411189>The vast majority of people were marrying for love.No they weren't. The entire idea of courtship comes from knights wanting to bang married women. Even poorfag marriages were utilitarian.>After all what property holdings or political alliances can a serf make plans for?You'd still be paying some sort of endowment to the father. It'd just be considerably less than richfags.There's a reason that only 40% of men ever reproduced. The poorest 40% weren't able to afford it.
>>17410263>Paternity uncertaintyThis is basically it. Locking down women’s sexuality colectively was a requirement to ensure you didn’t raise a hidden bastard. It still happened, of course, and still does.
>>17410349>sexually incompatibleBiggest meme of the millennia. You have matching genitals I am sure. If you both lost some weight, exercised and tried to guide each other you would be very 'compatible' I am sure.
>>17411193>Any fertile male is able to impregnate any fertile female. You're also not packing a 12 inch dong, where you need to worry about her cervix causing your dong to bend.Uh, the term “boyfriend” size is a thing. Some men are genuinely too big for some women, and even if it’s good for the one-time, it might not be ideal for regular use. Hence, women deem some exceptionally large men as “one-night stand” material, and men who are slightly less large have “boyfriend dick.”Additionally, pussies come in many sizes, and less endowed men may prefer a smaller, tighter female. >Hurr 95% of men are between 4-6inYes, and 95% of men are below 6’3”. Exceptionally large men are out there, and they’re not exactly super special either. A 7in, girthy cock is probably more common than even being 6’3”+. I’m shorter than that, and my cock is pretty big (not saying height and dicks are correlated).
>>17411229>A 7incher is more common than being 6foot 3inchesThe absolute state of porn addicted incels
>>17411203>Courting people was invented in the Middle Ages of Europe. No one had ever before thought of the idea of romanceKnights were part of the nobility retard. Of fucking course the stories about them are about not being able to be with who you love. This literally proves you wrong.
>>17411231A 7in dick really isn’t that uncommon man. It’s well above average, sure. But it’s not breaking any records.That’s like saying a men’s 14 shoe doesn’t exist. You won’t typically find them in stores, but you can get almost every shoe in a 14 online.
>>17411258As opposed to 6'3 men who are born once a millennia.
>>17411193>fertile male>fertile femaleOk you aspie retard, time to put the keyboard down.
>>17411465He is right though.
>>17411177women don't care about 'moral truth' my dudethat's a man thing
>Hey dude, do you want that mattress that regularly gets piss and blood on itGreat metaphor
>>17411469Samefag harder, aspie
>>17411193>Your dick ain't special or unique, and her vagina isn't special or unique.sexual compatibility is way more than just dick size. and again the fact you've been fixating on that tells me you are a virgin with 0 relationship experience. i've never been hiking in japan so i'm not going to give any advice on the best places to hike while there. you need to stop doing the same with relationships.
>>17411766King hands typed this.
>>17411231That's literally true
>>17411462>As opposed to 6'3 men who are born once a millennia.I know you’re trying to make a joke or something, but 6’3” is like 98th percentile for height in the USA. A 7in dick is also like 98th percentile.And I think both those stats are outdated. I’d say 6’3” is probably like 95th percentile now, same with a 7in dick.
>>17412096>USAFull of spicoids. Yeah sure, I am not surprised actually.
>>17412096Only incel faggots are obsessed with height and dick size to this degree kek
>>17411223Turbovirgin reply. You can always spot a virgin because you people always think sex is basically like masturbation but with your dick in a vagina.
>>17410270It's very simple - women having sex with more than one man is bad, with exceptions for things like if they're doing surrogacy or if their husband died. It's bad when men do it too but not as bad because skeeting in somebody is obviously different from getting skeeted in. It's not difficult to understand.
>>17410263This along with before modern medicine getting an STD would be a much bigger deal
>>17412360Nigger, it's not nuclear physics. Even cavemen can do it.
>>17412532Reinforcing the point. It's also why chronic masturbators and pornsick guys are bad at sex btw, they're too focused on pumping and cooming.
>>17412334>Full of spicoidsAre you implying spics have big cocks or something?
>>17412342>Only incel faggots are obsessed with height and dick size to this degree kekSays the virgin that’s pretending tall dudes with big cocks are some kind of mythical creature lol. Cope more ig, cuz you’re talking to one rn.
