I’ve said this before, but the reason Evangelicalism is so popular is because it’s the easiest religion ever created. It demands nothing of you.>Baptism is optional>Tithing is optional>Eating bacon is fine>Even showing up to church is optionalLiterally zero actual requirements to get to heaven. Just say, “I believe,” and collect your train ticket to heaven. Simple, quick, convenient. The McDonald’s of religions. Consumerism America needed to created a religion, and this is what they came up with. Maybe some prosperity gospel to sprinkle on top.In fact, the only thing Evangelicals seem to care about is Evangelizing, which means it’s literally just a Pyramid Scheme. Evangelicals will even go on “mission trips” to Catholic countries like Italy to convert them to “real Christianity.”Personally, I don’t care, because any religion with less stupid laws sounds good to me. But it’s just kinda funny how Evangelicals act all “holier than thou,” when their religion literally entails nothing.Christianity went corporate, and this is what remains.
>>17436689Sweet! Enjoy burning in Hell, forever!
>>17436689Evangelicalism does have a ton of rules. It's just that those rules are entirely about sex.
>>17436690Do I have to love Israel to go to heaven, Mr. Evangelical?
>>17436725>it doesn't know it's going to the same Hell the Jews are going to :D Have fun!
They literally sell evangelical Christian books at Walmart.
Reminder the meaning of the term evangelical has been distorted from it's original meaning
>>17436728Doesn't the bible say not to the judge the fate of other people's souls? Pretty sure it does. And you don't even know what I believe. I was just making fun evangelicals because their old testament loving brand of Christianity breeds contempt.
>>17436736>Doesn't the bible say not to the judge the fate of other people's souls?Nope! And I'm not. God is the judge, but we know the rules he is going to use to make that judgment.>Pretty sure it does.You don't know the Bible, noted.>And you don't even know what I believe. I was just making fun evangelicals because their old testament loving brand of Christianity breeds contempt.So are you going to Heaven?
>>17436741>RulesSounds very legalistic, kind of like the old testament.Do you think you can know if you are going to heaven or not? Are you protestant?
>>17436746>Sounds very legalisticYou're retarded, noted.>Do you think you can know if you are going to heaven or not? Of course!>Are you protestant?I'm a Baptist. Have fun crying and writhing around in agony, forever!
>>17436747>BaptistShocking. >Have fun in agony foreverYou Protestants are Jews in spirit. I want to believe in Christ but not in your Christ. Oh and didn't Jesus say that none who don't eat of my body and drink of my blood will enter the kingdom of heaven? Baptist don't have communion, you don't drink of the blood or eat of the body of Christ. Youre not in the body of Christ then.
>>17436758>I want to believe in Christ but not in your Christ.I know. That's why you're going to Hell! :D>Oh and didn't Jesus say that none who don't eat of my body and drink of my blood will enter the kingdom of heaven?Have you ever heard of a "metaphor", or did you drop out of 2nd grade before they taught that?>Baptist don't have communion, Wrong again!>you don't drink of the blood or eat of the body of Christ. No one literally drinks Jesus' blood. Waving a cup around and saying "Hocus Pocus" doesn't magically transform the wine.>Youre not in the body of Christ then.Have fun burning!
>>17436759You're communion doesn't matter because your clerics are not of Apostolic Procession, they broke from the Church that Jesus started through Peter. I'm not dead yet so you don't know what my fate will be.Through faith, the wine and waifer ARE the blood and body of Christ. It's not a metaphor according to the faith. Again, you don't address the fact that you don't even want to Evangelize, even though you come on here because you were clearly butthurt about somebody attacking evangelicals, who are suppose to be all about evangelizing. What kind of spirit do you have that you want somebody to burn rather than becoming a Christian? Seems kinda jewish.
>>17436768>You're communion doesn't matter because your clerics are not of Apostolic Procession, they broke from the Church that Jesus started through Peter.Great LARP.>I'm not dead yet so you don't know what my fate will be.Based on your beliefs, I know for certain you will burn in Hell. You'll wish you were never born. The only variable that I don't know for sure is whether you are going to repent. But it seems like you're pretty committed to your heresy. >Through faith, the wine and waifer ARE the blood and body of Christ. It's not a metaphor according to the faith.Nope!>Again, you don't address the fact that you don't even want to Evangelize, I literally won someone to Christ a week ago.>even though you come on here because you were clearly butthurt about somebody attacking evangelicals, who are suppose to be all about evangelizingNo, it's because I saw the post that you made out of your pride.>What kind of spirit do you have that you want somebody to burn rather than becoming a Christian Seems kinda jewish.I don't know, ask God when he's actually burning you. Remember to call him a Jew, that would be an epic pwn!
>Great LarpNot an argument guy.>HeresySo real Christianity began with Martin Luther then?>I won someone over a week agoBut you've being a dick now.Just saying heresy to catholic doctrine just because that's what your family has been doing for 5oo years doesn't mean that Catholic doctrine is heresy. Why is it heresy? But hey man just answer me this, do you support Israel?
Here's a good video about the roots of Protestant love for Israel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgmk4lUaGaI
>>17436781>Why is it heresy?Because it contradicts the clear teachings of the Bible.>do you support Israel?No, why would I? I'm not Jewish.>>17436791>B-but every who disagrees with me is a Jew!You're retarded, I know. The great irony is that you're going to the same Hell they are. Have fun with that!
>>17436819Apostolic procession is biblical.
>>17436835You're not equipped for this conversation. Have fun with your reprobation.
>>17436722A joke my parents would say. Why don't Baptists have sex standing up? Because people will think they're dancing.
>>17436759I can't tell if this is trolling or an actual Evangelical. Truly a cursed denomination.
>>17436747>I’m BaptistWould you mind debating Sola Fide? I will take the stance against.
>>17436759>metaphorJesus says over and over again, in the clearest terms, that His flesh is food and His blood is drink. He says that unless you eat His flesh and drink His blood you shall not have life in you. Jesus said to the Jews immediately after they expressed their disbelief at the idea of eating His flesh.John 6:52-53>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.The Jews did not believe that it was possible (or that Jesus could really mean) that He would give them His flesh to eat. They said exactly what you are saying today. If Jesus had been speaking in purely metaphorical terms, as the you say, then here was the perfect opportunity for Him to assure them that their fears were unfounded. It was the perfect moment for Jesus to explain that He didn’t really mean that people would eat His flesh, but that He meant something else.So what does Jesus say to them? In response to their disbelief, we see that Jesus repeats the same message, that it’s necessary to actually eat His flesh and drink His blood, but in even stronger terms. He tells them that if they don’t eat His flesh and drink His blood they will not have life in them. The word phago (meaning “to eat” or “consume”) is used nine times in the original Greek text of John 6:23-53. Phago is sufficient to convey the idea of eating Jesus’ flesh. Immediately after the Jews expressed their disbelief that Jesus could mean such a thing, we read (in John 6:54) that Jesus switched to an even stronger and more graphic word. The word He then used (in John 6:54 and following) is trogo. This word literally means “to gnaw, chew or crunch,”.
>>17437909>>17436759AFTER TELLING THEM THAT THEY MUST EAT HIS FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, MANY OF HIS DISCIPLES LEFT HIM; THIS PROVES THAT IT WAS CLEAR TO ALL PRESENT THAT JESUS SAID AND MEANT THAT PEOPLE MUST EAT HIS FLESHJohn 6:60-68>Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?... From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.If Jesus did not really mean that people would eat His flesh and drink His blood, then He would have clarified His meaning and stopped these disciples from leaving Him over a misunderstanding. But He doesn’t do anything of the sort. He lets everyone who cannot accept His message walk away. This is an overwhelming contextual indication that everyone understood that Jesus was speaking literally of the necessity to eat His flesh and drink His blood. They simply couldn’t accept it, and Jesus wasn’t going to deny the truth or modify what He had told them.The fact that many of Jesus’ followers left Him over the necessity to eat His flesh and drink His blood is sadly illustrative of how this issue would, at different times in Church history, be a prime cause of people leaving the true faith of Jesus. It happened again in the 16th century, when many left Jesus and His true faith because they refused to believe that the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.
