>>17427526
Irrelevant
They weren't europeans
. Matriarchal
. Hapas
. stoners
. low quality material and social culture.

look at the Tajiks and Pakistanis, do they look civilized? If the answer is no, then the Scythians are worthless.
Calling the Scythians white is like saying that Juan Cortez from Durango is Spanish only for abstract reasons

>>17427538
>Matriarchal
>. Hapas
>. stoners
>. low quality material and social culture.
>look at the Tajiks and Pakistanis

Doesn't mesh. Tajiks and Pakis aren't any of these things.

Just read musaeum scythia guy. He's actually knowledgeable about the topic and isn't a schizo.

>>17427538
He doesn't claim all Scythians were like Goths, just the Royal Scythians (who oversaw a progressively more mixed confederation, which was a factor in their downfall).

>>17427548
How are they not? drug abuse among Tajik migrants in Europe is super common. I've never met one in person, but I've never heard anything very good.
and they are the biggest simps, almost as much as Indians, they are willing to obey an old white woman just because she is white for example.
and I don't think I need to talk about how poor their culture is. mainly at the ethnic level.
Guys, stop worshiping these useless guys

>>17427555
None of the very rich Scythian kurgans with published samples look like any Europeans.

>>17427559
>I've never met one in person, but I've never heard anything very good

You live in your bedroom. The fuck do you know?

Pseudo Hippocrates isn't a valid source and the Asiatic migration doesn't occur until after the Chinese population booms.

It's like you took every wrong idea and tried to make a post out of it.

>>17427555
>real Scythians
This is a contradiction for several reasons, mainly because it argues that the Scythians were a linear ethno-linguistic group and secondly because from a genetic point of view, there is no cline of European Scythians and Hapa Scythians. the latter is extremely consistent across all "Scythian" populations, even the most western ones.

>>17427566
>Scythians were a linear ethno-linguistic group

They were. It was a direct material and linguistic continuum with Persia. They spoke Iranic and they had the same material culture overlaps, especially in metal working.

>there is no cline of European Scythians and Hapa Scythians. the latter is extremely consistent across all "Scythian" populations, even the most western ones.

You mixed these up.

>>17427563
Sorry if I offended you with this, but as I said, there are no "European Scythians", they weren't European since at least post-tasmola.
and the European Scythians are so varied that it is laughable! we have Italian, Greek, Hungarian, Ukrainian "Scythians" and so on. What would a "European Scythian" be?

>>17427538
>>17427555
>>17427560
This is an example of the confusion he refers to in the video.

When ancient sources talk of "Scythians", they're not necessarily talking about the historical culture we call Scythians today. He argues it was a catch-all term for Indo-European descended peoples on the steppe and elsewhere.

Scythians as understood in our historical understanding were "Scythian" in historical sources, but the term wasn't exclusive to them. There was a conscious recognition of an interconnected Indo-European umbrella that tied these people together and these people were collectively called "Scythian".

>>17427526
>Asha Logos

Everything he says in his videos includes a reference, 100% legit. Brownoids on suicide watch itt

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>>17427577
>They were

they weren't. They are extremely varied, this confusion and simplicity is due to the Greeks calling everything that was Namade "Scythian". It's the same thing when we call Arab = Middle East.
>It was a direct material and linguistic continuum with Persia.

??? It has no relation to Persia and even from a material point of view, they are different. especially with his art. and do not compare Greek objects as if they were Scythian. Scythian art has a lot of influence from Asian people, especially with the representation of deer, look it up.
>They spoke Iranic
plausible, but that doesn't say much when nowadays we know that linguistics is not racially representative, especially of such varied people.
>and they had the same material culture overlaps, especially in metal working
See above. The best things, was made by greeks.
>You mixed these up.
Related pic

>>17427580
I literally said that

>>17427578
>there are no "European Scythians"
Sarmatians are strictly the group that moved west, still spoke Iranic, and still had the mobile horse-wagon culture. It isn't until the creation of Slavdom that they disappear. Is that why you don't want them to exist?

>European Scythians are so varied that it is laughable

Scythians split into Gothic and Iranic speakers, with the Goths becoming Germans and the Sarmatian-Iranics eventually adopting Slavic languages, then spreading it back to the Germanics.

The last time the Italians would have had Scythian ancestors were with the Veneti, the Hungarians and Ukrainians are post-modern constructions. Uko is just a 20th century offshoot of Russian and Hungarian is completely fabricated out of thin air. Their official language until the 19th century was Latin.

Greeks are Turk-Arab migrants.

>>17427591
>It's the same thing when we call Arab = Middle East

That's not incorrect. The entire region fell under the dominion of the caliphates, forming the Arab continuum. Holy fuck, if you got this wrong then you have zero chance of getting anything else right.

>Greeks calling everything

They also substantiated EVERYTHING. The whole reason we know there was a continuum is because they explicitly said there was a continuum and them go onto explain all of the major tribes in the western-central region.

>Scythian art has a lot of influence from Asian people, especially with the representation of deer

I can't tell if you're joking. That's a western art style you're referencing. The woman who had it as a tattoo, the Siberian Ice Princess, is R1a. She was a blonde Russian woman. The Turks were so upset by this find that their local governments banned further excavations because they wanted a claim to the land and they cried racism when they found out she was white.

>plausible

So you're confessing to not knowing anything about the region. All of the geographical and individual names are transmitted in Iranic.

>varied people

Again, incorrect. Not sure where you're getting this idea. The most you could say is the outskirt regions, like Georgie with its hundred languages, were.

>see above
Irrelevant to anything we've said so far. It looks like your just posting pictures and hoping it will be taken to mean something academic, when it does nothing to serve any point whatsoever. You are an idiot.

>made by Greeks
What's the evidence for this, when we see an Iranic speaking peoples using metallurgical arts that look like the same styles as those of other Iranic speaking peoples in Persia?

>>17427591
We wuz hapas n sheit

>>17427566
>there is no cline of European Scythians and Hapa Scythians. the latter is extremely consistent across all "Scythian" populations, even the most western ones.
Do you have a source? not disputing what you say, just curious.

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>>17427629
Hes correct

>>17427526
Scythians were without a doubt one of the purest forms of Aryans.
>but why
check:
>herodotus
>archeology
>archeogenetics
and you will have 0 doubts

>>17427594
Nah, that's impossible.

>Scythians split into Gothic and Iranic speakers, with the Goths becoming Germans and the Sarmatian-Iranics eventually adopting Slavic languages
It's not supported in any way by genetics.

>>17427613
>the Siberian Ice Princess, is R1a. She was a blonde Russian woman.
You're pretty clueless, aren't you? Women don't have Y-DNA. Also, I don't think we even have her DNA.

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>>17427643
>>17427566
>I'm correct
you're wrong, but you already know that

>>17427655
I m not him, ashacope
>34% chink
I accept your concession

>>17427655
Explain this for a retard

Were they hapas or not?

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>>17427664
They were.

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>>17427662
>>17427664
I take it you are retarded, can't read graphs and have split personality. S

>>17427647
>Women don't have Y-DNA
Irrelevant, she had the phenotypical characteristics of someone from R1a. Since we're not tracking gender but rather racial phenotypes, you should have been able to connect the dots here.

The reason I bring that up is because I'm about to dump related pictures.

