>defeats the Roman’s>defeats the VikingsWere picts the most based people of all time?
Romans didn't even bother invading them they were never defeated
>>17424427Picts? That race from Conan?
>>17424428>builds a wall because they’re scared of the pictchads
>>17424427Then somehow historians simultaneously claim they were completely wiped out by people from Argyle and the only evidence of them existing is the name of borderless estates in Aberdeen and the names of river mouthsIt's amazing how medieval myths which are easily disproven are still accepted as facts today but it's not exclusive to Scotland with Egyptoligsts altering carbon dating to match with Egyptian history
>>17424428They invaded three times and possibly a fourth
>>17424548>claim they were completely wiped out by people from ArgyleNobody claims this.
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>>17424427No.
>>17424427>defeats the VikingsBy the time the vikings even showed up they had already been buckbroken by the Irish and everyone forgot what Picts even are.
>>17424621Yes they do that's the entire basis of all Scottish history after the 9th century
>>17424764Uh no that's not remotely true the Pictish label was still applied to people of Galloway in the 12th century
>>17424471Hadrian's Wall was built well over a century before the first mention of the Picts appears in the written record.The wall might have had more to do with severing the Brigantes from their northern (non-Pict) neighbors, from what I've read at least.
>>17425002Thus proving the point that people forgot what Picts even were, because the people of Galloway weren’t Picts. This is like if China was completely lost to history and people started calling Koreans Chinese.
>>17424471the Romans built walls on their frontiers everywhere, Hadrian's wall is just better preserved than most because there was limited local timber so they made it out of stone, and it was a pet prestige project of the Emperor so he didn't care about the cost. Literally the very next emperor ordered it abandoned and another wall built further north. It's not an expression of Roman fear of the Picts, but rather of the wastefulness of the Roman dictatorship.
>>17425109>people forgotMonksThe word Pict never existed in a Celtic language of Britain >This is like if China was completely lost to history and people started calling Koreans Chinese.No it's like if people started calling the Germans Deutsch in English and then a hundred years later an English writer claimed the Deutsch killed all the Germans
>>17425326Bro Picts specifically refers to the tribes north of the Firth of Forth. Those are the people the Romans were talking about, not the people to the south.
>>17425334The kingdom stretches down to Edinburgh and the people in Galloway were repeatedly called Picts
>>17425339Whoever called them Picts was mistaken. As we know the Picts were Gaelic and the indigenous language of Galloway is Cumbric
>>17425351>Whoever called them Picts was mistakenThe people themselves and Irish monks. I also believe the Norwegians did so too.>Gaelic and the indigenous language of Galloway is CumbricThere is not any evidence suggesting they spoke Welsh or anything like it
>>17425366Except all the place names in southern Scotland of clearly Brythonic origin, like Lanark for example.
>>17425379Lanark isn't in Galloway so you're not off to a good start Nothing about the name Lanark is particularly Welsh either
>>17425404It’s south of the Firth of Forth. Virtually everything we know about Picts comes from the Romans who are explicit in describing the people north of that point, Lanark (from the Brythonic Llannerch: meaning glade) is even further north than Galloway is.
>>17425432>Virtually everything we know about Picts comes from the RomansNo, there are many medieval books mentioning that >Lanark (from the Brythonic Llannerch: meaning glade) Uh no that isn't proof of anything. Lannark can easily also mean Lann-Arc meaning pigland or any other variations >) is even further north than Galloway is.Galloway has always spoken Gaelic for all of recorded history no other language can be traced thereWelsh was spoken about the Clyde and this is a well known fact
>>17425440By the time of medieval accounts the Picts had long been lost to history, the only contemporary accounts we have, as well as the very origin of the word, are Roman>Lann-Arc meaning piglandIn what language? Because that’s not Gaelic or Anglian.>Galloway has always spoken Gaelic for all of recorded history no other language can be traced thereGalloway was part of the core heartland of the Brythonic kingdom of Strathclyde. If Gaelic was spoken there before well into the medieval era it is as a foreign language. The Brythonicness of Strathclyde is even attested to in the name of the border mark with Dàl Riata, Clach nam Breatann: rock of the Britons.
>>17425457>Picts had long been lost to historyThe term pict was repeatedly used by all medieval writers to describe the inhabitants of Scotland >Because that’s not Gaelic or Anglian.In Gaelic because the two words lann and airc are Gaelic words>Galloway was part of the core heartland of the Brythonic kingdom of Strathclyde. If You have still yet to provide any proof at all of this Welsh speaking population of Galloway and since you seem to lack knowledge of Gaelic too it is slightly concerning you believe you have authority on this subject
>>17425461Medieval writers were also inclined to believe Romani were Egyptians and Hungarians were the actual Huns of Attila. It’s unsurprising they would also abuse the word "Pict" having scarce access to Roman accounts and none of the modern archaeology or linguistics that we have today. >In Gaelic because the two words lann and airc are Gaelic wordsThere are no versions of those words in any Gaelic language living or archaic that translate to "Pig land". You do speak a Gaelic language right, anon? >You have still yet to provide any proof at all of this Welsh speaking population of GallowayThe etymological evidence of a Brythonic language in southwest Scotland is so overwhelming that linguists are unanimous on this. Even one of the oldest around modern Dumfries, Caerlaverock, is of Brythonic origin: likely coming from Caer Llywarch but certainly being of no Gaelic origin. In fact "Caer-" place names in Scotland are almost as common as they are in Wales, despite being unusual in Ireland.
