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There is no way the jungle folks built cities like this.
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>>17439472
It's almost as if populations aren't a homogenous mass, and there may have been social classes with different aptitudes than the norm.

And the Valley of Mexico isn't a jungle environment.
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There is no way the desert folks built cities like this.
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It isn't that hard if you aren't a nog
they couldn't figure out writings and math, that's the big knock on them. Spic still has these shortcomings to this very day
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>>17439472


THE MEXICA WERE NOT «JUNGLE FOLK» (SIC).
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>>17439523
Why are Asians so much better at maths?
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>>17439554
It’s cultural. Their culture is huge on academic performance and they gruel kids for not succeeding. Blacks and latinos are less about succeeding/competing socially and more about community and family. This is due to a bunch of factors. I swear to god every time I come in this board I am stuck explaining simple things to zoomers. Im gonna stop coming here
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>>17439559
>It’s cultural.
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>>17439472
>minecraft screenshot
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>>17439563
>le Pepe frog meme because you challenged my racism
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>>17439567
Is it only cultural, anon? Is the culture itself "only cultural," or does the culture have at least some underlying basis in innate characteristics? Could other people have the same culture, and could they have the same results?
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>>17439576
Hello kiddie here is another education lesson for you, you are so lucky tonight. Cultures emerge from environmental factors. Take a look at any group of people who have faced colonialism and systemic exclusion/persecution, they aren’t doing too well. You are welcome for another post of me pointing out the obvious to kiddies who get their opinions from YouTube, tiktok, twitter and pol.
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>>17439581
>Wow, this Jared Diamond guy sure is neat! Really makes me think!
Cultures do not only emerge from environmental factors. There are plenty examples of groups who were persecuted or dealt with LE COLONIALISM and yet managed to end up doing quite well materially.

Would non-Asian children, raised in similar cultural conditions, perform the same? Would they tolerate the 20-hour-study-hard-every-day rigor Asian to which Asian students are subjected?
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>>17439595
Stopped reading at Le colonialism because it tells that you are either full of propaganda or interacting with me in an insincere manner. Stop getting your information from social media and message boards, it doesn’t reflect reality
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>>17439576
But they weren’t doing well before colonialism either, hence why they were colonised.
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>>17439602
Where do you think you are?
>I am shocked! SHOCKED!
>I posted in a 4chan thread and people are responding in memespeak!

Anyways, you're clearly engaging from an insincere position yourself, since you attempted to elide the issues I raised in my first post. (also, everyone knows you didn't stop reading, but you''re looking for a way out because the topic makes you extremely uncomfortable).
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>>17439604
Not necessarily, "doing well" can be a relative matter. Take for example a people doing about as well as could be expected in an extremely harsh environment. Or perhaps a people not yet recovered from a major social or environmental crisis.
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>>17439472
Central Mexico isn't a jungle, not even close.
Why do retards still assume that the Aztecs lived in a jungle even though Tenochtitlan being the same thing as Mexico city is now relatively common knowledge? Do they just assume that the spaniards succesfullly terraformed the place from a humid tropical jungle into a temperate valley with snowy mountains or something?
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>>17439581
>Hello kiddie here is another education lesson for you, you are so lucky tonight.
>You are welcome for another post of me pointing out the obvious to kiddies who get their opinions from YouTube, tiktok, twitter and pol.
Does this constitute "interacting in a sincere manner'?
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>>17439581
>Asians never faced colonialism and systemic exclusion/persecution
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>>17439554
Spics can't into education.
I'm using math as an example but they rank 2nd lowest after Blacks in every subject you test them.
They simply aren't bright
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>>17439686
Can't that just simply be explained by ther socio-economical position in current society instead of just writing them off as not bright?
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Why though?
Their population was reduced by 90% in one hundred years so it was basically an apocalypse.
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>>17439613
Seems like a weird coincidence that literally that literally everyone on Earth that wasn’t white was just caught at an inopportune moment.
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>>17439763
For fucking how long in the history of humanity
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>>17439472
indeed, the tartarian empire was really impressive
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>>17439763
There are examples of white people also being caught at inopportune moments. Or a relatively more advanced society nevertheless being subjugated because they didn't have the mass of their adversary. Also, pay attention to
>not necessarily
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>>17439472
They did not. Tenochtitclan was not that big. Most of the remains are fanmade by Mexican goverment during XX century. The original buildings were made of mud and way less interesting.
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>>17439803
>Get BTFO globally in the last 500 years by snowniggers that never even invented agriculture
Imagine having a prehistorically ancient head start and still getting wrecked. Only non-whites I can respect are Turkics.
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>>17439829
Weird how these supposed effects of colonialism and systematic persecution never held ypipo back then.
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>>17439844
Learning that most touristic historical buildings are modern restorations really did a number on some of you niggers, you're speaking nonsense now.

