>>18022135
You must understand, the "European balance of power" is more important than the integrity of the British empire!!

>>18022135
Who was Prime Minister of the UK on 3rd September 1939 anon?

>>18022135
I’m sure Hitler would never lie and invade British domains just like he hasn’t lied about 30 other promises

>>18022143
Since we have the luxury of hindsight, we now know that indeed, Hitler sought to avoid war with the British.

>>18022141
Why are stormtags like this, what do they even gain by blaming Churchill as opposed to Chamberlain? Are they aware of Daladier's existence?

>>18022135
empire was on its way out before ww2, ww1 already caused massive financial strain and administering these far away lands were very costly.

>>18022146
>sought to avoid war with the British
>did the thing Britain told him would inevitably lead to war
>still continued to do the thing even when offered an out
>Britain declares war
>surprised Pikachu

>>18022149
Because they are very very stupid and have only a paper thin knowledge of WW2 beyond memorising the number of rivets on a panzer 3 hull and dumping their folder of based holocaust memes.

>>18022154
That is correct, his gamble on Poland was a mistake. At the same time, we know he would not attack territory directly controlled by the British, since that would obviously lead to war, not even a gamble

>>18022153
>administering these far away lands were very costly
How? The Brits were looting the colonies dry, though?

>>18022161
It costs money to police, then you have goods you have to transport, those colonies needed alot of welfare

>>18022154
Hitler believed von Ribbentrop who was adamant that the British would not declare war. It was admittedly pretty dumb of Hitler, since von Ribbentrop already was considered an incompetent retard by his contemporary diplomats but Hitler still trusted him.

>>18022153
>ww1 already caused massive financial strain
Then keep that in mind and try not to go to war over Danzig, maybe?

I never understood why they broke the stresa front .

>>18022164
Ribbentrop had an IQ of 129 per the Nuremberg tests.
And he was able to draft this speech, which a lot of zoomies who are in university right now wouldn't even dare read from top to bottom: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_by_Joachim_von_Ribbentrop_to_diplomatic_and_press_representatives_in_Berlin_on_April_10,_1940,_explaining_the_German_invasion_of_Norway

Why are Anglo nationalists so saddened by the fact that they don't own India or Nigeria anymore?
I genuinely don't get it.
Empires are inherently globohomo.

>>18022166
So abandon their treaties and destroy all trust with the global world?

>>18022168
>supposed high iq
>commits blunders even a kindergarten student wouldn't make

>>18022176
Goes to show how what a fake stat IQ really is.

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>>18022172
The same reason any nationalist is saddened by the loss of their country's historic empire. They can no longer parasocially benefit from deriving their identity from the greatness and superiority of their nation, even if the Empire does not actually benefit them personally.

>>18022172
Which Anglo nationalists are saddened by the fact that they don't own India or Nigeria? Name names.

>>18022175
Germans and shitskins pretending to be Germans genuinely are baffled at the concept of doing something because your promised to do it, aren't they?

>>18022176
Kind of senseless to say "even a kindergarten student wouldn't make" because you wouldn't put a kid in charge of stately matters anyway

In WW1, it would have been possible for Germany to avoid war with the UK by refraining from invading Belgium or France, so it wasn't unreasonable to believe that the war could be circumscribed to the East in 1939 as well

>>18022186
Germans did the same thing in ww1, they sided with austria despite knowing the whole thing was shitshow.

>Muh French, British ultimatum!!
What if it was a big bluff, though.
Ribbentrop was justified in rolling the dice of gamble. When the stakes are this high, and in the big Statesmen leagues, one has to take oft epic gambles, the realms aren't forged by meek submissions, but outright vigorous enterprise.

>>18022187
Sorry for your diagnosis.

>>18022192
He rolled the dice and Germany reaped the whirlwind. Was it worth it anon?

>>18022182
Schopenhauer was a conservative who welcomed the Austrian military that had come to Frankfurt to quell the 1848 rebellion, and back then "nationalism" was an essentially left-wing movement where one would swear that they're only loyal to the people, not to the king or duke.
Look into the historical background behind the Deutschlandlied to learn more on the matter

>>18022193
Oh, petty insults, how fascinating.
Speaking of kindergarteners

>>18022187
>because you wouldn't put a kid in charge of stately matters anyway
Mussolini, Yammato, Goering, Himmler (as Army Command Vistula, I think) in early 1945, Semyon Budyonny.... The list is long.

>>18022192
>When the stakes are this high, and in the big Statesmen leagues, one has to take oft epic gambles, the realms aren't forged by meek submissions, but outright vigorous enterprise.
What a fucking retarded way of thinking.
When the stakes are this high, concerning the live of millions, don't you think absolute caution should be exercised?

>>18022198
interesting, but I think the quote is quite valid and broadly applicable today, even ignoring that context. If it is as you say then the quote is much more apt today than it was when he said it.

>>18022149
Churchill is their Emmanuel Goldstein.

>>18022200
Cry more and take your medication tismo cunt.

>>18022202
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Yes, corruption and nepotism exist, but political gambles do not equate to being intellectually impaired.
As a parenthesis, by the time Himmler was put in charge of military affairs, the war had long been lost.
And to go back to Ribbentrop, it's undeniable that a major contribution in Germany's defeat was the breach of that famous pact that he had every intention to see respect

>>18022204
If they (these millions of people in question) were actually good, they'd win; if not, they don't deserve the right to exist anyway and would be extinguished by the ruthless and harsh, but fair & just law of the survival of the fittest.