>>17427664
just read the graph, it's not that hard, some were happas, majority were not, and even worse, there was a Royal Scythian tribe that practiced racial purity to the point of having 0 slaves and 0 non racially Scythian members, off course this shill ITT will want you to believe otherwise, but the truth is here:
>>17427644

>>17427681
Like I said, you are clueless.

>>17427684
>racial purity
Except Scythian came from the Altai and those racially pure Scythians already had East Asian ancestry.

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>>17427686
You want there to be confusion when there is none. Why?

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>>17427705
>Except Scythian came from the Altai
>East Asian ancestry

Yes, white people are originally from Asia.

>>17427671
I'm >>17427664

I'm not the other guy and I have no idea about the Scythians, I'm legitimately just curious

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>>17427705
yes, that's why they were descrived as blonde, red haired and light eyed, kys, retard, mummified remains with hair also prove this, herodotus prove this and genetics prove this, you already know this, you're just damage controlling, coping, shilling and dilating, but doing it very poorly

>>17427716
well, pardon me, shills tend to samefag, ask away I'm also interested in them and have done some googling and shit

>>17427684
>some were happas, majority were not, and even worse, there was a Royal Scythian tribe that practiced racial purity to the point of having 0 slaves and 0 non racially Scythian members
So this vindicates the theory Asha Logos presents in the video?

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>>17427719
Finally a voice of reason itt

>>17427726
these subhuman shills are on /his/ 24/7... let's discuss Scythians instead of calling them retards and telling them to kts, we have a real bro here that might want to learn:
>>17427716

>>17427719
You can have East Asian ancestry and be blond or red haired. Stop being stupid.
>>17427725
Majority of local Scythians from Ukraine resembled Slavs, not any Nordics. They also carried Slavic haplogroups. Goths resembled Scandinavians.

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they came from the euro-asiatic steppe

>>17427746
They came from the Altai.

>>17427745
>You can have East Asian ancestry and be blond or red haired. Stop being stupid.
yes, but if you are "happa" your chances to be blonde and red haired go down, more happa you are, more likely you are to have dark hair and eyes, but you already know this, retard faggot shill, how many hot pockets did they pay you today? half? Oof

>>17427751
k, source

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>>17427751
This

>>17427753
Hapa is an exaggeration for the majority of Scythians. Many Scytho-Siberians were hapa, though.
I think early royal Scythian samples (from Tuva) had around 30-40% Northeast Asian ancestry.

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Pay close attention to the geography here.

>>17427765
They came from the Altai in the Iron Age, you posted completely irrelevant Paleolithic stuff.

>>17427768
You can tell me Scythian tribes living far east might have mixed, that is written down in the /his/tory of the Wusun, Yuezhi and Xiongnu. Those were political royal marriages promoted by the Chinese, to keep them pacified. It worked. But that's not a real representation of what Scythians were. Even less so Royal Scythians.

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>>17427773
>They came from the Altai in the Iron Age
Nope. There is an existing pre-strata. Aryanism extends back before recorded history.

>>17427775
>Those were political royal marriages promoted by the Chinese

Far east mixtures aren't even common until after the Chinese population booms. Siberia and central Asia didn't get mutted until after the Chinese pop boom of the 14th century and kicked into overdrive with another boom in the 16th-17th century.

>>17427775
>even less so royal scythians. Well, this man and woman were buried in one of the richest and earliest Scythian kurgans.

Distance to: Russia_Tuva_IA_AldyBel:I0577
0.06440765 Udmurt
0.06623694 Bashkir
0.06729900 Besermyan
0.07342889 Khanty_o1
0.07872624 Tatar_Lipka
0.08830443 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.08847516 Saami
0.08978517 Tatar_Kazan
0.09428536 Chuvash
0.09825068 Tatar_Siberian


Distance to: Russia_Tuva_IA_AldyBel:I0576
0.04903412 Tubalar
0.05932661 Altaian_Kizhi_o
0.06297361 Shor_Mountain
0.06454595 Shor
0.06507514 Tatar_Siberian
0.06730950 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.06805868 Shor_Khakassia
0.07962005 Karakalpak
0.08133559 Nogai
0.08294437 Khakass

900-700 BCE

>The Arzhan culture is considered as forming the initial Scythian period (8th–7th century BC), and precedes the Pazyryk culture.[3] The remains of Arzhan are among the earliest of all known Scythian cultures, which has led to suggestions that it is the origin of the Scythian "Animal Style".[4] It is the first stage of the Saka Uyuk culture.

>>17427779
if you want to read about what I'm talking about it's written down in the wussun, xiongnu, and yuezhi wikipedia pages, pretty sure it is written in the wussun one

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>>17427783
You're way too comfortable with admixtures while simultaneously not knowing what an admixture is.

>>17427783
cool story bro, now see:
>>17427655

>>17427783
And here is their unpublished relative, a princely warrior grave.

>> Most likely, he was a brown-eyed, dark-haired and swarthy man. Scientists identified the same mitochondrial haplogroup in this man as in the "queen" from the Arzhan-II burial mound. Moreover, their sequences differed from each other by only one mutation. On his father's side, the man belonged to one of the lines of the Y-chromosomal haplogroup Q. It was also found among other nomads of the early Iron Age who lived in this region.

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>>17427790
>On his father's side, the man belonged to one of the lines of the Y-chromosomal haplogroup Q.

Weasel words. Every Eurasian, including whites, all had Q. It's substrative. You're going to detect it regardless.

>>17427790
yes we get it, Scythians were absolutely african, kys
>>17427746

>>17427788
>no sample size
I mean, those are individuals. These guys:

>>They found the royal couple, sixteen murdered attendants, and 9,300 objects.[20] 5,700 of these artifacts were made of gold, weighing a Siberian record-breaking twenty kilograms.[20] The male, who researchers guess was some sort of king, wore a golden torc, a jacket decorated with 2,500 golden panther figurines, a gold-encrusted dagger on a belt, trousers sewn with golden beads, and gold-cuffed boots.[20] The woman wore a red cloak that was also covered in 2,500 golden panther figurines, as well as a golden-hilted iron dagger, a gold comb, and a wooden ladle with a golden handle.[20] The couple was buried together, suggesting that the woman was killed to keep the king company in the afterlife.[20] The tomb also had thousands of beads, including over four hundred made of Baltic amber.[20]

>Genetic and anthropomorphic analysis was made on the King and the Queen from the central burial of Arzhan-2. They both display typical Saka genetic characteristics, being a fairly balanced combination of Western Steppe ancestry (Sintashta, Srubnaya, Andronovo type), and Eastern Eurasian ancestry (Khövsgöl LBA type, from northern Mongolia), with a small contribution of BMAC-type ancestry.[23]

>>17427804
Is this royal enough for you?

>>17427804
>those are individuals.
...You don't know what a sample size is. Look it up. We're not talking about populations, we're talking about samples.

>They both display typical Saka genetic characteristics, being a fairly balanced combination of Western Steppe ancestry (Sintashta, Srubnaya, Andronovo type), and Eastern Eurasian ancestry (Khövsgöl LBA type, from northern Mongolia)

As already thoroughly proven, this means that they were Celtic. What we think of as Celts are just western Scythians from before the BAC.