>>17425495>abuseThe word was inherited from Christianity>>17425495>versions of those words in any Gaelic language living or archaic that translate to "Pig land". You do speak a Gaelic language right, anon?Yes? You don't since lann simply means land in general but all modern use means enclosed landAirc means pig and exists most know in the name of Orkney>Even one of the oldest around modern Dumfries, Caerlaverock, is of Brythonic origin: likely coming from Caer Llywarch but certainly being of no Gaelic origin. In fact "Caer-" place names in Scotland are almost as common as they are in Wales, despite being unusual in Ireland.Dumfries is completely unknown other than the first word is Celtic Dun but considering the Gaelic Dornock is not far from it then it is likely Gaelic though the Cumbrians could easily have named this site Caerlaverlock begins with either Gaelic or Welsh since cathair in Gaelic means the same as Welsh caerBut for the rest I can't say and nobody else has made anything convincing.
>>17425556There are no Picts in the Bible, anon. By "Christianity" you mean "the Roman church" and specifically Roman texts and cultural influence.>Airc means pig and exists most know in the name of OrkneyThe name of Orkney is of Norse origin from Orkneyjar meaning "Seal Islands". The problem with deriving Lanark from Lann-Airc isn’t just the inappropriate use of Lann here, it’s grammatically improper. A more correct rendering would be Tír na Airc. The Brythonic etymology is a million times more plausible. >since cathair in Gaelic means the same as Welsh caerThere’s a nuanced difference and the two are probably etymologically unrelated, Cathair is more like a fortified town e.g Cathair Dún Iascaigh, town of the fort of the fishery, not fort of the fort of the fishery. Caer has a more strictly military application.
>>17425630>There are no Picts in the Bible,Luckily I said Christianity not the Bible with which the name Pict was preserved through the Latin language.>A more correct rendering would be Tír na Airctir refers to territory strictly speaking so it would not be suitable there and Orkney is from the Norse translation of the Gaelic "orcaibh" or historically at that time "Innsi Orcaibh" and your assumption that a definite article is needed is simply false as seen in the Irish place Muckross, which also previously existed in Scotland, and seems to mean Pig-Wood. Or again with the name Righmona(i)dh or Rymont again lacking the definite article.And further airc or arc would be airce in the genetive.So this combined with the fact you are writing in Irish Gaelic makes it pretty clear you are Irish or American attempting to impose the ideas of a 19th century map maker on the modern world. Not impressive.You have still yet to provide a single positively Cymric term and do not understand the Gaelic language.
>>17424552You're thinking of britons
>>17425791>which the name Pict was preserved through the Latin language.So in other words, yes, they got it from the Romans>tir refers to territory strictly speakingIt does not, e.g Tír an Iúir, land of the Yew Tree. But avoiding reference to a territory is precisely why the definite article is necessary, as that would be proprietary and not descriptive. Example: it’s Dhún na nGall and not Dún Gall (comparison; Dún Dealgan). Even if we’re accepting the extremely obscure and improper Lann it would still have to have the definite article.>attempting to impose the ideas of a 19th century map makerCad é?>You have still yet to provide a single positively Cymric term Here is another one, the name of the kingdom itself Ystrad Clud, even the names of the kings had extremely Brythonic and decisively un-Gaelic names e.g Arthgal ap Dyfnwal
>>17425791Also the name the Gaels gave to Orkney was Insi Orc, the -aibh suffix and the abandonment of the island specification are more modern mutations of purer Gaelic.
>>17425862>So in other words, yes, they got it from the RomansIt's a Celtic word but does not appear at all in any Celtic language>It does not>. Even if we’re accepting the extremely obscure and improper Lann it would still have to have the definite article.So you are simply ignoring what I have written now. Not impressive.>it’s Dhún na nGall and not Dún GallAnother attempt at forcing Irishisms.It's Clackmannan not ClacknamannanIt's Dumbarton not Dunnabarton>and improper LannA word you admitted to just learning. You haven't tricked anybody.>Here is another one, the name of the kingdom itself Ystrad Clud, even the names of the kings had extremely Brythonic and decisively un-Gaelic names e.g Arthgal ap DyfnwalI have never claimed once that the Kingdom of Strathclyde was not a Welsh Kingdom the entire point that has somehow managed to completely go over your head was that there is no proof of a Cymric presence in Galloway.Due to your complete lack of ability to follow a conversation I assume you are autistic so likely American though I wouldn't put it past an Irishman to be this proud since the Irish were the most proud race in all of Europe until their total destruction.
