We don't care about objectivity at all, nor do we care about individual well-being. We are a deeply collectivist group that bases it's laws and morals around emotions and hatred. In other words, we're no better than chimps in the forest, we're just more creative and use better tools than them.
>>17434231We do not care about a collective either, anyone claims about what is good for collective are always self-serving propaganda. We are all selfish actors that only care about what's good for ourselves or a small group of people that we belong to (family, friends, workmates, etc).
>>17434255If you take time to analyze yourself and others, you'll see that most of the time you (and your acquaintances) do everything to appease the broader wishes of society and the collective. People never want to be seen as "weird" or "unstable" so they suck society's cock off constantly and pretend they're good and loyal goys. It's sickening if you think about it. Maybe back in the day your statement would hold some water when the lives of people started to mean something after ww2 I think, but nowadays it's all just devolved brainless collectivism like it was with early tribes who needed to cooperate to survive.
Read the Fountainhead. You too can strive for something greater.
>>17434309we can, but it's always repurposed for some goofy collective ideal later on. The skyscraper that serves as a monument to human achievement will just be used by a bunch of people to do menial collectivist work in the end. The power of individualism is only useful when it can advance and enhance collective efficiency.
>>17434342Actually read the motherfucker before you talk at me
>>17434364you're a puppet on a string and you don't even know it. Society will let you be "individualistic" only to the extend it wants you to be. John Donne wrote that “no man is an island unto himself” at a time when the relationship between community and individuals was being reevaluated. Were the village, the family, the church—those communities that defined so much of ancient, medieval, and early modern life had impact on individualism, do you seriously think all of this doesn't work exactly the same as it does today, if so, you're insane.
>>17434381>do you seriously think all of this doesn't work exactly the same as it does today,As it did back in the day, I meant.
>>17434381Actually read the motherfucker before you talk at me
>>17434396You don't get it. Your whole synthesis, the core of you being, is rooted in deep societal pragmatism, your likes, dislikes, disgusts, opinions, love, hatred, content, it's all collectivist building blocks that make up your "soul". You can pretend to be a rebel or an outcast, whatever, nd you can build your individualistic pieces, but at the end of the day you're a product of the collective with deep yearnings of belonging if you don't fit in.
>>17434555Actually read the motherfucker before you talk at me
>>17434231i can estimate to a probability of 87% that OPs phone background is a picture of the joker or that he has multiple cringy joker photos on his phone
>>17434231ok go live in the woods then
>>17434610It's not, nerd.
>>17434704Are you reading yet?
>>17434612so you agree with me. Good, zoomie.>>17434711libertarian fairytale.
>>17434716Libertarians are right wing hippies and not at all objecivist. You still haven't read a single word.
>>17434717>objecivistif it's as good as you claim, you should be able to defend it instead of forcing people to read books about it.
>>17434724Man's primary tool of survival is his mind. Humans are, compared to animals, weak/slow/clumsy. But we are smart, our mind allows us to make choices that gives us the edge to not only survive but thrive. To deny a man his mind by initiating force on him by violence/deception/coercion, we are treating him as less than human (mistreating if you will). Therefore, in business between humans you can objectively claim that force is evil, since that is treating a human as less than human. It's like cutting the wings off a bird and expecting it to fly. Every human is an end in themselves, with persuasion as their only moral weapon.>tl;dr there is an objective morality and it is seperate from god and whatever group you happen to belong to. Rejoice on having the truth spoonfed to you.
>>17434725>you can objectively claim that force is evil, since that is treating a human as less than human.but that force comes from a human, or a collective of humans, who use that force for their own "ego" and by preventing a human from using force, you're once again denying his mind as his mind is the main driver behind the force. It's a paradox.
>>17434730It's not. Initiating force is evil, you are making someone else a means to your end while every person is an end in themselves. The moment you initiate force the defender is justified in defending their own life. If you use force, you explicitly concede that reason is on the side of your enemy and you must force him instead, bypassing his reasoning. Initiating force is unreasonable by definition because you are denying the reasoning of your victim.
>>17434737cont; Society already implicitly accepts this. There is a clear line between sex and rape, euthanasia and murder, receiving a gift and stealing. The line is obvious as fuck to anyone with conceptual thinking skills, and the only moral ingredient is consent.