>>18022216
So the Nazis were bad because they lost. Got it.

>>18022212
>political gambles do not equate to being intellectually impaired.
>invade a mountainous country with few mountain troops and no engineers because your mountain troops and engineers are gearing up to invade a giant flat steppe
>you fight so poorly the people you're attacking push you back and invaded and occupy YOUR territory

>>18022168
you can have high IQ and still behave like a retard, especially if you are delusional like riben

>>18022210
Someone needs their nap

>>18022172
I honestly think it was for the best. If these countries were still under British rule they would have likely all received full citizenship by now. Count your blessings because that would make the immigration problems they have now look like Eden compared to that.

>>18022525
Someone needs to take their autism pills, troon out and 46% like the rest of you cunts.

>>18022571
There there *tucks you in*

>>18022579
Fucking hell you even type like a tismo.

Can somebody explain how exactly britain was supposed to keep the empire long term even if they’d avoided WW2 entirely?

>commonwealth nations like Canada, Australia and New Zealand were devolving into self governing territories regardless and would thus persue their own self interest
>regions like India were so massively populated it would be impossible to maintain control if the locals just decided they no longer wanted it (which is what happened)
>tech advances plus geopolitics meant modern guns would be available to countless rebels if britain tried to crack down

They couldn’t force Ireland to remain in the UK, but somehow its Churchill’s fault the British empire isn’t still around?

>>18022582
*kisses your forehead* so angery today

>>18022590
>tismo posting continues

>>18022585
>if the locals just decided they no longer wanted it
This is the point. The truth is all colonialism relies on at least some popular support and legitimacy, and having supreme power projection + economy fuels that support.
The British Empire was the top naval power in the world in the interwar period, but by 1945 its navy was destroyed(along with every other non-American navy) and its people were starving. And so the empire's legitimacy across its territories eroded.

>>18022595
Thanks for the update

>>18022598
This becomes a moot point regardless of whether they declared war against Germany

A) Japan was empire building in the pacific and would challenge British and French hegemony there

B) America was inevitable in its rise as a global military superpower and ideologically opposed the European empires existence and encouraged free trade over protectionist empires

C) rise of communism in the Soviet Union and later China created endless support for nationalist uprisings. Even if the nationalists aren’t exactly commies, they will take what support they can get, like the Vietnamese rebels

Regardless of whether britain actually weakened, the rise of other strong players made the pax Britannica no longer viable.

Likewise, in a really long term way of looking at things. The British political identity was not conducive to endless subjugation

Just look at every one of the major independence leaders. They were all educated in London universities, paid for by the British.

If Britain denied higher education to all colonial subjects and just tried to treat them like cattle they’d have lasted longer. But that was genuinely not in the British character. They genuinely sought to uplift regions as they saw it.

Part of this is inevitability leading to self rule (although even those at the time who thought this would have preferred they all remain in an actual meaningful commonwealth of integrated economies and militaries etc)

>>18022620
I would say even when we assume Pax Britannica was coming to an end, it would have been better for Britain to avoid war. This way they would still have a navy, and not starve.
Of course they didn't have the luxury of hindsight like we have. We know Hitler didn't want war with the west, but they didn't, so to them declaring war on Germany had as much to do with defending their own backyard as their imperial aspirations.

>>18022172
They aren't, these people aren't British.
>>18022559
That was already the case during the empire, all people born within it's and the wider commonwealths borders were full British citizens, at least until Harold Wilson changed the law. This wasn't a new thing, but had been the considered the case since the start of the empire

>>18022630
Having a navy isn’t as useful as you’d think given you need to be able to supply it and replace it entirely every 10-15 years just to keep up with others

Likewise, after WW1 and the sacrifices British people made they demanded much more democracy. Part of this leads to demanding more welfare which means less money for military stuff

>>18022172
I’ve never talked to a single British person who cared. Seems to mainly be butthurt mainland Europeans with an inferiority complex

>>18022638
>Having a navy isn’t as useful as you’d think given you need to be able to supply it and replace it entirely every 10-15 years just to keep up with others
It would also keep you from being an American vassal
>>18022638
>Likewise, after WW1 and the sacrifices British people made they demanded much more democracy. Part of this leads to demanding more welfare which means less money for military stuff
Which lead to the Washington Naval Treaty, enabling conservative military spending while keeping Britain as a top dog. Did Japan eventually break off? Yes, but it brought 10 years of essentially frozen naval classes.

>>18022630
>This way they would still have a navy
They still have a navy, the 4th largest in the world (3rd when you remember half the russian navy is rusted to death)
>and not starve
Britain didn't starve. Even with rationing the average calorie intake was higher than the average continental pre war standard.
>We know Hitler didn't want war with the west
We know Hitler wanted war with France, and he fantasised about war with the USA.
>had as much to do with defending their own backyard
What's the problem with that?

