I remember having to watch Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" at school, and learning that we were supposed to be all fucked by the 2020s. New York and San Francisco were supposed to be underwater by now. All doom and gloom. Then the 2020s come around it's nothing like that, things are still normal.Then I find out that back in the 1970s Climate Scientists wee warning of a global cooling that was going to hit in twenty years time, and that the world would all be over. Yadayada.Are these people just perpetually playing chicken little generation after generation? How does it not bother anyone that none of the shit Al Gore said back in the 2000s came true? They did the same appeals to authority back then, and made out you were a stupid reactionary neanderthal if you dared question the science.
In every community you have people who genuinely know about things they are advocating for, now this is a small minority of people, on the other hand you have a ton loud mouth retards who will screech and shit their pants.
>>17433977It's what happens when the demand for climate change exceeds the supply. You need to remember that these people would be out of a job if climate change was not that big of a deal, therefore it must be a super imminent danger so they get a paycheck for activism. Same with modern racism, antisemitism. "Whatchu doin there rabbi?" but for the environment
>>17433977>>17434156the climate is fucked, and getting worse every year
There is no science. You can argue endlessly but in the end it's just faith that people will believe what they want to believe. There's no real scientific method to it, just people making stuff up and getting people riled up.
>>17434214It's only 1.6 degrees difference, what the fuck difference does it make. It's hardly the end of the world, I can't even feel the difference between 23 and 24 degrees weather.
>>17434260the butterfly effect anonwhy are u being intentionally ignorant? you know that water can hold great amount of temperatures, you've boiled water before! you've seen basic weather patterns before, you're a smart person - why do you feign such shitty ignorance?
>>17433977>and learning that we were supposed to be all fucked by the 2020s. New York and San Francisco were supposed to be underwater by now. All doom and gloom.Was this actually said? I also remember watching it in school but I forgot almost everything about it, but was 2020 specifically mentioned and also that stuff about New York and San Francisco?Not that I can't imagine it but people also tend to flat out lie when it comes to this topic
>>17434260Heat is energy. More energy in the climate means worse storms and in general more extreme weather. We can see that happening. Also in Europe, we can see completly new biomes emerging as regions previously full of farmlands are becoming deserts.
>>17433977Climate change is a crock.
>>17434274From my part in euroland I can definetly say that the summers have become hotter and drier. Last summer it wasn't a big deal because at the same time it also rained alot, but the years before that it got so dry that the grass regularly turned yellow and died, making everything look like a fucking african savanna which never happened before.The winter is also noticably warmer, we barely have snow anymore and the temperatures rarely drop below freezing. Not that it doesn't happen at all but it is definetly way less compared to my childhood where I often built snowmen, had snowball fights or went sledging, wich now has become almost impossible, at least in this part of the country.Also we have this invasive parrot species now which appeared a couple of years ago and has no trouble surviving the winter lamo. This is one of the more retarded issues that has been politicized to hell and back, but with everything getting shittier anyways and technology getting scarier I don't think that this will be the thing that will do us in so I don't give a shit anymore.
>>17434260not only is 1.6 degrees a huge and destructive amount, the increase is accelerating.
>>17434214The climate is always changing, that is the natural state of the world. We are moving to or from an ice age at any time in earth's history.
>>17434294The retort to that is that the speed at which it happens is unusual which brings a ton of ecological problems with it that could be prevented.I don't really give a shit anymore who is right about the issue but it's always funny to see how people just give the same retarded canned responses they propably heard from some online influencer that feeds them their political opinions without ever looking an inch deeper into the issue, or without being aware of the counter arguments that have been repeated a billion times.
How exactly climate change became a political issue?
>>17433977Where does An Inconvenient Truth say New York will be underwater by 2020? Remember, lying is a sin and you will burn in eternal hell fire if you do it.
>>17434317Because it's tied to energy production and with that a shit ton of money. It also has the potential to affect both some of the most powerful and wealthy industries and the standard of living or personal freedoms of individual people, which automatically makes it political. It's also a global issue that surpasses individual nations so countries are more incentivized to offload it on other countries, weaponize it or ignore it all together.
>>17434156and the cdc, aids, fat is bad for you, myopia mafia, etc."scientists" have mortgages too.everything is a grift under capitalism.
>>17434311My geography textbooks taught me this lmao, not Nick Faggetez or some shit
>>17434317Imagine you are the CEO of a car company. You make tens of millions per year selling ICE cars. Then a politician from Party A says that climate change is happening and you have to make more expensive to make electric cars, which means you will only make single digit millions per year. Meanwhile Party B says climate change is fake and you should keep making ICE cars. Which Party do you send your lobbyists to support?
>>17434337Don't forget people depend on your company to feed their children.