See:>>17427730
>>17427726
>>17427721
>>17427715
>>17427712
>>17427706

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>>17427526
There seem to be some traces of Scythian presence in Japan (which Wikipedia is censoring).
>Asha Logos
I can't imagine a more emotionless content creator. 3/4 of his videos are meaningless, slow yapping about nothing. "Our history has been subverted, muh heritage, muh values" - dude, I understand your passion, but get to the fucking point.

>>17427817
There's a very anti-white Europhobic agenda at play on there and obviously ITT. Good work finding that, that's a terrific catch.

Also yes his slow-ramble style is annoying.

>>17427813
I didn't post averages. You wanted royal Scythians, I posted two samples buried in a very rich, very early Scythian kurgan from Tuva.

>Celtic
So I'm guessing Hallstatt and La Tene weren't Celts? Because genetically they looked completely different. And yes, including the richest Celtic graves ever found.

>>17427817
yes, he gets drunk on modern politics, but the dude is the best source reciter I've seen yet, but he's not wrong on modern plitics, look at this fucking shill ITT trying to portray royal scythians as brownoids, the absolute state

>>17427824
You live in a fantasy world and clearly don't care about the truth. More, you avoid and ignore the truth.

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>>17427790
We wuz whitez

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>>17427832
I finally get it, Scythians were brown, thank you for enlightening me and showing me the truth, shill, kys

>>17427837
This guy apparently resembled Kazakhstan or Xinjiang Saka.

>>17427824
>look at this fucking shill ITT trying to portray royal scythians as brownoids, the absolute state

It speaks to desperate measures. It's so obviously wrong and disproven that it bears no attention, so why does he persist? It can't be anything other than desperation.

>>17427837
See:>>17427788
You were hard countered off the rip. Stop embarrassing yourself. Do better.

>>17427837
wrong:
>>17427655

>>17427844
>It speaks to desperate measures. It's so obviously wrong and disproven that it bears no attention, so why does he persist? It can't be anything other than desperation.
whatever "it" is it is here 24/7, so if he is a single dude, his health is gonna come reap his poor soul soon enough

>>17427845
But you realize that most of these samples are clearly locals? There's actually a study about Ukrainian Scythians with some elites. Local elites resemble mostly Moldovan Scythians, so Balkan/Greek like. Nomad elites are diverse - three cluster with Caucasians, one with Slavs and one with Sarmatians. Sorry, no Germanics there - not in the East, nor in the West.

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>>17427843
>saka
1000% hapa
*i chose the most "pure" sample

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>>17427855
>germanics
are you drunk on retard cocktails or something?
kys

>>17427849
>whatever "it" is it is here 24/7, so if he is a single dude, his health is gonna come reap his poor soul soon enough
If it is who I think it is, and judging by the timing of the second temple thread that got VPN boosted, he's on both disability and German reparations payment for the holocaust and he's living off of family. He's plugged in for life at this point, it may just be out of habit. He doesn't even buy it anymore but it's become first nature for him.

>>17427855
>one with Slavs and one with Sarmatians. Sorry, no Germanics there

There were no Slavs at the time. Those were all Germanic speakers.

>>17427863
what fills me with joy is knowing he shills something he knows to be false

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It’s sad, but the most “white” and “European” Scythians were really Tajiks.
the remaining samples are even more Mongoloid and subhuman.

>>17427869
calling aryans germanics is a bit iffy lad, doesn't make much sense, call them aryans, germans are nothing but the mixture of aryans (eastern and western) and nordics, if anything germanics are aryan, aryans are not germanic
t. I'm not the shill you're replying to

>>17427878
cool story bro, see:
>>17427655

>>17427869
This is not how it works. Slavs, or rather Balto-Slavs clearly existed and lived in East Europe.

>>17427878
See:>>17427788

You have no idea what the fuck you're even posting lmao

>>17427880
>calling aryans germanics is a bit iffy lad, doesn't make much sense

The language is a direct descendant and the material culture of the Norse comes from the Aorsi, a Scythian people whose Persian morphed into Germanic. It's why the Heimskringla says western Russia was ruled by the Swedish empire and why the Rus Chronicles call the Baltic sea the "Varangian Sea". Dexippus straight up calls the Goths "Scythians" explicitly even while giving them German names.

>>17427883
obviously these are not real Scythians.
the real Scythians had a much higher level of WSH and could not have been simply a mixture of Slavs and Mongoloids.

>>17427899
>Slavs, or rather Balto-Slavs clearly existed and lived in East Europe
Prove it.

>>17427909
Germanics expanded from Scandinavia. People similar to Slavs lived in Ukraine since at least the Bronze Age. They also lived in Poland (Trzciniec culture). When they tested Goths from Wielbark they were clearly Scandinavians.

>>17427902
I'm not saying goths don't come from Scythians, wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were, what I'm saying is germans are aryans and not the other way around
aryans, are the root, germanics are a consequence or a branch

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>>17427909
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>>17427526
What do Phrygian caps really mean?

>>17427910
>Germanics expanded from Scandinavia
That's not what the recorded history says. It says they expanded out of western Russia. Again, Dexippus, Snorri, etc etc. You need to deconstruct their claims if you want to move forward.

>>17427911
>what I'm saying is germans are aryans and not the other way around
>aryans, are the root, germanics are a consequence or a branch
Well obviously.

>>17427918
/his/ isn't ready to discuss the Phrygians.

>>17427918
>What do Phrygian caps really mean?
I wish I knew, my interpretation is that is one of the hats original Aryans of the steppe wore, it makes sense, cause the steppe is cold as a motherfucker, other than that idk, I remember reading somewhere that it was some kind of reminder of some animal pelt they used to wear as a hat that had this distinctive shape, haven't seen anything conclusive on it

>>17427920
They just talk about Goths who migrated from Scandinavia to Ukraine forming Chernyakhov culture.

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>>17427931
I see that your tactic is to gamble that no one can Google anything to figure out that you're lying.

Is that even worth your time?

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Notice anything about this temple /his/?

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>>17427946
Notice the pattern.

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>>17427949
>>17427946
Phrygians came from the Balkans. That's why you see some strategy game maps including Celts in Turkey. The problem is that every culture after the BAC came from the Balkans.

>>17427878
>distance
LMAO, you're retarded

>>17427938
That's what DNA and archeology shows. I don't really care about your fairy tales. They aren't supported by any evidence.

>>17427949
>Germanic
Celtic. In fact, we have his DNA. He clusters with South French/North Spaniards. According to the paper:

HOC001 (Hochdorf chief)
Steppe - 37
WHG - 12
Farmer - 49

Distance to: Celtic:HOC001_merged
0.07217447 French_Provence
0.07237979 Spanish_Galicia
0.07247621 Spanish_Extremadura
0.07263407 Spanish_Baleares
0.07291229 Portuguese

>>17427526
He's half wrong, half right. Scythians originally resembled NW Euros due to high Sintashta input, but they mixed out quickly with Mongoloids and BMAC/Iran_N.
Also, Scythian culture was not significantly connected to Persian culture. Scythians rejected Zoroaster, and Zoroastrianism grow more among BMAC. It's a lot like how Jews reject Jesus, and Christianity grew among Europeans. At a certain point you have to say the culture "diverged" significantly to become its own thing.
Europeans do not have strong ethnocultural connections to Zoroastrianism, but they may to Scythians. The thing with Scythians is their culture has to be reconstructed, and anyways, when we do this, we see they do not fit LARP fantasy. For example, Scythians had rituals of "enaree" and becoming transvestitism (I am saying this in an impartial manner).
Asha Logos is a LARPer, and he has not even read Zoroastrian scriptures or studied any of this outside of LARP fantasy.

