>We are a 17.000.000 inhabitants nation fighting a 2.5 million inhabitants island, and yet we REALLY need foreign aid Spoiler:they still lost the battle
>>17431948you casually forget to mention half of france was under angevin control
>>17431948>inhabitants
>it took over 100 years for the combined might of France, Castile, Scotland, Genoa, Welsh rebels and some minor German states to defeat England How are Anglos so strong?
>>17432183>anglosUnironically because of Norman genesthe 100 year war was a French civil war
>>17432183Castile did not fight in 100 Years War aside of naval battles to expand its wool trade in Flanders. The main war in Spain at the time was civil war and specially Marinid sultanate expansion
>>17431948It was French people fighting other Frenchies though
>>17432213>was a French civil warMemeIt was the continental theatre of the second Scottish war of independence >>17432219>Najera never happened>Gaunt's invasion of Spain never happened
>>17431948Both sides were French. The Kingdom of England losing the 100 years war was probably the greatest thing that ever happened to the Nation of England.
>>17432224>>Najera never happened>>Gaunt's invasion of Spain never happenedBoth were part of Castilian civil war. But Castile never fought openly in 100 Years War except for expanding their wool trade in Flanders that was linked to sink English ships.The main threat in Iberian peninsula was Marinid sultanate that extended from Tunis to Marrakech, the Battle of Salado involved more men than any battle of the 100 Years War.
This argument was always dumb because, beside the fact that total population was nowhere near as relevant to military might before the advent of mass conscription, it also fails to aknowledge that Guyenne, one of the most populous and prosperous regions of France at the time, was in England's hands before the war even began.And then, as the war went on, several major French duchies switched to England's side (Brittany, Burgundy...).Comparing the total population of what is now France and what is now England at the time of the HYW doesn't really tell how many inhabitants each side ruled over at the time.
>>17432224>It was the continental theatre of the second Scottish war of independence
>>17432224>second literally what about literally whoyeah ok McAllister, your wretched shithole was 100% the centre of European politics
>>17431948French historically resorted to massive waves of humans cannon fodder
>>17432228Both happened, and Castille was at war with England, so it can be added to the list. Also Gaunt's invasion was not a part of the civil war, though it originated from that conflict. >except for expanding their wool tradWhich includes raiding English ports. They also were involved with the planned french invasion of England in 1385/6>>17432241Unironically yes. The reason France initially declared war was to honour the auld alliance after England invaded Scotland.
>>17431948feudal levies cucked.
>>17432268>The reason France initially declared warand the reason Rome initially declared war was to save Syracusethis is a history board, not a scottish retardation blog
>>17432282>Nooooo the french wanted to conquer Aquitaine If the French cared about it so much they wouldn't have given it back after the war of St Sardos.
>>17432298>if they wanted it they should not have played politics are you actually mentally challenged or just pretending?They literally launched a Crusade for Aquitania (happened before, but still)Of course they wanted it, they had a very good idea of what France was supposed to be (the hexagon)The same thing happened to Burgundy, although it lasted longer due to HRE presence
>>17432357>The albgensian crusade as proof the French started the hyw for English Aquitaine And you're calling me the retard? > they had a very good idea of what France was supposed to be (the hexagon)Ok yeah, there's definitely some projection going on here.
>>17432228The Castillan civil war is considered part of the 100 years war
>>17431948>>We are a 17.000.000 inhabitants nation fighting a 2.5 million inhabitants island, and yet we REALLY need foreign aidThis is a retarded and dishonest framing of the conflict and you know it
>>17432183They just hid on their island until everyone forgot
>>17432428Not you again
>>17432406Can you explain why France needed outside help
>>17432555Same reason why the Plantanegets needed help, having more troops and resources in wars is almost always a good thing.
>>17432602>Same reason why the Plantanegets needed helpFor sure Edward III would have never won Crecy without the endless and mighty legions of Hainault
>>17432606>assistance in war is unwelcome because of the outcome of a single battleOnce again you're making retarded and disingenuous arguments.
>>17432611It wasn't unwelcome, but it was unneeded They're two different words with two different meaning
>>1743260217 million people over 2.5 million
>>17432618What is the overall point you're trying to make? Why would the Plantagenets seek allies like the Burgundians if they didn't need any help whatsoever to defeat the Valois?>>17432631Is that how many people fought at Crécy?
>>17432638Pretty pathetic of the French kings to take hundred and 20 years to do anything
>>17432638>BurgundiansNot in 1346
>>17432641The only pathetic thing going on here is taking an interesting historic event and intentionally mischaracterizing it just to score some imaginary points against some dead nobility/a country.>>17432649Why are you avoiding the question?