The mexican government did not build the shitty flat stone foundations in the middle of downtown Mexico City that are all that remains of Tenochtitlan because why the fuck would they? They don't even get tourists, archaeologists are the ones who use them most of the time.

They didn't "build" the restored non-aztec pyramids elsewhere in the country either, at least not in the way you seem to think they did, the fact that they were overgrown with vegetation a century ago doesn't mean that they were akshually earthen mounds that the mexican government (and the spanish empire before them) have for whatever reason continuously fooled the world into thinking were actually stone pyramids for the past 500 years, it doesn't make any sense if you actually know anything about the topic, or are not retarded.
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>>17439472
Good thing that the Aztec weren't in the Jungle and the Valley of Mexico and otherparts of Central Mexico were temperate valleys then

Tenochtitlan did look pretty close to that, I already explicitly listed the specific caveats and potential inaccuracies (some/most of the commoner homes may have had stray instead of flat roofs or wouldn't have been painted, the exact layout of the precinct would be slightly different and the layout of the other portions of the city is somewhat speculative, the bottom right Jean Torton/Voyages D'Alix art uses some art from the Mixtec Zouch Nuttal Codex rather then Aztec artwork, though as seen in pic related, Mixtec stuff would still look quite similar to Aztec ones, etc) in the bottom of the image for the sake of intellectual honesty

I also uploaded or provided links to 20+ images of surviving ruins, manuscript depictions, etc which back up the architectural style being shown in those pieces of art being accurate, as well as mention Spanish and Aztec descriptions of the city and it's architecture to back up the reconstructions here:

arch.b4k.co/v/thread/640239519/#640246635
arch.b4k.co/v/thread/640239519/#640247043
arch.b4k.co/v/thread/640239519/#640247735
arch.b4k.co/v/thread/640239519/#640250836

>>17439844
It's true that a fair amount of restorations done on Mesoamerican ruins in the early 20th century are overly extrapolative and had errors, but none of that is really the case with Tenochtitlan's remains, which were mostly excavated in the middle and later 20th century and have had minimal restoration work done.

Even where it is an issue, like at some structures at Teotihuacan, you can tell what is or isn't restored most of the time because it's indicated by pebbles being inserted in the mortar between the stone fill, wheras the portions that were still standing without needing to be re-assembled lack those inserted pebbles. Also, as I just noted, these were mortar/stone structures to begin with, not mud ones

1/?
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>>17439482
>>17439472
Both Mexico City and Cairo are desert enviornments, not jungles
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>>17439602
Anon, you still haven't replied:
>>17439581
>Hello kiddie here is another education lesson for you, you are so lucky tonight.
>You are welcome for another post of me pointing out the obvious to kiddies who get their opinions from YouTube, tiktok, twitter and pol.
Does this constitute "interacting in a sincere manner'?
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>>17441079
The Valley of Mexico isn't a jungle, but it a;so isn't desert by any definition.
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test
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they didnt. notice the eyes and the beard of picrel
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>>17441115
You want sincerity on 4 "Don't Take Anything Seriously" Chan?
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>>17439482
the sphinx is only half that size
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>>17441146
Doesn't exactly mean much. As your own pic clearly shows, he was also depicted as having black, red and yellow skin.
The postclassic mesoamerican artstyle was quite far from being naturalistic and deities in particular were almost always depicted as having unnatural colors to them, like this candy cane colored god from the same codex.
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>>17439472
> When we saw all those cities and villages built on water; and the other great towns on dry land, and that straight and level causeway leading to Mexico, we were astounded. These great towns and shrines and buildings rising from the water, all made of stone, seemed like an enchanted vision from the tale of Amadis. Indeed some of our soldiers asked whether it was not all a dream. It is not surprising therefore that I should write in this vein. It was all so wonderful that I do not know how to describe this first glimpse of things never heard or, never seen, and never dreamed of before.
-Bernal Diaz
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>>17439567
>>le Pepe frog meme because you challenged my heresy
Who asked you?
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>>17439581
>passive agressive tone
>appeal to authority
>obsession with idealogical correctness
Some people deserve their suffering.
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>>17439581
>ignoring genes in favor of idealogy
Vermin like you are one of the reasons why we can't have nice things.
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>>17439546
>THE MEXICA WERE NOT «JUNGLE FOLK»
>>17439480
>Valley of Mexico isn't a jungle environment.
Ok, TrOpIcaL & SuBtRoPiCaL cOniFeRoUs
FoReSt FoLk
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>>17439472