>>17425911> It's a Celtic word but does not appear at all in any Celtic language?> It's Clackmannan not ClacknamannanNot a good example because Clackmannan is another Scottish place name of Briton and not Gaelic origin, coming from Clog Manau> was that there is no proof of a Cymric presence in Galloway.So was Strathclyde Cumbric or is there no proof of a Cumbric presence in Galloway? Because Galloway was one of its most ancient and long-kept territories with a wealth of evidence for Brythonic habitation in its toponymies > though I wouldn't put it past an Irishman to be this proud since the Irish were the most proud race in all of Europe until their total destruction.To quote Samuel Johnson "The Irish are not in a conspiracy to cheat the world by false representations of the merits of their countrymen. No, Sir; the Irish are a fair people; -- they never speak well of one another."What’s your beef with the Irish? If you’re interested in Gaelic history or linguistics 99% of the people that are going to be able to talk to you about it will be Irish.
>>17425934>?The fact you don't know this shows your fatal lack of understanding. Pict is an extinct Celtic word not used by any modern Celtic race and survived exclusively due to Latin.>Not a good example because Clackmannan is another Scottish place name of Briton and not Gaelic origin, coming from Clog ManauSo nothing but excuses >Because Galloway was one of its most ancient and long-kept territories with a wealth of evidence for Brythonic habitation in its toponymiesWhich you have utterly failed to provide>"The Irish are not in a conspiracy to cheat the world by false representations of the merits of their countrymen. No, Sir; the Irish are a fair people; -- they never speak well of one another."None? You're simply an Irish supremacist. Further again your quote of Johnson one of the most violent critics of the Scottish Gaelic language and Scottish race shows I am correct in my understanding.No proof has still been provided and it never will be. Tha mi an dochas gaol aig Dia ort.
>>17426012> Pict is an extinct Celtic word Proof? It’s of a purely Latin etymology.> So nothing but excusesPointing out that a Brythonic name isn’t Gaelic is pretty relevant don’t you think?> Which you have utterly failed to provideI’ve provided three in four in southwest Scotland and one in Galloway itself Caerlaverock - Caer Llywarch, in fact you even admitted that Caelaverock is most likely of Brythonic origin.> Further again your quote of Johnson one of the most violent critics of the Scottish Gaelic language and Scottish race shows I am correct in my understanding.Imagine being this triggered by a 300 year old English nerd. He’s funny.Cabhair a lorg agus teagmháil féar
>>17424998They shifted to speaking Gaelic or Old English/Scots. There is not a single living historian who will claim the Picts were "completely wiped out." Modern Scottish people are mostly of Pictish descent (and Picts themselves only became a distinct population following the Roman occupation of the rest of Britain).
>>17424427>a people that dont existIn fact they stopped existing so long ago basically nobody knows anything about them
Having grown up in Appalachia I can absolutely assure all of you that the scotch-irish are lower than jungle niggers in all ways
Want to know what encountering picts is like? Try meth whites with face tattoos in Appalachia. Welcome to hell.
>>17425334after i get north of the firth of forth im gonna need about tree fiddy.
>>17426517Uh no thats a medieval myth
The scotch-irish man is the pajeet of white people, shameless pride in something awful regardless of all evidence
>>17424427They didn't really defeat the Romans, who successfully campaigned north of the Wall multiple times but simply didn't bother to conquer Caledonia. They also didn't even exist anymore when the Vikings arrived, having been assimilated by the Gaelic takeover of Pictland.
>>17426521based anglo supremacist cavalier
>>17427235They spoke Gaelic as all evidence shows in fact not a single positive example of evidence exists proving otherwise
>>17427235>Three separate invasions>Na there was no desire to conquer
>>17427305What is the etymology of Aberdeen?
>>17427527Gaelic for the mouth of the river DeeIt's claimed that it was originally a Welsh word but it isn't possible due to the word aber in Scotland originally having two Bs
>>17427531But Aber is a welsh word for that exact thing whereas the Gaelic would be Inver as in Inverness.
>>17427546>whereas the Gaelic would be Inver as in Inverness.Inver doesn't really appear in Ireland either so that isn't an argument
>>17427571But that word does exist in Irish, as inbhear, it’s just unusual in toponymies compared to Beal whereas it’s common in Scotland. This might be related to the many ways in which Scottish Gaelic is semi-Brythonic influenced in grammar and vocabulary compared to the more purely Gaelic Irish.Regardless the fact Aber is literally a welsh word that abounds in both Scotland and Wales, puts a large question mark on the idea that there was no indigenous Brythonic language north of Hadrian’s wall.
>>17427582>This might be related to the many ways in which Scottish Gaelic is semi-Brythonic influenced in grammar and vocabulary compared to the more purely Gaelic Irish.Both lands became Gaelic speaking due to the Belgian conquest so that doesn't really work>Regardless the fact Aber is literally a welsh word that abounds in both Scotland and WalesI have already explained that it is not and there are somehow "abers" surviving even on the West Coast which would be impossible with the theory.