>>17436847The papacy is Biblical.>And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus gives the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter, and declares that whatsoever he binds on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever he looses upon earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Even though all 12 disciples are gathered together for this meeting, Jesus says these things only to St. Peter.Jesus says: “thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.” The Greek word for “this” as in this rock is the demonstrative pronoun taute. It means “this very” rock or “this same” rock. >And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. No other apostle is given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Matthew 18:18, we read that all the Apostles are given the power to bind and to loose; but Peter alone is promised the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 16:19. This shows us that the power which is given to all the Apostles to bind and to loose in Matthew 18:18, must be exercised under the keys which are given alone to Peter. Peter has a unique position of authority in the Church.This reference to the keys of the Kingdom in Matthew 16:19 (and to Peter’s binding and loosing with them) comes from Isaiah chapter 22. Jesus’ words to Peter in Matthew 16 are a reference to the function of the prime minister of the Kingdom in the Old Testament.Isaiah 22>And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. Continuation in reply
>>17436847>>17437930The language clearly parallels Matthew 16:19. In the Old Testament God established a covenant with David in order to establish a Kingdom. The Davidic Monarchy, the Kingdom of God on Earth, was meant to be a prototype of the Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ would establish. In David’s Kingdom there was not only a king who ruled all the people, but the king had a royal cabinet. The king had royal ministers or chief officers. You see references to this royal cabinet In this royal cabinet, there was a minister of defense, ministers in commerce, and provisions. But, of all the king’s ministers, there was one who stood out with authority above the rest. That was the prime minister, who was over the king’s house. That’s where the fascinating truth of Isaias 22 becomes relevant to Matthew 16.In Isaiah 22 we read that the prime minister HAD THE KEY to the house of David. This key represented the prime minister’s authority over the house of the king. Notice that the prime minister had the key of the house of David. We also see that to him was committed “the government,” and that he would be “a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.”In Isaias 22 the prime minister of the Kingdom was Shebna. Isaiah 22:15 says Shebna was “over the house” (over the house of the king). Then Shebna left the office of prime minister and was replaced by a man named Eliakim. Then we read that the key of the Kingdom, which Shebna had, was given to Eliakim by King Hezekiah (the successor of David who was reigning as the king at the time). King Hezekiah gave the key of the Kingdom to Eliakim because Eliakim succeeded Shebna in the office of prime minister. Eliakim now had the key to the house of David. By the fact that he had the key, everyone would recognize Eliakim as the king’s prime minister.Continuation in reply
>>17437942When Jesus said to Peter, “I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven,” it would have been a clear indication to all informed Jews that Jesus was going to make St. Peter His prime minister. He was declaring that St. Peter would be the first pope, the president or governor of His Church.
do baptists have "compound communes", or is that just FLDS?Who is ,in general more (socially-conventionally considered) insane\schizo OSAS street preachers\ Jack Chick tract-types, or Pentecostals? >also, would historical Calvinists recognize guys like these, as their fellows?
>>17437896>Would you mind debating Sola Fide?Yes, I'm not full of debate.>>17437909You don't know what a metaphor is. Have fun burning in Hell!>>17437930>The papacy is Biblical>Because Jesus gave Peter some special authoritiesFunny, that has absolutely nothing to do with an unmarried "bishop" in Rome who preaches endless heresy. I know you don't care though, your pride is thousands of times more important to you than the Bible. I'm so glad that you're going to suffer forever. You fully deserve it. You're trash.
>>17437958>do baptists have "compound communes", or is that just FLDS?I've never heard of that, so I'm guessing not.
>>17436689Baptism is optional. Tithing technically is but not for full membership. Bacon is fine. Attending church is not optional.
>>17438039Yeah it is optional. Baptism or hell, you choose
>>17438053Enjoy burning!
>>17436689You're forgetting how they have unquestioning loyalty to israel and dysgenics.
>>17436728>>17436690Any evidence?
>>17436758Why would you want to believe in a child molesting drug user as per the Great Scholar Ammon Hillman?
>>17436912I think we both know there is only one cure to this disease.
>>17437940>Ese give me this for free, o algoReminder that they stole the horse, which they then embellished to be a donkey.
>>17436689Ever since the Romans got their hands on the religion and spread through blood and conquest, Christianity has been solely about how to control populations with it. Making it easier to run without ceremony or discipline is just a good marketing move. The Post Truth Era is all about soft power moves.
>>17438053>>17438088>The bot is arguing with itself now.
Correct OP, but the pendulum will probably now swing in the exact opposite direction, with Christians probably becoming full turbo communists. Jan van Leiden and Anabaptism is probably the perfect denomination for them, so leftards will probably latch onto that. Just read this, and tell me I'm wrong:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-islamic-state-the-mue_b_6748368
>>17438118Im a catholic not that Baptist moron
>>17436689>it's a pyramid scheme because they aren't committing themselves to a State Sponsored Church's pyramid scheme!>Inb4 OP whatabouts and implies every evangelical church is a mega church that every Evangelist attends and donates to
>>17436722This. Evangelicals seem to only care about sexual topics, even in politics. It's like God only cares about how you sexually behave and not how genuinely good of a person you are.My country is getting fucked over by evangelicals infiltrating politics and making everything about their sexual puritanism, overflowing the political debate with strawman-fallacies and meaningless bullshit like "trans bathrooms" while people are fucking starving and getting killed by gangs.
>>17436729They also sell Catholic books at Walmart
>>17438099my unending anger about people that masturbate and my complete, furious obsession with transgenders
>>17438143>with Christians probably becoming full turbo communists.I don't think so. I think we're already seeing a split between American folk-monotheism, which as >>17438367 pointed out is barely a religion in any real sense, and Actual Christians who read the Bible and Salon, care deeply about migrants, vote Democrat because of Trans Rights, and so on. The latter are literally just Communists already, and have been since the 1800s when the Christian Clergy of the West were lit ablaze by Marxism. The former are just going to continue dwindling away into impotence as their youth either get siphoned off into esoteric religions for White people, like Asatru or Buddhism, or they'll fall into the growing Mestizo pool.
>>17436729So do book stores
>>17436689>Eating bacon is fineAre you a Muslim? I've never heard of Christians who don't eat bacon (pork?) besides Seven Day Adventists who are vegetarians.
>>17436689You're right. This wave of secularism and the decay of culture is the fault of "Christians" in the West losing their salt. They conformed to human whims and passions. Even the Roman Catholics are unrecognizable from even 100 years ago.Orthodoxy is the truth, and part of the proof of that is in the pudding. They have not bent and not changed. Nothing more and nothing less than what Christians have always believed is what they profess. It is hard. It's not marketable.But it heals people.
>>17438518Enjoy burning in Hell, forever!
>>17438707
>>17438765>At age 22 in 1956 and while he was still at Pomona College, Rose came out as gay. During a romantic relationship with Jon Gregerson, Rose was exposed to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. While the relationship lasted a significant period, Gregerson lost interest in Orthodoxy despite Rose's growing interest.
>>17438765Get excited, you get to spend eternity being tortured with BASED "priests" like that dude!
>>17438773>>17438707>>17436775>>17436775>>17438020NTAwhat an enormous piece of shitnothing in your demeanor or conduct reflects Jesus or his teachingswhoever taught you about Christianity failed you, maybe they knew better and maybe they didn'tnot only do you not belong to the apostolic church Jesus founded, you hate them as the world hated Jesus
>>17438812Jesus didn't found a church run by idol-worshipping celibate men wearing dresses.
>>17438770>>17438773This just makes him even more impressive in my view.Clearly you have never heard of St Mary of Egypt.Or St. Photini, the Samaritan woman by the well in the Holy Gospels.