>>17434348>he thinks the CEO of any major car company wouldn't line up a hundred of his employees children and slit their throats one by one if it added another percentage point to the stock price
>>17434294You don't think it's a bit strange that as soon as humanity started industrializing, temperatures spiked faster than they ever have naturally?Yes, there is natural climate change, but this climate change is anything but natural, in both magnitude and cause
>>17434367there a big ball of radioactive plasma floating a few million mile from erf that is WAY more influential than a bunch of hairless monkeys.but yeah, its humans.were also responsible for the tides and gravity.
>>17434214>Global industrial society burning millions of tonnes of fossil fuels every single day for 200 years straight has raised the temperature by… 1.6 degreesHoly fucking shit
>>17434363You are projecting your misery onto productive individuals again. Cope and seethe, CEO's like it when people work at their company, killing them would kill productivity.
Climate change was more believable before the corona hoax bullshit, to be honest.
>>17434274>biomes emerging as regions previously full of farmlands are becoming desertswhat the hotest parts of Spain that have been using very intensive drilling to feed a much to thirsty agriculture industry
>>17434337how about this one magine you are the CEO of a solar panel company. You make millions per year selling solar panels. Then a politician from Party A says that climate change is happening and you have to switch from fossil fuels to renewables, which means you will get to make double or even triple digit millions per year. Meanwhile Party B says climate change is fake and you should keep using the gas turbines you already have. Which Party do you send your lobbyists to support?
>>17434442You know you are agreeing with me on this, right?
>>17434389200 years means nothing to that big ball. It's the exact same as it was 200 years ago, and will be the same in 200 years. 1.6 degrees over 200 years is an insane increase in temperature, and will result in billions of deaths as crop failures and natural disasters get worse every year. >>17434397Fish populations are down 90%, insect populations down at least 50%. Droughts and famines caused by human induced climate change are already here, as well as damage to air quality. To deny the importance of 1.6 degrees, and all the other damage we've done to the environment, is simply retarded.
>>17433977>Are these people just perpetually playing chicken little generation after generation?Yeah.Climate change is unfalsifiable. Every single "fact" purported by climatologists cannot be reproduced in the lab, and when they are found to be false, climatologists move the goalposts and simply pretend that those falsities are in service to a greater theory. Climate change is bullshit for this reason. All of the "scientists" who study it are basically clergymen preaching the faith.>They did the same appeals to authority back then, and made out you were a stupid reactionary neanderthal if you dared question the science.Yeah that's usually what happens. It all comes back to money. Climate alarmism confers greater amounts of funding. Most of the people who believe this shit are retards who generally only trust something once they hear it on television.
>>17434444yes, industry lobbies to get policy that favors them.But pretending that it's just the industry supporting the evil hecking ICE or other fossil fuel users is just plain wrongthere is a lot of money involved in the transition to green and there are a lot of people that stand to make a lot of money off of it. Those people are just as eager to pump up the threat posed by climate change or to label any one that questions the "established science" (not established science is only a thing in contentious fields, no one needs to claim that there is a consensus on the effects of say food dies) as lunatic retards out to kill everyone to save a couple bucks
>>17433977When cornered, the climate change afirmer will scream, he will shout with social pressure and attempt to shame, he will post study after study, he will accuse, he will attack and say "do you really doubt the smartest people in the wolrd!?!!?", he will use social proofs like ">denying (groupthink consensus(false, synthetic media consensus)) in current year!?!?!", facts and figures he will hurl at you, he will bombard you with manipulative images of sad looking penguins and polar bears in an attempt to anthropomorphize their unfeeling mental states,And what does the rational man do? He asks himself a simple question. "If the world was going to end in just two more weeks, and this has been known since 1970s, where are all the nuclear reactors?"
>>17434449>and will result in billions of deaths as crop failures and natural disasters get worse every year.WERE DOOOMED!!!!DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>17434449So crops have their own temp ranges, right? And global warming can mess with that in both directions? So like, why can't we just take the crops that are struggling in the heat and plant them in areas that are warming up from being too cold? Seems like a simple fix.
>>17434464If global warming is not real, explain hollywood fires. Never happened before for some reason.
>>17434466I for one can't wait to farm bananas and coconuts in europe. Shit's tasty.
>>17434469They happened all the time.California is a chaparral. It's filled with small, easily flammable bushes that reproduce through forest fires.Instead of slash burning that shit and making sure they had enough water to deal with forest fires, they did nothing and blamed climate change after their shit burned to the ground.
>>17434442Yeah but come on, who do you think has more power? fucking solar panels or established titans like oils, gas and coal?
