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>lifelong leftychud
>see communism once
>its awful
>debunks it once and for all with a toon book about talking barnyard animals (as serious a response as it deserved)
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>>17411027
He also hated the Catholic Church and its disciples with a passion.
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>>17411027
>defending this fucking pussy
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>>17411027
he was just a contrarian without real values, like most chuds.
>holds political ideologue opposite of status quo because I'm not le NPC
>enter system case where the ideologies are reversed
>find that the status quo isn't any different if you switch the people on top
>surprise pikachu face
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>>17411027
He was a Trotskyist and Animal Farm is a Trotskyist book
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>>17411027
based
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>>17411027
>sees communism once
>never visited a socialist country
cope harder franko
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>ITT: Eurotards defending their Marxist socities
Once again, Communism never fucking works.
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>>17411027
the book was about Britain which is the most totalitarian country on Earth now after North Korea, but very close
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>>17412062
no it wasn't you queer. it was set in a fictional English farm but as an allegory for the Soviet Union. stop being ridiculous.
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>>17411027
>thinks critiquing stalin is critiquing communism
can anybody refer to me marx's government structure?
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>>17412099
it's baked in. communism has only ever been implemented through authoritarian regimes because it is flawed in its very conception -economically and socially.
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>>17412130
Nah. Communism is a theory of revolution predicated on completely fallacious foundations. It has nothing to do with statecraft
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>>17411027
His early death kind it cut off the path he was evolving towards. Animal Farm is an allegorical retelling of Soviet history, but even then some hints of influence from a man Orwell wrote seething essay on starts to settle in it(especially at the end of it). 1984 is a polemic against... not communism. Not capitalism. Not fascist. Not Britain. Not the US. It's a polemic with O'Brian. Or as he was known irl. James Burnham. Once you see this you cannot unsee it. The world of 1984 is just the world in which everyone knows and acts according to the principles of power found in "The Machiavellians", the state is purely managerial, the small heavily professional militaries even more so. And the point Orwell is trying to make is that this world will be bad. And yet he believed it's inevitable as well. People think it's a book written to trash communism or try to damage control pretending its all totalitarianism or just stalinism, but fundamentally it's a sort of blackpilled protest against the state that Orwell saw as inevitably coming
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>>17412160
>theory of revolution
it's an economic theory too concerning the modes and means of production.
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>>17412184
that's just marx pretending he's intelligent
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>>17412184
There's really not that much innovation marxists have brought to the economy in their entire existence.
>Abloo ablooo
18th century French economists were already theorising scientifically managed centrally planned economy, just with the King at the head of it. Marxists just took it, theorised about implementation, applied it and coupled it with bad politics.
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>>17412130
>communism has only ever been implemented through authoritarian regimes
Try seizing the means of production through reformist legal means or starting a general strike and see how far it gets you in le heckin' free and open liberal societies.

Angloids are so classcucked they don't even try this thoghbeit so the bourgeois don't even have to call in the police/pinkertons to bash their heads in leading to a false perception that they wouldn't do anything about it if their class interests were in any real threat.
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>>17412062
Technically, North Korea doesn’t even have the lowest freedom index anymore. It was beaten out by Eritrea.
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Orwell book is all about how everything bad done by the USSR was caused by Stalin when in reality the soviet union needed and rewarded men like Stalin

Of course rightoids today are incapable of producing good art so a mediocre leftoid book is high art to them
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>>17412202
If Lenin had killed Stalin and Trotsky had taken power, the USSR would be the world’s leading superpower today.
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>>17412213
source?
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>>17412215
Icepick induced dying dreams
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>>17412213
>>17412213
The hinge point was the chain of decrepit party hack gerontocracy of proto-boomers afrer Khrushchev. Just like what's happening to the US now.
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>>17411027
>debunks it once and for all with a toon book about talking barnyard animals
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>>17412199
What happens in Eritrea exactly? I know about this but information is sparse
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>>17412947
99% of information about Eritrea out there comes through Ethiopian media. Ethiopia has a long running territorial dispute with Eritrea, even going to war over it, so what comes out of Ethiopian media is overblown because they hope they'll get some kind of foreign aid to invade it again. The country by itself is a banal shit boring police state, relatively clean and safe for Africa as a result of it.
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>>17412182
and that state is here in some respects. im thinking about the "clap for nhs" bullshit in england during covid
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>>17411036
Reading his articles during the war is interesting because he had a very perceptive eye towards how different fractions in British society were orienting towards the war, towards the Axis, towards the other Allies, and how they would change their positions or split and contradict themselves from what they were saying yesterday, and yes he did not like the Catholics.

>>17412182
Yeah the argument with Burnham is a good point. Burnham, for the kids who are reading this, believed capitalism was finished, but didn't think the working class would replace the capitalists and create a socialist society. Rather, a new class called the "managerial class" would win. Like administrators, superintendents, members of various commissions, bureaucrats with specialized technical knowledge who the capitalists originally hired to run their enterprises. It kind of reads like the dystopian movie "Brazil."
https://youtu.be/7xNnRBksvOU

>>17411374
I think he would've agreed with Trotsky's case against Stalin as representing the interests of the emerging Soviet bureaucracy.

>>17412234
Where do you think the decrepit party hack gerontocrats came from
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>>17411027
“That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell

OG Based Leftie?
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bump
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>>17416144
Leftists still think that. Rightoids just seethe because they believe only Israel should be armed.
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>>17411027
>copies Reymont and Kostomarov



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