>>17438824>adulterous woman>fagsThese aren't the same thing.
>>17438817you do not belong to the same church Jesus founded no different than a Gnostic really, they had a bunch of different denominations too>>17438827there is no difference between you and a homosexualrepent sinner
>>17438824This guy spent his 20s sodomizing his brains out, taking it in the ass, eating feces, and ingesting semen and now he's your spiritual guide (in hell). Romans 1 makes it very clear that homosexuality is a condition caused by persistent idolatry upon which God gives the reprobate up to vile affections.
>>17438110Donkeys are funnier
>>17438812Watch how these Christian narcissists treat anyone outside their control - pure mask-off hatred and contempt while claiming moral superiority. To your face they'll preach love and salvation, but the moment you reject their programming or question their authority, the mask slips and you see the true sadistic nature underneath. They'll wish eternal torture on you while claiming it breaks their heart, they'll celebrate your suffering while pretending to pray for your soul. Classic narcissistic rage when their target escapes control.Just look at how these Christian anons treat anyone who doesn't buy into their spiritual abuse program. They'll claim they're "saving" the world while eagerly fantasizing about all the outsiders burning in hell. They get off on the idea of divine punishment for anyone who rejects their control - literal eternal torture for the crime of not submitting to their psychological manipulation. And they've got the gaslighting so refined they'll tell you this hatred is actually love. Pure narcissistic death cult behavior: "Submit to our abuse or we'll celebrate your eternal suffering while pretending to be sad about it." The absolute state of these spiritual abusers thinking they're the good guys while jerking off to thoughts of divine punishment for wrongthink.
>>17438833Jesus accepted sinners who repent.You are very much unlike him.It's hilarious how self-righteous and judgemental you are, just like the Pharisees.
>>17438830No church from the 1st century exists today. You're retarded and committed to your pride. Homosexuality, as >>17438833 explained, is a sign that someone has been given over to a reprobate mind and can never be saved. The act itself doesn't condemn people to Hell more than other sins, but the fact that they want to engage in it indicates that they've already permanently rejected God in their hearts. Have fun burning with your faggot idol!
>>17438837Christianity clawed its way out of the filth by targeting the broken, the damned, and the discarded—prostitutes, criminals, and beggars—all with promises of salvation and eternal bliss. It thrived on the desperation of the powerless, offering them a god who supposedly cared while demanding their total submission. But once it gained power, it shed its veneer of humility and transformed into a weapon of domination. Its followers, bloated with self-righteous delusion, set out to crush anyone who didn’t conform, baptizing their wars, executions, and torture in the name of their so-called savior. The cross became less a symbol of sacrifice and more a flag of conquest, wielded with the same brutality they claimed to reject. Today, that same hypocrisy festers beneath a smug facade. Christians revel in their imagined superiority, clinging to the idea of heaven like a golden ticket while condemning everyone else to eternal hellfire with gleeful contempt. They sit on their thrones of moral arrogance, judging the world with rules written by men they’d probably execute if they lived now. The religion that once claimed to lift the lowly now thrives on hierarchy and exclusion, a hollow machine powered by fear, guilt, and promises no one can prove. Its followers demand reverence while offering none, wielding their faith like a cudgel to silence dissent and feed their own illusions of divine favor.
>>17438836bot post>>17438838>No church from the 1st century exists today.You are delusional.The church Jesus founded *personally* exists today just as much as his body exists today.His body has not passed away, and neither has his church, because they are the same.>the fact that they want to engage in it indicates that they've already permanently rejected God in their heartsthere is no difference between sodomy and fornicationhaving sex outside of marriage is literally no different than sodomypeople are naturally inclined to sinful behaviors because of Adameveryone has illicit desires, that includes homosexuals, but when they deny and turn their backs on these things and do not commit them again they are walking in the way Jesus commanded themthere is only ONE sin Jesus said he wouldn't forgive, and it isn't sodomyrather, it's something I have personally seen people do without realizing itit is my hope that their ignorance exonerates them, and if they had known better they wouldn't have done it
>>17438845bot post
>>17438827Christ's forgiveness is beyond either.
>>17438850Christianity is the spiritual equivalent of grabbing Jesus by the ankles, swinging him around like a cosmic chicken, and chucking him at God to say, "Yo, clean up my mess!" It’s not faith—it’s the ultimate karmic dumpster fire where Jesus gets turned into divine poultry just so you can keep being a selfish degenerate. "Oh, I lied, cheated, and stole? No worries, just deep-fry the Christ-chicken, and I’m golden!" The whole thing is one big "blame the bird" party, with billions smugly stuffing their faces with salvation wings while Jesus gets plucked and crucified over and over. It’s not grace; it’s the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card for moral freeloaders.
>>17438846>The church Jesus founded *personally* exists today just as much as his body exists today.Great, where is it? Who is the pastor? What does he preach?>His body has not passed away, and neither has his church, because they are the same.More difficulties with metaphor, noted.>having sex outside of marriage is literally no different than sodomyOnly in your faggot brain. A man and a woman fornicating is not the same as a man eating feces out of another man's anus. They are both sins, but one is the selfish indulgence of a natural impulse and the other is an unnatural perversion. Note how the Old Testament levies very different punishments for both acts.>there is only ONE sin Jesus said he wouldn't forgive, and it isn't sodomyThere are at least three: Blaspheming the Holy Ghost, changing the Bible (which your masters have done and championed for centuries), and taking the mark of the beast. However, no sins are forgiven for people, like you, who refuse to accept salvation. Remember that the next time you are about to post stupidity>The thought of foolishness is sin.
>>17438854thanks chatgpt
>>17437909>>17437920See John 6:63 (which you skipped).
every single post you have ever seen on this site using AI generated images and responding with walls of text is a bot
>>17438851>Christ's forgiveness is beyond either.Yes, but one actually has to accept that forgiveness. Committed homosexuals never do. At best they'll join a heretic schism of Christianity like Catholicism or Orthodoxy, which leads to the same Hell that atheism and Judaism do.
>>17438111Catholicism is a counterfeit of Biblical Christianity and has been since Constantine founded it.
JESUS LOVES COCKS
>>17438860Your opinion is ahistorical and you have no authority to stand on. Not to mention as the other anon said, it is in contradiction with Christ. You pronouncing judgement is prideful, and your lack of love is un-Christlike.
>>17438837He's right about sodomy being an abomination though.
>>17438872I have love for people who aren't committed to spreading damnable heresy in service of their ego and Satan. You? Not so much. That being said, you're free to believe in the gospel any time.
>>17438856>Great, where is it? Who is the pastor? What does he preach?Pilate if he were less virtuous. Asking ridiculous questions when the answer is already standing in front of you.>one is the selfish indulgence of a natural impulse and the other is an unnatural perversionYou are no different than other sinners.On the last day you will see repentant sodomites recieve mercy and you will cry out indignantly as if Jesus has to listen to your opinion on the matter.>no sins are forgiven for people, like you, who refuse to accept salvationSo you are under the assumption that Jesus can't save people who don't know his name or what he has done, right?Rather than ALL men being judged according to their DEEDS.2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
>>17438872Try reading the Bible sometime, anon. It states very clearly what is an abomination. Christ Himself as God authored every last word of it."For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."- Luke 9:26
>>17438873Murder is worse.I bet he thinks murder is a-okay with Jesus so long as he believes hard enough.After all, he can tell other people are going to hell based on what they *believe*.So it doesn't matter how many innocent people you murder, so long as you "believe" in Jesus.That whole "what you did to the least of mine you did unto me" thing? Entirely irrelevant, so long as you "believe".
>>17438876You just quoted your own self-refutation right there. Romans 2:2. We are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. What do you think it's talking about there? "Them which commit such things" refers to the people who Paul just described in Romans 1:26-28. We are sure that the judgement of God is according to truth (i.e. that they are reprobate) against them which commit such things.