>>17410259The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. In a world before reliable contraceptives and modern medical treatments of STDs a cheating/promiscuous wife was a great way to find yourself with crotch-rot and raising some other guys kids. In addition to that family life is often rather stressful, and the psychological tool we've evolved to help deal with that (i.e. love) is something that is basically only possible with sexual and emotional exclusivity, and a mentally/emotionally fucked up slut is a much riskier prospect for that life. Promiscuity is a 'luxury behaviour' that can only be maintained in highly wealthy and stable societies which can deal with the problems it causes. Amusingly it's also one of the many things that can weaken such a society until it's no longer able to support the behaviour. >tl;dr - promiscuity is selfish, self sabotaging, destructive behaviour; and even if previous generations couldn't articulate that clearly they seem to have grasped it intuitively for all of recorded history.
>>17412598You wouldn't be making this post if you actually were one.
>>17412868>Bro, only real alphas are tall and hung bro. You gotta have that sigma mentality bro>Yeah, I’m an alpha sigma bro>no, I’m not tall or hungNumber one way to spot an incel. They think dudes with desirable genetics have some kind of character trait or behavior or some shitNewsflash, you Andrew Tate faggot. It’s fucking random. A dice roll of the universe. I didn’t do anything to become tall just like you didn’t do anything be a small-dicked manlet with some weird alpha male complex. I swear, Tatefaggots live in a different universe.Guess what, my parents are both kinda tall. I’ve been kinda tall since elementary school. Me learning basic statistics didn’t make me any shorter.There’s dudes on Reddit that are 6’5” with 8in cocks who wear diapers and eat the shit and piss out of the diaper. Why do you think having a big dick comes with some kind of manosphere alpha male computer program that uploads directly to your brain? I swear, everybody on this website is a fucking retard and gets all their information from TikTok. I just volunteered at an event for mentally disabled people at my local church. There was some old, disabled dude that was taller than me. I guess he’s a fucking alpha male because being 6’2” apparently changes your fucking brain chemistry according to poltards.Like holy shit, go outside. Being tall isn’t that unusual. Andrew Tate is not the only tall nigger in the world.
>>17412923Kek pretty accurate. I used to work with a virgin in his 40s who was like 6'8. The guy had great potential - nice face and looked 10 years younger than he really was. The issue was that he was a dumb sperg with shitty social skills, a grating personality and none of the usual intelligence buffs that tend to come along with high functioning autism. Transport the average guy into that body and he'll be drowning in pussy, meanwhile this guy achieved wizard status before some people itt were even born.
>>17412944Yeah, kinda similar. We had this dude in my highschool who genuinely looked like Wreck-It Ralph. He was chill, and we even called him Ralph. He didn’t care.He was like 6’4”, obese, and definitely undiagnosed autistic. Weirdly enough, he was actually crazy smart. He also got no pussy.Poltard incels act like being tall turns you into Chris Hemsworth and solves all your problems. They’re genuine basement dweller retards. There’s probably a 6’4” dude working in every Wal-Mart in the country.
>>17412923Holy rent free
>>17412592No? Why are you obsessed with big cocks you faggot? I am implying you are mongrel mutts that are short.
>>17410259it still is and always will be
This whole "certainty of lineage" thing makes zero fucking sense to me. So, after you fuck her the first time, then what? Assuming she even gets pregnant that first time — which is not a biological guarantee — this only ensures your first child is yours. Are you fucking a new virgin every time you have a child? Idiotic.The obsession with virginity seems to come from two places: pedophilia (it's a great excuse to fuck children and teenagers) and the desire to suppress women's sexuality.This is why societies should be matrilineal. Men are insecure, and their ideas are based on that insecurity. The majority of science and technology was created by them, but in most cases, by men who lived in matrilineal households. The "autistic lone wolf scientist who invents everything by himself" is a serious anomaly in history and barely worth a mention (all Carlyle great man faggotry in general included).
>>17410259I think the more relationships you have the more desensitized you get toward being in love.I definitely feel it in my life.
>>17412923Na this is pretty retarded. How you look and what your parents are like are probably the biggest things that determine how others treat you and how you develop self confidence and social skills. Its not random at all.
>>17413916Women of course are famously not afflicted with insecurity.
>>17410481No women on the internet
>>17413916woman or bait
>>17414068>Guys being tall isn’t randomRetard alert.
>>17414731But, it isn't technically random though. It's genetics
>>17413916>Are you fucking a new virgin every time you have a child? Idiotic.The idea is that if you are the only man to ever fuck her, she is less likely to go fuck another dude during the marriage. This, of course, isn’t true because they still had to stone women for doing so, fairly often.In the modern day, it’s pointless. My family was raised in a literal religious cult (literally on the government’s list of cults). My uncle and aunt got married as virgins at 19. She still cheated on him with a dude in a wheelchair. Tradtards BTFO.Such is life.
