Do ashkenazi have turkic blood according to genetic studies* or not?* Genetic studies not done by jews
>>17430002>Do Ashkenazi have Turkic blood according to genetic studies* or not? TGenetics is harder to establish because even Ashkenazis are a mixture of tribes who have converted to Judaism between the Pontius and Central Europe. "Our continued research revealed that the ancestry of nearly all Ashkenazic Jews could be traced to four ancient villages with remarkable names: Iskenaz (or Eskenaz), Eskenez (or Eskens), Ashanas, and Aschuz (30BCE-640CE). These names might be derived from the word ‘Ashkenaz’, and are unique to northeastern Turkey. There are no other such place names anywhere in the world. However, this area had a rich history.Until the first century BCE, the region was part of the Greek Kingdom of Pontus. It had been established by Greek settlers in the early first millennium. At that time, Iranian Jews were the largest Jewish community in the world. They held a monopoly on trading on the Silk Roads, and were known to Judaise the people they encountered.">*Genetic studies not done by Jews. That's virtually impossible and you know it.
>>17430027>ElhaikJew
>>17430002Eastern Ashkenazim have a few Turkic maternal lineages which might derive from the Khazars, but overall not much. We have extensive public genetic data on Ashkenazim, they are approximately:40% Iron Age Italic women40% a melange of as yet unidentified near eastern male populations from Imperial Italy15% Bohemian Slavic pagan women enslaved during the dark ages5% various other
>>17430151>We have extensive public genetic data on AshkenazimLink?
>>17430027This group then moved to southern Italy where they married local women then branched out into Europe, presumably during Imperium Romanum. Trebizond was well connected to Mediterranean trade and was one of the last vestiges of Rome, besides Wales.
>>17430027My guess is they were wealthy nobles and merchants fleeing the Islamic invasions and their destination was the Duchy of Calabria, here they discovered land was not very profitable and commerce and their own education was their best investment to preserve their wealth.Another question is how they converted to Judaism in the first place. Possibly an earlier event. As Jews they would be placed under pressure to convert to the state religion, those that lacked the material means would convert, or their children would after mingling with Christians all their lives. Only those that preserved their wealth could afford to be Jewish. Being Jews also meant they were not subject to the church, opening up some business opportunities at the expense of having less legal protection.Thus there were some social darwinistic forces at play favoring high intelligence and ruthless business practices, though I suppose this is true in general, whether you are Christian or Jewish, Jews did not end up mixing with the peasant population and diluting these traits.
>>17430711>muh social dynamicsTrite, outdated, and simplistic theory
>>17430664Here's an in-depth recent paper on Ashkenazi ethnogenesis, though it is mostly written by Jews.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867422013782
>>17430002Study: Khazar myth is dumb
>>17430002Not much Turkic dna.
>>17430002No. But for some reason a study identified trace amounts of Chinese in them, once.The Khazar theory is, however, unsupported by both genetic and historical evidence.P.S: You do know that the first person to suggest the Khazar theory was a Jew in the 19th century, right?It's not really some deep knowledge (((they))) are hiding from you.
>>17431632>P.S: You do know that the first person to suggest the Khazar theory was a Jew in the 19th century, right?Self-hating jews are common, it's not telling much.
>>17430002There is no "jewish" race.
>>17431674You can't even get Israeli citizenship without jewish DNA
>>17430002I don't think yes, even if Ashkenazi are really of Khazar origin, because a nomadic khanate was usually 99% indigenous locals, who were Rus' in this case.historians rather focus on whether their language(Yiddish) or culture-specific vocabulary had borrowed words of oghuric Turkic origin.
>>17431676A blatant lie. Genealogy isn't genetics, and you can easily get the passport by conversion. >>17430151Were they finally able to tell Anatolian Greeks apart from a Levantine man Italic woman mix? These might look quite the same.
>>17431788>you can easily get the passport by conversion.No you can't
>>17431792Stop lying you stormfag poltranny.
>>17431798Jewhttps://chatgpt.com/share/67878c1b-15b4-800b-860b-0094d98d0c80
>>17431666it wasn't because he was self hatingIt was because zionists back then wanted to break jews away from the religious identity to a nationalist one.
>>17431632>P.S: You do know that the first person to suggest the Khazar theory was a Jew in the 19th century, right?No, it was Ernest Renan, a Frenchman. The others before him didn't propose the actual Khazar theory but some related stuff.