>>17434469It isn't real an never has been. It's the neo-white mans burden and an excuse to legislate for and dominate the second and third world, the global south, to stall their development with costly regulations and green tech.Nothing new, science has always been part of the dark partnership with imperialism and industry. In the 19th century, there were a billion studies showing how all non-whites has small brain and were retards, that people still post on this board today.Climate change is imperialist dogma.
>>17434449That might have something to do with all the fishing we do and the pesticides covering a good chunk of the planet, m8
>>17434466Arable land in total has been decreasing year after year. No matter how you redistribute the crops, climate change reduces the amount of land you can use
>>17434487It's both, and the fishing and pesticides also cause climate change themselves.Marine life is suffering greatly from ocean acidification, which is rapidly approaching a level that will make it uninhabitable for many species that form the base of the marine food chain
>>17434487>fishing we do>wewhite peope fish sustainably, it's chinks raping the oceans.
>>17434493Climate change, if true, is going to turn Canada, Russia and Antarctica green. I don’t see how desertifying unproductive, overpopulated regions like the tropics is going to hurt anyone important
>>17434497Yeah I don’t doubt the toxic shit chinks and pajeets dump in the ocean is bad but thats a pivot from identifying temperature as the cause
>>17434501Russia and Canada are going to have big issues with the permafrost layer as it warms. But as the south becomes increasingly inhospitable, more and more people will migrate north.It will be chaotic for everyone but the rich few.
>>17434507Ocean acidification is caused by the increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, which along with methane are what is increasing the global average temperature. Two symptoms of the same disease
>smoke-swirl looks like a 9>chimneys look like an 11
>>17433977You should read actual studies, not take all your info from sensationalist documentaries. 4chan is contrarian and full of people who think they are smarter than they really are so many will agree with you that global warming is fake.
>>17434512They’re already migrating north, if it was legal the entire global south would be here right now.>but the permafrost layer More of the Earth used to have that and it didn’t stop literally prehistoric people that barely even had agriculture let alone modern technology
>>17434523i think the permafrost layer is going to release nasty gas and stuff as it melts is what he's saying.it's also an absolute pain in the ass to build on
>>17434523> if it was legal the entire global south would be here right now.The worse it gets in the south, the more people will move north. I'm not saying the permafrost layer is going to kill us. But it is a real issue for growing crops and building infrastructure, as well as all the additional methane it will release
>>17434516So yes, temperature isn’t the cause of ocean acidificationPlus Even if you blast water with co2 in a lab environment to get it as carbonated as possible the resultant product is still only very slightly acidic.
>>17434521You're assuming that he's actually curious about this. He already made up his mind because of internet retardation and either lied multiple times in his initial post or is just so retarded that he just parrots talking points fed to him by other people.
>>17434530The worse it gets in the south the more of them die. If anything that’s a good argument for accelerating climate change, sadly that’s just not possible.
>>17434532>Even if you blast water with co2 in a lab environment to get it as carbonated as possible the resultant product is still only very slightly acidic.pH of the ocean went from 8.15 to 8.05 since 1950. That's a 26% increase in hydrogen ions in the ocean. This is dangerous to pretty much everything in the ocean with a shell. CO2 levels will of course, continue to rise for a long time, so the acidification isn't going to stop any time soon.
funny how they discovered climate change right as the global south was starting to get competitive.
>>17434545Only it’s impossible to carbonate water indefinitely. Rain water, which is as saturated as naturally possible with co2, has a ph of about 5.6. This is barely any more acidic that pure h2o and about as acidic as uncontaminated soil. Don’t believe the chicken littles they just want your money.
>>17434477now? renewable every government, big bank, investment fund and international agency is going 200% on greenThe rich aren't dumb. They see that there's carbon caps, emission compensation schemes, renewable subsidies ect. To them that's free money, start a solar farm company, get cheap loan, get money for carbon offset, get to sell your power at a fixed subsidized rate You bet that if you are going to try and hurt their bottom line even indirectly they are going to be raising a fuss.
>>17434571https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&as_vis=1&q=effects+of+ocean+acidification+on+marine+life&btnG=here, go do some reading. Ocean acidification has happened naturally in the past and it makes many species go extinct, while others will take their place. That period of chaos is what we will soon experience.
>>17433977I remember back in 90's they use to say that Venice it will be underwater in 2020.2025 and Venice is still there...Btw global warming, and now climate change(yes they changed the name so now everything that happen is climate change fault) , if you looks some independent study no iccp shit, you will find that who study the climate they will tell you that "Co2 is the problem " is just a bunch of bullshit, because there's too many things that influence the climate
>>17434605>That period of chaos is what we will soon experience.just 20 more years!!
>>17434605Ph has changed by 0.10 in 70 years, at that rate it would take over 700 years to reach even 7.05, which is not acidic at all.
