He was a great leader who turned back the hideous French Revolution... more like French Degeneracy, and Petain saw it for what it was. He made France mighty, despite the struggle. De Gaulle just wanted eternal war, he openly worshipped the Devil. Petain stands today as the greatest leader France has ever had, and perhaps the greatest leader of any nation in all history.
>>17429132How was France mighty during this period ? He was also overrated as a general : Castelnau and, even even worst, Nivelle did all the work in Verdun. Petain was just good in public relations and profited the fact Castelnau was hated because he was royalist and Nivelle became famous for its absolute disaster of offensive in 1917.
>>17429132>client state of Germany>mighty About Pétain, blud was 84 in 1940. I don't think he should be blamed, he shouldn't have been involved in the first place but thats how empty and void French politics were in the 1930s.
>>17429132>He was a great leader who turned back the hideous French Revolution...Which one? The 1789 Revolution?The 1830 Revolution?The 1848 Revolution?
>>17429272Paris Commune
>>17429207dude seriously defending Nivelle
>>17429322Well, I'm not out of place in a thread litterally defending Petain. But defending Nivelle for what he did at Verdun is fair. He was brillant officer but his success made him to sure he found the good recipe to pierce. He did not, in fact, but was too stubborn to admit it, leading to the complete failure of Craonne. 1917's Nivelle was a moron, 1916's was'nt (or at least, it worked for him at this moment)
>>17429132Petain the Vichy leader, in many ways was just the testament to the political attitude of the French military at the time and so was de Gaulle. It's just that de Gaulle had to function in post-war France and as such had to temper his opinions.Petain's pre-war career isn't flawed at all. Beyond being competent WW1 leader he showed himself to be skilled organiser and had the same grand picture prescience other French generals had as he was the man ordering holding reserved closer to Ardennes and fortifying the area in and around Sedan, that Gamelin has later correctly predicted where the German staff wanted to focus their assault on, but didn't predict the Hitler wildcard is nobody's fault.As things were in the last meetings of ministers of France with Reynaud as their PM, the latter was just too much of a politician to sign the armistice, and the fact that that snake managed to resurface in post-war politics is something astounding. He didn't want to sign it, the military people at the table were iirc Weygand, Petain and de Gaulle, only the latter wanted to continue fighting and it was more of his hurt pride than anything else(he had the makings of a war hero but sat out most of WW1 in PoW camp, now all he was given was having to lead few suicidal armoured counterattacks with half-trained units), so Pétain told Reynaud to step down and let him take the blame for signing the armistice by selecting him for the successor. Then PM Petain just governed the free zone the way any of the 3 military men in the room would've governed it if given that amount of power.
Marshal Pétain was a great man. He died in 1925, but he did not know it
>>174292721958 crisis
REMEMBER KIDS: War is glorious, unless the opposing side is a right-wing dictatorship, in that case peace is a virtue.
