>real communism has never been tried lolJokes aside it's kind of true though isn't it? Communism was supposed to be about workers controlling production i.e. factories are run by the people who actually work there instead of shareholders and their appointees (which actually just sounds like a free market minus investments).Instead in communist they just nationalized industries and put government bureaucrats in charge of them, which is the opposite of workers controlling production.Was there ever a country where most companies were ran collectively by their workers?
He knows Lenin and Stalin are from the same country, right chat?
Wrong, communism is about hating man. Man does not need central planning and babysitting by the state if he is good by himself. But communists think he isn't. They think he is a filthy selfish animal that needs to be forced to do anything "good". Otherwise there is no need for revolution, there is no need for big government and we can all go home and live our lives freely. But we can't under a communist state, and now you know why.
Workers should never control industry in the slightest.
>>17429187Nothing in that image implies they need to be from you different countriesbyou dunning kruger having tardlet
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>>17429185>Instead in communist they just nationalized industries and put government bureaucrats in charge of them, which is the opposite of workers controlling productionask yourself, what would work better for a client (a traveler), a rail system controlled by the government or controlled by a private company, elaborate on it, and later I'll give you my insight, since it is a topic I know something about>restyou're looking for communal companies they do exist to this day, but they're often victim to greedy and evil accountants/"managers", etc.
>>17429344Competition shaves away bullshit. No single organization collects so much bullshit with no way to "purge" it as the government.
>>17429363ok, that is your take, the traveler niw has less destinations, less frequency, the trains will be dirty and full.of garbage and more crowded transport, because that is efficient, aka moar profitable. the travetravel lost with "efficiency". a service doesn't really need to be efficient, but useful, and that's a luxury a private company can't afford
>>17429377The traveler now has destinations and frequency conform the money the private transporter makes. Public transportation running an empty train on time still foots the bill straight to the taxpayer (who statistically likely has a job and car anyway). True democracy is financial, and the government keeping a service running while it is losing money is losing that entire country money.
>>17429386I'm sure the traveler who has had his destination removed from the system will be very happy of how efficient it is, the traveler that goes to the office and cand find a sit will be also be happy of how efficient it is, and so oneconomy is not the god to serve, the people is the god to serve, economy will shit on you just to milk one extra cent, you fucks are mislead big time
>>17429388The economy decides the wealth and welfare of the people. Not throwing everyone's money at trains that about 10 people will ride will keep that minimum wage worker at a lower tax pressure which makes them able to feed their kids something luxurious on the weekends.
>>17429392this, you wanna know why the mythical "livable wage" is so high nowadays? it's cuz every productive person has to feed the entirety of downtown detroit and chicago on top of contributing to their family and local economy.
>>17429392and that's why elon is forcing his employees to sleep at the office, while the chinese keep a comfy 40 hours per week schedulepick your poison
>>17429412The chinese get backed over with cars when they get hit (due to government policy destroying their lives if they don't mind you). Using them as a benchmark for humanity is already losing.
>>17429413Not to mention actual work camps if you happen to be born uyghur and literal government enforces monopolies for "certain" companies.
>>17429187Communist infighting is about what books you read, not what cunt you come from
>>17429185Didn't Marx say communism can only actually exist after all production becomes automated, or something to that effect
>>17429413>>17429417And these are the people with less work hours than usThe fact literal bugmen are having higher standards of living than us shouldn't be possible
>>17429413enjoy sleeping at elon's office, very efficient, ur going to be very happy once he outsources ur job to.india, more efficient that way, lulz
>>17429427I don't know if anyone said that' I doubt it. I firmly believe humanity should work towards fully automated utopia, it's basically recreating ancient greece, except slaves are now automation
>>17429434You can choose to work less hours. You won't explode. You just can't live in manhattan.
>>17429439I work 32 hours a week, I get by easily in Oregon.
>>17429446until elon outsources ur job to india, think about the efficiency
>>17429452I don't work for Elon, you obsessed freak.
>>17429454but think about efficiency, how efficient it is if you are homeless and starve while your work gets outsourced to india? don't you want efficiency anon?
>>17429185>Real communism has never he tri-
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>>17429980qrd?
>>17429185>Jokes aside it's kind of true though isn't it?Yeah. I mean they didn't claim to be "communist" either but at a lower stage of socialism, and communism was in the future. It just so happened that it wasn't the future.>Instead in communist they just nationalized industries and put government bureaucrats in charge of them, which is the opposite of workers controlling production.Right. Or in theory the workers would elect their own management but in reality the management and bureaucrats formed a new social class that behaved in many respects similar to capitalists, and the elections were rubber-stamped / rigged in advance by the party.>Was there ever a country where most companies were ran collectively by their workers?I think only briefly during revolutionary periods like in Spain in 1936, and in Russia in 1917-1918. And I think in a few other places, ironically in Romania for a brief period after the overthrow of Ceaucescu. It's not necessarily out of love for "socialism" but because everything breaks down, so the workers start "running things themselves" because the management fucks off. The railroads still need to run so the railroad workers take over. That does happen.
>>17429989A literal commune.
Why wouldn't >real national-socialism has never been tried also work?
>>17429185>run collectivelyYou would need some type of syndicalist system with unions that have democratic decision making process.
>>17430396Man we live in a mixed economy so real capitalism hasn't been tried yet either
