Are there any ancient remains that show signs of suicide?Why is suicide such a modern phenomenon. I’m not talking about rulers like cleopatra or famous people who ended it to avoid being murdered but every day people, say Neolithic or Palaeolithic. I know it’s impossible to say but do you think these people experienced depression? Surely some poor fucker lost his wife and kids and thought fuck it and hung himself but is there any evidence of that?
>>17436813The weak and unfit pieces of genetic shit that kill themselves in the modern age would never have even survived long enough to consider it in the past. Most scrawny incellic looking men were just beaten to death or thrown off cliffs, I would imagine
>>17436939That’s an incredible assumption you are making there. All kinds of people commit suicide poor men, rich men, strong men, weak men. I’m more interested if suicide is a statistical probability within our nature or if the modern world has really created this. Saying tribal people don’t kill themselves isn’t really that reliable because of smaller populations and less evidence/different social views on suicide
Nature used to kill the runts for us
>>17436975Again, people who commit suicide aren’t runts. Many people live successful and beautiful lives before taking their lives. Why do you sorts of people even come on this board when you have nothing interesting to say
>>17436984You seem to glorify those who end their own lives. Are you trying to feel less alone or something?
>>17436987I’m not glorifying them. I’m just saying it’s a wide range of people who commit suicide you never heard people say ‘I would have never thought he’d be the type to kill himself’ ‘I never saw it coming’ ‘he always seemed like the happiest person’. I am not suicidal. It’s just factually incorrect what you are saying
>>17436813Committing suicide requires a certain amount of agency that most people in the past didn't have. People didn't kill themselves as much in the past because they were less free not because they were happier.
>>17437032Could you elaborate on what you mean by agency and ‘they were less free’ please
>>17437037A quick google search will reveal that most ancient societies (rome, greece, egypt,etc) had between 10-30% of their population enslaved, enslaved as in they likely slept in shared dormitories (possibly locked and/or guarded by humans/dogs), may have wore chains/yokes etc, would be whipped if they left the dormitory at night or job site during the day, were unpaid (couldn't buy anything), etc. It would be difficult for a person in these circumstances to kill themselves. Most "free" people weren't that much more free, didn't necessary have access to resources that could be used to kill themselves ("why are you going in the shed?", "What are you looking for?","what do you need that for?" "Why are you in the kitchen? Go back outside, it's not meal time"), and might not have necessarily possessed knowledge that you take for granted, like for example that strangling yourself with a cord will result in death.
>>17437055Interesting. Thanks for elaborating on your theory
>>17437055People were being hanged all the time, I doubt that it was some secret knowledge
>>17436813I think self-termination occurs when people feel they offer zero utility to the tribe. Lots of old people did this in tribal days. Young people didn't because they were always useful. Nowadays, large organizations are doing everything in their power to essentially make as many people as possible obsolete. That's double true for men, who represent the majority of suicides.
