Why hasn't any religion historically accepted homosexuality?christian: negativejudaism: negativeislam: negativezoroastarianism: negativehinduism: no commentbuddhism: negativetengrism: no commentother pagan religions: negative or no commentdo cultures just inherently tend towards homophobia, just like patriarchy?
Abrahamic faiths have such a strong aversion to homosexualality because it was normal behaviour in their degenerate backwater societies.
>>17433002no, rather they are an amalgation of previous pagan faiths moulded with monotheism. There is an assyrian law code that punishes homosexual relations, and the leviticus anti-gay verse clearly sounds like paraphrasing of the older law . The new testament was influenced by roman society which was averse to homosexuality
>>17432992Because it's just wrong
>>17433025why
>>17433074https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P4BFGyE0kH4dQnI_yNPy8tdPxEFPI1tRR-7u_CF5ANk/
>>17433075>doesn't post religious argument in thread about religion
>>17432992for some of them it's probably because they disliked any form of sodomy/non-child-making-sex and being gay falls into that, which then evolved into hating homosexuality itselfeither that or because it looks gross
Because organized religion is as the word says organized. Freud says something similar to that effect about organized religion in contrast to just faith in gods or cycles of nature, with Moses you get the law of the father , that is a fatherly patriarchal figure , just like your father gives you laws, rituals and a language that you must obey. Around this then society is organized in following the rules of the "fathers" by denying impulses. Just like a child is denied the right to do anything it wants by its parents, so does society then revolves around forbidding impulses around the figure of symbolic father (God).It is important to note however that all advanced societies or civilizations are built around that. The Greeks who already had the myth of Oedipus knew of this , but Abrahamic religions raise it to an abstract rule and figure of all knowing God with a son Jesus. Homosexuality has existed in virtualy every society and continued to exist even in Christian and Islamic societies in the middle ages despite some bouts of persecution.
>>17433097There was no notion of being an exclusive homosexual in western antiquity or in tribal societies such as in Africa. In Ancient China there were emperors had homosexual lovers along with concubines. What Abrahamic religion explicitly forbids such as in Leviticus is the sexual act of homosexual sex, but it is more accurate to say that Leviticus is against any kind of illicit or incestuous sex, its doesn't single out the homosexual act. Furthermore the idea that Jesus talked about homosexuality is also false, Jesus talked about male prostitutes which were refereed to as "dogs".Btw with regards to your comment about "sex that is not childbearing" , there are no verses against the hiring of a prostitute in both the Old and New Testament. -Jesus saith unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you." - Matthew 21
>>17432992Because those with power interpreted the texts this way. Had they thought differently, no one would question the obvious truth that those texts are really condemning anal sex and not benign homosexuality.
>>17433016Roman society was so averse to homosexuality that they worshiped Hadrian's lover Antinous for over 2 centuries and his multiple statues are found in Egypt, Asia Minor, Italy and Greece. They were so averse that they even had a yearly festival worshiping him.
>>17433075opens link to random study>small sample size>weak correlations
>>17432992>christian: negative>judaism: negativenot all denominations
>>17433170yeah this happens every time these people try to "scientifically prove" their beliefs lmao
>>17433074who wants to actively seek out a lifestyle of being an effeminate loser? It's better to be the strong man who isn't captivated by sexual addiction. Stop watching porn for a week and you will taste freedom.
The explanation is pretty simple.Religions don't accept homosexuals because homosexuals are smart enough (higher IQ on average due to greater openness) to see through religious nonsense (religion is designed for people with low IQs).> Intelligence and lack of religious belief are positively correlated.> Higher intelligence is associated with higher rates of homosexuality acceptance.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289615000975
>>17433201IQ graph for comparison.