>>17438879Being a fag is worse than murder. Moses killed an Egyptian and was the greatest prophet of the Old Testament. But this is not the case with the fags. They are fitted for destruction and have no hope.
>>17438876>the church at EphesusGone>the church at Philadelphia Gone>the church at SardisGone>the church at LaodeciaGone>the church at SmyrnaGone>the church at ThyatiraGoneBut the church that Jesus founded still exists, 2000 years later. When exactly did Jesus found a church? With the apostles? Peter left and started his own church, which also doesn't exist today. So where is it?>You are no different than other sinners.I'm very different, in that I've actually had my sins cleansed.>On the last day you will see repentant sodomites recieve mercy and you will cry out indignantly as if Jesus has to listen to your opinion on the matter.You're in for a very rude shock. Have fun with that!>So you are under the assumption that Jesus can't save people who don't know his name or what he has done, right?Of course.>Rather than ALL men being judged according to their DEEDS.Right, I'm not going to be judged for my sins. Ironically, you are going to get exactly what you want, and be judged according to your works, because you pridefully refuse to accept God's free gift of salvation. How deluded you are to think that you're somehow going to make the mark. Good luck with that.
>>17438874You don't believe in the One God, The Holy Trinity. You believe in the idol of your own imagination and acceptance, as if you can bend God to what you want Him to be. It's both theologically inconsistent and a failure of obedience. If you were obedient, you would not claim that the One Church does not exist anymore, which is calling Jesus Christ a liar when He said that hell would not prevail against it. You don't know history.It's why Christianity such as yours has been failing society, people see it is inconsistent and myopic, and formed by social morals and not Christ's morals. None of what you have said here will save anyone.
JESUS WAS A FAG
>>17438883For what it is worth the prophets in the Old Testament are not considered morally prefect. That is part of the meaning in Christianity, the idea being that the incarnation is necessary partially for that reason.
>>17438879Try reading Romans chapter 1 sometime. Paul describes how certain people are given over to a reprobate mind there. What that means is that they have rejected God to the point that they will never believe. Since that is the basis on which anyone can be saved, that makes it completely different from a repentant person who might have committed murder, such as Paul for example.>So it doesn't matter how many innocent people you murder, so long as you "believe" in Jesus.It's true that Christ has the authority to forgive men for their sins against God, since He is God. But that only applies to those who are saved. The rest will be judged for their sins."I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."- John 8:24
>>17438888CHECKED AND CONFIRMED ALL FAGGOTS
>>17438884>But the church that Jesus founded still exists, 2000 years later.Yes, it is One Church. He is the Head of the One Church, which is His body.
>>17438877Your interpretation of the Bible is irrelevant, and you are not an authority equal to the Apostles.
>>17438881Paul accepted the Romans who repented into the church.You would have told him that he was wrong to even evangelize Rome.If you have ever had sex outside of marriage, you are the same as a sodomite.And if you do not repent, you will have the SAME punishment. Because there is no respect of persons with God.Note, that you will NOT answer the question as to whether Jesus will save people who have never heard his name.That is because they never had the opportunity to accept salvation, and this results in cognitive dissonance for you.Jesus is going to judge the whole world, all men. And his criterion is not mere "belief" in him, as you have defined faith, but rather a person's deeds in life. As you sow, you will reap.Someone who is faithful to his covenant will do the things he tells them to do.
>>17438894Good thing I told you to read the Bible then, anon. Also, your interpretation is nothing compared to what the Bible says, as are idolatrous cult leaders who wear funny hats. I'm saying this just so we're clear.
>>17438885>You don't believe in the One God, The Holy Trinity. I sure do!>You believe in the idol of your own imagination and acceptance, as if you can bend God to what you want Him to be. Nope, you're just angry.>It's both theologically inconsistent and a failure of obedience. My views on the Bible are very consistent.>If you were obedient, you would not claim that the One Church does not exist anymore, which is calling Jesus Christ a liar when He said that hell would not prevail against it. The exact wording that you are referring to:> And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.>And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.It defies all standards of reason to think this somehow applies to the idolatrous abominations of Catholicism and/or Orthodoxy, just because they claim it.>You don't know history.I know the Bible.>It's why Christianity such as yours has been failing society, people see it is inconsistent and myopic, and formed by social morals and not Christ's morals. Unsaved people all think that the Gospel is foolishness. For example, you.>None of what you have said here will save anyone.None of what anyone typed here wills save anyone, since it's text on a forum. Faith comes from hearing, which comes from God's word being preached. No one is doing that here. I'm not trying to save you.
>>17438874>I have love, but-That is not Christlike.
>>17438891Christianity is the gayest scam in history, and anyone denying it is blind or delusional. You’ve got a religion built around worshipping a shirtless, ripped dude nailed to a cross, talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood like some BDSM cult, while calling him your “bridegroom” in heaven. Jesus ran around with 12 men, washing feet and professing undying love like the setup for a cheap porno. The church took that homoerotic mess and ran with it, stuffing celibate priests and monks into monasteries where they spent centuries screwing each other while wagging their fingers at “sinners.” Meanwhile, Christianity stole its entire framework from the Greeks and Romans, who were openly banging their protégés and celebrating male bodies in ways that would make Grindr blush. The West didn’t “turn gay”; it’s always been gay, and Christianity just repressed it under layers of guilt, shame, and hypocrisy. Modern atheism didn’t do shit—the closet just got too full to close.
>>17438891Great, I'd love to visit it someday. Where is it?
>>17438901What the Bible says depends on your interpretation...You are talking in circles.
>>17438904Having conditions on your love is far more Christlike than pretending to love unconditionally. God doesn't love the millions of people that he's torturing in fire forever.
>>17438897>You would have told him that he was wrong to even evangelize Rome.Why do you think that, anon?>If you have ever had sex outside of marriage, you are the same as a sodomite.The Bible does not call fornication a sin against nature. So, since I'm going by the Bible and not some random anon spouting off what he wants to be true, that means you're wrong.>And his criterion is not mere "belief" in him, as you have defined faith, but rather a person's deeds in life.Based on what it says in the Bible, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
>>17438906Holy Orthodoxy.
>>17438909>God doesn't love the millions of people that he's torturing in fire forever.It is sad that you believe this.
>>17438912Orthodoxy isn't a church. Which street is the original Church that Jesus opened 2000 years ago on?
>>17438907I did not write the Holy Bible. It has been here for two thousand years unchanged. I don't subscribe to academic relativism or to sophistry.
>>17438915>God is torturing people in fire>They will never have a moment's rest for eternity>But he still loves them thoughIt's beyond mental retardation to believe both things.
>>17438884>I'm not going to be judged for my sinswho will render to every man according to his deedsEVERY MAN>Gone>Gone>Gone>Goneprotestantism in a nutshellit's truly sad how little you understand your own holy book>So you are under the assumption that Jesus can't save people who don't know his name or what he has done, right?>Of course.You are a gnostic.Suffering under the delusion that a prerequisite for Jesus saving you is you personally knowing his true name.Pro-tip, Jesus can save you even if you have never heard of him.There is no special knowledge you need to have in order for Jesus to save you.>>17438883>They are fitted for destruction and have no hope.by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned
>>17438916You think the localities were separate, but they were not. Christ has one body. There is one faith professed. These Bishops met in council on numerous occasions. Read the letters of St. Ignatius, Archbishop of Antioch, who was taught directly by the Apostles.
>>17438919People who are now in hell had a chance to be saved but they rejected it. That's all there is to it, really."For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"- Romans 1:18-20"All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters."- Hosea 9:15
>>17438921>You are a gnostic.Nope. You're very angry. >Suffering under the delusion that a prerequisite for Jesus saving you is you personally knowing his true name.Acts 4:12>Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.>Pro-tip, Jesus can save you even if you have never heard of him.Where does it say that in the Bible? (It doesn't.)>There is no special knowledge you need to have in order for Jesus to save you.Absolutely there is. Even your retarded "church" teaches that you have to believe in Jesus as a requisite to salvation, innit?