>>17414740>Genetics aren’t randomSo how did you get your genetics, you fucking dipshit?
>>17410259Men should be virgins too, but it's even a bigger deal for women to stay virgins because once women ruin sanctity of sex by using it as pleasure it loses its godly purpose. Which means if you have had sex already, sex without purpose there is no future behind that intimacy, and deep down in women's psyche there has to be a future. Men should stay virgins too because it's bad to defile women when you don't want to grant them a future with you, but we are wired to care less about as we can have thousands of offspring and don't need women to feel safe . Run around fucking shit out while lives. Women need that future because they need men to feel safe and make the kids feel safe.To put in short terms it's because of religion. I also believe that it's not bad to marry a non virgin that is a widow or has to divorce. The bible makes a lot of sense of you believe in hunter gathers too and how we used to live.
>>17414771>women ruin sanctity of sex by using it as pleasure it loses its godly purpose.This is what incels actually believe. Kek.
>>17414771>godly purpose
>>17414743I personally know three different families where the wife was the submissive little tradwife until all the husband's bullshit became too much to tolerate. You can usually see the signs early on in other kinds of marriages, but these tradwifes who marry hyperreligious chuds hold it all in until they snap and suddenly file for divorce.
>>17410259It is still valued in the present.
>>17414841>but these tradwifes who marry hyperreligious chuds hold it all in until they snap and suddenly file for divorce.or in the case of my extra catholic grandparents: get an annulment so you don't have to go through the public shame of a divorce and sleep in different bedrooms for 40 years
>>17410259Doesn't follow logically. Skeeting(ejaculating) is not something your meant to do on a computer/mattress/couch, it is something you can do to your girlfriend and you would be using her properly.The equivalent should be just a used computer/mattress/couch in a normal way. Nobody would have an issue with that framing. Unless the focus here is not whether or not it was used but that it was ejaculated on at some point. In that case you don't need to lay multiple examples about used items and just say you don't like that other people came on your girl
>>17410337>>men spend every waking moment thinking about being cucked and the idea of watching other men fuck their gf/wifeWoman do the exact same, except when the fantasy dies down they stop caring about the relationship. They hate it when they're not at the verge of getting cheated on
>>17410259>In the past>>17410270Reminder only fat cunts and dysgenic jews call anyone Incel.>>17410337Odd, because you're a male jew.
>>17414975reminder that only faggot incels call anyone jewish
>>17414975kek, incel gets trigerred.
>>17410270?Nothing incel in that ‘toss
>>17413916>The majority of science and technology was created by them, but in most cases, by men who lived in matrilineal households.name these men. i am curious. last I checked most inventors either had their own family, were funded by a rich person or family and friends or were poor. I don't recall one living in their mother's home.
>>17414784>god makes sex feel good>BUT HE DOESNT WANT YOU TO DO IT, STOP DOING IT YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TOWhy are they like this?
>>17415404They turned to Christianity to cope with the virginity issue with the “don't have sex before marriage” line (they also hate marriage btw).
>>17411189>The vast majority of people were marrying for love.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5C-cqw2s00this isn't possible because until feminism majority of women were second-class citizens who couldn't vote, inherit property or had other restrictions on them. Let's also not forget all the social economic class roadblocks people had. In a world where no-fault divorce didn't exist, you lived and died within less than a 100Km circle from where you were born if you were poor, dating didn't exist and women were effectively legally retarded marrying for love would be like saying a vast majority of people in the past used to do wage labor and choose their dream job. https://www.stevemoretti.ca/post/the-history-of-love-in-marriage
>>17415449>Coontz says that love in marriage is not nearly as universal as we might think. Up until the last few centuries, it was not only highly unusual, but also considered a threat to the existing social order. In contrast, and just to make things more complicated, a variety of churches and governments over the last millennium recognized love (or perhaps consensual lust) as a key ingredient in defining a ‘licit’ marriage. something that anyone who knew anything about the subject and its history already knew. but not the incel tourists here who don't give a shit about history and just want to vomit their regressive /pol/troon bullshit all over the place and make everyone else miserable.
>>17415404>>17415410ITT fat sluts who fuck whoever's drunk enough after the bar shuts down seething at men who don't find them attractive.Poetry.
