Why didn't the US allow the southern states to secede from the Union?
>>17426837While there was no federal income tax before the Civil War, if the south had seceded they would've stopped paying tarrifs and excise taxes to Washington. Moreover, the seceded south would pose an existential threat as a potential long-term rival to their northern neighbors. All things considered, Lincoln had no choice but to go to war. The alternative was a fractured power base and even worse carnage down the line.
>>17426837>Why didn't the US allow the southern states to secede from the Union?From the Unions perspective they didn't view the South's right to secede as legitimate or legal claim (which I think is technically correct? States aren't legally entitled to secession?), they also viewed it as a test of their authority in that if they failed to respond to this situation with authority that every single state would just do the same thing at their own convenience. That if the South was allowed to secede it would convince every state that the federal government was a push-over and it would create a nation of incubating traitors: all waiting for a convenient opportunity to undermine or sabotage the nation when they felt they didn't want to cooperate with the federal government anymore, so they made an example of the South. Some other reasons, that are not as significant but still important:-The federal government had spent a lot of time building, maintaining, and manning: infrastructure, public institutions, and military installations, across the southern states and from a certain perspective secession without any intention of compensation was perceived as theft. Northern banks had also loaned about 200 million dollars to the Southern States and had every intention of getting that money back.-The South also attacked first. Had the South employed a non-military or non-aggressive option things would have been more complicated, but they didn't, so not only was their secession viewed as unlawful, but with the added quality of 'striking first' they were now viewed as outright contemptuous and treasonous.
>>17426837Got to save the poor blacks from doing a little farm work.
>>17427089would you like to be a slave?
>>17427146Do I ask sheep and cattle if they enjoy being livestock?
>>17426837It was the southerners that prevented Yankees from getting rid of blacks btw. Everything in America today is at the fault of southerners being too lazy to pick cotton themselves
Lincoln had no intention of doing shit. The South initiated hostilities to provoke a war because they needed more states to join them
>>17426837We believed they would be an asset. We should have let them secede. They didn’t industrialize, we torpedoed them, blacks moved around America, they are still black, still poor, still different.Ideally we would take Texas and Virginia and leave the rest to the South.We don’t actually need the confederacy to be apart of our country.
>>17429055the northerners could've got rid of blacks at any point after the war ended, they just didn't care
>>17429055Right. We can't forget how the South forced the North to not only free the blacks but to give them political rights and even allow them to colonize the North. All the fault of the South, of course.>>17429071It's not that Northerners just didn't care, it's that they saw negroes as politically useful as a counterweight to Southerners.
>>17429112Fine, they just didn't care about removing blacks*. The actual point doesn't change. Even before the war efforts to repatriate blacks were half-hearted at best.If a central american state can tell a US president to fuck off and said US president meekly accepts the refusal of his request, you can assume the request wasn't that high of a priority, politically speaking.
>>17428398humans are not sheep and cattle
>>17429190they absolutely are, and that also includes 99% of white people
because then the North would have looked weak and allowed other regions to break away too.>>17427089nothing to do with that at least initially, Southerners wanted Slavery because they didnt want to pay poor whites to do work, most in the North didnt really care except for the most moralfagging of moralfags
>>17429191Retard. They aren't even in the same genus
>>17429191Cool, would you like to be a slave?
>>17426837South had important resources like cotton, no state wants to let part of it secede and become an economic/political rival, and the abolitionist faction in the north wouldn’t exactly be happy about an independent slave nation.
>>17427089How would you feel if I raped you and your family then separated you from each other for the rest of your life?
>>17429632Many abolitionists, most notably William Lloyd Garrison, actually wanted slave states to secede since that meant the federal government would no longer be constitutionally obligated to uphold slavery or return runaway slaves.
>>17427089why couldn't the whites do a little farm work? were they too incompetent?
>>17429480would you like to evade your tax form this year?
>>17430036>taxes is slaveryRetard. Don't want to pay taxes don't consent to live in a nation state
>>17430100Okay what if I don't consent to live in a nation state and wish to secede?
>>17430141go find some land not claimed by a nation and live there. i think there's some patches of land in the western sahara that no one wants. go live there. you won't.
>>17426837>why not give away half your population, army, territory, and gdpIf you have to ask that, you belong here
>>17430141You can easily leave.>secedeNever yours to begin with
>>17430421They weren’t half and they became a money sink post war.I like the South but they should be their own country. Just to prove Germans are better are building nations than Anglos.
>>17430753There is literally no one in the midwest or deep south who isn't one quarter German and one quarter English.
>>17429190>immediately dodges the questionEvery time.
>>17426854>would've stopped paying tarrifsNY paid the most tarrifs
>>17429190Blacks are a different species.
>>17431188proofs?
>>17426837No other great power would allow another part of their nation to secede.You think England would let Scotland leave or Russia let Ukraine leave?
>>17431219Russia did let Ukraine leave.A lot of large nations allowed smaller breakaways to leave.Power hates rival castles but its not some unbreakable rule especially in the case of the US which at least claims to be enlightened.The US should have let the South secede.The South had a smaller economy, smaller population, very little in the way of developmental potential, and in hindsight the South has been a net detriment as White Southerners did not make up for the economic and cultural deficit of black Southerners.The South was a functional state pre-war, it is to this day a dysfunctional pseudo-state.
>>17431464>Russia did let Ukraine leaveRusskis had little choice in the matter.