>>17431948The entire premise for this thread is retarded. The only reason the kingdom of Bohemia is mentioned on the wikipedia battlebox is because their king, John the Blind, was a French ally and going around Europe trying to participate in every conflict he could. He probably brought along some knights in his household, but not any consequential military aid.It makes more sense mentioning the Kingdom of Genoa than it does Bohemia, since the French had some Genoan crossbowmen mercenaries (who jobbed entirely and had to be run down by the French when they charged).Stupid, retarded OP.
>>17432655>Why are you avoiding the question?If anything its you doing that by trying to change the subject to something that happened 70 years latter than OP's battle. But to stop your crying I'll answer anyway >>17432618It was welcome but it wasn't needed.
>>17432665The English had allies at Crécy. I picked the Burgundians as a random example because they're one of the most well known secondary participants in the HYW. Why did the Plantagenets bring allies if they didn't need any?
>>17432672Yes, I mentioned the mighty Hainaulters, but they were hardly pivotal to the battle were they? > the Burgundians as a random example And it was a very poor choice that shows your ignorance of the subject. Imagine bringinflg up about how the German needed an alliance with italian in WW2 in a thread about the battle of Sedan. Those two events are about the same time apart as Crecy and the Anglo-Burgundian alliance
>>17432689I'm speaking about the HYW as a whole, if we are only speaking about the battle of Crécy then I'm sure we can both agree that OP is fucking retarded and/or disingenuous for bringing up demographics in the first place.
>>17432704I'd probably would've mentioned the numbers on the battlefield instead had I made the thread, but I don't think it's as bad as you make out. Why does it make you so angry?
>>17432027Bro wrong century. England had lost all its French territory besides Gascony before the war started
>>17432758Because it's an incorrect and stupid way to frame the event, and in doing so one becomes worse at interpreting history. The Battle of Crécy was without a doubt a tremendous victory for the English side but it is completely retarded to bring up demographics as if medieval kingdoms were completely centralized with a cohesive foreign policy and a total war doctrine, as if France and English were two hive mind ant hills that just threw everything they had at each other while in reality it's a much more complex story about alliances, influence and other important factors. To give a comparison: a British regiment is sent to annex some backwater place, its ambushed and thoroughly defeated - it would be stupid to frame this one battle as the British with their 150,000,000 people being unable to defeat 500,000 people from some hill tribe when in reality most of the British population are just subjects living far away in colonies and the actual battle took place between like 1000 vs 400 people. I don't want to disparage their performance at Crécy because it was amazing and deserves credit, but it drives me crazy to see people put these stupid spins on events like this.
>>17432796That's fair, you make a good point. Maybe I've just grown too used to seeing retarded claims on this site that I think nothing of them.
>>17432213>the 100 year war was a French civil warFunny how everyone at the time considered it a case of England taking on France, and it was described as such until well into the 21st century (coincidentally as Indians and Frenchmen start gaining access to the world wide web)
>>17432966>funny howshut up crooked tooth *nglo peasant scum>chicken: poultry>ram: mutton>pig: pork>cow: beef>calf: vealRespect your overlords
>>17432983the overlords that were so embarrassed by their french ancestry that they we wuzzed as vikings?
>>17432372>puny scottish brain cannot into grand historyfucking how do you not get it? I could have pushed the narrative all the way back to William and Hugh Capet before him. Burgundy was not just name dropped for the hell of it, same for the HRE.
>>17432995>no reply>goalpost movinghttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollohere's your answer dumb bongoloid. literally 1 second search
>>17433003Yes, the descendants of rollo specifically chose to identify with rollo and his fellow vikang warriors instead of the french peasants they porked, your point being?
>>17432966Why are Indians on the pro French band wagon? Just simple seething or something more?
>chicken: poultry>ram: mutton>pig: pork>cow: beef>calf: veal>three languages in a trench coat!
>>17433009>porkedthat's not an Anglish word Noigelsee my previous comment fucking brain dead
>>17433232Your previous comment that failed to address why they identified specifically as normans rather than just french?
>>17433240stop it toothless freakyou're mentally challenged and still seething at the fact that your dysgenic race was ruled over by French and Germans, and is now ruled over by jews and jeets
>>17433261Why are you getting so upset? Keep this up and you'll have a pants-shitting stroke in the next five years anon
>>17433273I'm just naturally angry at wewuzzers
>>17433328>we wuz franks>our ancestors the gaulsunderstandable lol
>>17433328No you're just naturally angry like most of the mentally ill misfits here, keep coping about the normans wewuzzing that they wuz vikings lol
>>17433422ok bongoloidnow go bin that noif
>>17433422>>17433439>samefagging an angry conversation with himselflollmao, even
I can't tell on this board if people are pretending to be morons who don't know how feudal warfare worked, or if they're just that dumb. Then again this board is 90% religion niggers so anything goes.