>>17414841>I personally know three different families where the wife was the submissive little tradwife until all the husband's bullshit became too much to tolerate. You can usually see the signs early on in other kinds of marriages, but these tradwifes who marry hyperreligious chuds hold it all in until they snap and suddenly file for divorce.Yep, happens all the time. Poltards never consider what it’s like to be a submissive little tradwife when your husband is a fucking loser. It’s not even their fault cuz I’ve seen these girls get married off at like 19, and hubby hasn’t even had a big boy job yet. How are you supposed to know how he’ll handle adult life? They just tell these bitches>Find a nice, Christian man with a prayer journal and everything will work outAnd before you know it, your life is at the mercy of some dude you met at Bible Camp.So now you’re little miss tradwife for a dude who flunks out of community college and wants to be a youth pastor. Oh, and he has a porn problem. And he starts hitting you because he’s a little man with no control over his life. And your trad fantasy even dissolves cuz he can’t pay the bills, so now you’re working a part-time shitter job. And you gotta remind your kid’s to respect daddy cuz the Bible says so even though deep down you don’t respect daddy either.And then you watch your own children grow up to be piece of shit losers with mightier-than-thou mentalities just like daddy.Uh oh, new problem: Your youth pastor husband has been diddling a middle schooler. Daddy gets fired, but no charges are pressed. Your whole family, your whole life, your whole lineage is a fucking embarrassment. Is it time to give up your convictions and divorce your godly husband?No, you stick by his side, and he joins a new, crazier church that’s willing to overlook those accusations from that godless middle school slut.In case you were wondering, yes, this is a specific person I am writing about.
>>17416218At least those people get laid, lmfao.
>>17414731No it isn't. Are you ok bro?
>>17416284Uh oh, another incel retard that can’t defend his position.
>>17410259
>>17410349is your penis bigger than a whole fucking newborn baby wtf
>>17416247>MLMMarxism–Leninism–Maoism?
>>17416523I just read that whole diatribe and it was in the pic. MLM stands for Multi-Level Marketing. A pyramid scheme.
I love showing girls who only had experience with losers what a real dick feels like.
>>17410259>"Sell me this pen."That's all there is to it.
>>17416546this is the way
>>17410259>Want this bowl of cheerios?>48 other dudes skeeted in it
>>17415397The majority of inventors aren't named in history books. They just work in labs. As someone who has extensive experience working in labs, the majority of men there are certainly masculine, but they stem from female-dominated households (like myself). It's almost like a prerequisite for going into the sciences, and that's not a bad thing.
>>17416792incels really do be thinking sperm just sits in the womb for all eternity. just knows how little they know about the vagina and women in gneral. inb4 one of you links me that schizo bullshit about women inheriting the genes from previous guy's sperm.
>>17416890> women inheriting the genes from previous guy's sperm.How else do you explain black children being born to a white father who vouched for his faithful wife (so there was no affair)?
>>17416890no, it's just funny that cucks like you think there's nothing wrong with eating a bowl of Cheerios after 48 dudes jizzed in it.The real problem that non-cucked men actually care about is loyalty and commitment. Women who have lots of casual sex don't value long-lasting relationships and are significantly more likely to cheat and/or divorce.
>>17417028I wouldn't eat a bowl of cheerios that is bleeding every month either.
>>17417028> a bowl of Cheerios after 48 dudes jizzed in it.Is it any different than a bowl of Cheerios in which one dude jizzed 48 times?As I see it, the only logical course of action is to fuck virgins and dump them.
lot of cucks itt
>>17417188cuck and proud
>>17410474whoever Catholics follow the dominant astral figure over the jewish demon.
>>17412360>>17412544this is a woman who doesnt know how to do sex, she lays there and chad goes to town, she leaves feeling unfulfilled but tells herself "its part of my story" to cope.youre just a whore, lady.
>>17414743>isn’t true because they still had to stone women for doing so, fairly often.source? whats the data on this? were 10% of women stoned?
>>17414747from your parents who got it from their parents, it isnt random.
>>17416910the bitch just cheated, nothing more to it. the vagina is actually extremely hostile to sperm and kills off much of it. it doesn't hang around there dormant.
>>17414771Wise man speaks, listen up retards
>>17417413Newer studies showed that microchimerism can occur in sexually active women
Personally I just don’t like the thought of a girl I love having had sex with some other guy. To me it devalues our bond. I think virgin pairing is the right idea.
>>17418010go ahead and link them
>>17418015/thread
>>17410259People weren't ok with being cucks back then, now it's a normal humiliation ritual. The modern man is a massive cucked faggot.
>>17413916Retard or bait call it
>>17418425Not a refutation. Cry harder.