>>17427598And finally in reduction "aber" is the only word in Scotland which has been found to be positively Cymric and appearing in other Cymric lands.The only other word of any not is "pet" which is simply Ancient Gaelic for "enclosure" and the word according to Oghamic inscriptions was extinct by the 6th century in common language and only used in writing for ancient estates.The word "pet" comes from is probably aitheamh.
>>17427631>>17427598Youl lost
>>17427748Seething Irishman
>>17424428The Romans invaded Pictland multiple times, they just didn't bother to permanently occupy it.
>>17427809>botherCouldn't
>>17427598>Belgian conquest…No comment.But regardless clearly there was someone there before Gaelic speakers and clearly their language left profond Brythonic influence on Scottish Gaelic.> I have already explained that it is not and there are somehow "abers" surviving even on the West CoastBut the west coast was also likely indigenously populated by Britons and the Scottish Gaelic language in its entirely is riddled with Brythonic influence. It would be a problem if Aber appeared with any frequency in Gaelic Ireland, but it doesn’t. It’s a clear cut example of vestigial Brythonic vocabulary fossilised in Scottish toponymies. Finally to claim its the "only" word of Scottish Gaelic to be Brythonic in origin is claiming a wildly exhaustive knowledge of Gaelic (and Brythonic languages in general) that you clearly don’t have, because the list of Brythonic loan words into Scottish is long and even minimal research into this area of comparative linguistics will vindicate that. Irish conversely does not have the pronounced Brythonic influence that Scottish does, ergo at one point in history there was extensive Brythonic-Gaelic intermingling in Scotland but not in Ireland, probably because Gaelic was imported into Scotland from Ireland and displaced an indigenous Brythonic tongue (or tongues)
>>17427809
>>17427934>there was someone there before Gaelic speakers and clearly their language left profond Brythonic influence on Scottish Gaelic.Yes in 200BC>>17427934>riddled with Brythonic influenceNot particularly even Latin has given more wordsAnd again the rest is rambling with not evidence provided to support yourself or to contract against my ideas and the ideas supported by all neutral parties
>>17428042> Yes in 200BC… no comment.Regardless clearly whoever was there before the Gaels spoke a Brythonic language.> Not particularly even Latin has given more wordsI wouldn’t doubt it given Latin was a profound influence on medieval Old Irish. Plus with Italo-Celtic languages it’s difficult at times to gauge what is a loan word and what’s of common etymological ancestry, e.g Rí/Rix/Rex or Cathair/Caer/Cathedra. Regardless Latin did not impart its entire syntax onto Scottish Gaelic grammar, Scottish Gaelic does however closely follow Brythonic syntax unlike Irish. That alone strongly indicates Gaelic was adopted from Ireland by a population used to speaking Brythonic, in much the same way it was easier for French to displace Germanic vocabulary in English than to displace Germanic grammatical forms. > and the ideas supported by all neutral partiesWho exactly? Because there’s not a linguist or historian alive today that will deny Scottish Gaelic is much more profoundly Brythonic influenced than Irish, even among Scottish and foreign scholars. Though I don’t doubt there’s some 19th century quack along the same lines as Pinkerton’s madcap theory that the Picts spoke a Germanic language that survives today as Scots English.
>>17424427you're not even consistent with your retarded misplacement of an apostrophe
>>17428247>Scottish Gaelic does however closely follow Brythonic syntax unlike IrishHow so?>some 19th century quack along the same lines as Pinkerton’s madcap theory that the PictThe idea they spoke Welsh comes from a single Scottish mapmaker whose ideas were founded off a corrupt version of Nennius' history from IrelandWithout him or more rightly without the so called Historians of the 1980s nobody would believe they spoke Cymric.And again no actual evidences have been given.
>>17428269>apostropheGlobohomo
>>17428288For one thing Scottish and Welsh both typically use analytic constructions to create the future tense whereas Irish will use a singular mutation of a verb. >Scottish Gaelic: Tha mi a’ dol a dh’ithe>Welsh: Dw i’n mynd i fwyta Translation: I am going to eatCompare with the Irish "íosfaidh mé" (which would translate as "I will eat")For another Scottish and Welsh have a simpler form of relative particles and conjugation, examplesScottish>An duine a tha a’ bruidhinnWelsh>y dyn sy’n siaradBoth translate, literally, to "the man who is speaking" as English is also grammatically intuitive in this way. The relative particle and conjugation in Irish conversely are more complex, example >An fear a bhfuil ag caintAs you can see Irish retains particles that Scottish doesn’t. Even the analogy between the Scottish duine and the Welsh dyn is suspect, as although this is a word of common origin in Old Irish and modern Irish it is generic more meaning "person" whereas in Scottish and Welsh it’s of a masculine connotation, very directly analogous to the English word "man". > The idea they spoke WelshNever said they spoke Welsh, I said they spoke a Brythonic language. Though based on toponymies it does seem to be more akin to Welsh than to Cornish or Breton. In all certainty pre-Roman Britain was home to a diverse dialectical continuum, which extended at least as far north as Aberdeen. Exactly how intelligible Pictish was with Welsh is lost to history, but what is beyond all doubt is that the answer is more than it was intelligible with Irish. Even Perth itself is literally a Welsh word for wood, and the Gaelic rendering of this as Peairt is itself purely a placename with no semantic meaning other than that. Whether it’s in 200 BC or the dark ages or if they came from Belgium or Ireland it is utterly beyond all doubt that there was a Brythonic language spoken across Scotland before a Gael ever laid eyes on it.