>>17428012
It is high likely that Persians were Scythians at one point.
We have plenty of blonde Scythian mummies.
Most Scythian samples, read MOST, aka the mathematical majority, cluster with ukranians.
>scythians were not following the Persian religion
lmao, obviously, why would they?
>Asha Logos is a LARPer
he gets too carried away by modern politics, but he's 10/10 source reciter, and that has a lot of value nowadays

No, Asha is a moron and probably brown.

>>17428032
>cluster with Ukrainians
Whoa, samples from Ukraine cluster with Ukrainians? Crazy stuff. Pre-Scythian samples clustered with Ukrainians, maybe this is why some guys from the Scythian era also clustered with Ukrainians?

>>17428012
Ancestors of Scythians resembled Sintashta. Scythians were mixed.

>>17428047
yeah I know it's crazy people from the steppe resemble people from the steppe, I know, I know, I'm losing my mind right now

>>17428054
most purest aryans were "mixed" so the whole argument is retarded

>>17428055
No, the point is that Scythians came from the East, from Altai. They mixed with locals which is why Ukrainian Scythian samples are so diverse.

>>17428032
>It is high likely that Persians were Scythians at one point.
No. Persians were *initially* more like Yaghnobis, roughly half BMAC/Iran_N and Sintashta. However, that's roughly 500 years before Achaemenid empire.
>We have plenty of blonde Scythian mummies.
Ok. We also have blue eyed samples in Peqi'in Cave that had no steppe admixture. They also had T paternal haplogroup.
Superficial phenotypical features do not capture autosomal dna and ancestral features fully. You can have blue eyes and blonde hair without being of steppe descent.
>Most Scythian samples, read MOST, aka the mathematical majority, cluster with ukranians.
Perhaps before admixture events.
Sintashta and Scythians moved around a lot as a nomadic steppe peoples. The ones that went into Central Asia mixed with BMAC and the ones around China mixed with Mongoloids, but yes, many most likely moved Westward. Regardless, they were not Zoroastrian since that was formed from interactions with BMAC. For example, fire worship predated their incursions in BMAC. Their influence was not unidirectional.
>he gets too carried away by modern politics, but he's 10/10 source reciter, and that has a lot of value nowadays
Not really. I would agree STJ is a bit better but not Asha Logos. Asha Logos is a massive LARPer and doesn't bother with modern studies at all.

Anyways, why do you care about Scythians do much? The past 300 years of Europe and Germany are culturally more sophisticated than anything from that time, but even so, the Europeans did make significant mistakes too (such as embrace mechanization). Caring about these past superstitious barbarians is reflective of civilizational decline.

>>17428057
>be aryans
>have light eyes and hair
>mix with asiatic phenotypical people
>inherit nonoe of them features
>preserve all your original features
funny how that works huh?

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>>17428060
>Anyways, why do you care about Scythians do much?
I just like them, what about you, what makes you go out of your way, tring to portray them as some sort of brownoids, are you ok?

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>>17428062
>preserve all your original features
The Greeks probably described locals that joined Scythian tribes. Pazyryk art depicts also darker Scythians.

>>17428066
I don't have brown skin, and I don't care about superficial features. Also, there can be attractive "whiteoids and brownoids"; attractiveness is complex, and I think it ties as much as to the gut microbiome, skin health from diet, etc. It is a lot more dynamic than you think.
>I just like them
We don't know much about them. It has to be reconstructed. For example, there is some "evidence" that becoming trannies and having practices like "enaree" existed.
>what about you
I made myself clear that the past 300 years of Europe was culturally more sophisticated than anything from the past.
However, I don't like going around race baiting, dehumanizing others, and so on based on chauvinist LARP fantasies. Moreover, I don't like this obsessive sum-zero game of constantly sizing up on others by claiming civilizational superiority, especially given how rapidly things flip-flop or change on both individual and collective level.
I'm not a liberal either if that's what you infer from what I'm saying.

At the end of the day, we are apes bickering among each other in an unnatural way behind computer screens.

>>17428076
>However, I don't like going around race baiting, dehumanizing others
well that's what you're trying to do with your posts, or at least your post is loaded with the material such kind of poster usually posts

>>17428072
cool story bro
>>17427746

>>17428084
I've only made two posts here:
>>17428060
>>17428076

Tell me how I am race baiting or dehumanizing others?

>>17428086
Yes, because every single Scythian looked the same, lol.

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>>17428094
no, they were all brown with chinese eyes, read wikipedia it's written on there

>>17428092
you're basically saying this:
>>17428097
unironically

So, to recap
>The people called "Scythians" at different times weren't necessarily actually the Scythians we talk about in a historical sense and the term was instead used to refer to the Indo-European steppe civilisation more broadly
>There's evidence Goths and other Germanics were perceived (by themselves and others) as being under this same umbrella
>Scythians were a mixed race confederation, more Asian the further east and more European the further West, becoming more diverse over time
>The ruling clan - the Royal Scythians - seem to be more homogeneous according to historical testimonies, but some genetic data disputes this
Is this basically true?

>>17428104
>the term was instead used to refer to the Indo-European steppe civilisation more broadly
No, they talked about Saka/Scythians. Did they consider Sogdians or Bactrians Scythians?
>Goths
Because of their expansion from Ukraine. I doubt there's any other reason.
>more Asian the further east and more European the further West
Scythians are from the East. The culture emerged near the Altai Mountains and the oldest Scythian kurgans are from Tuva. When they migrated East they became more West Eurasian.

>>17428103
I am not saying they were *all* like that the way that guy did, but a lot of them were due to admixture events.

Improve your reading comprehension and read what I said here: >>17428060

Yes, there were fair featured Scythians.

>>17428104
>>The people called "Scythians" at different times weren't necessarily actually the Scythians we talk about in a historical sense and the term was instead used to refer to the Indo-European steppe civilisation more broadly
they were a people they called themselves some other name, not scythins, they were a confederation or an empire if you will, ruled by a central tribe, the Royal Scythians, this tribe was the mos numerous and practiced racial purity (according to herodotus, I know, herodtus that nazi incel /pol/tard), they recognized themselves as one big culture/tribe
>>Scythians were a mixed race confederation, more Asian the further east and more European the further West, becoming more diverse over time
Well they faded and only slavs remain, you could argue that slavs are mixed, but they still preserve mostly fair features, and if you say "most slavs have asian eyes" you'd be wrong
anyways, feel free to ask because rambling blindly feels retarded

>>17428112
>Yes, there were fair featured Scythians.
well, I've seen like 3 scythian mummies that preserve hair, out of those 2 have light hair and another brown hair, wikipedia cites sources descriving them as fair featured, dna shows them clustering close to slavs
so what do you want me to tell you?

>>17428117
I agreed they were initially close to Slavs, but the ones that went Southward to BMAC and Eastward near China mixed.

I was pretty clear in saying that.

