Does might make right?
>>17417330"Right" from a legal and moral perspective? NoBut from a practical "it is what it is, deal with it" perspective? AbsolutelyAll of the most powerful, influential countries in the world have become powerful from their military might, and that is the rule of history. The USA, Russia, China, India, Brazil, all of them, they are powerful because they conquered others. And every weaker country that complains about this tried to do the same at some point. The rule of history is that the powerful will always triumph or try to triumph.
>>17417330Might does not make right,might is right,the only rights a man has are those rights he himself can win,or those whose might he answers to allow him to have.
>>17417330Yes. It's the objective morality in action.
no, this is nigger tier thinking
Yes. Which is why I have absolutely 0 sympathy for Europeans crying about the millions of musilms invading Europe, all without a fight. Might makes right, you either kill all your enemies like the turks did or perish away and became a satellite of greater powers, such as Germany or Japan
Yes. Any other answer is gigacope
>>17418558>>17418581>>17418645brown hands typed these posts
yeah definitely. any argument against it can be overturned with enough might. but might takes many forms and it's not always as simple as using violence
>>17417330that's the worst picture of the world
>>17417330It makes you alive when others would prefer otherwise. It makes you capable of enacting change, or preventing it. It doesn't make you correct, but it makes you stick around long enough to be wrong.
>>17417330no, which is why Westerners are going extinct.Right translates to Might, but if you fixate on Might and Might alone you lose right and thus with it goes the Might.>>17418494>>17418558this is why the jews have won
>>17418879Ai
>>17417330Someone stronger than you saying 2+2=5 doesnt make it true.The institutional power saying men get pregnant doesnt make it true.Ideologues do believe that maxim, hence them always trying to take power and force their nonsense into others, wanting a consensus of lies. Yet it always crumbles in time.
>>17417330when you are a full-on ape with no morals anything can be right if you want it to be.
>>17417330no it doesn'tfacts and logic don't care about your guns and spearssorry I win
>>17417330Does it make pedophilia right?
>>17419967I am fully convinced that so-called math is actually mental masturbation. The only thing it really allows us to do? Create meaningless symbols that confuse us. If we could somehow get rid of these symbols, all our problems would be solved. This is no different than most religions and their God. A bunch of made up nonsense that doesn’t even help us deal with the serious problems of life. If you think about it seriously, math is a dangerous pseudoscience that claims that 2 + 2 = 4. Who cares if we believe it or not? We still have bills to pay, families to feed, and shelter to provide. When was the last time you used this «equation» in your daily life? I guarantee you it will do you no good. Math is not some kind of truth, but a dangerous cult dating back to Plato and ancient Hellas. We need to leave it behind and move on to the more practical and useful science of mechanics, which can be applied to real world problems and which doesn’t use «computational» tricks to protect us from reality. Don’t lie to me about bitcoin and the digital age. Your abstract nonsense is only useful to confuse and mislead ordinary people and has no place in our world. Math is a historical mistake that has brought nothing but misery to humanity. Without useless mathematical nonsense, humanity could have developed much faster than it does now. We must get rid of math and its false knowledge.
>>17417330Can you be "good" if someone else is making all the decisions for you?
>>17417330No. Right invariantly emerges despite any attempts to interfere with might. There is convergent evolution at play that cant be overthrown. If it gets destroyed it just independently reeemerges because it is the best way to exist. No amount of force can overthrow boolean logic for example.
>>17419967"Right" doesn't mean correct in this context, it means you're able to enact your will onto others.
>>17417330Might doesn't make right, Might "is", it doesn't care for right an wrong. Beating a man to death with the number 5 won't make 2 + 2 = 5 but at the same time 4 isn't going to revive the dead man.
Might can help you win, but initiating force makes you wrong by any moral standard worth it's salt. Winning does not equal right, and losing does not equal wrong. Otherwise a nuke would be the only moral truth, and we're better than that.
>>17421497How do you determine how much money we have to pay for our bills if we can't cant using numbers?
>>17417330No, any society that actually adopts this as a motto will eventually collapse even if they win in the short term. In the long-run societies that believe in law and order will prevail as we have observed throughout history.
Does might make ethics? No. Does might make rule of law? Yes.