>>17427598>Belgian conquestThis runs into the same problem as the discredited Irish conquest theory, namely that mass migrations and violent conquests leave huge bodies of archaeological evidence that isn’t there. There are prehistoric peoples completely lost to written history of whom all we really know is that they engaged in violent mass migrations because the archaeological evidence is just that distinct. Even if Gaelic came to Scotland from Belgium in 200 BC it was (relatively) peacefully diffused there in much the same manner as the displacement of Gaelic by English.
>>17428440Saying "ithidh mi" in Gaelic is equally acceptable and common so your point falls flat.>The relative particle and conjugation in Irish conversely are more complex, exampleBheil is used to connect sentences in Gaelic and the language is again more particular than English. All that proves at best is modern Irish is more archaic presumably due to it be a literate language rather than Gaelic being a spoken one.>said they spoke a Brythonic language. Though based Which would be virtually identical to Welsh >Even Perth itself is literally a Welsh word for wood, and the GaelicUnfortunately Perth is a very spurious word since it would be from Gaelic that English learned it and hence it would be known as Pert in English not as Perth>Whether it’s in 200 BC or the dark ages or if they came from Belgium or Ireland it is utterly beyond all doubt that there was a Brythonic language spoken across Scotland before a Gael ever laid eyes on it.Yes in 200BC just like Ireland and yet by magic Ireland has faced absolutely no residual Cymric influence Even English in Scotland preserved no Gaelic influence and that was through a much more peaceful spread of language but you have it that a violent conquest even preserved the names of estates. Not impressive.>>17428458>violent conquests leave huge bodies of archaeological evidence that isn’t there.It is there. Archaeology in Scotland has found a sudden wave of migrants in 200BC as stated by the Lebhar Gabhala and Pictish king list.It's undeniable at this point but you like old astronomers will stick to your ideas for long after they've been shut down.
>>17429300You've still not provided any Gaelic words from Scotland
>>17429300> Saying "ithidh mi" in Gaelic is equally acceptableYou cannot however use an analytic construction like "Tá mé ag dul a ithe" in Irish, that would be a present tense articulation that you’re going somewhere to eat like a restaurant or the kitchen. To form the future tense you must conjugate the verb. In fact this is one of the hallmarks of Gaelscoil Irish that children will construct with imprecise Gaelic vocabulary atop English grammar, that alone strongly suggests Scottish Gaelic was adopted by a people that were used to speaking something else of which the only really viable candidate is a Brythonic language. > Bheil is used to connect sentences in GaelicBhfuil/Bheil aren’t transitions, they’re dependent particles that basically mean is/are in conjunction with other words. Any sentence that is going to use either is already self sufficient unless you’re going to use transitions to combine it with another articulation. > Which would be virtually identical to WelshWhy? We can see evidence of shared vocabulary and grammar with Welsh but so can you with Italian and Spanish. If Italian died and we were forced to piece it together from toponymies the logical conclusion wouldn’t be that Italy literally spoke Spanish, it’s that the language family Spanish belongs to once had dialects in Italy. > since it would be from GaelicAny etymology of Perth from Peairt is simply impossible, because Peairt doesn’t mean anything other than a tautological reference to Perth itself. However it’s one of the few words in Pictish we actually have written evidence of in the form of Ogham stones, the Pictish word for a wood was ᚚᚓᚏᚈ (pert), which is virtually identical to the Welsh word "Perth" of the same meaning and leaves no room for Pictish to be anything but a P-Celtic language, as the distant Irish cognate of this is ceirt, meaning apple tree. That alone proves Pictish was on the Brythonic side of the P/Q divergence.
>>17429300> Yes in 200BC just like Ireland and yet by magic Ireland has faced absolutely no residual Cymric influenceMagic, right. It’s almost as if… Ireland is where Gaelic originated and… Brythonic speakers never originally lived there. To some common sense must seem like magic alright. > Even English in Scotland preserved no Gaelic influenceGaelic was also never really the majority language of Scotland, at best the main plurality, and at the time when displacement by English was really kicking off it was considered the rude speech of barbarous people. > Archaeology in Scotland has found a sudden wave of migrants in 200BCI want to know more about this.