>>17428121
ok that sounds reasonable

>>17428121
They were never close to Slavs.
>dna shows them clustering close to slavs
They don't cluster close to Slavs.

>>17428135
>>17428116
>>17428116
I would agree Zoroaster was initially a Slav, but other Slavs rejected him, and his message grew more among BMAC-mixed people. That's how I interpret the Gathas.
This parallels Jesus being a Jew, rejected by other Jews, but growing more among non-Jews.

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>>17428117
They weren't europeans

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>>17428137
Correct

>>17428144
bro you're not getting it at such an industrial scale that you might as well kys

>>17428157
>>17428137
retarded
>>17427655

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>>17427878
Yes
>>17427755
Greek
>>17427750
Greek
>>17427744
Greek
>>17427737
Greek
those beautiful "Scythian" masks weren't really "european Scythians" they were Asians. (Tashtyk)
But the truth is, all Scythian art is foreign, what is native is rubbish

>>17428169
This is bait. What are your actual beliefs?

>>17428164
We accept your defeat
>>17428169
Let him dream! We wuz hapas

>>17428170
I can refute you, that's all Greek. 100% Greek.
In fact, these mascaras I posted are Greek. Do you want to be humiliated again? It's a challenge
haha
>>17428171
No. Its ashaschizo himself

>>17428171
>look how retarded I am, hah that means you lost
lulz

>>17427526
He's right

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>>17427918
>>17427924
it means freedom
>t. name literally means "aryan/free landowner", born of the steppe, and smokes vveed

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>>17428175
ok, you asked for embarrassment.
Shall we begin the refutation?
1/3

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>>17428179
2/3

>>17428179
ok you asked for this, prove this:
>>17427737
is greek, I'll wait

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>>17428180
3/3
>>17428169
These masks originate from Eastern crafts, and the Scythians of this culture were super hapas
Hapas bros? Our answer??

>>17428183
>Our answer??
your answer is to seethe 24/7 on this board, being debunked over and over again, you didn't just lost at 4chan, you lost at life itself

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anyways, your bait is weak, and you're a massive faggot, later gaylord

>>17428174
>I can refute you, that's all Greek. 100% Greek.
What's your evidence exactly? There are other Scythian artifacts for reference. If anything, what we're calling Greek is likely Scythian.

>>17428188
I accept your defeat
I dare you: try to refute any of my posts lmao
You can't
>claims we wuz Europeans and get genetic btfo
>post lots of greek art being supposedly hapa/Scythian
Kek

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>>17428193
You already lost.
all these artifacts are Greek, compare with the hapa trash 100% hapa without influence from Greek BVLLS artisans
see the difference, hapaflag
art made by Scythians was simplistic in comparison with stuff made by primo Greek artisans - they were semi-nomadic steppe peoples. I stg you look at the art of literally any group of people on the planet who lived that lifestyle and it’s all stylized animals with lots of spirals
Looks like African kek related photo

>>17427526
He's wrong if what you've said is his argument.
There was a Greek tradition of naming peoples after geographical region they're from that entered their historiography somewhere during the Roman period and its purpose was purely literary - to avoid repetition. The easiest example I've seen myself was Zosimos description of 3rd century Gothic(and other E Germanic) raids where he will talk about the Goths doing something and then in the next sentence continuing their actions but referring to them as Scythians. Even thought Zosimos post-dates Cassiodorus, this practice penetrated latin writing at some point but you'll need classicist to tell you when was that I'm not that familiar with it.

What happens in case of Getica is that it's a complex text. It's meant to be a short version of work by Cassiodorus, who wrote about history of the goths during the time when he was a courtier at the court of Theodoric(it is as such, partially propaganda). That work however was lost. Now Jordanes may have also had access to the works of Ablabius, who's either romanised Goth or a Roman who could be described as ethnologist, but his works are also lost and this assumption is inferred from the fact that Jordanes notes that not everyone agrees that Theodoric's family has the highest status among the Goths. Given that Jordanes seems to hint he's also a Goth himself(or at least Germanic), serves under Gothic general in ERE service and says that more can be learned from asking the Goths about their songs this may be the 3rd strain of information he provides(his information about the Veneti being Slavs is 100% something he adds to the material as he's a secretary of a general who guards Danubian border around the time slavs show up for the first time).

will talk about cassiodorus in the next post.

>>17428207
wow, how ugly. It looks like the trash I saw at the natural history museum about the Plains Indians
The Scythians were shamanic, they worshiped animals and forces of nature, unlike Greek paganism where the gods were humanoids.
Tajiks don't stop losing

>>17428213
wow jaha OP was obliterated 12 times today
Don't hit him anymore, he's already learned his lesson

>>17428207
That’s just how it is when you don’t have developed city states with an artisan class yet, and why they outsourced if they wanted something more technically intricate.

>>17428214
>they worshiped animals and forces of nature, unlike Greek paganism where the gods were humanoids

Every single one of their deities and titans are natural forces. Hesiod and Orpheus literally start their mythologies with forces of nature and explaining their evolution. Zeus is literally the sky, Hera is literally the airs, they both come from Rhea because her name literally means mixture.

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Why would you we wuz as trannies who got dominated by Hun-Avar bvlls? I don't understand.

>sythians were not white people
You faggots need to suicide.

>>17428213
When you read into the text, you can notice that elements of Cassiodorus works are very recognisable because they're also a composite of at least two different strands of sources.
Stories like that of Berig and the 3 ships leaving Skanza or the storm on the bridge during the reign of Filimer are almost certainly Gothic tradition as are the stories about Ermanric(attested in Roman sources but we know he became part of the heroic cycles in the medieval Germanic world so Gothic traditions may have been the main source on him). Iirc the line about the destruction of the temple of Artemis mentions names of the leaders of that particular expedition, unattested anywhere else and if you know anything about heroic poetry you know this kind of feat would be seen as worthy of a song.
Well granted the 3 ships may exist just to make it appear as if most likely semi-subjigated tribe that formed part of the Ostrogothic state(the name escaped me for some reason) as well as the attempt to make the split between Visi and Ostrogoths appear more ancient than it really was. That's just btw.

The second strain is Cassiodorus-made propaganda that is based on erroneous attribution of certain events to the Goths. Part of it was an ancient attempt of trying to "age up" your nation(or in this case, the nation of your patrons), something Ovid or all the ancient Israelite types have done. Jordanes, who has some pro-gothic sympathies even relays an opinion saying that the history of the goths is as ancient and worthy as that of the romans or something like that, so this attempt didn't even end there. However, what Cassiodorus has done was 1. increase the importance of the Amalungs(Theodoric) in history of the Gothic people, 2. Most likely simplify their tribal structure pre-late 4th century 3. Wedded them into general history where Cassiodorus purposefully used the aforementioned writing style wrong and made the Goths into Scythians to artificially expand their history.

>>17428234
send this to thuletide

>>17428238
Oh I forgot to mention one interesting element. Jordanes writes the first exhaustive description of tribes living in Scandinavia and they sort of line up with later sources. This is most likely part of Cassiodorus work, as there's a mention of Danish prince, expelled from his tribe(chiefdom?) on the court of Theodoric, which is very interesting because a lot of people have this kind of assumption that the contact between northern and southern Europe must have been difficult but it was probably fairly well understood on both sides of the limes what's happening even quite deep into the other side of the continent. The Danish prince evidently knew there's some Germanic hero-king in the south and decided to find an exile at his court. The other example are the Heruli who have at some point splintered and just went back to their homeland after probably centuries of absence.