>>18022643
True, but good luck convincing the British voters to not get healthcare and housing because the alternative is being an american vassal which would lead to largely keeping the same foreign policy anyway

>>18022630
For a guy who didn’t want war with the west it’s odd he did the one thing they told him not to do because it would lead to war with the west

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>>18022652
nazis are thugs so they have a criminal mindest
When you want to rob a bank or kill someone you don't want to go to the war with Police, you just want to do your thing, nazis were thinking similary

>>18022647
We live in 2025 where naval powers aren't as critical as back then. In reality the UK's only imposing threat today is their nukes. This applies to France too.
>Britain didn't starve. Even with rationing the average calorie intake was higher than the average continental pre war standard.
Post-war conditions had a profound impact on British society. They worship food banks to this day
>We know Hitler wanted war with France, and he fantasised about war with the USA.
We know Hitler's agenda was specifically about avoiding war with the west.
>What's the problem with that?
None, I defend their motivations due to their lack of hindsight
>>18022652
People lie. Putin has been saying we're on the brink of nuclear war for 11 years now.
Hitler gambled and got it wrong.

>>18022659
>We live in 2025 where naval powers aren't as critical as back then.
Naval power is beyond critical retard. The majority of trade is conducted by sea and international communication is dependent on a number of undersea cables.
>the UK's only imposing threat today is their nukes. This applies to France too
Half agree, but only because nukes blow everything else out of the water. The UK and France still both have the capability to act worldwide, which puts them far above most countries. They're only weak when compared to the US or China.
>Post-war conditions had a profound impact on British society. They worship food banks to this day
an absurd claim
>We know Hitler's agenda was specifically about avoiding war with the west.
Yes, the east was his focus. But he still talked about recovering Lorraine and even making a protectorate of the Netherlands in his speeches. Sooner or later it would come around.

>>18022135
War is expensive and wasteful. It's almost as if we should avoid it at all costs.

>>18022669
It’s so bizarre to me that people take hitlers word that he wouldn’t turn on the western powers once he’d conquered the east and thus turned Germany into a superpower with the resources to rival America.

All they’d do is build up for a decade or two, why the fuck would their militaristic society that worships conquest not keep going from there?

This is even ignoring their actual allies like Italy and Japan getting them pulled into entanglements when they would want to build up their own empires by picking apart France and Britains

>>18022669
Britain's navy could disappear tomorrow and nothing would change in the world.

>>18022149
>>18022141
Why is Tony Blair directing British Politics without holding formal office?
>>18022143
>>18022154
But Hitler didnt lie about anything.
>when offered an out
Hitler offered to withdraw all German forces from everywhere but Danzig, Britain declined.
The British leadership had been, just like they are today, and like the Americans are as well, lobbied by organized jewry such as samuel untermeyer and henry strakosh.
organized jewry wanted the war, they were working tirelessly according to their own words to drag the democracies into war with Germany.

We KNOW this happened.
Read Hiltons 'Imperial Obituary".
It was the jews in a way that /pol/ could hardly imagine, jews used WWII to dismantle the British Empire, Defeat Liberated Germany, and contain the anti-Trotskyist USSR, while also enriching their assets in America, Ze'ev Jabotinsky relates this to his confidants.
The sixth Rebbe which no one even talks about says the exact same thing but also admits Hitler is the most moral of all the gentile leaders (he said this in 1945 btw).

>>18022153
>empire was on its way out before ww2
Nope. That was never the case. The British Empire was being dismantled from the inside and WWII is what lead to its final dismemberment, it was not only preventable but recoverable.
There wasnt actually any grass roots organized anti-British movement anywhere.
less than 5% of Indians wanted independence, the selling off of assets to America during both wars was completely preventable, but the usual suspects were behind it, the same is true for the shipping away of British gold to America and Russia.

>>18022843
why do you want to live in one country with 2 billion indians so badly

>>18022175
>abandon their treaties
treaties?
You mean the 1 treaty they had with Poland which they broke anyway LOL?
>trust
trust? What trust? Where is the word "trust" used once?
>global world
What does this even mean? That global dynamics run on trust and not on guns and ships?
laughable.
>no trust me bro the world is neoliberal at heart
yeah, and Ukraine is going to win running solely on happy thoughts from xitterxisters and not on military assets.

You arent arguing in good faith.
You cant argue in good faith because any reasonable person can see it was pants on head retarded for Britian to go to war and then the logical step thereafter is to ask why? That leads to the discovery of excessive jewish influence in both Britian and America using similar tactics to what we see today.

This will lead to people saying "hmmm maybe Hitler isnt all that bad actually" and then you wont get your trannypills or black people get enslaved (again) or the world will see poles as weak and stupid demi-oinkroids and israel will vanish o algo.
Whatever it is, youre right to be afraid but all your scheming is useless.
After the past two years everyone is wise to jewish tricks, sees slavs as subhumans, and realized there is something weird going on with the narrative about Hitler.

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>>18022851
Because most neonazis have a crippling porn addiction and interracial fetish

>>18022851
because if my people run that country we can keep the indians in India instead of having jewish suzerains import them directly into my house.

>>18022860
we crushed nazis because they were weak
only a retard wouldn't strike down a weak enemy

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>>18022864
>wtf I want to fuck spiders now
its always nice to see a leftist (2015) narrative.
reminds me of my youth and that tiki torch rally. Where did it all go wrong?

>>18022865
why do you love Indians and Africans so badly that you want to deal with their affairs for the rest of eternity

>>18022868
No you didnt, The Nazis humiliated you.
Lines on a map are your only consolation prize.
like a PDX map gamer you live vicariously through lines on a map.
>so what if they ended countless bloodlines of my people, the map color changed
there is something admirable in this level of autism but its absolutely humiliating to be on the receiving end of a German KDR and lines on a map arent actually.
dead bodies are real.
map colors are abstractions.