>>17430002Ashkenazi Jews have very little Turkic ancestry, almost nothing, they are like 40% Levantine, 40% Southern European and 15% German-Slav. That is why they cluster with Greeks and Southern Italians.Ashkenazi Jews are Italian and Spanish Jews of the Roman Empire, who emmigrated to the Rhine at the time of Charlemagne, when Northern Europe gained prominence over Southern Europe because the unity of the mediterranean world was destroyed by Arabs, who interrupted trade with Europe and made the Mediterranean sea dangerous.In the Carolingian period, around the Rhine, their learnt their language, Yiddish, a German dialect.400 years later a surviving group of those Jews of the Rhine moved to Poland, because Jews first were being massacred by crusaders, and also because of the black plague which caused massacres of Jews blamed of poisoning wells.A group of a few hundreds of Jews moves to Poland in the 1200s 1300s, and they breed exponentially for centuries until becoming millions, that is also why they are such an inbred group, with similar psychological characteristics and diseases. Almost like a dog breed (all border collies, german sheperds, golden retrievers, are of similar personality and with similar diseases), but of humans.If they have some Turkish ancestry, it's from mixing with Slavs who were raped by Mongols-Turks, or due to mixing with Karaite Jews from Ukraine, who may actually descend partially from Khazar Jews, but it's less than 3% of their ancestry.Jews aren't a mystery, they are the most studied less mysterious population on the planet. The French are much more mysterious, because the French State hates anything that could be considered racial statistics, or be used as paternity tests.
>>17433476If Jews had nothing to do with Khazar they wouldn't care so much about Ukraine now.
>>17434200Pretending what you are saying is correct, several million jews used to live there after settling there during the time of the Russian empire.
>>17434204They used to live everywhere in Eastern Europe, most jews in the world used to live in the Polish empire at one point. They don't simply care about lands. If the US was getting destroyed, they'd simply flee, that's what they've always done in history. They don't catch feelings for any piece of land they parasited briefly.
>>17434219They didn't exactly parasitize the pale of settlement. They quite literally worked the land there.>most jews in the world used to live in the Polish empire at one point.Debatable but Ukraine was a large part of that.
>>17433183>>17431632Jewish lies, Ernest Renan proposed the theory and jews seethed at him
>>17434220Kek the Pale was made exactly to protect local economies and Christians from Jewish merchants that were exploitative and parasitic
>>17434354I'm sure the religious ones did. But really there is nothing separating that from people seething at black cheddar man.>>17434359Local economies of where? Moscow, maybe.Definitely not from the Pale, where they were exclusively cloistered.
>>17434404>Local economies of where?The Russian empire. It was also a security measure because they'd try to incite revolutions. Also they could migrate if they wanted, but they didn't want to.
>>17430002It fucking sucks that such an interesting historical culture as that of the Khazars is overshadowed by idiots trying to Link them to Israelis
>>17434445I doubt this is true. The Pale was established mostly in the former territory of Poland, after the partitions. That's long before there were any 'Jewish' revolutions.
>>17434474>an interesting historical culture as that of the Khazars
>>17434655Khazar bvlls made slavshit subhumans their bitches. Cope. The Tatars continued to buckbreak Slavs for centuries afterwards.
Ever notice how insidious bolshie propaganda is? As with everything communist, this poster seems to hold a double meaning. Overtly, the veiled babushka shouts “KNIGI/books” in an effort to spread literacy in the Soviet Union. Covertly, this Baba Yaga-type hag encourages one to SNITCH (on anyone, including family members) and to FRAME (innocent people one simply happens not to like). The GULag, after all, does not discriminate: the GULag needs slave-labor.>Agitation Pravda
>>17434769>Khazar bvlls made slavshit subhumans their bitches. Cope.But they lost?
>>17434474they're just like any other turkic subhumans, like the cumans>>17434769that's a massive cope, both of those were literally defeated by slavs
>>17430002They are more closer to the Armenians.>"Thus said 'The Lord Yahweh' to Jerusalem: “Your origin and your birth is of the land of the Canaanite. An Amorite was your father, and your mother was a Hittite." (Ezekiel 16:3)>The name Sarah is a feminine form of the Hebrew word sar, which means "prince", "chief", or "ruler">While labarna is indeed often used as a title of the king, the Hittite word for "king" is ḫaššu-. The word for queen is ḫaššuššara-, which is just ḫaššu- plus the derivational suffix -šara>The -sara- suffix is Hittite; Cuneiform Luwian has sari(ya) and Hieroglyphic Luwian -sa + ra/i- with the usual -i- thematization. If this postdates the Early Bronze period, we could say that at an early stage -sara- was both Luwian and Hittite. Palmer compares a-sa- or ja-sa- with Hittite isha- 'lord' and argues that the Luwian form would have been ash>Of these proto-Armenians, the most important branch were the Hittites. They established themselves in the heart of the Semitic territory and founded an empire which contented on equal terms with Egypt, and once extended its sway as far as the Aegeanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_racehttps://www.mayimachronim.com/the-origins-of-ashkenazi-jews/
>>17430002>Genetic studies not done by jewshahahaha
>>17435210>like the cumansNo, they had cities.