>>17421533Might itself doesnt do anything, by itself it is nonagentic. Might is limited by what is possible and real. Some might is wielded by humans, but the overwhelming vast majority is the might of nature.
>>17417330No, but right makes might and so might implies right.
>>17421584>Intentionally misunderstands boolean algebraNeck yourself you psychopath
>>17417341Might absolutely makes right from a legal perspective, but not from a moral perspective. Legal and moral are not the same. Dumbass.
>>17418581They are not invading in the classical sense, they are being used as human replacement capital by powers far more intelligent than them. Arabs are not the social darwinist masters here, they are history's losers who are now essentially tools. Also, if you hold this worldview, you would also hold that palestine deserves to be wiped out for not being strong enough, right?
>>17421497top tier brainlet shitposti kneel
>>17417330No. The Mongols collapsed. The only right they did was the Pax Mongolica.
>>17421533Basically this. There's no relationship between ethics and politics.
>>17417330not really but dont expect to achieve anything without grit.
>>17422248>b-but they are winning the wrong waysaid every extinct species ever
>>17419967>Someone stronger than you saying 2+2=5 doesnt make it trueActually it does, nerds like you will forever be dominated by alpha males who think using their testosterone and impressive muscles
Moral statements can't be empirically proven. They are only justified by reasoning, i.e. by rhetoric.Torture is wrong because you should treat others as you want to be treated. Torture is right because it's the right of the strong to treat the weak as they will. Neither of these statements is really non-factual. To prove one position is just a matter of coming up with some justification that sounds good. You might disagree with my moral claims and try to prove them false through your own rhetoric, but I can always just come up with more rhetoric to disprove your proof. Ad infinitum. It's just a game of putting words in order with no real win condition. This is why there is no progress in moral philosophy, like there is progress in science which is empirical.The only thing that matters then is power. The dominant power imposes its own rhetoric and its narratives and suppresses contradictory rhetoric. These narratives then flow down to the people through the institutions and become consensus. The people today believe that "might makes right" is an evil and wrong Nazi belief. But why? Because the Nazis lost. And the reason they lost was because ultimately they were not as good at war as the Allies. The Allies were better at killing Germans than the Germans were at killing Allies, which is the reason they are the ones that get to impose their rhetoric and not vice versa. In all societies everywhere the dominant narrative is the narrative of whoever are the best at gaining power, which is usually achieved by being the best at killing.
>>17423746>nerds like you will forever be dominated by alpha males...go on
>>17423762But what is power useful for? Besides the more of it you have, the higher a target in your back gets
>>17424012""""""power""""""" is umm... good for uhh"the meek shall inherit the earth" is something that's been happening for all of human history. Im sorry niggers, but "power" is only relevant so far as it keeps you or others safe. power to aggress* upon others (and exercised thereto) only makes you fair game to be destroyed.now, by "power" being bad I obviously dont mean that strength or self-defense are bad.
>>17424048But what even is power but a trick, a shadow on the wall?
>>17417330Is there ANY philosophy besides 21st century Europeanliberalism that actually believes being weak wins? Even Buddhists, Christians, and Jains recognize that the weak only win in the spiritual world and still get BTFO in the material one.Postmodern European liberalism might honestly be one of the most cucked ideologies to ever exist. Even the American strain of liberalism, with all its faults, knows that liberalism can only be upheld through violence and a country acting as the “Arsenal of Democracy.” For decades Europeans thought Russia would never attack them just because they were le nice. They think Muslims will stop beheading them for drawing Mohammed if they are just le nice to them and capitulate to their culture. Anyone who studies history knows that’s retarded. Really if that continent wasn’t just a glorified military base for the US, they’d be totally fucked and probably conquered by now.
>>17417330Might makes the opportunity to talk about rights
>>17424106I dunno anon, that sounds dangerously like something Marx would say
>>17424168>socialism
Are men really born equal though?
>>17425463All men are born equal, but some are born more equal than others.
>>17425620What makes an individual less equal than another? If the United Nations says we're all the same
>>17417330violence is the language of the universe. if you sin you will burn in hell, if you break the law you'll be thrown in prison. without violence you'll die of hunger and your woman will be raped by others.