>>17433118You can also extend the 'fathers' element to the threat of homosexuality to your children. While incidents of adult male to adult male gay shit has happened historically, culturally almost every example that leaps to mind is one where they are predatorial towards younger teenage men - Greeks, Japanese, Turks + Muslims writ large, Romans, ect. Against Timarchus is literally prohibitions against that kind of predating on young men in the first half (The bit about laws against prostituting your own child or being with a child as a teacher before sunrise).>>17433143>There was no notion of being an exclusive homosexual in western antiquity Plato Symposium 191e - 192b>Men who are sections of the male pursue the masculine, and so long as their boyhood lasts they show themselves to be slices of the male by making friends with men and delighting to lie with them and to be clasped in men's embraces; these are the finest boys and striplings, for they have the most manly nature. Some say they are shameless creatures, but falsely: for their behavior is due not to shamelessness but to daring, manliness, and virility, since they are quick to welcome their like. Sure evidence of this is the fact that on reaching maturity these alone prove in a public career to be men. So when they come to man's estate they are boy-lovers, and have no natural interest in wiving and getting children, but only do these things under stress of custom; they are quite contented to live together unwedded all their days. Emphasis on> have no natural interest in wiving and getting children, but only do these things under stress of custom; they are quite contented to live together unwedded all their days. In other words like our boomers who found their same sex attractive but felt societal pressure to have to marry and squash their homosexuality.
>>17432992>homosexuality spreads disease>homosexuality is viewed as somewhat repulsive>new religion condemns anal sex and homosexual acts as it's based on customs and local laws>people don't make the difference between both and assume homos are ontologically evilThat's pretty much the gist of it, and as some other anon said, this only benefits the leaders of any organized religious movement to have some scapegoats.
>>17432992>buddhism: negativeNot quite. Historically guys who liked to suck dick could be accepted as monks. They didn't accept eunuchs.
>>17432992It’s counter productive to general societal growth. From a macro level you need more people to allow your civilization/society to continue. And from a micro level you need to have an heir to take on your trade, property, or title. Being gay is counter to that since they can’t have kids.
>>17432992Survivor bias, those societies which did not control the spread of this disease didn't survive for long and didn't pass on their culture to future generations
>>17435830I think the acceptance of homosexuality or lack thereof owes in the main to the mode of production. The societies of antiquity could be more urbanized in some ways than the Middle Ages and there were economies were larger trading networks. The Middle Ages were much more reliant on agriculture as the backbone of society than antiquity, in which there were also growing populations and a rapid increase in agricultural productivity (so you need more kids to grow more food to feed more people in a loop). So there we go with the rise of the Abrahamic religions which reflected life in farming villages with Jesus as the "good shepherd" and a liturgical calendar aligned with agricultural cycles and monasteries often becoming centers of rural life. There are sacraments of food and all kinds of Christian themes that revolve around it.But then we have the industrial revolution and urbanization again so we're becoming more "Roman" once again. Well, it's not the same. But urbanization and modernization has freed people up to live more autonomous sexual lives. But as you alluded to, there is still a need for the "family" as a way to transfer and divide property, and gays don't fit into that. Or didn't... until this contradiction was resolved dialectically in capitalism with gay marriage. Which is ultimately about property. That's also why those banks would have floats at Pride parades btw. You get married, you might go to an LGBT -affirming bank to apply for a mortgage :)
>>17433002Easily some of the most insane cope I've read all week here.
>>17432992The penis is where humans come from. It gives the seed of our life. Dont stick it in poop. It causes diseases. If today with condoms and tech and medicine gays still.experience ridculously high rates of every STD in existence. Imagine how much more diseased they were before even soap and running water was available?
>>17432992Neoplatonism accepted faggotry
>>17436124Why not just limit gay sex to things like thigh fucking, handjobs, that sort of thing? I’m a fag, and that stuff is way hotter to me than anal.
>>17432992Oh Judah swallow your pride or you will not survive. The one judging you is perfect, he's not impressed by your holiness or greatness. He created the whole world alone. He's impressed by your love, by the compassion in your heart for the smallest ones. For you are so small compared to him yet he loves you. Then why dont you love also those who are smaller than you?
>>17433002Idk man being objective homosexuality features more prevalently in Greek society than anything that comes out of Judaism or Christianity.>>17433074It just doesn't belong back there bro.
>>17433097It makes sense for natalist religions to malign non-procreative sexuality. It would be a bit strange for Buddhists since having children would be an attachment.