>>17434449>Droughts and famines caused by human induced climate change are already herelol which famines? You really think there are more famines now than a hundred years ago?
>>17434471You won't like the insects, diseases and venomous shit that will migrate
>>17434883Not a problem for hygienic ypipo See: Australia, South Africa, the USA
>>17434401ooooh what a good little wageslave this one is!
>rightoids: SOCIETY IS LE COLLAPSING!!!!!!! WW3 & RACE WAR IN 2 MORE WEEKS!!!!!!!!!>leftists: CLIMATE CHANGE IS LE HABBENING!!!!!! OCEANS RISE 100 FT IN 2 MORE WEEKS!!!!!!!it's all so fucking tiresome
>>17433977turn on the tv lil bro
>>17434521Maybe they shouldn't be feeding sensationalist garbage to children then? It was the education system that told me Al Gore was an expert on the subject. I remember even being in class and being like "This guy didn't even label the axes on his graphs".
>>17434135Why didn't people criticize Gore over being a loud moth retard who was screeching and shitting their pants? Why did everyone treat this like it was the most important thing to show everyone ever without thinking about the long term consequences of the believability of the real data in the long term when the stuff Gore talks about doesn't pan out?
>>17434493We don't need to use all arable land because we have fossil fuel generated fertilizers. This is only a problem if you insist on not using fossil fuels.
>>17434214What were the temperature differences for various ages of the Earth's development?
>>17433977I was born in the 80s and have lived in Nebraska my whole life. We used to get feet of snow and weather in the negatives starting in October. Yesterday it was literally 50 degrees and I wore shorts.
>>17434469Australian eucalyptus trees
>>17433977Once the cold war was over the threat of apocalypse disappeared and this could've changed the behaviours of people both as consumers, workers and in politics. Whether these behaviours are desired or just well understood and as such the management of people involved in the apocalyptic cult is easier is something I don't know. Maybe there's just simple demand for these kind of delusions as it gives people excuses to be lowlifes. Doubt anyone knows the answer.Just an example, the ecological organisation that made some noise recently called itself "(The) Last Generation". Expert after expert, activist after activist proclaims over and over that if nothing changes in 18 months it's too late, we'll hit the point of no return. Then the deadline is crossed and instead, I don't know, arguing for preventive measures against the consequences of lack of change they'll keep promoting the same policies that won't change the course anymore. It doesn't matter what matters is that the apocalypse is coming.This is just the next form of the mentality that made the stereotypical shithead boomer remortgage all his property and piss all the money off in casinos or on stupid trips. If the nuclear war or climate apocalypse is coming in 10 years anyway why would you think about the future, after all.
>>17434863It doesn't have to be that acidic to harm sea life. In fact, it already is harmful to them. Go read some papers.>>17434680We've been over most models for climate change>>17434879No, there were more 100 years ago. But soil quality isn't getting better. For example, in the USA, it looks like we're heading to another sort of dust bowl unless we drastically change our agriculture. >>17436836Big differences, of course. That does not mean these changes are desirable, or nearly as fast as human industry has caused them. The rate of climate change we are experiencing can be likened to that of the end of the cretaceous, you know, when a giant asteroid caused mass extinction.
>>174369657.05 is very slightly more basic than pure water (which is neutral). You’re just an extremely credulous person that easily trusts what you believe to be expert opinion and group consensus. As OP rightly pointed out climate alarmists have been doing this appeal to authority shit for over 50 years now and their predictions never come true, you need to realise scientists rely on investors and investors love apocalyptic garbage.
>>17433977 Al Gore was right. His only mistake was the timing, but who other than God can predict time?
>>17437040>OP rightly pointed out climate alarmists have been doing this appeal to authority shit for over 50 years now and their predictions never come trueclimate models have consistently underestimated warming, ice melting, and ocean acidification. This is why the Paris Agreement chose the number 1.5, they thought we wouldn't reach that number for a long time - and yet we're already past it. >7.05 is very slightly more basic than pure watereveryone knows what the pH scale is - why even say this except to imply "it doesn't seem bad enough to me"? You don't have any proof or reason to believe that ocean ecosystems do well with significantly lower pH than they have, other than your gut feeling about some numbers. Marine biologists worry mostly about mollusks - acidification already hurts their ability to grow hard shells and slows their development. Even if you ignore that truth, mollusk populations are declining across species, regardless of whether they are fished or not.
In the 2000s, the energy sector was the biggest corporate contributor to the Republican party and was over 10% of U.S. GDP. Now the energy sector is about half as large, due largely to climate initiatives. Now that democrats have succeeded in crippling Republican's corporate support, you rarely hear about it as a major platform issue. At this point, climate change is used as just another virtue signalling issue, but nothing is done about it.
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