>>17438917The fact that multiple prot sects exist is proof that the Bible is not plainly interpreted.Not to mention the fact that zero Christians believed that the Bible could be interpreted separately from the Church before the 1500's and the advent of the Protestant Reformation.Not to mention the fact that the Bible was canonized by the Undivided Church, which operated for 300 years without the Bible as you know it. That's longer than America has been a nation.
>>17438911>Why do you think that, anon?Because you are under the impression that Jesus cannot save some people, namely sodomites.>The Bible does not call fornication a sin against nature. Murder is also a sin against nature.But you think it's okay because it's not sodomy.Get a grip, heretic.>no man cometh unto the Father, but by meThat's because Jesus is going to judge the whole world. Every man will be recompensed according to their deeds.
>>17438924Yes, I understand that. I'm a Christian. Tell the OrthoLARPer. The point I'm making is that God does not love everyone.
>>17438919Christians don't believe your first statement.
>>17438923>Christ has one body.They do not know it because they do not belong to it.They think the church is a single building like the one they joined.
>>17438927>The fact that multiple prot sects exist is proof that the Bible is not plainly interpreted.Why do you want to trust in a sect rather than God? Serious question.>which operated for 300 years without the Bible as you know it.In Acts it says that the word of God was spreading. You couldn't be more wrong. From the moment that God's word was inspired, the church has had it and owned it. The church also is the pillar and ground of the truth, since this is where Scripture has always been preserved.If you think your institution or organization did not have the Bible for 300 years, then it must be a counterfeit. Possibly one founded by Constantine or someone who came along later.
>>17438935The word of God is not restricted to the bible.
>>17438923>You think the localities were separate, but they were not. Christ has one body. There is one faith professed. A church isn't the literal body of Christ anymore than the Eucharist is. A church is a congregation of born again believers. Not autistic enough? A church is simply a congregation. A hundred million people spread out across the globe is not a congregation. Smyrna and Philadelphia are not the same localities. Rome and Jerusalem are not the same localities.>These Bishops met in council on numerous occasions. Okay?>Read the letters of St. Ignatius, Archbishop of Antioch, who was taught directly by the Apostles.I've read most of his stuff. What about it? Some stuff in his writings is right, other stuff isn't. Being taught directly by the Apostles doesn't give him authority on par with the Bible. Jesus directly taught many people who went on to become damnable heretics like yourself and are currently enjoying the wages of their sins in Hell.>>17438932You're retarded.
>>17438933HE GOT THAT BODY
>>17438929>Because you are under the impression that Jesus cannot save some people, namely sodomites.Jesus is divine and omnipotent. In the book of Romans it says that God will not save them. That means it is His choice not to. I'm not going to go against that and order God to do something. That would be infinitely presumptuous.>Murder is also a sin against nature.Again, I'm going by the Bible here. The Bible is where I get the fact that sodomites are going against nature. Paul only uses this term once, in Romans 1:26. That's it. We also see the condemnation of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha to eternal fire mentioned in 2 Peter 2:6 and Jude 1:7. Look it up. Anyone can look this up anytime they want.
>>17438935I don't trust a prot sect. I trust the Church, which is literally headed by God the Son, and in which we receive God the Holy Spirit. Jesus sits at the right hand of His Father in heaven, in His great cession (rule) of the Church. He is active. He is the Living God.Whatever you pull from the Bible is your own interpretation and not how Christians have understood it according to the Church. You take one word and have a completely different idea of it than what all Christians, before Martin Luther, believed in.
>>17438940>church isn't the literal body of Christthe fruits of Sola Scriptura everyone
>>17438940>Being taught directly by the Apostles doesn't give him authority on par with the Bible.Further, the writings of Ignatius don't enjoy the same guarantee of preservation that the books of the Bible do. It's entirely possible some of your cherished church fathers were in fact legit, and have had their writings modified over time to suit the interests of your faggot "bishops".
>>17438938"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."- 1 Peter 1:23-25
>>17438949Are you literally Christ's rectal cavity?
>>17438949It's pretty sweet, we actually get to read the mind of God and know what he thinks and wants, unlike you guys who need fags to teach you how the Bible doesn't actually mean what it says. :)
>>17438952OOF
>>17438940>Some stuff in his writings is right, other stuff isn'tthis is your opinion, and as I said in the beginning, you are a literal who. You do not have the authority to make this distinction. People know this which is why prot sects are hemorrhaging people.I am not giving you my opinion. I am giving you the facts according to history and the Church Fathers.
>>17438957>this is your opinion, and as I said in the beginning, you are a literal who. You do not have the authority to make this distinction.The Holy Spirit has this authority, and I'm fortunate in that he dwells inside of me.>People know this which is why prot sects are hemorrhaging people.People have always preferred lies to truth. >I am not giving you my opinion. I am giving you the facts according to history and the Church Fathers.Grown men wearing dresses don't determine fact, anon.
>>17438953If you, a finite and flawed mortal being, think you can know God, then your god is so small and pathetic to be reduced to the capacity able to be understood by the human mind.
>>17438945>I don't trust a prot sect.One should place absolute trust, first and foremost, in God. If you are not doing this, then you are choosing to follow and believe in a group of men instead."Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."- Proverbs 3:5-6"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes."- Psalm 118:8-9
>>17438961God gave us the Bible for a reason. You just prefer your own delusional ego trips and navelgazing to the clear teaching of the Bible.
>>17438957>of Shanghai AND San FranciscoWhat is this nonsense? Pick a town bitch. He'd probably chose SF to be with co-sodomite Rose.
>>17438962God is the head of the Church. You should read the next sentence of my post.
>>17438963The Church gave you the Bible, anon.And it is not clear, otherwise the other protestants would agree with you. And they don't.
>>17438965>God is the head of my churchSure, the god of this world
>>17438953>>17438952so you've never read 1 Corinthians, Colossians, or Ephesians huhyou know, where the church is identified as the body of Christare you even Christians, or merely pretendingthey say to read the bible, but play dumb when the bible identifies the church as the body of Christthis is Sunday school level shit you don't know anything abouttruly Paul was talking about people just like you when he said when they read the scriptures the veil of ignorance is on them, which is only taken away in Christthey can see the letters, but do not know what they meanbecause the letter of the law is death, and the spirit of the law is life
>>17438967>The Church gave you the Bible, anon.>And it is not clear, otherwise the other protestants would agree with you. And they don't.Most protestants aren't saved. Every saved Christian is of one accord on the fundamental doctrines of the faith.
>>17438965I don't know about that, anon. You're talking about a political entity, sects, and Martin Luther. None of those things are, in fact, God.
>>17438970>so you've never read 1 Corinthians, Colossians, or Ephesians huh>you know, where the church is identified as the body of ChristMetaphorically. I thought fundamentalists were supposed to be the autistic hyperliteralists? You're such an embarrassment.
>>17438968" I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way. "St. Paul the Apostle's letter to the Church in Ephesus, Chapter 1.
>>17438975>He reads the Non-Inspired VersioNot gonna make it.
>>17438972Thinking you are "saved" like it's a done deal is hubris and pride as well, and an innovation of the 16th century.
>metaphoricallyI am done pretending the so-called protestants are worth interacting with.They are publicans and do not hear the church.
>>17438977Is your prophet Joseph Smith, or another guy who "became inspired with a new understanding of the Bible never before believed but totally not like those Muslims"?Also notice you failed to respond when I actually do put Holy Scripture to you. Starting to think you're a larper.
>>174389781 John 5:13>These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; ***that ye may know that ye have eternal life,*** and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.Emphasis added. Have fun burning!
>>17438982It was always that way anon. We don't argue for their sake, but for those reading. It's the simple witness of the faith one and for all delivered to the Saints. Don't be upset.
