If arhats can still feel physical pain (which is a type of dukkha, namely dukkha-dukkha), what is the point of nibbana?
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>>17446106Yeah dude like where the fuck is my freaking cheatcode????
>>17446106yea but when they die........
>>17446205Nibbana is supposed to happen still while in life. It's parinibbana that comes after death.
>>17446106To be in pain disturbed by it, and feeling the sensations and not disturbed by it is completely different anon. It's more of the acknowledge the pain, whilst you heed no mind nor focus your concious on it. I'd say similar to when you sit on a bench and watching the passerby or cars passing you, with you not keep your attentions after them when they are gone.
>>17446269But nirodha means end of dukkha. You seem to be talking about being able to just ignore the dukkha, which is not the claim of the Third Noble Truth.
>>17446318The Dao that can be told is not the Dao.Get there, and shit will make sense. Until then, it's useless chatter, it can't make sense, so don't focus on it.
>>17446335This thread is not about Daoism, anon.
>>17446318It's not ignore the dukkha, it is there. Yes nirodha means the end of dukkha. Thing is Arhats do not suffers the pains as we do. It is there they just acknowledge it. To clings or in possess of "self", then you still suffers or experiences the dukkhas, which is not the case for Arhats.
>>17446348Sometimes it applies all the same
>>17446335>Get there, and shit will make sense./thread
>>17446352If the dukkha ended, then how is it still there?
>>17446358This anti-language tendency of you is not very meaningful: you're using language and learned what you learned through language.
>>17446372Dukkhas is more of the state of being, while Samudhaya is the origins of Dukkhas, which through Nirodha, one can ends the Samudaya. As long as you live the dukkhas will remain (as in acknowledge the Dukkhas not living it for Arhats case) be it kayadukkhas or other kind of -dukkhas. The real ends come after parinibbana.
>>17446400Nirodha happens while in life, though. Are you denying that anyhow?
>>17446435Do you understand the relations of Nirodhas and Samudaya/ Dukkhas? Now I'm curious what kind of meaning do you have in minds when you means "end of Dukkhas"? Care to elaborate more anon?
>>17446443No problem. By nirodha I understand the cessation of the cause of suffering, which is craving/tanha (according to Buddhism). So like cutting a root of a tree, removing this cause would mean removing suffering too as a consequence. By end of dukkha I mean something very straightforward: the end or non-presence of suffering of any kind.