With slavery, everything is possible.

This' one of the darkest truths you'll never see it be admitted officially anywhere.
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>>17439472
Why? Being Mexican in this day and age is basically synonymous with working as a manual laborer and engaging in grotesque displays of fruitless violence. Is it really that much of a stretch of the imagination that these people could have built a temple complex dedicated to ritual sacrifice?
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>>17439482
They didn't. It was R1b leaders who were replaced by Arabs during the Islamic conquests.
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>>17441323
pls understand, I have become so comically racist that saying any group I dislike was able to make some pretty yet simple buildings would completely shatter my worldview, thus I must engage with cope by saying it was actually made by white arryan space aliens, followed by than arguing with some other retard like me except he claims it was black bantuu space aliens that made it
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>>17439581
Ethiopia was never colonized in its history and it is still synonymous with starving to death. Botswana by contrast WAS colonized and has done alright for itself (same being true of Singapore, Chile, and arguably coastal China). South Africa was a developed country 40 years ago, as was Zimbabwe.

There is nuance beyond purely racialist theories of development, but it doesn't prove the point that you're thinking it does.
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>>17441317
>>17441323
A large pool of inexpensive labor does not provide the social organization and engineering necessary for construction on that scale. Their buildings are also AESTHETIC, and labor alone doesn't do artistry.
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>>17441070
>>17439844
Cont:

The only sort of ""mud"" structure I can think of that's notable that has a potentially overly speculative restoration is the one exposed stone facade of the Great Pyramid of Cholula, but as I said, that is stone, and the only reason i'd call it "mud" is just because some of the inner structure of some construction phases of the pyramid used adobe brick, and those portions aren't exposed or restored because they would decay and have already deteriorated despite being buried so there's not enough info to really restore/reconstruct them with/form

As an example, this PDF https://www.redalyc.org/pdf/369/36906602.pdf shows some photos of Casa de la Cacica (the structure in >>17441070 I posted a pic of) before it's restoration and you can see that the restoration really only tidied it up and put some collapsed stonework back on the structure, in fact the less intact room on the left they didn't even restore the stone paneling despite the fact that they probably could since there's not really any doubt of what it would look like

TL;DR some restorations change stuff or take guesses but most of them are fine, and they certainly don't just make up the entire structure. The closest example to totally making stuff up would be like the restoration of the Santa Cecilia Acatitlán, which only had foundations remaining and even then they misinterpreted them, but even in that case the overall look is at least inspired by manuscript depictions and at least works as a generalized example of a generic Aztec pyramid even if it's not ness. accurate to the exact one it's meant to be a restoration of

>>17441317
Slaves weren't really used for physical labor or construction much in Aztec society, slaves were usually domestic servants. I'm not sure enough on it to say they were never used for large scale labor, but if it happened it wasn't typical. That being said, labor was something that could be demanded as taxes from subject states

2/?
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>>17441384
cont:

>>17441146
I talk about Quetzalcoatl having beards and being blond and what's up with that here (tho the thread 404'd before my last post):

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17404007/#17407659
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17404007/#17408218
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17404007/#17410229

tl;dr, the mesoamericans could grow facial hair, it was just usually only acceptable for the elderly and rulers, and Quetzalcoatl had the connotations of a wise older god. Gold as a color was a symbol of divinity/the sun and is used symbolically, as were different skin colors as >>17441177 mentions. Though impossible skin colors generally represented actual forms of body paint, which the gold hair might also mean considering that the Aztec did make a gold hair dye from the same plant they produced soaps from

3/3 for now
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You know these populations are just proving that subsaharans africans have no excuses to never have built any civilizations of a similar type.



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