>>17431788>you can easily get the passport by conversion.Absolutely not.
>>17435804>They are more closer to the ArmeniansThe Balkan Turkish_Rumeli and Turkish_Deliorman + a few other Turkish samples are closer to Ashkenazi than the Armenian samples.
some Jews went north into Europe and became Ashkenazim, the ones who stayed in the Mediterranean became Sephardic. both groups were rather different and historically did not intermingle much. didn't speak the same language and their religious rituals also differed.
>>17430002The reality is a “Jew” is just anyone that says they’re a Jew. It’s no different than Christianity or Hinduism. The whole>EthnoreligionBullshit is Jews peddling their religious history as fact.Most Jews have no relation to the native peoples of ancient Jerusalem, and, even if they did, anyone can become a Jew at any given moment. You just have to “ritually convert,” but you can’t ritually convert to an ethnicity. I can’t convert into a native African. You can’t “convert” into a Hebrew.Jews only consider people with Jewish moms to be Jewish, which makes no fucking sense genetically. Somebody who is 99% Ashekenazi with an unbroken chain across of Jewish dads, and they would not be considered Jewish cuz their mom is Polish. That’s not how ethnicity works. That’s a religion.The native peoples of Palestine have more genetic ancestry in common with Judeans of the second century than most modern Jews do, but Jews don’t consider Palestinians to be “Hebrews” because most of them converted to Islam. But you can’t convert out of a fucking ethnicity, so it doesn’t matter that they’re Muslim, they’re still ethnically Hebrew. They just switched religions over the last 2,000 years they’ve resided in the land (like 99% of Temple Judaism-practicing family lines did after the Temple’s destruction).So the Jews are fucking LARPers, and anyone pedaling this “ethno-religion” bullshit is unironically spewing Jewish religious “history” unknowingly. Judaism is just a religion. Jews pedaling their super-special “ethnoreligion” bullshit is no more valid than some mud-hut savage in Africa telling you their dancing makes the rain fall.Religion is fucking stupid, but the only thing stupider than religion is people pretending some religions are less stupid than others.>Hurr, look at these primitive savages dancing to make the rain fall.>Alright, now I gotta go chop up my son’s cock because god hates penis skin.
>>17436614Palestinians aren't the people of the Bible either they're a bunch of Bedouin squatters who invaded Palestine after the Roman revolts depopulated the place. Most of the original genetic stock of the Levant was wiped in the revolts.
>>17436610Some Sephardics also went to Poland after the Iberian expulsions although they continued to live apart from Askhenazis and spoke Spanish or Portuguese instead of Yiddish.
>>17436622>Palestinians aren't the people of the Bible either they're a bunch of Bedouin squatters who invaded Palestine after the Roman revolts depopulated the place. Most of the original genetic stock of the Levant was wiped in the revolts.Cope. The inhabitants of the region weren’t completely eradicated. Judaism was “outlawed” in the region, which led to some of the remaining brainwashed retards to leave to continue practicing their dead religion.The majority of the survivors either converted to Christianity or Roman Paganism (or just gave up religion completely, which Roman Paganism barely counted as a religion). It was the more natural course of action considering they had no temple and their religion had failed every single prophecy it had, so the Hebrews were pretty disillusioned. Many “Temple Jews” were ready to give up their failed religion anyways, so it was no sweat off their backs. This is partly why Rabbis really emphasized rules that separated Jews from the goys as a pushback against the mass deconvert problem that Judaism had been suffering from even during the Greeks (that was even worse after Hadrian). People were leaving the religion like flies.Obviously, the Rabbis considered these “Jews” that didn’t leave to not be Jews at all, and thus we have the present issue. Once Islam rolled around, many of the inhabitants of the region (descended of ancient Hebrews) converted once again to a jew religion. So now the current argument is>Palestinians aren’t “Jews,” they’re MuslimsWhen it’s literally the same people group. They’re just the people who didn’t die or leave after Bar Kochba. Unsurprisingly, their opinions changed slightly in 1,900 years, and now they’re not “real Jews” because they don’t follow the religion of their ancestors in the first century.It’s all fucking stupid.
>>17436614>>17436696Low IQ posts