>>18022869
>Where did it all go wrong?
neonazis are thugs so you can't really expected them to not sperg out, that's why there are no more marches of fat amerimutts hailing swastikas flag

>>18022872
because White people are a higher order race and have a duty to the rest of Humanity to govern them and lead them in the right direction.
Whites are the master-race no? Whites are therefore the most loving race no?

Do you agree, Whites love non-Whites and that is why we must rule them?

>>18022724
The American MIC would be ready to support Britain in rebuilding its navy.
They would be very happy.

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>>18022876
>The Nazis humiliated you.
well it was pretty embarrassing but for them

>>18022879
what if I just like my country and don't care about flying to Delhi and sucking Indian cocks like you

>>18022878
>yale graduates are thugs
Why are Nazi Thugs so well educated and well spoken?
These Nazis must have been superhuman if their thugs are competing with the American upper class for power in the Ivies.

Where are you from btw? Poland? where AIDs is more common, where HDI is lower, where half your country shits outside like pajeets?
must be an R1a thing.

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>>18022882
What's embarrassing?
They killed 55m people who would have otherwise celebrated the deaths of women and children?
Isnt that a good thing?

The Nazis are the Spartans and Trojans of the modern world.
fighting a war that far surpasses the Iliad.
A more Heroic race does not exist.
>>18022884
>Whites should segregate from non-Whites
>slavnik immediately hypothesizes a way to suck non-White pp

Its getting a little crazy out there.
But anyway Hitler was right, Poles are irredeemable if they see segregation as le bad because they cant have relations with browns.

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>>18022886
In which univeristies those doctors and scientist are giving lessons?

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>>18022890
this is sparta!!

>>18022891
University of Buckingham

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>>18022894
no, This is.

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>>18022897
wow, those nazis are scary...

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>>18022895
field of study
>gang wars
>meth dealing

>>18022898
>Poland lost to this in 35 days
>It took the rest of the planet half a decade to defeat this

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>>18022902
>wehrmacht war machine
wtf
where are flying ufos and giant robot hitlers

>>18022140
>the balance of power is when Europe descends into irrelevance and its people are wiped out
wtf

>>18022890
why do you want to live with Indians so much
just fly there and start a business, you will do your poor mother a favor

>>18022906
He beat you man. You were the first to derail into schizo territory.

>>18022916
>live with Indians
Quote where anyone said this.

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>>18022919
>invade USSR with HORSES
kek, literally poland but with more population

>>18022914
Yes you see, as long as Britain's rivals get screwed, Britain is happy, that is the "European balance of power".

>>18022922
no you don't get it, screw europe WE NEED AFRICANS AND INDIANS

>>18022920
you still didn't answer why are you so obsesed with Indians

>>18022921
they had some tanks that they stole from Czech and French tho

>>18022146
>since we have the luxury of hindsight
Actual retard detected

>>18022191
>>18022186
>When Germany proxy aggros France through Algeria/Marocco its fine in early 1900s
>When Germany wants a repeat of 1871 through the Serbia/Austria debacle it's fine
>AIIEEE ETERNAL ANGLOS KYS FAGGOTS HOW DARE YOU HELP POLAND!
>WE WUZ GONNA STOP BOLSHEVIKS AND SHEIT!
>Ignore out treaty with them btw!

>>18022921
>>18022931
Germany actually managed to defeat other countries with horse and cart.
Poland couldnt even defeat Danzig a city-state.

>>18023143
>its fine
who are you quoting?
no one said this.
Germany should have stood with France over the Morocco crisis.
>Germany should side against Austria
why? This is silly.
>repeat of 1871
no one wanted this.
The Germans tried to chill diplomatic tensions but everyone else wanted a war in particular Russia and France.
>Anglos and poles
Yeah, Why did they make a treaty with poles only to break it?
England didnt protect the territorial integrity of Poland nor did they declare war on Poland's enemies.

>>18023175
>at least we conquered denmark o algo

>>18023183
England didn't break the treaty, they promised to protect them from Germans and did just that

>>18023189
>yeah we had a super secret clause that said the treaty only applies to germany and we only revealed it after the war ended have fun on the eastern bloc

>>18023191
>nuhu didn't happen!
yawn

>>18023184
and France, and Poland, and Norway, and Yugroidia, and Belarus, and Ukraine, and The Netherlands, and Belgium.
But yeah Denmark too, all with horse and cart like actual Aryans.
>>18023189
nope. They promised military support and delivered: none!
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
They promised to protect Poland's territorial integrity.
Not only did Poland get invaded by the USSR, an avowed ALLY of Britian with a mutual assistance treaty, but Poland LOST more land than Germany post-war.

He wasn't even PM when UK declared war on Germany.

Yet another stormfag thread where they irrationally blame Churchill for everything because they're mad their "superior race" lost WW2 to "inferiors".

>>18023197
>nope. They promised military support
And they declare war on Germany and attacked them on air and sea
>b-but why didn't they magicaly teleport 2 million soldiers to Poland
retard

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>>18023197
why didn't they win like actual Aryans

>>18023200
PM doesnt just declare wars. Learn how British politics actually works.
The same thing you accuse chuds of, you do.
>irrationally blame Churchill
what's irrational? Churchill himself said he lead the war movement in his memoirs.
>>18023201
>they declare
that isnt what they promised.
They promised to protect the integrity of Poland.
They failed to do so.
They promised military support.
they gave none and their command even said "we can not make this treaty because we have no ability to project power into Poland"
They promised to declare war on the enemies of Poland, they didnt, they declared war on Germany not the USSR.
>magically teleport
yeah, retard, they said they would magically teleport to Poland using the mysterious wizardry of the British fleet, and then... they didnt.
thanks for playing Pidor, how's that Article 5 coming again?
Hitler was right about Poles.