>>17425819It is the language of your universe because it is the only language you speak. If you are a normal person you would negotiate and discuss ethics, if not then normies will dispense violence, and a man with a family to protect is much more competent at violence than some random edgelord sociopath. Do you think you'd last a second against an ex-marine who thinks you're there to molest his daughter? lol, lmao even
>>17425819Pretty objective. Nature itself is violent>>17425831>Do you think you'd last a second against an ex-marine who thinks you're there to molest his daughter? lol, lmao evenThat's a surprisingly specific case anon. Anything you'd like to get out of your chest?
>>17421497>Your abstract nonsense is only useful to confuse and mislead ordinary people and has no place in our world.Why is violence ok but deception not ok? How is the tapeworm different from the tiger besides the fact one makes you go "ew" and the other "aah"? If you're going to be a "might makes right" edgelord you must accept the jews have pulled one over on you and inhabit the highest positions of power and wealth in our society.
>>17426008What do they call it? "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
>>17417330>charging with a fucking longswordapparently might makes retarded according to your pic
>>17426335that's fucking cope and anyone who believes it is a historyletpower is public or does not exist at allhyenas will never be lionssame goes for the jews
>>17426566Why not? If you run the world from the shadows, you're enacting your will even if its not direct.
>>17426587Because it's not power if it's from the shadowsthe public power can flip at any moment or be challenged if it's not perceived as actually in charge. Brennus did not whisper 'vae victis' from the shadows otherwise nobody would have heard him.
>>17417330Absolutely not but those who claim to be right are often dishonest fucks who claim to be morally superior while acting in the most immoral way and only practice virtue signaling, and those who claim that might makes right are better than them morally but despite any might they claim to have.
>>17426779What even is might in modern times? Political power? Money?
>>17427198Controlling your thoughts
>>17427214Can they ever? I mean they are my thoughts
>>17417330But what even is might?
>>17427758Power
>>17427780And what even is power?
>>17428290The ability to modify your environment
>>17427758It stems from PIE megʰ, "to be able"The one who is mightier is the one who is able to do more.
>>17428690I want to acquire power, what is the secret, anon?
>>17417330My defn of 'right' is making the world a better place. Many people dont share this view; w/e.Based on this defn., no might doesnt make right. It has many positives, but overall is not the moist effective strategy.>>17417341The most common perspective is social acceptance. In that lens, might makes right.
>>17423720by your logic every humans should become cockroaches. Enjoy your *victory* dumbass.
>>17417330
>>17423720>hehe people take pity on us because of how pathetic and rapeable we are and treat us like children, we're winning!You fucking crumble when faced with the slightest adversity. Your entire race is being brought to heel by jews, the literal losers of history, and entire nations of you can't do a thing to stop it. Unless you want to proclaim jews the winners of history (which I know you won't), you didn't win shit.
Resorting to force to get your way means you concede that reason is on the side of your enemy. Cope and seethe all you want while stabbing a fellow human being.
>>17429257>Y-yeah you conceded defeat so I win!>*bang*How is that "victory" going for you?
>>17417330What is the mighty country in the modern era?
>>17430047Its quite obvious and undoubtedly Russia
>>17430047ghana
How would an individual acquire might? In this modern times there's only National might but there's no might for individuals.
>>17417330If there’s no god, yes.
>>17430507There isn't
>>17429830A nuke does not equal moral truth. You're retarded.
>>17430526Tell that to the nuke
>>17417330Was he even mighty?
>An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
>>17431000You just need to blind them first with superior firepower!
>>17431168Then why did he lose?
>>17431256too many eyes
I think our resident /pol/acks will produce some spectacular mental gymnastics routines with this one.
>>17431289I respect pol so much nowadays. They've been (far) right about everything
>>17427758The ability to get your way, regardless of who resists you. In fact, the mightiest are those that nobody even tries to resist. The greatest display of power is not force, but obedience.
>>17430552I'm telling you because you seem to have the IQ and conceptual thinking skills of a metal ball that explodes.
>Yes.
>>17417341>brazil>indiawhat
>>17432154Right? I don't see the might there>>17431916BASED
>>17431274Dare I say, 14 eyes?