>>17429369>Ireland is where Gaelic originated and… Brythonic speakers never originally lived there. To some common sense must seem like magic alright.This isn't what any ancient Irish history book contains unfortunately and the oldest book claimed the Picts and Irish were the same race >Gaelic was also never really the majority language of Scotland, at Even today in a place like Fife 4/5 of placenames there are in Gaelic and Gaelic place names extend down to the borders>to know more about this.The Lebhar Gabhala claims the Belgians conquered Ireland, Scotland and MannBritain and Ireland. Mann itself is named after a Belgian tribe of course WITH Indo-European PArchaeology of Scotland found a sudden appearance of advanced North Gaulish and Belgian technology in Scotland and Britain which is estimated to have arrived in the 3rd century BC. It's most obvious with the mixed forms of native and continental potteryThe idea people spoke Welsh in Scotland as it currently stands only became to be accepted in the 1980s before then they believed they spoke Basque and before then for about 40-60 years half believed they spoke Welsh and most believed they spoke Gaelic Hence your Welsh world will collapse just like the old desperate Basque theoryAnd also all ogham stones in Scotland are in Gaelic or basque with not a single one containing a positively cymric word while the majority are positively Gaelic >>17429367>suggests Scottish Gaelic was adopted by a people that were used to speaking something else of which the only really viable candidate is a Brythonic language.You have made a fatal but common error of thinking you have found a cause rather than more of a resultant. And further you now need to prove people did that at least in medieval times in Scotland to support your argument since in fairly recent times people begun using the word Chaidh for a passive
>>17424428>Romans didn't even bother invading them they were never defeatedThey did, failed, built a wall, and got (locally) Germ'd because Vortigern decided to destroy Romano-Britain from being THAT scared of the Picts
>>17425002Wallachia has zero Welsh people in it, but somehow the old Germanic name still sticks around. Picts were replaced by Gaels in the early middle ages. The highlands are Irish
>>17429367>they’re dependent particles that basically mean is/are in conjunction with other words. Which happened commonly in older Gaelic and still does in much modern Gaelic >However it’s one of the few words in Pictish we actually have written evidence of in the form of Ogham stones, the Pictish word for a wood was ᚚᚓᚏᚈ (pert), which is virtually identical to the Welsh word "Perth" of the same meaningLink>That alone proves Pictish was on the Brythonic side of the P/Q divergence.There are at least 13 examples of Indo-European P surviving in Old Irish, the Isle of Man previously contained Indo-European P almost definitely.And finally Bede records the name PeanFahelThis is the Roman military term Penna Valli. Gaelic has preserved the P which it shouldn't, again showing Indo-European surviving.The word Fahel is Gaelic fhael. In English this was recorded as penneltonAs you see the genetics of fal, which should really be gual but Welsh would not turn the genetive into E. This alone proves it's Gaelicness.Further a final wipeout is the Pictish title Rex Atholl. Atholl is a decidedly Gaelic name yet it was used as a Pictish title in a Pictish land in a place with no language but Pictish.No arguments can oppose these basic facts. Racism has lost. Gaelic unity has won.
>>17429421Already disproven see this>>17429424
>>17429367Also the majority of ogham stones in Scotland have found to contain either Mac or MaqThis alone provides a Gaelic originAnd interestingly not a single ogham monument exists in Argyll disproving and Irish origin of oghamEven stones as far as Shetland are in Gaelic
>>17429416Ancient Irish mythology also says the Gaels came to Ireland from Spain and that the indigenous population were gods and demons. I would take anything you right within with just a pinch of salt.> Even today in a place like FifeAnd you have places in England and even it’s colonies overseas that have French names, this doesn’t mean French was ever spoken by a supermajority of the English rather that for some centuries they were ruled by French lords. Regardless in that sentence I’m not talking about north of the Firth of Forth, I’m talking about the area that has always been the main population centre of Scotland and still is today, the south.> Archaeology of Scotland found a sudden appearance of advanced North Gaulish and Belgian technology in Scotland and BritainThis is what I want to know about, the archaeological research.> Hence your Welsh world will collapse just like the old desperate Basque theoryTwo more weeks: linguistics edition As opposed to the Goidelic theory which died in the 19th century and was ultimately rejected by many of its own proponents. Even the most credible modern version of the theory that Gaelic is indigenous to Scotland doesn’t deny the Picts were Brythonic, rather it suggests Gaelic was once indigenous to all of Britain before P-Celtic was introduced from the mainland leaving Argyll as the last rump of it, from which it experienced a resurgence backed by influence from Ireland.> You have made a fatal but common error of thinking you have found a cause rather than more of a resultant.Between the preserved Brythonic vocabulary and the Brythonic grammatical rules it’s impossible to argue that Scotland at one point wasn’t in large part Brythonic speaking. If there’s an alternative explanation that can account for this I’d like to hear it.