It's not related to the OP but I always found it fascinating.

>>17428207
>You already lost.
On the contrary: you're working to prove that Greeks were part of the Aryan-Scythian continuum. :)

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Direct Scythian descendants conquering Pidorland.

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>>17428182
well, it seems that you're an absolute and total homosexual by your lack of proof that that shit was greek, not surprised though

>>17427777
Just a bit. In Japanese. Guru guru/Kurukuru means spinning around. That has roots in PIE language as well.

>>17427526
>thread about Getes
>no mention of Getes
LMAO

Gete/Massagete/Sagete/Sacae/etc

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It's the Cuktasha heritage that made Scythians the way the were.

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>>17427712
>>17427706
Red = brown when it comes to Chinese sources.
>wai
Brown isn't a natural colour the way you'd imagine. Just a simple task - point brown at pic related. You can't, because, you see, brown is when you take red or yellow and darken it. The Chinese nowadays have a neologism for brown 棕色 - zhongse, zhong meaning palm or hemp(the kind of hemp you make ropes from) and se means colour, but they've used to say but they've used to say 咖啡色 - kafeise more commonly until recently. I'll leave it to you to figure out what does kafei mean because it's obvious - it's brown and there's a very similar word in english because it was something that was imported into China.

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>>17428328
True. Brown hair exists on a spectrum. Nordgoloids thought Augustus was a blonde Nordix kang this whole time when he had brown hair in reality. The stupidity in their translations must be on purpose. Subflavus means SUB-yellow.

>>17428328
>>17428339
is this >>17427746 brown?

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>>17428343
Mummified hair gets discolored sometimes due to the mummification process. Brown hair is specially vulnerable to this. It can change color pretty easily. Look at this Swedish doctor who decided to become and kang and his hair became lighter in the process.

>>17428347
>Mummified hair gets discolored sometimes due to the mummification process.
ok prove that specific mummy was discolored, that one in particular, go ahead

>>17428339
With blonde it's even more convoluted because there's blonde as in almost yellow blonde but there's for instance my hair colour which is the easiest described as "flaxen". So if we wanted to decipher what "subflavus" even means we're going to have to deal with the question whether they mean "sub-yellow" as in auburn as in flaxen. Would a Roman see flaxen hair as "yellow" given that Mediterraneans generally don't see blondes all to often they may have seen flaxen hair as "flavus" while auburn were "subflavus", or yellow blonde was "flavus" and flaxen was "subflavus" just as well.
With red hair even when you're dealing with Udmurts or the Irish they only have it in plurality, it's not a majority so if someone mentions "red haired barbarians" he's 90% likely to talk about some shade of brown.

>>17427821
Download and spread it, the world needs to know.

>>17427538
Pontic steppe scythians are jeet admixed tajiks or Paki’s lmao

>>17427613
>The woman who had it as a tattoo, the Siberian Ice Princess, is R1a.
Women can't have Y-DNA haplogroups, pseud

>>17427681
>Irrelevant, she had the phenotypical characteristics of someone from R1a.
Why can't you just say "she looked Iranic" instead of misusing terminology you don't understand? You wouldn't even be wrong, since R1a-Z93 is an Indo-Iranian patrilineage.

>>17427712
>>17427706
Cherchen Man wasn't a Celt, nor was anyone who lived in the Tarim Basin 3-4kya. The culture associated with the Tarim mummies was very closely related to various West Siberian Hunter Gatherer populations that lived just east of the Urals and in northern Kazakhstan at the time. They were unrelated to Indo-Europeans, but for some reason had plenty of trade routes to and from Indo-European-inhabited regions.

>>17427771
>some Gravettian-related group migrated east and mixed with some proto-east-Asian group to form the Ancient North Eurasians
This information is freely available on the wikipedia page for the ANE.

>>17427538
Scythians weren't matriarchal you retard

>>17428347
I'm honestly curious, why do you bother? This board is full of autistic no-lifer virgins whose only "valuable" attributes in this life are their light hair and light eyes on their morbidly obese bodies. They will never accept that ancient Romans were anything less than the lightest pigmented Norwegians of today. Your arguments will never convince them.

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>>17427555
Skadi was the ruling princess of the royal Scythians who lost at the battle versus Macedon. She was banished to marry the north sea chieftain Njordr as a result, but she eventually divorced him and moved to Scania afterwards because it was flatter and warmer/drier like the steppe. Her location after having divorced Njordr is what Scania/Scandza is named after.
picrel is where the last official royal scythians lost versus macedon.
tldr;
Skadi is basically a female Napoleon.

>>17429244
skibidi schythians, interesting, legitimately interested, what's your source for this?

>>17429157
shills shilling, explains it all really, they don't even believe half of what they post

Why are people so interested in Scythians anyways
They are extinct

>>17429286
slavs of today are most likely their descendants, but I like the theory that udmurts, scots and irish are also their descendants

>>17429266
The king of the Scythians at this battle was the 90 year old (not a typo) King Ateas.
According to the norse attestations, Skadis father was Þjazi/Thiazi. (Phonetically it is the same name)
The battle between the Dunlendings (Makedonians) and Rohirrim (Scythians) in the newest LOTR movie is LITERALLY the Tolkien-version of Skadis origin story.
So the source is basically that the mediterranean and norse accounts agree on who the king of the losing Scythians were.
A fleeing obscure daughter of a 90 year old fallen king would not necessarily draw attention among mediterranean scribes,- which is why Tolkien barely mentioned this "Skadi" in his own works, because his LOTR is supposed to be a catholic perspective on the anglo-norse history of contact with the mediterranean and arrival of early christianity.

>>17429347
c-can I have a clear and concise source pls? I just really like scythians

>>17429352
https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1843/scythian-territorial-expanse/

>>17429355
I'll check it later today, a million thanks anon
btw in my imagination I always pictured Royal Scythians to be dwelling somewhere in the middle of the steppe, for logistical reasons and such. granted they were nomadic and mobile. do you share the take that scythians pastured during non winter and raided during winter (to get away from the freezing cold of the steppe)? also, what else do you know about the royal scythians?

>>17427594
>Hungarian is completely fabricated out of thin air. Their official language until the 19th century was Latin.
just to be clear: you are claiming hungarian is a conlang created in the 1800's?

>>17427526
Link's dead, so here's a new one.
>https://archive.org/details/youtube-vRCIgqpIlzQ

>>17429362
>also, what else do you know about the royal scythians
that the Massagetae are their precursors, whom derived from the downriver offshoots of R1b-V88 cattleherders of the upper Euphrates and Tigris region, known as the Gutians, which they share with the norse canon that also considers themselves as being born of the cow Audhumbla.
Siddharta Gautama for example is a prince of the Massagetae/Early gothic eastern offshoots into the himalayan region, whose name is clearly gothic.
tldr;
Scythians are the result of cowherders that mixed with horseherders.

>>17429449
>r1b
that would explain why they keep the yamnaya kurgan funerary tradition, wouldn't it?
very interestinh, any sources that support r1b royal scythians? also what's ur take on red hair and scythians? do you share with me the intuition that udmurts are nothing but descendants of scythians, and that both, irish and scotts scythian migration myth might as well be factual?