>>17421497I would say math is good but the number system in use is developed to control us, basing it on ten or whatever doesn’t mesh with universal patterns.
>>17432604Math is fake, an invention to keep people oppressed!
>>17429257
>>17423746>fuck your girlfriendTaint only goes for bussy, and it's painfully obvious. >>17423767KEK
>>17431289Isn't it borrowed might? The real might comes from the United States
>>17417330What countries have made the best empires across time?
>>17422248Excatly, which makes musilm sunni, salfist arabs/turks/niggers/North Africans more superior than native Europeans, there are hundreds of millions more of them than Europeans and they hold the demographic power in their nations. Even if they're too dumb to be planning this out, "might makes right" dictates they deserve to win. If someone breaks into my house and I see them rape my wife, kill my kids and rob me of all my possessions yet I do nothing, then by default I deserve to lose for being too weak
>>17423762>The Allies were better at killing Germans than the Germans were at killing AlliesNice cope you allied scum, over 30 million allied deaths vs the Germans who lost 8-9 million total, and that was despite fighting the world's powers at the time. Germany was objectively the superior people
>>17432744he never said that
>>17433692How does modern Germany compare with the Reich Germany? Do they still have that might in them?
>>17433946Modern Germany is a colony of Great Britain and United States,and Reich Germany was an independent state
>>17433969No. The UK and Germany are both American colonies.
>>17431916huh? did he have a mental break or something?
>>17418723How the fuck else is this an American dominated world/economy you tard? Because everyone is just so nice that they just feel like playing ball with us?
>>17419967ESL?
If you *really* want to boil it down.>only the smallest portion of the strongest females will ever be able to beat the smallest portion of the weakest males>otherwise males are stronger than females>force multipliers, like a gun, can only level the playing field, if the female acts before the male is able to>otherwise the males will always use force multipliers better and for longer amounts of time>even with laws and judges, there still needs to be enforcement(police, military, etc)>males will always be better as enforcement, as explained above>with enough males, they can overthrow a government, if they're convinced that the system can't be reformed>with enough males, they can enslave other males>with enough males, they can enslave all femalesMight doesn't have to be "right", when might is effective.The only reason that western society doesn't have slaves and females have rights, is because males are actually kinder than that. But if that kindness runs out, then there's not a damn thing that can be done to stop it.Might is destructive though, which is why the most stable societies aren't the ones that regularly overthrow their government or enslave others.It really depends on how you think about it, because is the dead man "right" with his better argument, if he's not alive to share it?
>>17434243One does not exclude the other. America is the mightiest metropolis at the moment, but Great Britain while being subservient to United States,still has military bases in Germany,which means Germany is under British military occupation,among others.
>>17417330No, think of the Khmer Rouge. They used might to force people to believe in 2+2=5 and killed anyone who disagreed, but eventually they collapsed because their ideology was retarded and wrong.
>>17423762>This is why there is no progress in moral philosophy, like there is progress in science which is empirical.There actually has been progress. People just ignore it.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theoryEven if MFT isn't true, there's actual research being done to connect our morality to our biology & psychology.It's only even started to be done in the last ~20 years though. So this is all very cutting edge stuff. So I'm not looking for you to try and refute MFT. I'm just pointing out that there's actual progress being done, and it's going to make all of the ethicists have no job. But more importantly, it's going to make all the religious people seethe endlessly.
>>17423720The only reason the purple areas can have positive replacement rates, is because of the tan area's giving them subsidies. Once the tan area's can no longer do that, the purple areas are going to become dark tan.Once the western world collapses, you think the rest of the world is going to magically keep on truckin?The western world is going to collapse, causing a chain reaction across the rest of the world. Then the western world will rebuild, as we've always done.
>>17434406Nigga Ayn Rand gave everyone the biological function of man and therefore how man should be treated and everyone laughed at her. Also that theory you posted and the research on the wiki page shows largely that they just asked people what they felt. There is no objective foundation to be found.
>>17434406There is also VIA-IS, which studies virtues.