Britain not only broke their treaty with Poland they knowingly made the treaty with the intention of breaking it, using Poland as a fall-guy to declare war on Germany and only Germany, not to actually do anything to benefit Poland, Poland also lost MORE land than Germany post war LOOOOL

What's that kissnigger quote?
Being an enemy of the jews is dangerous, being a friend of the jews is fatal.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>18022925
That's pretty much their plan

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>>18022156
kek

>>18022216
Here's a tip, if you want to sell the Hitler-apologist narrative, try not to sound like an average crazy nazi...

>>18022598
Man just shut the fuck up. This is the most ignorant take I've ever read on the causes of de-colonialism. You literally made that shit up on the spot.

Also, the royal navy literally increased on size during the war, not that it matters because it's not even relevant you fucking retard.

Why are people so fucking lost on the causes of de-colonialism. Do you have learning disabilities?

>>18022598
>British people
>starving in 1945
What parallel universe is this?

>>18022146
literally this. only jews and retards will disagree

>>18022860
Dear god what a retarded meltdown, why come to this board when you are just going to talk about absolute nonsense that doesn't relate to the topic.

>>18022135
WW1 and 2 started because of colonial envy. The post war project was just an attempt to centralise the capitalist control to individuals rather than states so Germany wouldn't act up again

>>18023411
.....what does the assasination of franz which caused the war have anything to do with colonies

>>18023422
Anon any history teacher in the world will instantly fail you if you say that the assassination was the sole cause for ww1.

>>18023422
That was the justification not the motivation. What colonies did Germany have?

>>18023441
Never said it was the sole cause, but it sure wasn't fucking colonies. There was no defense pacts triggered cause a colony got invaded.

>>18023443
>That was the justification not the motivation
It was indeed the motivation. You cannot even prove otherwise.

>>18023447
Colonial friction was absolutely one if the causes you moron.

>>18023486
No it wasn't. The July Crisis had absolutely nothing to do with colonies. Like i said, you cannot even prove it.

>>18022836
>duuuude trust me! I know I’ve betrayed all signed deals
/contracts before but this time I mean it! I just want peace!

>>18022836
>Ex-PM is the same as disgraced backbencher
The fucking state of this shithole.
>Britain declined
Citation badly needed.

>>18022925
Britain didn't just lose Africa and India but also Cyprus in addition to China's Hong Kong and of course the superpower title to Putin especially now that NATO is going to be completely dissolved due to Gavin Newsom and Benjamin Netanyahu who'll lead America into a new civil war that President Trump unlike Lincoln won't be able to handle

>>18023497
Again, if you think the assassination was the sole cause of ww1, then you've failed basic history class
>inb4 I never said it was the sole cause reeee
You just cited the July crisis, which happened because of the assassination. You dense moron. Clearly you believe it was the sole cause.

>>18022183
>>18022636
>>18022642
Ever heard of transferred nationalism?
This is exactly it.
I doubt OP is British, but Britain and the British Empire are his adopted homeland who he will white knight until he adopts some other homeland.

>>18024607
>asked to name names
>doesn't
I accept your concession.

>>18022192
>when the stakes are high and millions of lives hang in the balance, you should gamble against the sure bet that war will break out over Poland so that you can map paint your ebin GROSSEGERMANIVM and end up getting the best of a generation killed resulting in your country getting split in half

>>18024607
Doubt it, OP and his ilk probably don't give one jot about the British empire. They're not angry it fell, they're angry Germany was defeated.
>>18023831
Russia isn't a superpower Pyotr

>>18022168
>At the same time, Ribbentrop took to shouting at the Turkish Ambassador in Berlin, Mehemet Hamdi Arpag, as part of the effort to win Turkey over as a German ally. Ribbentrop believed that Turks were so stupid that one had to shout at them to make them understand. One of the consequences of Ribbentrop's heavyhanded behaviour was the signing of the Anglo-Turkish alliance on 12 May 1939.

>>18023360
By the time West Germany was on its feet and didn't need to ration food, Britain was still rationing.

>>18023905
>You just cited the July crisis
Its almost like its the most important event. You are coping at this point.

>>18022598
Britain's navy wasn't destroyed, in fact it expanded greatly during ww2.
The navy was voluntarily mothballed twice, once in ww1 and then in ww2, there were no conspiracy and great war-time destruction of the fleet
The simple fact is that the British economy can't handle it anymore and has been broke since the Depression. Britain was simply living far above its means, to not let go of the shiny battleships and colonies would mean bankruptcies and mass unemployment

>>18024671
You think rationing is the same as starving?

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>>18024671
Retard
Energy wise the average Briton actually ate better during the war during rationing than before it, and certainly better than the average German. Rationing continued after the war because the socialist government wanted to prevent rich people buying up all the good stuff for themselves.
West Germany meanwhile DID have food shortages, they just weren't rationed. By comparison east Germany kept up rationing until the 60s.