>>17434742>There is a clear line between sex and rapewomen would have us believe otherwise.
>>17434751The people complaining about shit like "eye-raping me on the bus" or "divorce-rape" are postmodernist, they don't look at reality first and then comprise morality from there. They feel first and then reality will just have to bend over backwards to conform. You see it happen all the time in tankie circles.
>>17434757but that's what the west is, or is going towards, dubious consent and garbage like that will infest our social media more and more PRECICELY BECAUSE we're so focused on making consent the main ingredient of morality.
>>17434761>social mediaand reality of course.
>>17434761People are always muddying the waters in order to advance their agenda. That's why you bring receipts. And we are talking pragmatically now, not morally. Morally, your life is your property and the same counts for everyone else. Therefore to force you is immoral. We as a species are going more towards utilitarianism, but in the very name is the concession that we are talking about pragmatism, not what is right.
>>17434761Also I see that you are more concerned with doomposting than moral truth so good luck with that. If you have a busy life I still advice the book, maybe only Howard Roark's speech if you're in a hurry. Society sucks ass, that's true, but secular and biological moral truth can be yours now.
>>17434767precisely, which is why I always advocate more for a harm based approach. If something isn't harmful (either physically or psychologically) then no one should have the right to hold you accountable for that.
>>17434231>npc memeThis is not news, we know that your kind is not human, but something else, something vile and inhuman.
>>17434776That's fair to a degree, but to be able to refuse something "everyone agrees is good for you" would fall through the cracks here? (like the vax 'n shit)
>>17434555I absolutely loathe your repulsive collective and have no desire to fit in it.
>>17434725>But we are smartDoes not apply to normalfags, they are barely above animals in terms of intellect.
>>17434782This is the tricky part, as it relates to what is actually "objectively good", there would have to be true scientific consensus which if we look at history, takes some time to develop, so skepticism and reluctance to take it first despite overwhelming support is still justified.
>>17434757>they don't look at realityNeither are people who worship conformity, tthey view reality through lens of run of the mill status quo idealogy of the day.
>>17434781>your kindEverything you say is pointless yapping, robot. Go back to your menial tasks and make Schlomo proud, and leave real humans to their own devices.
>>17434761You are confusing idealogy with morality, they are two different things.
>>17434801>no uNot an arguement.
>>17434806what is there to argue? you've just given me a glimpse into brainlessness.
>>17434806>shit on the table and point at it>"we need to discuss this REEE"No, fuck off nigger.
>>17434817>>17434822Calm down faggot.This is /his/, not english class, retarded teacher pet.
>>17434830Okay, maybe there was a misunderstanding, the point of my (OP) comment was to highlight something which I'm not a fan of, yet persists in society. I didn't mean to insinuate I was part of the collective.
>>17434830>I can't breed and I must fling shit.We know, monkey boy.
>>17434231If this was truly the case, what would make you state this truth?
>>17434960well, it pisses me off that people don't think "for themselves" at all, it's either their "village, family or the church" who think for them. I suppose it's impossible to make a human otherwise, but I just wish people were free from the clutches of society.
>>17434972Well at the end of the day in order to stay in this world we need some amount of power, and that will require family villages and churches. Though I do think that once a certain standard is meet people are interested in the truth, it just takes a backseat to the absolute necessity of protection your community.I don't think society is to blame, just like dogs protect their pack we protect our friends and family, even if truth sometimes get sacrificed in the process.
>>17435027it's just that I'm a bit puzzled why it STILL is the way it is, after all the scientific and social advancements, as a collective I feel like we're still comparable to a toddler, if not worse, and that will absolutely come to bite us in the ass.
>>17435035The fundamentals are still the same, we're limited beings trying to enact control over a world that's way bigger than us. Power is a zero sum game.
>>17435040it's just that with how educated people have become at one point, there was hope that society would ascend in a way, and that human freedom and happiness would take center stage, instead of money and drama. Fuck this piece of shit circular and braindead world. If you ever catch me contributing to this stupid society, be sure to slap me for a reality check.
>>17435051It will get a lot worse.
>>17435057rip our future
>>17435057mind = broken
>>17435057Reminder.
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