>>17429424>Linkhttps://bill.celt.dias.ie/vol4/wordindex.php?letter=p&typeID=4&WordID=13038> And finally Bede records the name PeanFahelThis is the Roman military term Penna Valli. Gaelic has preserved the P which it shouldn'tOnly Bede is not speaking of Gaelic, he’s speaking of Pictish. In fact Scottish Gaelic itself refutes the notion he could possibly be talking about the same language because the modern mutated name of the same place is Kinneil, meaning at some point on the medieval era it was brought into conformity with Irish orthography>AthollMajor own goal
>>17429975Atholl means Northern Ford not New Ireland The oldest written variation of the name clearly shows that so well done falling for 19th century jokes>>17429975>the modern mutated name of the same place is Kinneil, meaning at some point on the medieval era it was broughtKinneil has nothing to do with Pennelton since according to where Bede places it Pennelton was at Blackness not KinneilSo two MASSIVE Ls for you
>>17429975Your link doesn't contain an ogham inscription with the word Pert as you implied by writing it in those letters
>>17429973>Gaels came to Ireland from Spain and that the indigenousUnfortunately Julius Caesar also states a massive Belgian migration>this doesn’t mean French was ever spoken by a supermajority of the English rather that for some centuries they were ruled by French lords. Regardless in that sentence I’m not talking about north of the Firth of Forth, I’mUnfortunately once more even the majority of pre-16th century geographic names in Lothian were Gaelic tooAnd once more you have failed to produce a single undoubtedly Cymric word
What is it about Scottish history specifically that brings out the retards and schizos
A summary of evidence so farAll Pictish inscriptions are GaelicNot a single undoubtedly Cymric word can be traced from PictlandThe oldest Irish history states that they were the same race as the PictsThe Romans also substantiate this Irish history together with the placenames of Ireland and Scotland Archaeology also agrees with a Belgian invasion All Pictish female names are Gaelic despite the fact we know that after a Pictish princess married a foreigner their sons would adopt the Pictish culture and not their father's Not a single history from Ireland until after the Four Masters mentions a conquest of Scotland by the Argyllians and all written material about them states they spent their entire existence as a fiefdom until the Norwegians completely destroyed that kingdomAs we can see all evidence precisely indicates the Argyllian conquest is not possible and Gaelic has been the only known language of Scotland before English spread
>>17430026The Irish schizo has this strange desire to say Gaelic was exclusive to Ireland despite it not being believed by the Irish historians and I am not a schizophrenic due to me not believing an entire race was massacred and enslaved because I saw the letter P
>>17430009Impossible, as the original spelling in old Irish was Athfhotla, whereas the northern ford cope is contingent on it coming from fochla, which it clearly does not even resemble. > Kinneil has nothing to do with PenneltonIt’s within a few miles of the exact site Bede identifies. Modern Aberdeen is also a few miles away from the original original Aberdeen. Plus if we are to understand precise accuracy from Bede then that’s got quite a few problems for this Picts are indigenous argument, as he also says they came from Ireland.
>>17430016So Irish mythology isn’t reliable anymore?> And once more you have failed to produce a single undoubtedly Cymric wordAberPertCaerEither you’ve got amnesia or I’m being trolled
>>17430074>AthfhotlaAthochlach actually >>17430074>within a few miles of the exact site Bede identifiesAnd blackness is exactly where he identifies and we know that blackness was the best place for the Roman wall to end which matches with the Roman term Penna Valli which was recorded in Pennelton with an obviously Gaelic genetive>>17430081No it is. Ireland experienced both Belgian and Iberian migrants but as seen by Ireland's placenames the Belgians were far more numerous probably just due to the distance
>>17424427>Defeats vikings>Like half of the Scottish clans and most of the highland clans specifically are norse
>>17430124All wrongThe entire west coast identified as Alpinach
>>17430110>AthochlachThat doesn’t not sound anything like Atholl There is one and only one place with the visible remains of a Roman fort at the end of the Antoinine wall, and that is at Kinneil. Which is consistent with a mutation from Brythonic orthography into Gaelic. This is the only explanation that makes sense archaeologically and linguistically, as Pean Fahel is decisively un-Gaelic.> No it is. Man, people in prehistorical Ireland didn’t have bionic arms or wage war against demons. Irish mythology, like any national mythology, the Aeneid for example, is about as historically reliable as Naruto.
>>17430026There comes a time in every Scotsman’s life where he must choose, Sellick or Gers, Green or orange, nat or yoon. This will define the rest of his life. The truly autistic specimens can’t choose, they will try to have it both ways, which causes an intense irresolvable identity crisis because the entirety of their culture is either English or Irish in origin.
>>17424427>hides in a bog nobody wantsTruly the peak of civilization. The Romans came and went, but the bog squatter still remains. In all seriousness, Picts had iron age forts even back then and were probably able to go toe to toe with what few Romans made it that far north. I would unironically believe they gave Romans more trouble than Gauls.
>>17430323>That doesn’t not sound anything like Athollso you dont understand how gaelic works>>17430645>>hides in a bog nobody wantsbillions of norwegians died to conquer sutherland for reasons i really cannot understand
>>17430682Based on this conversation my Gaelic is 10 million times more fluent than yours and I assure you that "ch" in the middle isn’t silent.
