Who was worse? The Gestapo or The Stasi?
>>17435220Gestapo were a bunch of incompetents who only get such a terrible rep because of their association with the Nazis. The Stasi were much worse.
The Gestapo was cruder and crueller (largely because it was in service of a greater evil) but the Stasi was significantly more effective and downright scientific in its application of terror and suffering.
>>17435220Worse at what?
>>17435232This. The Stasi had psychological manipulation down to an art form to the point where they eventually relied less on torture and murder.
>>17435220Pretty much what everyone else is saying, the Gestapo has more blood on their hands, but the Stasi did stuff like rearrange furniture and poke holes in bicycle tires (supposedly) to drive people insane, not to mention all the shit that went down in East German prisons, like (again, supposedly) using x-ray machines to give prisoners radiation sickness and cancer.
>>17435294I sometimes can't find my toothbrash and TV remotes... Could it be I'm gangstalked by gestapo, bros...
>>17435280>I missplaced my mug?>Or is time to make a run for it?Sounds fun
>>17435220>who was worse, the guys who murdered and tortured people or the guys who were really mean to people?
Stasi. Eastern Germans are incredibly cucked for being a slave of the soviets, who gave majority of eastern German land to subhuman poles. Pathetic
>>17435386start shit, get hit. germans should be considered lucky they weren't completely eradicated.
The Gestapo had 30 people working for them in Essen, which is a city with almost half a million people in them. They weren't "bad" in the first place. That's a Hollywood myth. The Stasi on the other hand was such a cancer, 1/4 East Germans was an unofficial agent. The Gestapo relied on an extremely high trust society, where German citizens would come to them. See something, say something. The Stasi is a compeltely different animal.
Gestapo would have no problem killing you or sending you into a camp that is nearly as bad as a death sentence if you were caught in their net, but realistically their grasp on German society wasn’t that all-encompassing and unless you had done something to clearly profile yourself as an opponent of the regime (or had unfortunate ethnic background), it was incredibly unlikely that you have to deal with them as a regular German citizen.Stasi wasn’t quite as extreme in their punishments, but they penetrated the entire society in a way that is hard to even grasp, with informants being literally everywhere and you didn’t really need to do much to bring them down on your neck.So, Gestapo surely was worse if you had something like Jewish background or were an active left-wing politician before the Nazi takeover, but if we’re talking about the average-average Heinz, they probably didn’t need to spend much time thinking about Gestapo if they juat wanted to survive the regime and had no dreams of resistance. But the fear of Stasi was relevant to basically every single citizen of DDR, all the time.
>>17435497the gestapo would do things like have undercover agents ride buses/trains and complain about the government/war and anyone who didn't tell them to be quiet were charged.
>>17435507Source?
>>17435220Staid were much more competent than the Gestapo who were mostly just thugs who v& you if you weren’t patriotic enough. The Stasi could just get your neighbor to report on you
>>17435569Viktor Klemperer and his dairy.
>>17435613You know, I just got the oddest feeling about this.
>>17435637He was a converted Jew married to a christian woman.
>>17435638In other words, a Jew.
>>17435639so a jew is always a jew even when he no long practices Judaism?
>>17435650Yes.
>>17435232More details please.
>>17435655gestapo just kicked in your door at 3am and arrested everyone inside. Stasi would have recordings and in depth intelligence on you and could simply make you disappear.
>>17435637>>17435639Got'em.
>>17435220Gestapo = fascist thugsStasi = heroic harrasers of fascist thugs
like the others said if you didn't openly criticise the regime you had very little to fear with the gestapo, while the stasi had your phone tapped and all the rooms in your house bugged, and even your own children and neighbours could rat you out if you made a joke at the kitchen table about the party"Das Leben der Anderen" paints a fairly good picture of how far it went with total state espionage.>>17435822fascist thugs of course being everyone even slightly critical of the regime. only fascists don't like a communist dictatorship where the state controls and spies on everything
>>17435933how much of that was simply because the technology to bug a house just wasn't there in the 30s-mid 40s that the gestapo operated?
>>17435220The Stasi, but only because of scientific advancements compared to what the Gestapo had.
Gestapo had cool suits
>>17435958Gestapo absolutely would have loved to bug people’s homes, and they already utilized wiretapping with phones through switchboards, so sure, they would have used any tools they had available.But even technology isn’t magic, and Stasi’s worst and most paranoia-inducing weapon was its informant network, and it would have been just as achievable in Nazi Germany as it was in DDR if there just was enough push for it. Also, Gestapo’s resources were ultimately very limited when compared to Stasi, so even if they had all of Stasi’s gadgets, they wouldn’t have the manpower to use them in similar scale as Stasi.Point being, you can see that the organizations had a different approach to their work, despite objectives being ultimately similar. Nazis never saw it necessary to build such a huge intelligence apparatus to spy on even regular citizens for smallest suspected acts, they thought that it was more efficient to brutally stomp out anyone who actively dares to resist and make them a warning example for their associates. Meanwhile, Stasi had a much grander vision, enabled by the political leadership who put far more priority on internal surveillance. And this doesn’t mean that I would say that it makes Gestapo somewhat ”better” or ”fairer” or whatever, it just means that they had a different strategy to facilitate oppression.