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>>18024653
Everyone knows that the two World Wars were connected to each other as if they were a single war with a ceasefire of 2 decades so take a look at Britian and Russia and then tell me that you can't see the equilibrium changing in Putin's favor

>>18024653
>Doubt it, OP and his ilk probably don't give one jot about the British empire. They're not angry it fell, they're angry Germany was defeated.
Just like Oppenheimer wasn't angry the nukes were used, he was angry they weren't used on Germans.

>>18024784
>the two World Wars were connected to each other as if they were a single war
Midwit opinion.
>you can't see the equilibrium changing in Putin's favor
Both have declined, neither are superpowers retard. However in all aspects aside from land area the UK is better off than Russia.

>>18024794
half the players switched sides.

>>18024677
Im not the one who fail my history rests. You are.
Any history teacher in the world would give you an instant fail if you name the assassination as the sole cause moron.

Just shut up, you're embarrassing. This is literally normie-tier history that ww1 happened due to multiple underlying causes.

Learn basic history before posting here.

>>18024647
>so that you can map paint your ebin GROSSEGERMANIVM
yes.
It was Germanys chance to become a world power and to lead the white race into a new future. It was a worthy gamble

>>18024871
>2025
>still pretending Hitler gave a fuck about American racial terminology

>>18024874
Maybe Hitler didn't, but all the non-whites sure as hell do, so treat it with some respect yourself if you have your survival instincts intact.

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>>18022135
I know you are the one behind this post, Zoomer Historian.
At this point i think your nazi ideology exist only to justify your autistic hatred for Churchill

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>>18022876
Kek this guy is fucking based

>>18022141
>>18022149
not /pol/ but Churchill was an unapologetic war hawk railing against Germany for years and the only reason he didn't run for Prime Minister was because no major party wanted to mobilize and enforce Versailles or go to war over Czechoslovakia or any of Hitler's antics until Poland

>>18024916
Yes then they came back crawling to daddy churchil plz use your radio broadcasting power to save civilization from Adolf the frustated ikea painter

>we'll fight on the beaches for trans rights

>>18024790
>>18024794
Russia has more nukes than Britain so the only other potential superpower is the United States which will move 2 centuries backwards as soon as the 2nd civil war begins and yes Putin stood the test of time he's the only early modern empire that survived and rebounded unlike Ottomans Austria-Hungary and Germany not even China and India have ever succeeded at reclaiming Taiwan and Pakistan respectively yet and the only thing that Britain could do is fully support Trump and Netanyahu at destroying Iran in order to get a precentage of it's oil supply which is what they already had until the 70s when their poverty became worse than Russia's at any point in it's thousand year history and it still is just as bad that's the reason why Andrew Tate's almost guaranteed certain victory as the favorite candidate who's expected to be the country's next Prime Minister according to many predictions

>>18024925
That's crazy bro

>>18024916
That's nice. Who was Prime Minister on 3rd September 1939?

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>>18022890
This guy gets it.
>>18022897
>>18023197
Based and true.
>>18023316
Again true.
>>18024888
Retard. The British have been debating churchill's war since 1945. Zoomer historian just tells the history from the more accurate perspective. Faggots like you pretend that the British establishment actually told the truth about world war two when in fact almost every history department lies or omits large swathes of facts about this era.

With them being over run by foreigners now, can we start calling them black and tans again?

>>18024919
Getting their shit pushed in so easily terrified the establishment. So they picked churchill. Churchill never won a general election. He's a picked man.
>>18024930
Chamberlain. Why what does this demonstrate?

>>18024939
>He's a picked man.
Well he was certainly better as a motivating figurehead than as head of the navy

>>18024939
That Churchill didn't declare war and OP is therefore a cunt. You may now seethe.

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>>18024941
He wasn't motivating. The British people were uninterested in the war and opposed it. That only began to change when bombs started landing on cities, a feature that the British military started against Germany.

Ww2 is a massive obfuscation therefore the great heart of the obfuscation is in the United kingdom. It's been schizophrenic ever since.

>>18024944
Chamberlain declaring war was churchill's dream. No man denies this war is what churchill demanded. David Irving didn't write a book called Chamberlain's war.

>>18024952
His dream or his inevitable warning?

>>18024954
He demanded Britain take the strongest possible position I.e declare war. Then when they get btfo'd on the French plains in a panic they rely on him. All politics usually eventually goes to the most extreme voice of a position. Churchill as well as the entire establishment had many options in dealing with Hitler. They chose to ignore all peace offers and declare war.

>>18024970
Describe these peace offers?

>>18024952
While it's true that Chamberlain dithered, and had to be convinced by his cabinet to declare war even as German tanks drove into Poland, Churchill had nothing to do with this, he was just a mere backbenchers at the time.
>No man denies this war is what churchill demanded.
But all will point out he was simply one of many.
>>18024970
>They chose to ignore all peace offers and declare war.
You've got confused, you're describing Hitler here.

>empire in decline
>see and hear germany start to prepare for a major expansion to the east
>oy vey no, not muh balance of power
>we Europeans must all decline together, sobbing over muh great war
>the west has fallen

>>18024981
Hitler's numerous offers to the uk are described by Udo Walendy, AJP Taylor and a range of history authors.
>>18024990
Churchill was the leader of this pack being a long time war hawk and senior tory mp.

Which peace offers did Hitler ignore?

>>18025008
British are spiritual faggots. This stems from their protestant heritage.