>>17438983The HIV Bible isn't Holy Scripture. In fact it removes several verses from the New Testament. Weird!
>>17438984>Have fun burning!This is demonic.
>>17438982>I am done pretending the so-called protestants are worth interacting with.Works for me! Keep to yourselves and leave God-fearing people alone.
>>17438990Would you prefer I lie and say that you're on your own special path to Jesus? I guess so, you clearly have a deep love of the lie.
>>17438987But not those verses, which you failed to respond to and are trying to distract from, heretic.
>>17438992I would prefer you faithfully represent Christ. You are what makes Christianity unpalatable to modern people. Not because of struggle or righteous exhortation, but because of your hatred.
>>17438993>22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way. "It's just the same failure to understand when the Bible is being literal and when it's being metaphorical. Is your house literally underneath God's feet right now, as that passage says? When Christ "marries" believers in the new Earth, do you think he's going to make us all wear dresses? Oh wait, you probably do. Gotta pick your examples carefully, my bad!
>>17438995Is Christ the head of the Church or not?
>>17438994>I would prefer you faithfully represent Christ. No, you wouldn't. You hate the actual teachings of Christ. Your commitment to him is a projection. You worship a God you've made in your own image.>You are what makes Christianity unpalatable to modern people. Not because of struggle or righteous exhortation, but because of your hatred.When I'm evangelizing a lost person, I don't tell them "have fun burning!" If a Catholic priest came to my door and tried to sell me on this trash, I'd probably have similarly choice words for him. I couldn't care less whether that lowers his estimation of the Bible in his eyes. He's already made that choice. Remember, a God-hating retard made this thread, not me.
>>17438997100%. Now answer me this: Is a man literally his wife's head? Is he literally attached to her torso?
>>17438998>No, you wouldn't. You hate the actual teachings of Christ. You are being dishonest with yourself.
>>17439001Why do you call your priest Father-Confessor? Do you think adding the -Confessor makes it not a violation of Christ's clear teachings?
>>17438999>100%So in fact this is valid.>>17438965>>17438945And therefore I rejected your claim that I trust a man-made institution, because Christ is the head of His Church.Which you denied. Here:>>17438968
>>17439005>>>17438999 (You)>>100%>So in fact this is valid.Are you going to answer my question? >>>17438965>>>17438945These posts aren't mine.>And therefore I rejected your claim that I trust a man-made institution, because Christ is the head of His Church.>Which you denied. Here:>>>17438968 (You)I think you misunderstand. Christ is not the head of your "church," Satan is.
>>17438986when you engage with these types, it gives others the impression that there is a genuine debate happeningthat is simply not true, they aren't even Christians because they do not belong to the same church Jesus founded by their own admissionsignal boosting their insanity lends them the veneer of legitimacy by mere association, and it is one they are manifestly undeserving of
>>17439003Your idea of "clear" as I have said before is faulty. Many protestants disagree with you, so it is not clear. If it were clear, they would agree. You can't just say "they're wrong" and still maintain that the Bible is individually self explanatory, otherwise they wouldn't have the opportunity to be wrong.Your interpretations are often wrong because they are focused on one verse out of the broader context of Holy Scripture, and with incomplete understanding necessarily coming from someone born 2000 years later on the opposite side of the globe. This is not an issue in the Church because the teachings of the Holy Fathers take into context the entirety of Scripture's meanings and make the distillation coherent and non-contradicting. Holy Tradition also has the unbroken link thru the Fathers back to the cultures and time periods spoken of, and with a wide variety of discussion in Ecumenical Council guided by the Holy Spirit.
>>17439011Fortunately, people are much more responsive to the word of God than they are your strange non-sensical arguments.
>>17439011I agree, but to make the stances of the Church known, you do need to talk to apostates. It's educational, a vessel by which the wisdom of the Holy Fathers and just direct history is conveyed. It is not always necessary but discernment is required. And I am not perfect either.
>>17439009That's just, like, your opinion, man.History disagrees with you.
>>17439016>Your idea of "clear" as I have said before is faulty.I couldn't care less about your opinion on this matter. >Many protestants disagree with you, so it is not clear. If it were clear, they would agree. See next point.>You can't just say "they're wrong" and still maintain that the Bible is individually self explanatory, otherwise they wouldn't have the opportunity to be wrong.I don't maintain that the Bible is individually self explanatory. An unsaved person can't sit down, read the Bible, and understand it. The Holy Spirit needs to teach them.>Your interpretations are often wrong because they are focused on one verse out of the broader context of Holy Scripture,More projection, very nice.>and with incomplete understanding necessarily coming from someone born 2000 years later on the opposite side of the globe. Fortunately God gives us all the context we need in the Bible.>This is not an issue in the Church because the teachings of the Holy Fathers take into context the entirety of Scripture's meanings and make the distillation coherent and non-contradicting.It's not an issue in the Church because the Church decided long ago that it doesn't care what the Bible says.>Holy Tradition also has the unbroken link thru the Fathers back to the cultures and time periods spoken of, and with a wide variety of discussion in Ecumenical Council guided by Satan.How very!By the way, is a man literally attached to his wife's torso?
>>17439020>Jesus says to turn the other cheek>Orthobro trad LARPer quotes some Greek metrosexual saying it's OK to smack people for offensive speech
>>17439020>to make the stances of the Church known, you do need to talk to apostatesThey are not apostate, because they never belonged to the church to begin with.Even calling them heretics is a charity.Their behavior ITT is the same as heathens and publicans because they transgress and do not hear the church.>educationalIt's not, it only fosters confusion when you act as if these people have a point to make.
>>17439016>Your idea of "clear" as I have said before is faulty. Many protestants disagree with you, so it is not clear. If it were clear, they would agree. You can't just say "they're wrong" and still maintain that the Bible is individually self explanatory, otherwise they wouldn't have the opportunity to be wrong.There you go promoting that relativist skepticism again. Do you realize how post-modernist that is? Truth exists, anon. It is apart from what peoples' opinions are. Also, my earlier questions have yet to be answered.>This is not an issue in the Church because the teachings of the Holy Fathers take into context the entirety of Scripture's meanings and make the distillation coherent and non-contradicting. Holy Tradition also has the unbroken link thru the Fathers back to the cultures and time periods spoken of,What you are referring to is manmade tradition and distinctly inferior to God directly teaching His followers the truth."But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."- 1 John 2:27"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:"- 1 John 5:9"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."- Matthew 23:8-10>and with a wide variety of discussion in Ecumenical Council guided by the Holy Spirit.There are numerous groups based in various cities and regions across the world that all claim this. Believing whatever random cult sprung up in your specific time and place is guaranteed to be inferior to simply believing God. Choosing to believe in a group of men and prioritize what they say over God is always a bad idea.
>>17439023How do you know you are correctly receiving God's instruction in your own personal interpretation? And conversely, how does anyone know that the other 30,000 protestant groups aren't the ones receiving the correct version? How does Christian history fit into this, before the Reformation?
>>17439024You're so legalistic. And definitely haven't read St. John Chrysostom.
>>17439029>How do you know you are correctly receiving God's instruction in your own personal interpretation?Holy Ghost.>And conversely, how does anyone know that the other 30,000 protestant groups aren't the ones receiving the correct version?Holy Ghost.>How does Christian history fit into this, before the Reformation?We have a very warped view of Christian history prior to the Reformation because of the Catholic Church's control of the written record.
>>17439031>turn the other cheek>legalisticNo, I don't read the screechings of a damned sinner whose body is constantly getting eaten over and over again by worms in hell.
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>>17439027Disposition matters - have faith in people! They can sense unreasonable positions. It's why people are flooding out of the heterodox groups. As you know, Christ spent time among the publicans. It's worth it, even if these people seem like a brick wall, and even if their words are allowed to be said. Without that, nothing can actually be conveyed. I appreciate your point though.Every post I combine with words that are far wiser than my own.