Both the GEHEIME STAATSPOLIZEI and the Stasi were brutal secret police organizations with extensive powers and a record of human rights abuses. However, it is difficult to definitively say which one was "worse" as they both committed horrific acts.The GEHEIME STAATSPOLIZEI, the secret police of Nazi Germany, was responsible for the persecution and murder of millions of people, including Jews, Roma, political dissidents, and LGBTQ+ individuals. They were known for their brutal interrogation methods, arbitrary arrests, and concentration camps.The Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, also had a long record of human rights abuses, including surveillance, infiltration, and imprisonment of political dissidents. They were known for their extensive network of informants and their use of psychological manipulation.Some argue that the GEHEIME STAATSPOLIZEI was worse due to its direct involvement in the Holocaust and other mass atrocities. Others argue that the Stasi was worse due to its pervasive surveillance and control over East German society.Ultimately, both organizations were responsible for immense suffering and human rights violations. It is important to remember the victims of both regimes and to learn from their experiences to prevent such atrocities from happening again.
Federal Intelligence Service (BND)It simply absorbed the worse aspects of both and continuing it's reign of terror to this day.
>>17436966Thanks ChatGPT
>>17435232So, Gestapo was the recruits and Stasi the officers.
>>17435655Stasi used to break into people's homes and move furniture around in order to make their targets think they were going insanehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
>>17436969It doesn't do anything at all except nebulously hint at alleged Russian plots that it never discloses so that it wouldn't be shut down for uselessness
>>17435220Depends on time and place. I'd rather deal with the Stasi than Wartime Gestapo, but I'd rather deal with the peacetime Gestapo than the Stasi, purely because Nazi Germany didn't ban emigrating the same way East Germany essentially did. Also the Gestapo was surprisingly just kind of bad at their job anyway
>>17435479>The Gestapo relied on an extremely high trust society, where German citizens would come to them. See something, say something. The Stasi is a compeltely different animal.The two are literally exactly the same lmao. Germans just bow down to the authority, whatever it maybe, because they have a Monarch shaped hole in their little serf hearts. Same reason why Japan was so easy for the US to govern.
>>17437137You don't understand how nations are supposed to work, if you frame this as something negative.
>>17435507I don't buy this one, if only because I've also always heard that Berliners were infamously a rowdy crowd and constantly being sarcastic (the 'Berliner Schnauze') and cynical about the war, to the point where East Prussian refugees were actively being made fun of and derided by their own countrymen when they arrived in Berlin.
>>17436969The only Gestapo equivalents today would be the Bundesamt für Verfassungschutz and the Bundespolizei, the BND don't do law enforcing and are famously neglected and underfunded if anything. Without the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and DGSE helping them out all the time, Germany would likely have a Russian Kompromat Chancellor, a full blown Nazi militia cell, and 10 Islamist terrorist attacks a day right now.>>17437125Markus Wolf claims that the BND actually used their own Romeo spies on US companies to try and steak Biomedical research from some Boston based company once lmao. Apparently it ended with a failure and suicide though.
>>17437103Holy fucking based.
>>17435220It's a stupid comparison to make in the first place, but here's a redpill that retards will refuse to accept.The Ministry for state security or stasi actually operated based on laws. Bad laws, yes, but they did follow them. You could get a lawyer in East Germany if they broke the law, and you could actually win a case against them. Most of the bad stuff they did was legal according to East German law, anyways, but still. The Gestapo on the other hand was basically a bunch of gangsters that could do whatever the fuck they wanted. If a high ranking nazi official wanted you abducted and tortured to death, they could just do that. They didn't follow their own laws. In all fairness you have to mention that the Gestapo also operated in a society during war time, unlike the stasi. Who knows what the stasi might have done during a hot cold war.Apart from this, there's also the fact that the number of victims differs massively. The stasi killed a very low number of people in comparison.
>>17437564Neither Gestapo or Stasi outright killed very many people but the Stasi victimised far more people in total.
>>17437575>but the Stasi victimised far more people in totalmost people massively overestimate the number of people that were seriously targeted by them, so i'd like a source on your claim. the gestapo killed a LOT more people than the stasi, too, not only directly, but especially indirectly.
>>17437564if a high ranking commie official wanted you dead you'd likely in end up in the same place. Authoritarian regimes have that problem.
>>17437629In secret, probably, yes.
>>17437165Ended with him making the western woman get cucked lol.