>balancing the powers of Europe is done by giving half of Europe to Judeo-Bolsheviks and the other half to Mutts
I am not familiar with this equation.

>>18024930
>>18024944
No one said Churchill declared war.
The OP said Churchill started the war and Churchill was indeed a necessary figure in pushing Britian to war.
PM isnt a dictator :)

>>18025008
>Noooooooo you need to let Germany genocide millions of Europeans in order to save Europe!
>>18025014
>Churchill was the leader of this pack
He was an unknown and a relic of the past until the Germans marched into Prague.
>Which peace offers did Hitler ignore?
The one on the 28th of August 1939, where Britain offered to organise another Munich like conference to sort out any problems between Germany and Poland.
The one Britain sent on the 3rd of September 1939, where they politely asked Germany to leave the borders of Poland, but accepted the annexation of the free city of Danzig.
>This stems from their protestant heritage.
Should we tell him?

>>18025029
>Churchill started the war
How is Churchill responsible for Germany unjustly attacking Poland?

>>18025026
Always good to hear your opinion General Hindsight

>>18025043
Genocide who?

Churchill wasn't United unknown dufus he was running operations in world war one. Gallipoli remember?

Hitler didn't ignore the British interjection on the 28th he presented in response the final offer the very next day.

Hitler didn't ignore that Sept 3rd response either. He responded in October that he was willing to withdraw for a wide ranging security pact.
What exactly is your problem here?

Yes you should tell him.

>>18025055
That's not hindsight. Hitler predicted that outcome in 1920.

>>18025050
The war didnt start with Germany attacking Poland, it started with Poland invading Danzig.
Churchill is responsible for England's intervention in the war, being the leading figure of the pro-war movement.

>>18025073
>it started with Poland invading Danzig.
Never happened.
>Churchill is responsible for England's intervention in the war
He wasn't in power when the war started.
>being the leading figure of the pro-war movement.
He didn't have the final say.

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>>18025067
>Genocide who?
The Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Balts. Plus the mass killings of those who disagreed with the Nazis politically, had a particular religion, such as the Jehovah witnesses. People they considered of having antisocial behaviour, cripples and whatnot.
>Churchill wasn't United unknown
He was in 1938, that was 20 years ago. Would you consider Al Gore to be at the frontline of American politics today?
>Hitler didn't ignore the British interjection on the 28th he presented in response the final offer the very next day.
Yes, a refusal. He already had his mind set on war.
>Hitler didn't ignore that Sept 3rd response either. He responded in October
So he ignored it for a month then?
>that he was willing to withdraw
But not from all of Poland as had been requested.
>Yes you should tell him
Pic related

>>18025073
>Poland invading Danzig.
To which Poland immediately reversed its decision and pulled out the troops and apologized. How is it reasonable to invade a nation over this trivial matter? Also why was Germany involved anyway they had 0 jurisdiction over Danzig.

>>18025319
Nope. Poland did not remove their troops. They had their troops actively in Danzig when the Germans arrived which is why the Germans captured way more than 88 men and the Germans encountered heavy resistance from fortified positions (a violation) and heavy weapons (another violation).
Why does Poland need anti tank guns and machine guns in a post office?
They don’t. Poland was muscling their way into Danzig without even a formal declaration of war or intention.
Germany guaranteed the independence of Danzig and I don’t know this yet but I suspect German intelligence was in contact with the Danzig security forces and they saw Polish soldiers moving men and materiel into Danzig in late August and this is what caused Hitler, already hesitant and considering calling it off totally, to pull the trigger on Poland.
You seem to think Poland withdrew. I imagine you are referring to the 1933 scandal? I am talking about in 1939 when tensions were high already and Poland felt secure in their position they began to move soldiers into Danzig at some point before the Germans declared war. The first fighting took place between Danzig’s security forces and Polish soldiers in the Post Office and on the Westerplatte.

>>18024871
Germany was already a world power retard, fuck even modern Germany is leading Europe after getting assfucked during the Cold War. It was a large, highly populated, highly developed country in the center of the only continent that matters; it could have won on the economic game alone. Giving junkers and high ranking party members nice estates in the East was wholly unnecessary.

>>18025507
Thank you anon. Do you have more details on this initial fighting in danzig? Always been interested in this action.

>>18025530
British and Soviet and French policy both internal and external was wholly unnecessary.

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>>18024925
>>18025530
Agree Germany has always been a world power since Frederick the Great but Adolf Hitler ruined everything for his nation's future since it was because of him that it wasn't allowed to have a single nuke for any of the 80 years that passed since his humilitating defeat he didn't just weaken his economy that would eventually recover by the end of the Cold War he also lost many Weimar Republic territories to Poland even though they're still culturally aligned with Germany and would probably still want to reunite with their ancient homeland if a referendum was ever allowed to be held as proven by 21st century election results. But for reclaiming Bismarck's glory there are 2 things needed to be done: give lots of advanced military equipment that Germany produces to Turkey in order to permanently dissolve NATO through Greece a traditional ally of fellow Eastern Orthodox countries Russia and Serbia who never were considered for membership since 1952 and get nukes that Erdogan possesses through Pakistan Cuba and potentially even Israel due to Assad's downfall in Syria. Without nukes Germany will always be overshadowed by old rivals Britain and France on an unprecedented scale not even the Ancient Roman Empire under Julius Caesar back when it hadn't yet lost to picrel would mog Germany that hard. As for Russia the last chance to dethrone it from officially being the world's biggest superpower was OP Churchill he even parially admitted it with his desperate Operation Unthinkable plans that he proposed when Japan was still at war as the last remaining Axis power

>>18025507
It has more to do with trying to bypass restrictions.
Germany was doing the exact same thing with Versailles. It disguised multiple military project as purely civil matters. Bomb planes were disguised as postal planes, and tank production was dusguised as Soviet manufacturing,

Both Poland and Germany tried to bend the rules for a percieved coming conflict.