>>17439034Since the Holy Spirit tells you everything you need to know why even bother reading the bible at all?Maybe you could even demonstrate the works of the Holy Spirit, which said Spirit works through the charismatic gifts of that holy church which Christ founded himself.
>>17439028>What you are referring to is manmade tradition and distinctly inferior to God directly teaching His followers the truth.It literally was Christ teaching His Apostles. And His Apostles teaching others. And ordaining clergy. And hearing confessions. As Christ gave them power to do.
>>17439041>Since the Holy Spirit tells you everything you need to know why even bother reading the bible at all?Christ commanded us to search the scriptures in John 5:39.
>>17439041I can speak in tongues: ONBAKHTUS KUHRRANDI MAQHARALAKAN
>>17439041>Since the Holy Spirit tells you everything you need to know why even bother reading the bible at all?Because that's how the Holy Spirit talks to us.>Maybe you could even demonstrate the works of the Holy Spirit, which said Spirit works through the charismatic gifts of that holy church which Christ founded himself.What?
>>17439034Not only is your explanation of proof arbitrary, your perception of history is just completely ignorant. Do you know that Mount Athos has been in continuous operation for over 1500 years?
>>17439042The Holy Bible consists of every word that God inspired to the apostles and prophets. See 2 Peter 1:20-21. Manmade writings and man's words are distinctly fallible and inferior to the Bible by comparison. This is the point.
LMAO CHRISTKEKS CHANGE TONE AFTER THEY REALISE THEY ACTING LIKE BITCHESTROLL BOSS IS THE VOICE OF REASON LMAO
>>17439050>autismWhy stop there? We have the rich traditions of Islam and Buddhism to pour over to learn about history!
>>17439036Your description is like jews who overemphasize sexual acts in media. It's a demonic hyperfixation. You think Christ kissed His mother with that mouth of foulness?
>>17439051What happened to "by word of mouth or by letter"?
>>17439050Did you know that Baptist churches have been in continuous operation since the time of Christ?
>>17439036Appealing to based Chrysostum and other Church Fathers is a huge part of the LARP for these idiots. They think they are signaling their deep intellect because they read 2 pages of something old.
>>17439053Mount Athos was Christian before your ancestors were. You are clearly displaying bias.
>>17439045Christ was talking to the Pharisees in that passage.I think it's very funny how you just identified yourself as a Pharisee, considering I already mentioned this earlier ITT.38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.41 I receive not honour from men.42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
>>17439059I don't think you understand what I'm saying. We don't know what was happening everywhere in the Christian world. Not all of it was documented. What was documented was documented by heretics like the Catholic Church and your queer monks.
>>17439054Yes this is how Christ preached:>And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
>>17439057This is not true. Your theology was not present and cannot be attested to at any time before the Reformation. All Christians before that time believed in Holy Ordination of clergy, the Holy Mysteries (Sacraments in the West) including the Precious Body and Blood in the Eucharist and Confession, etc.
>>17439060>Christ was talking to the Pharisees in that passage.>I think it's very funny how you just identified yourself as a Pharisee, considering I already mentioned this earlier ITT.We get it man, you don't like the Bible.
>>17439061The burden of proof is on you and your magical unproven sect. All of History attests to the Undivided Church, and the Schism.
>>17439049>that's how the Holy Spirit talks to usDo you seriously think the Holy Spirit does not speak to our hearts directly?It is written that this is so in scripture, that those who abide by their consicience are a law unto themselves.Reading the bible is NOT the ONLY way God interfaces with his church.>the charismatic gifts of that holy church which Christ founded himself.>What?read 1 Corinthians 12 for a basic overview
>>17439056"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."- 2 Thessalonians 3:6>>17439060>Christ was talking to the Pharisees in that passage.Incorrect. According to John 5:19, that whole passage was addressed to the Jews generally. Also,"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."- John 5:24This is the same passage as John 5:39.
>>17439063It's 100% true. If there haven't been Baptists (not necessarily under that name, of course) since the first century, how do you explain the fact that the gospel has survived this long? It's transmitted person to person. So, logically, there must be at least one chain which goes all the way back to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. In reality, like that anon said, there were almost certainly several. We are taught that many were established in the New Testament. No doubt each of those churches would spawn others.
>>17439063The Montanists, Donatists, Paulicians, Cathars, and Waldensians all held to the same theology as a Bible-believing Baptist today.
>>17439062Is that one of your literal passages, or your metaphorical ones? What did the ghost whisper to you this time?
>>17439064average reading comprehension of the typical Sola Scriptura enjoyerwhen you say "us", what you really mean is "me" because Jesus was telling the Pharisees to do thatfor my part, I am not one of those Phariseesdon't lump me in with them, that's all you baby
>>17439068This is fanfiction to account for your disbelief that the One Church was in fact one organization.
>>17439070Those worms are very real and you will one day get to have the same experience.
>>17439065>The burden of proof is on youProof of what? That we don't know what was happening in every Christian group for 1500 years? The burden of proof would be on you to demonstrate that we do have that knowledge. You're retarded, my guy.>Do you seriously think the Holy Spirit does not speak to our hearts directly?I think that the Holy Spirit speaks to us through the Bible, and that it's possible even for saved Christians to be misled by their own hearts if they don't check their beliefs against the text.>for my part, I am not one of those PhariseesOkay, you're your own special brand of doomed heretic. Congratulation!>>17439073Maybe if you keep saying "One Church" it will eventually become true. Worth a shot!
>>17439067Your passage is a direct contradiction to mine, which you posted without further explanation. This is further example of why your interpretation is YOURS, and is inconsistent. The Church does not have conflicting and conflating teachings on separate sections of Holy Scripture.
>>17439070>Openly mocking the Holy SpiritM'lord.
>>17439078>Your passage is a direct contradiction to mine, which you posted without further explanation.You think 2 Thess. 3:6 contradicts 2 Thess. 2:15?
>>17439074If this makes you gleeful to imagine this, it is demonic. I do not feel the same about you not possessing the truth.
>>17439067when Jesus told these Pharisees that they thought reading a book would give them eternal life, he might as well been talking to you personally>for in them ye think ye have eternal lifehow can you not recognize the cutting sarcasm herethe letter of the law killsthe spirit is that which gives life>Incorrect. According to John 5:19, that whole passage was addressed to the Jews generally. The Jews generally aren't that group which constantly tried to kill him for healing people on the sabbath day.That would be the Pharisees very specifically, and it is that group to which he is speaking.
>>17439081>I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh. When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
>>17439082"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."- Matthew 4:4
>>17439080stop responding to bots you fucking idiotwhere is your discernment
>>17439077History speaks for itself. Your choice is to ignore it. I don't know how you can live with that, maybe in ignorance. But as soon as you face hardship, of feel betrayal in your group, or Pastor Bob decides to do a little schism and your congregation splits, you will have nothing to cling to. You will feel betrayed and lost. I understand you don't believe this will happen, but it will, statistically speaking.
>>17439086Watch how these Christian narcissists treat anyone outside their control - pure mask-off hatred and contempt while claiming moral superiority. To your face they'll preach love and salvation, but the moment you reject their programming or question their authority, the mask slips and you see the true sadistic nature underneath. They'll wish eternal torture on you while claiming it breaks their heart, they'll celebrate your suffering while pretending to pray for your soul. Classic narcissistic rage when their target escapes control.Just look at how these Christian anons treat anyone who doesn't buy into their spiritual abuse program. They'll claim they're "saving" the world while eagerly fantasizing about all the outsiders burning in hell. They get off on the idea of divine punishment for anyone who rejects their control - literal eternal torture for the crime of not submitting to their psychological manipulation. And they've got the gaslighting so refined they'll tell you this hatred is actually love. Pure narcissistic death cult behavior: "Submit to our abuse or we'll celebrate your eternal suffering while pretending to be sad about it." The absolute state of these spiritual abusers thinking they're the good guys while jerking off to thoughts of divine punishment for wrongthink.