>>17433453>>>17433422that's not me little bongistaniplease check (your) sources
>>17433394North Burgundy was Frankish homeland.I already addressed that
>>17433497Where is north burgundy?
>>17434129He probably means the proto Dutch-Belgian fiefdoms like Flanders, Brabant and Holland.
>>17434149I wonder why he referred to them as north burgundy then. I don't think the duke's of burgundy ever considered them to be a part of burgundy because they ruled them separately
>>17432998>Hugh of Capet and William the conquerer are proof that the french kings wanted to personally rule Aquitaine almost 300 years later You're just making stupider and stupider claims now, stop embarrassing yourself. Seriously, these are really bizarre choices. You could have at least gone for Louis the Fat and Phillip Augustus - they at least actually opposed the English king having lands in France.
>>17434172Being both the Duke of Burgundy and of Brabant doesn't make one the other, I agree. I suppose he was too lazy to actually name them. It isn't like Bohemia was called northern Austria or Scotland northern England.
>>17434285Only thing that makes sense to me
>>17431948>>17432183>>17432213>>17432244>>17432281Wrong. The (French) Plantagenets were fighting the (French) Valois for the French crown in a long succesion war. The Plantagenet leader, who was duke of Normandy and count of Dijon and wanted to be king of France due to family ties to the Capetians, HAPPENED to also own other territories outside France, namely lands in the British isles (the "kingdom of England"), an irrelevant shithole that was only good for shitting out cannon fodder that the Plantagenets used in their struggle with the Valois. The English themselves didn't control shit. A Frenchman was their king and spent their useless lives in his life project, taking the title of King of France. And this went on for 5 generations.Do people forget that during the Hundred Years' War, France was also embroiled in a brutal civil war with the Dukes of Burgundy? Burgundy, the wealthiest state in Europe at the time, with a GDP that dwarfed England's by over ten times and wielded immense influence through strong political ties with the French nobility and major European powers.This is a bait thread but I couldn't help myself.
>>17435865>DijonThe capital of Burgundy, that Dijon? How in the hell would it end up in the hand of Plantagenets?
>>17435865>The Plantagenet leader, who was duke of Normandy >This is a bait thread The lady doth protest too much, methinks
>>17435865>American education
>>17435865The Duke of burgundy was the count of burgundy. And the county of burgundy (also known as the free county) was part of the HRE and ruled separately from the duchy. France didn't control it until the French revolution
>>17435865>FranceGermanic name>FrenchGermanic name>BurgundyGermanic name>NormandyGermanic name>Richard>Robert>Clovis>Charles>William>Lothar>Morgan>Oscar>Godfrey>Geoffrey>Henry>Baldwin>Bertrand>Gerald>Gerard>Bernard>Frederick>Bertram>Raymond>Roland>Fulk>Lambert>Conrad>Tancred>Eric>Guy>Matilda>Ermengarde>Adele>Bertha>EmmaGermanic names
>>17436211In the the 1800s the French government created an institution that polices the French language and they removed a lot of blatantly germanic words and spellings.
>>17431948Yeah, the whole Hundred Years War was fucking embarassing. The French were fighting a much inferior opponent, yet were regularly beaten purely because of their kings' incompetence. Whenever they got a non-retarded king, they would normally push the English back pretty easily.
>>17436814What about Bongs being btfo by Scots despite having 10x the manpower?
do you think joane was raped in captivity?
>>17436989What year
>>17437012>The same desolate note is sounded in another French poem deploring the loss of Tournai, 'The Loss of Tournai's Virginity, with her Tears and Lamentations Following her Deflowering'. Tournai herself speaks as a rape victim:>"I've been handed over to a bunch of pirates, to swinish 'godons' drunk on beer. They've bound and gagged me. They'll end by cutting me into pieces. How I wish I were in my grave. I'm in despair at being in the clutches of men who know neither tenderness nor love nor honour, who are always so ready and eager to pillage and rob, reduce people to poverty, indulge in acts of treachery... I'm at the mercy of the Godless church-robbers, men more treacherous than Judas ever was. I must do their bidding but I do not believe their words or their promises. Their presence appals me. It stinks in my nostrils"
>>17436989>Bongs being btfo by Scots