>>17434432Nigger, you ignored everything I said. I literally said that I'm not looking for your refutation, and I was showing that people are actually starting the process of something empirical.If you thought that they were going to just do a few studies, and then resolve all of morality in ~20 years, then you're retarded.My point is that they're actually working on it. When other fields started their first few steps, it wasn't great progress either.When I said that this is cutting edge, that should have been enough to tell you that nothing is certain in the actual data. Especially for a topic that's moved slower than the speed of a lifetime.If you recall, the anon I originally replied to was saying that morality is all rhetoric, and that's all it will ever be.I'm saying that it's only ever been rhetoric, but in the future we'll have an answer, and I pointed to MFT as evidence that it's actually being attempted.Please keep up.>>17434441Exactly. I'm not trying to say that MFT is 100% true. Just that they're actually doing work on finding an actual solution. This is a really amazing time to follow ethics.
>>17434451You have a completely solved version of what you are looking for from a century ago at your disposal. Now you know.
>>17434461You mean objectivism? I'm not aware of any actual research that she did for it. I might be mistaken, but I thought she was still creating it the same way as all the other moral philosophers before her.I'm sure Bentham would have said the same about utiltarianism.Unless I'm a total brainlet, I think that MFT and those like it, are doing something different. Even if they're not actually the correct answer.
>>17434473Ayn posited the following:Man's primary tool of survival is his mind. Humans are, compared to animals, weak/slow/clumsy. But we are smart, our mind allows us to make choices that gives us the edge to not only survive but thrive. To deny a man his mind by initiating force on him by violence/deception/coercion, we are treating him as less than human (mistreating if you will). Therefore, in business between humans you can objectively claim that force is evil, since that is treating a human as less than human. It's like cutting the wings off a bird and expecting it to fly. Every human is an end in themselves, with persuasion as their only moral weapon.
>>17434480She really tries to drive home the point that morality *must* be seperate from human whim, and *must* be seperate from any religious mumbojumbo. This because the evolutionary raison d'etre is not subjective. Our mind is objectively the reason we are still here.
>>17434480Yeah, she's arguing the same way as all the other ethicists before her. She's not starting with scientific research. Even if some of what informed her philosophy was from observations.If we're going to say that objectivism comes from empirical data, then we'd be saying that Aristotle's virtue ethics is the same. I'd hesitate to do that, because it's not the same as attempting to eventually produce The Scientific Theory Of Ethics.(I like objectivism, don't get me wrong. I think it does a better job of pointing in the correct direction, than the previous ethical theories had done before her. I'm just not sure if it has actual empirical data to back it up.)>>17434495Yeah, but it's still trying to make deductive arguments, and not inductive. I know that deductive is better, if it's true. But something like ethics needs that biological & psychological connection.Unless the theists can actually get their "gods" to show themselves, that is. Otherwise we'll need a connection to bio/psych, or it'll be infinite rhetoric arguments that never end.
>>17434510What data do you need? What other than human reason has brought us to dominate this planet? Our pattern recognition is everything. Otherwise we freeze or dehydrate to death, die from raw food poisoning, get stung by a mosquito and die. Our bodies are extremely frail when compared to any other lifeform. We don't get to run 90 mph like a cheetah to just catch anything we want, careful planning and making a hunting tool is absolutely necessary for us to do anything of note. What other than the mind does such a thing?
>>17434528>inb4 long distance marathon runningYes we are the best at this on earth, but does your life rely on that right now? No, it's your capability to long term plan, to make reasonable choices to improve your life and those you care about. The only thing keeping you from that is other people initiating force on you by taxing, regulating and keeping tabs on everything you fucking do.
>>17423746he only exists because white people became a bunch of leftist cucks, the gestapo would make mincemeat of him
>>17417330No, more children = winLess children = lose
>>17417330Historically, yes. In reality, it should never do that because it's immortal and harms everyone.
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>>17434712>Cool story, bro. Gonna have that baby for a snack or not?
>>17431916no wonder they're a turbo cuck race
“Frau, Kommunizm!!” – mongolem proverbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZxcSf9HwM>“A Woman in Berlin” (memoir)
>>17434712So its necessary for whites to start breeding like rabbits?
>>17417330Where are all the mighty then? They leave nothing behind and must in the end appear before his sovereign Jesus Christ the Lord to answer for their crimes
>>17434697What happened to the modern world? Why are men currently so weak?