>>18025582
>muh nukes
Like the faggot you are you’re looking at ww2 from the late 20th to early 21st century perspective. Why would anyone do that unless they seriously need to dilate their gaping surgical wound.

>>18025587
Germany bypassed the unfair Versailles that no one voted for in order to defend itself. What were polish troops doing in Danzig against the city security forces?
Defending what?

>>18024835
I like how all you do is repeat yourself because you know you have no argument.

>>18025596
>to defend itself
Lol what a load of shit, Hitler had full intention of invading poland, even if the danzig stuff never happened, Hitler was going to war.

>>18025596
Well Poland was given jurisdiction over Danzig by the LoN they had every right to send troops in the case of an emergency.

>>18025641
Israel was given jurisdiction over Palestine by the UN they have every right to occupy it :-)

>>18025596
It doesnt really matter. The key point is that both sides attempted to bypass restrictions to the best of their abilities to safeguard their national interests.

Ultimately Hitlers casus beli was the German minority being supposedly massacred in Poland, not Westerplatte and not the postal office.
The minority massacre was that German media was spinning, and it was what Hitler spoke of every time he met with the British delegation or made a public statement on the crisis.

>>18022172
>Empires are inherently globohomo.
retard

>>18025663
none of that is true.

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>>18025626
> Hitler had full intention of invading poland, even if the danzig stuff never happened

Go ahead. Show your work faggot.

>>18025641
What emergency? Danzig already had security forces Poland could work with instead of fighting. They got all this land from Versailles for doing nothing in the war and they still bitched and then killed women and children. Read Udo Walendy.

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>>18025582
>>18025909
Hitler was 100% Greek confirmed by AI

>>18025909
Went over this in another thread about you danzig dolts >>18025856

In addition to that, this what Hitler said a week before the invasion of poland, "I will provide a propagandistic casus belli. Its credibility doesn't matter. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth".

>>18025921
>>18025921
How dare you, you have baited me into apoplexy.

>>18025925
>>18025856
Quotes unsourced are dismissed. People lie about nazis 24/7.
Numerous countries existed to the east. Hitler wanted a german sphere of interest yes, and negotiated with the USSR to achieve that whereby germany would have sway over close nations and especially ethnically close nations as per the past 300 years. The Soviets refused this agreement and invaded all these areas while the Poles agitated against Germans. Hitler suspected that commies would do this and Poles without a based military leader with a sense of honour like Pilsudski, would also do this.

>>18022135
Funnily enough, today no one in the UK, not even high Tories, spend their time elevating Churchill.

>>18025958
Here are the sources,
Hermann Graml: Europas Weg in den Krieg. Hitler und die Mächte 1939. Oldenbourg Verlag, München 1990.

Klaus Hildebrand (ed): 1939. An der Schwelle zum Weltkrieg, Berlin 1990.

Rolf-Dieter Müller: Der Feind steht im Osten. Hitlers geheime Pläne für einen Krieg gegen die Sowjetunion im Jahr 1939, Berlin 2011.

Gerhard L. Weinberg: Hitler's foreign policy. The road to World War II, 1933–1939, New York 2005.

>>18025961
Because it's the norm to hate Churchill. Leftists absolutely do.

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>>18025921
>>18025961
>high tories
Did you ever wonder why?

>>18025963
>I will provide a propagandistic casus belli. Its credibility doesn't matter. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth

LMAO is this in some Hitler speech or official policy document?

Hitler already had numerous casus belli and even declared that Britain and France had already torn up their agreement with germany in 36.

>>18025641
No, they didn’t. In fact the LoN regulations around polish Danzig relations explicitly state they can NOT send soldiers into Danzig.

>>18026850
Germany had left LoN.
It's a bit absurd to complain that Poland breaks LoN laws when Germany did not even subscribe to them in the first place, and then argue this as a justification for war.

>>18025558
Both Soviet and French policy were wholly necessary because they were specifically on Hitler's shitlist, dumbfuck.

>>18026985
It’s more so that Poland violating the LoN treaty was clearly throwing out former treaties in an attempt to bolster their national security, this is antagonistic in the way that stacking soldiers on a border is, when Poland actually went into Danzig that was it and the Germans, I think in contact with the Danzig security forces, declared seeing German intervention as a now or never.

>>18026989
>>18026989
>Hitler was on France’s radar in 1923
????

>>18027140
You're missing the point.
Danzig was a LoN city, and Poland was restricted by LoN.
Poland violated LoN when they were circumventing restrictions.

Germany had left LoN so they did not adhere to any LoN regulations, so why should they be policing LoN?

Poland also couldn't give Germany Danzig because the LoN Danzig commission had the final say in the city. Hitler merely wanted Polands approval and after that he would likely just have seized Danzig from LoN because Germany did not adhere to their treaties and regulations, and he woyld rightly assume that LoN wouldn't resist.