>>17429483
to me it seems like red hair might have been selected forth from an underlying recessive gene that got preserved inbetween the immune system genes that europeans inherited from neanderthals,- among those who dwelt in underground cities of anatolia with their livestock.
When the selected-for redheads of the cattleherder anatolians exported their preference for red hair to the populations of europe that also had underlying genes for redheadedness, the combination resulted in an increased prevalence of red hair among europeans that had both the anatolian herder redhead genes, as well as the dormant immunesystem-related arctic redheaded genes.
tldr;
the migrations are real, but the redheadedness is a result of several populations with heightened pheomelanin mixing into one,- bringing forth a dormant/low prevalence gene into becoming a majority.

>>17429525
and because the gutians who moved north to become massagetae/scythians were themselves derived from anatolian herders, whom mixed with the arctic steppe,- they were the first ones to receive the "typically irish" blend more commonly associated with western europe and protocelts.

>>17427526
>Asha Logos
controlled psyop

>>17429525
>>17429568
In celtic texts there are mentions of red hair, but that's rather rare I'd say

>>17429578
funny, because it is the text definition of the complete opposite, the dude is rather dangerous because of his moves, but he is also brave because of them

>>17429444
I defintely laughed when I correctly guessed that he was going to claim that the Vatican is where the supposed lost records of these people are possibly located. Such a unique and underdiscussed conspiracy.

>>17429660
that is if they kept the records, why is it funny to you?

>>17429586
yeah well the gutians and anatolian herders are abit older than anything considered "celtic".
according to the irish canon, they are the result of atleast 4 invasions of Ireland.

>>17429286
>They are extinct
no they aren't

>>17429711
yep, Ireland was lit af, my favorite part is the raiders, and thuata de danaan, the raiders were metal as fuck, makes me think of the scythian spirit

>>17429660
The Vatican is financed by the Rothschilds and Francis is a Jesuit and a globalist zionist.

>>17429660
>>17429793
Francis has even prayed in jewish synagogues and muslim mosques and he has said that all these religions are paths to God. This is a Satanic heresy which popes in the past have said is grounds for excommunication.
Also Francis supports feminism and LGBT.

guys, guys, I want this >>17429423 answered. how must I proceed?

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>>17429812
leftover garbage from before the great unification

>>17427563
Not true. The turkic migration started around 550 bc and by 500 bc many indo europeans were being assimulated into turkic cultures. Indo europeans languages were dissapearing and being replaced. Some people thought the turks killed them off by all the dna of turkic people have aryan dna. So they bassically coexistence and mingled and created mixed race central asians. Bassically everyone in central asia has both scythian and east Asian dna. Anerican soldiers would sometimes see blond or blue eyed afghans and think they were russian rape babies. The European dna they have is from scythians not the Russians lol.

>>17427577
Yup. Many persian kings lile Darius were connected to iranic speaking people from the east of Iran. That's the cousins of the saka (scythians). The medes and parthians were all iranic speaking people's that created the persian empire. Weirdly enough there is a strange connection between zorostanism and the yamnaya aka ancestors of the iranic speaking people.

>>17427578
The sarmations that lived in Ukraine. Or the scythians that lived in Ukraine. Or the cimmerians that lived in the same area lol. All of those were european scythians. When people mention Asian scythians they are talking about the scythians that migrated to the east and became the sogdians and vedic people and the kudhans and Wuhan and the parthians and medes of persia. Those people mixed with other pastoral cultures east Asia and became more Asian in dna and language. It's why many west and central asians have yamnaya dna.

>>17427538
>lived in europe
>weren't europeans
maybe u a bitch

>>17431143
people always think it's conquest but the historical record is mostly integration and peaceful assimilation
>history is written by the chill

>>17427538
most white males are r1b

>>17431149
Nope. Zoroastrianism was anti-Aryan in the same way Christianity was anti-Judaic. Even STJ recognized that. It's obvious if you actually read the scriptures and do a deeper analysis outside of LARPing.

>>17427591
1. True. Greeks referred to anything from the steppes as scythians. The byzantines did the same. The romans at a certain point would start calling them all goths too but that went out of fashion at some point.

2. The medes In persia were 100 percent yamnaya decended. Even the fucking hats they would wear came from the steppe.

3. Yes true. Just bc people speak English doesn't make them ethnically English. People speaking a iranic language doesn't 100 percent mean they were info european.

4. ???
5. N/a

>>17431258
>Greeks referred to anything from the steppes as scythians
They explicitly say which tribes are Scythian and which are not. The Androphagi are not Scythians but live and dress like them, for example.

>The romans at a certain point would start calling them all goths too but that went out of fashion at some point.

The Iranics switched to speaking Gothic, then stopped being Goths when they started speaking Slavic languages.
I swear, Herodotus should be the entrance exam to post on this board.

>>17427594
They didn't dissapear when slavs left the bags and forests of Belarusia. They got absorbed. Many slavs accepted them perhaps bc they were fearsome warriors that rode horseback. Pretty valuable.

>>17431280
Slavs did not exist at all until the 9th century, and that was the Bulgars. The Bulgars were Turks a century before. Goths converted to Slavdom.

>>17431258
>Just pulling stuff out of your ass
Kys.

>>17427647
So the siberian ice princess is a weird subject. She was wearing clothing that matched what celtic people in france/Germany would wear. But about 4000 miles away lol. Her dna was hv2. Russian academy of sciences says she is european and not a "local" but from somewhere in Europe. The haploygoup hv2 originated in the near east and caucuses region. So I'd let you figure out if she is white or not lol.

>>17427705
Scythians did not come from the Altai. They came from the Ukraine/southern Russia region. They migrated to Europe and the Middle east and India and Central asia all the way to China and the western parts of mongolia. Why do you people not understand this? They were highly mobile bc they had domesticated the horse and used carriages and wagons and spoked wheels. They were like any other pastoral people and followed their herds. Some settled and got asimualted into the local popualtions like in Greece and balkans and in central asia became the tocharians and Wusan and vedic people's.

>>17431588
They didn't. Scythian culture developed in Altai, probably from cultures such as Karasuk.

Horses were domesticated long before Scythian culture developed. Stop identifying Scythians with their ancestors. It was a unique culture with unique traits that developed in the East. No, Sintashta/Andronovo were not Scythians.

>>17431583
Nothing surprising about this. Also, she was definitely mixed. The similarity between Celtic clothes and her clothes seem to be exaggerated.

>>17431596
By the way, isn't the Ice princess actually this sample:
mtDNA - H

Distance to: Russia_Tuva_IA_AldyBel:I0576
0.04903412 Tubalar
0.05932661 Altaian_Kizhi_o
0.06297361 Shor_Mountain
0.06454595 Shor
0.06507514 Tatar_Siberian
0.06730950 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.06805868 Shor_Khakassia
0.07962005 Karakalpak
0.08133559 Nogai
0.08294437 Khakass

Ancestry proportions:

Yamnaya_RUS_Samara: 37.46 %
Nganassan: 27.86 %
Han: 20.79 %
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP: 3.60 %
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728: 3.39 %
WHG: 3.34 %
TUR_Barcin_N: 1.35 %
Yoruba: 0.90 %
MAR_Taforalt: 0.90 %
Jarawa: 0.40 %

>>17431596
>>17431597
>DNA research by the Russian Academy of Sciences found clear differences in the Ice Maiden's genetic material and that of modern Altaian communities, which led archaeologists to claim that the mummy was European and that Altaians were recent migrants to the region.[9] This was used as a reason to keep the mummy in Novosibirsk, and in 2004 the archaeologists who had refused to repatriate the Ice Maiden to the Altai because of her supposed European heritage were awarded the prestigious State Prize of the Russian Federation.
It's just Russian nationalism. In early 2000s they simply didn't have a technology good enough to tell if she was European or not. At best they based it on mtDNA and as you can see very mixed samples also had Western mtDNA.