>>17439081>Taking glee in God's wrath is demonicInteresting! So when the saints in Heaven cry out for God to avenge their blood, is that also demonic?Revelation 6 9-10>And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:>And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?How about God? The one who is actually going to torture you with fire? Is he demonic?
>>17439091Great! So where can I find the minutes of each church meeting in Spain in the year 512 A.D.?>frogposterOh nevermind, I don't enjoy talking to trash.
>>17439087Right, so you concede that INDEED those Jews Jesus is speaking to in John 5:39 are Pharisees.Because it's well known from other areas of scripture that THEY are the ones who time and again criticise Jesus and his followers for doing things on the sabbath, and THEY are the one constantly trying to kill him.Why identify yourself with them considering the VERY strong words Jesus has to say about them in the immediately surrounding verses? It truly boggles the mind, either you're playing a joke on me or you have been conditioned to think this way.
>>17439079You don't believe in The Holy Spirit, yours is some ghost whispering to you and only you what has not been believed by any Christians until recently, and much of it has been declared heresy by Ecumenical Councils over 1000 years ago.This is not for you. This is for those reading who can see history themselves. And who can see the plain fruits of your belief in your disposition.
>>17439080According to the Church, yes. That means according to all Christians for the last 2000 years, barring you protestants.
>>17439098>Right, so you concede that INDEED those Jews Jesus is speaking to in John 5:39 are Pharisees.The Pharisees were a subset of the Jews, but that passage isn't addressed specifically to them. Also, some Pharisees were eventually saved, like Nicodemus.>Why identify yourself with them considering the VERY strong words Jesus has to say about them in the immediately surrounding verses?You mean like John 5:24? That's one of my favorite verses in the whole Bible, anon."Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."- John 5:24
>>17439100Matthew 16:4: "A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."Luke 4:12: "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."John 4:48: "Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will never believe."Romans 10:17: "Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."2 Corinthians 5:7: "For we live by faith, not by sight."Romans 1:19-20: "Since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."Hebrews 1:1-2: "In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe."Deuteronomy 18:10-12: "Let no one be found among you who... interprets omens... Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord."Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.Job 38:2-4: "Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand."
>>17439100>le 4chinz post is big numberthe criteria for miracles really has declined
>>17439093Wanting justice is not demonic. Delighting in torture is. If that is what your god is like, then yes, it is a demon.
>>17439100Great! The fruits of my belief is that I've saved dozens of people in the past few years. The fruits of your belief is that people recognize that you are incredibly prideful, and you're going to burn in Hell, forever, when you die. Have fun with that!>>17439101>all ChristiansCatholics and OrthoLARPers aren't Christians.
>>17439094Don't pretend you've research the Ecumenical Councils.
>>17439108Equating saving people to notches on your belt is incredibly egotistical.
>>17439105>wall of versesThis is what protestants eventually come to, and it's not convincing. Not in the way you want, at least, because everyone else reading outside the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church will have a completely different takeaway than what you intend.
>>17439103>that passage isn't addressed specifically to themwho else tried to kill Jesus on multiple occasions and denounced him for healing on the sabbathnone other than they, anonwhen you say Jesus' words in 5:39 are a commandment to "us", you are perhaps unknowingly associating the church which feeds his sheep with the same Pharisees who steal them away and constitute their mortal enemies
>>17439108Your promise of salvation is false, according to what I've seen here.
>>17439112GETS ARE SATANIC DIVINATION
>>17439101>According to the Church, yes.I think you may have lost the train of thought here. Are you saying you think that the book of 2 Thessalonians contradicts itself?
>>17439111The topic was the fruit of my spirit. I guess you're angry that people listen to me instead of glazing over like they do at your demonic rants! :D
>>17439100Indians created zero.
>>17439114The Pharisees were evil, barring a few who converted from them and accepted the truth like Paul.
>>17439115>Your promise of salvation is false, according to what I've seen here.Right, because you reject God's word completely, and I'd bet knowingly.
>>17439119More egotistical posturing.
>>17439110Orthofag history be like>in 666 AD, Theospergopolous of Smyrna taught that Christ had one combined human and divine mind>this was rejected by Byzantine emperor Slaughtoros II>the council of Diokletora decrees that Christ has two separate human and divine minds in a perfect unity of love and neo-Platonism>three separate churches exist to this day because of it
>>17439116prots have also trademarked the moralism and satanic panic, too. Really strange because Orthodox Christians actually do regard demons very seriously. But it's moderated by love and understanding, not blind panic and fearmongering.
>>17439129So you seek signs?
>>17439127Great! Are we all done here? If so, I wish you a long life so you can pile on as many sins on your head as possible before your horrible judgment.
>>17439117According to your derived interpretation, yes. Which is why the Church does not affirm that interpretation, obviously. Otherwise we wouldn't call our priests and Bishops Fathers for 2000 years.
>>17439133>2000 years>no New Testament leader ever called father
>>17439123no more evil than other men by their naturesurely you do not consider their crimes against the church to be lesser than the consentual profligacy of sodomitesif even Paul can be forgiven for his murders and cruelty, how much more mercy can a repentant sodomite who has never murdered or tortured other human beings made in the image of God recieve by the grace of the Lord Almighty
>>17439132Anger at being exposed.
>>17439128Based. Except only One Church exists, and the other two are known heretics and shamed into nonexistence. There's a reason Protestantism never arose from the Orthodox Church.
>>17439139Your divisions will grind you into dust.
>>17439133Nothing in the Bible contradicts itself, anon. I honestly have no clue where that idea came from.
>>17439137Great! Have fun burning!
>>17439139No this is pointing to how there are autistic differences between your cult, the Oriental Orthodox, Nestorians, and various other schisms of the Heterodox Church.
>>17439146Desperate seething and uncontrollable emotions. Great fruits.
>>17439135It's in the Bible itself, not like you'd interpret it that way.But we also live in the realm of reality, with historical continuity, and in the real world. So those such as St Ignatius and St Justin were just as much regarded as the Gospels (remember, the Canon for the Bible was not even established yet)
>>17439145Your interpretations do, such as the aversion to calling teachers "father". Some prots take it strictly too, you know? Like they won't even call their dad father.
>>17439149The canon of the Bible was established by God, not some Greco-Roman fagfest.
>>17439144Let's be real, if that was going to happen, don't you think it would have happened by now?Two thousand years.You can leave the Church, but you cannot change the faith by leaving.
>>17439136So are you switching topics now?>surely you do not consider their crimes against the church to be lesser than the consentual profligacy of sodomitesThe Pharisees were basically the template for manmade traditions. Christ rebuked them in Mark 7 because they were elevating their manmade traditions and making the word of God "of none effect," meaning they were nullifying it. This is also what all false religions today do.>if even Paul can be forgiven for his murders and cruelty, how much more mercy can a repentant sodomite who has never murdered or tortured other human beings made in the image of God recieve by the grace of the Lord AlmightyRead what the Bible has to say in Romans 1.
>Jesus called goyim dogsKeep barking, little puppies!
>>17439154I'm not a Syrophoenician.
>>17439152Exposure and communication has amplified, it's exponential destruction from here.
>>17439147This is pointing out clear departures from the faith and from the authority structure of the One Church. This is all well recorded, it's not like people can't go on wikipedia and find out why the oriental orthodox split at the Fourth Ecumenical Council. And they didn't call themselves "oriental" "orthodox" until less than a hundred years ago, either.
>>17439148I've responded to every "substantive" point you retards have posted in this thread. Now, I'm done with you. I really hope I get to see the look on your face on judgment day. You're going to suffer so much you can't even imagine it. And it will *never* end! :D
>>17439161>one church>splits every time some ethnowar breaks out in eastern Europe
>>17439151This is demonstrably untrue.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
>>17439163You wish you impotent retard, have a look at the state of yourself, you're in hell.
>>17439159This is cope.