>>17430701>n yours and I assure you that "ch" in the middle isn’t silent.Actually it is.Ch was silent or it had became simply an H.This is seen from Bede recording Nechtan as "Naiton" which shows the Picts were saying CH so softly than he did not recognise it or his source did not to be a sound and this seems to be concur with the Ogham of "Nehhtonn".The interchange of CH and H is also seen in modern Gaelic where in Mann the word "chunnaic" was recorded as honnaik and this also occurs in Ulster Irish I believe.
>>17430736The kind of sound you’re talking about isn’t specific to Ulster and it would definitely not occur in a word like Athochlach, especially as it’s supposedly a combined word by this theory. In some words there’s tendency to de stress this sound when it’s between two vowels but it’s more like a Spanish J than an English H (think Tejas), example Ard Mhacha. Otherwise in normal circumstances and definitely in any circumstances where it’s followed by a consonant or serves as a final syllable. Ex: loch, deich, chara, anocht, amach, fréamhacha, síochána, Albannach, etc. Scottish Gaelic in my experience is even more consistent with sticking to a K type sound.Athochlach would simply never be pronounced Ath Oh La like you seem to be imagining.
>>17425083>>17425200Blah blah blah blah, the real answer is that Romans are sissy manlets.
>>17425002The Picts that were still ‘Pictish’ were only so in name. They were culturally and lingustically Gaelic.
>>17430885>would definitely not occur in a word like AthochlachAs you can see by the modern name Atholl it hasYou're denying the letters you see before you so we can only conclude you suffer from insanity since also the same thing occurs with the word bruich which is said as bruith and this again occurs with Gaelic aspiration where originally a word like cnoc would produced as cnohc with a gust of air before C and yet now the modern living Gaels pronounce it cnochcIt's over>>17431106The picts had apparently only existed in name then for their whole existence to this day
>>17431687That is precisely the problem with Athochlach being the etymological ancestor of Atholl, in Gaelic orthography it would never be pronounced like that. Ath-fhotla however would be a million times closer to that pronunciation. > thing occurs with the word bruich which is said as bruithOnly it’s not. Bruith is the Irish variant of that verb and in Irish the T is effectively silent, Bruich is the Scottish and in it the ch is pronounced just as it is in Loch or Albannach. Which is interesting, rather than losing CH sounds Scottish in its evolution has added them to words where Old Irish didn’t have them. That’s a problem for your theory. > Gaelic aspiration where originally a word like cnocAnother word where the C isn’t silent. Also isn’t even a ch spelling anyway or even etymologically derived from one.Regardless at this point it’s been proven beyond all doubt that you don’t speak any Gaelic language with any level of proficiency. What drives a monolingual Anglo to have such strong opinions about Gaelic linguistics?
>>17431866>Gaelic orthography it would never be pronounced like that. Ath-Yes it would because the CH has transitioned into an H and then nothing due to the consonant at it's head>Bruith is the Irish variant of that verb and in Irish the T is effectively silent, Bruich is the Scottish and in it the ch is pronounced just as it is in Loch orThat's simply wrong>Regardless at this point it’s been proven beyond all doubt that you don’t speak any Gaelic language with any level of proficiency. What drives a monolingual Anglo to have such strong opinions about Gaelic linguistics?That's...that's what you're doing. I'm fluent in Gaelic and you are apparently an American who isn't since I struggle to understand how an Irishman could do thisYou aren't even making an argument now you're simply collapsing CH has became H in Ultonian Gaelic in the word Thanaic. You are not making an argument you are however showing you are simply a strange man.
>>17431894How is Loch pronounced?> I'm fluent in GaelicMate you don’t even have beginner Gaelic, you know it, I know it, stop talking shite. There are unironically Americans that have never even laid eyes on the isles with a cúpla focal from Duolingo that would make for more informed conversation about Gaelic orthography and grammar.
>>17431932So you're just a strange Irish supremacist whose world is defined by an ignorant Scottish map maker Slightly strange but I can't stop youSee ya chuddy and I hope you learn the Belgian language of Gaelic one day with your autism CH became H in early Gaelic and you've lostSee ya again
>>17431943Samhlaigh ag caint ar na Pictinnies gach lá le blianta, agus FÓS gan tosú fiú ag foghlaim na Gàidhlig!KEK
>>17431984Saoil air gu bheil thu a brudhinn air na Albannaich a huile latha den bliadhna agus chan eil toiseach agad a Ghaidhlig a ionnsaichadh fhathast
>>17432456Lig dom cabhrú leat>Saoil air*Saominich>a brudhinn *a’ bruidhinn>air na AlbannaichKek*mu dheidhinn nan Albannach> a huile latha*h-uile > toiseach agadKek *thu fhathast air tòiseachadh> a Ghaidhlig a ionnsaichadh* air a’ Ghàidhlig ionnsachadh"Fluent" mo thóin.
>>17433257>saar the punctuationbha an corr ceart, chan eil thu cho laibharteach fèir mar a tha do bheachd oir bha am post leat mar "Jailtacht" gu fiorail.