>>17431597

>>17427745
Only reason those "asians" have european features is bc they mated with the indo european people's. They literally married and fucked each other for generations. Which is why it's mostly western Chinese or mongolians and many central asians that have those features. Dont be dense. There are some middle easterners with colored eyes too. Guess what? Many slavic people were sold as slaves by the vikings and other slaves and the arabs loved having them as wives. It's not rocket science.

>>17427813
Yes and no. All celts have scythian dna. But that doesn't make them scythians. For example. Many americans can have Italian and Irish and german dna. They speak English. Have an American culture. Does that make them western european or something else entirely. That the celts. Similar but different from the scythians.

>>17431603
>In early 2000s they simply didn't have a technology

They actually had the full human genome mapped and used race mixtures. The problem is that the racial implications are damaging for liberalists. Therefore, they masked the genome mapping projects and switched to using admixture to obfuscate data.

>>17428062
Aryans preserved their features? Have you seen north western Indians, afghans, northern iranians, kurds, uyghurs? They definately resemble their neighbors.

>>17431683
Celts don't have Scythian DNA.
>>17431702
Modern genome, not highly damaged ancient genomes. Go, post the article where her genome is mapped.

>>17428111
But that's not true. Every expert says the oldest parts of the saka is in Ukraine and southern Russia. From there they moved west and south and east. Not sure why you can think they started east when the best EXPERTS say they came from Russia.

>>17431721
>The excavation of the Ice Maiden was carried out with great care
>locals mythologized her as the nomadic progenitor of the Altaian people.
>DNA research by the Russian Academy of Sciences found clear differences in the Ice Maiden's genetic material and that of modern Altaian communities, which led archaeologists to claim that the mummy was European and that Altaians were recent migrants to the region.[9]

>Celts don't have Scythian DNA.

See:>>17427730 (You)
>>17427726 (You)
>>17427721 (You)
>>17427715 (You)
>>17427712 (You)
>>17427706 (You)

The proof is undeniable.

>>17429286
They aren't extinct. They have 100s of millions to maybe billions of decedent's that share their dna. That's why people care. Also people love talking about the steppe cultures.

>>17431728
That's just wikipedia. Post the article so we could see what methods they used to test her DNA.

>See
See what? Sensationalist articles in non-scientific journals? We have a lot of Celtic genomes, they don't have Scythian DNA.

Also, about the Mongolian nobles with R1b. It's most likely the PH155 clade which was actually found in some elite-related grave from Xiongnu I think. But that's a local Tarim haplogroup.

>>17431191
If somebody from India moves to Germany. Do they magically become german? No. Maybe u the bitch.

>>17431724
>Every expert says the oldest parts of the saka is in Ukraine and southern Russia.
No expert says this.
>came from Russia
Altai is in Russia.

>>17431734
>That's just wikipedia. Post the article
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1060586X.2019.1617574

Here ya big baby, open wide. Choo choo. There ya go lil guy. It's in the bottom of the Wikipedia article. That's a pro-tip btw.

>See what? Sensationalist articles in non-scientific journals

Do you think non-sicentific journals just make it up? They're not opinion articles. You can find the sources you're claiming to look for, easily.

>>17431772
Cool link to an article that's not even relevant to my question. The article cites the DNA study but that's it. No mention of methods or how they came to the conclusion that she was European. And yes, it was most likely just mtDNA study.

Non-scientific journals know fuck all about ancient DNA.

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>>17431777
>"2. DNA research by the Russian Academy of Sciences pointed out that there were striking genetic differences between the mummy and contemporary Altaian communities. Although the genetic discussion was/is extremely complex, this ultimately led archaeologists to claim that she was European and that Altaians only recently had migrated to the Altai Republic."

The Russian Academy of Science is simply not scientific enough for this anon.

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>>17427526
>>17431597
>>17431733
He's a copetuber just like Rowsell

>>17433379
still in denial about proto-Iranics being 80% Swedish?

>>17427526
He's retarded, but if he's gonna plug his latest vid, he doesn't needed to try to make it seem like a real thread, as is becoming the norm here.

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>>17427526
>video taken down
I hate Moloch so much it's unreal

>>17433379
STJ has total opposite idea of what Scythians are from AL.

AL does we wuzz and try say that celts and Germans are Scythian.

STJ says Scythian came from Asian Andronovo population and Karasuk.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FIV25JmPeKQ?feature=shared

>>17427526
Asha Logos is STJ for people with IQ less than 100

Total bullshit with no knowledge of archaeology, genetics etc. Just one guy reads a primary source and goes Graham Hancock on it. STJ is by far superior

>>17434373
very schizo.

>>17431777
We know you are coping because a really cool historical group looked more like me than they did like you.

>>17434373
It's got a few things mixed around.
>Scythians were first
>Cimmerians were an offshoot
>Gaels not represented
>Sarmatians became Goths
>Goths became Slavs

>>17434592
It's Cimmerians -> Scythians ->Sarmatians

And no, none of these groups became Europeans.

>>17429157
this is you but your skin is the colour of shit.

>>17434318
brainket take, ascended /his/torians consider all sources when evaluating /his/tory

>>17434734
STJ has a history degree, but cites archaeological, linguistic and genetic sources.

Asha Logos is untrained and cites outdated schitso theories, well proven frauds like Oera Linda and completely misunderstands primary sources because he doesn't read any scholarship on them.

Compare STJ video on Scythians and all the sources for it. It is by far a superior assessment.

>>17434808
Asha Logos is a kino machine.

>>17434826
Yeah i get that. It is for people with lower IQ's who don't care if it is true just whether it excites them

>>17434856
But it is (mostly) true although he gets a few things wrong.

>>17427526
Asha Logos is a delirious nordicist who think ancient Greeks were nordics and accuse the Greek government of hiding the real samples. No words from this man should be taken seriously.

>>17434808
Both Asha Logos and STJ are scammers and nordicist turds but STJ try to actually be presentable to not look what he really is.

>>17434873
>taken seriously.
Why do left wing globalist shills love this phrase so much

this reminds me of the STJ racist parkour incident, jews schizoing are hitlerious

>>17427923
I'm ready

I still want this >>17429423 answered, what must I do?

>>17427526
>Asha Logos
He believes in some Yakub- and Book of Mormon-tier bullshit. A complete schizo.

>>17434940
this

>>17434875
Every single person who calls STJ a "nordicist" is a brown freak, troon or commie or all three.

>>17437025
> a brown freak, troon or commie or all three.
*jewish

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>>17437035

do you have a link to a version that hasn't been scrubbed yet