I saw a reply to my comment in another thread but was regrettably too late to respond to it.>>18288102Context:>It can get kinda messy, but essentially one half of the main divine pairing. Includes most entities that are lost to waters or rivers, or related to wine, including Varuna (despite the fact that he is equated to Mithras instead, perhaps Mithras' bridegroom), Ganymede, Hyacinth, potentially Castor, among others.I think it's less that they are the same person and more that the principles are shared because of simply what purpose religious rites and mystery rites serve.>But also people having too much power in their hands to mess around with them and botch them.>>Like Elagabalus is an example that gets thrown around and I see it as a botched and corrupted version of what could have been, assuming its not an actual separate entity/god/force. (It could be if at some point during the cataclysm other competitive forces were around, but that would be creative writing right now that I don't want to engage in).>>When I say separate, I mean like a bad mimic. Which also makes sense because in this earth there are many animals that tend to use those techniques of mimicking for the sake of being predatory and such so it's probably sourced from something>>When I say corrupted I don't want to mean like, its le evil, but literally ruined in the way someone fucking up a recipe by switching around ingredients or the logisticsI'll post my response in a follow up comment.
>>18292982This got me thinking... what if Ammon Hillman's research is somehow into the Emesan dynasty and their candidate for messianism. Perhaps the gospels were written about the Emesan guy (something like Gaius Julius Azizus), and it's from this house that we later get Elgabalus, possibly more deranged than his ancestors.Conversely, we have Paul the Apostle in Rome who is actually Apollonius of Tyana, who is actually the son of a major priestess and king in Cappadocia. That explains how Paul's philosophy brings us closer to Zoroastrianism, and the gospels of Emesa bring us closer to this ethnic tradition of Syria.
>>18292983Another juicy tidbit:>Sohaemus might be married to Drusilla, great-granddaughter of Cleopatra VII. His son, possibly by Drusilla, was Gaius Julius Alexio, also known as Alexio II. When Sohaemus died, he was buried in the tomb of his ancestors at Emesa and was succeeded by his son. Through his son, Sohaemus would have various descendants ruling on the Emesene throne and among those who claimed from his family's ancestry was Queen of Palmyra, Zenobia. This would successfully reunify the thrones of Egypt and Judea if Drusilla was the only Ptolemy of her generation still alive (because only Cleopatra Selene II survived among her siblings and reproduced, then her only son had an only daughter, which is Drusilla.
>>18292984In this narrative, Azizus and Sohaemus would be the church of Jesus and James in the desert.Here's their father:>Sampsiceramus II became the priest-king in Emesa following the death of his grandfather, Iamblichus II. His father Sohaemus ruled from 20 BC to 14 AD in Chalcis, as a vassal of Iamblichus II. According to a surviving inscription at the Temple of Bel in Palmyra, dating from the years 18/19, he may have acted as an intermediary between Palmyra and Rome. In the inscription he is mentioned alongside the Roman general Germanicus, the adoptive son and nephew of the Roman emperor Tiberius. Before he died, Sampsiceramus II was convened by the Herodian King Agrippa I at Tiberias. The dates don't line up. However, that doesn't automatically invalidate this idea. The idea that the major "final" event of Jesus' life was in 33 AD is due to the celestial passover event that astro-theologians calculated as the precise beginning of a new age. Thus, "Jesus" is the "spirit" that essentially traverses the cosmos at that exact moment in astronomical alignment. For ritual reasons, they apparently have one person on earth that they do the ritual with, and I'm guessing that it was Apollonius. He was the inheritor of an important priesthood in Anatolia which may have broadly represented people from the Black Sea to the Persian Sea. These are the "Scythians", the ethnicity that has been somewhat obscured/repressed in research literature.So, the Flavian dynasty emerges after the year of 4 emperors as the second major dynasty in Roman history, with Vespasian as the patriarch. Vespasian happens to have been the general leading the Roman army in Judea. Curious, right?Vespasian's son Titus marries Julia Berenice, who is remembered as the daughter of Herod Agrippa the final king of Judea (big whoop, Edomite blood, although this may convey immediate political power in Judea) and grand daughter of one of the last Hasmoneans, Mariamne I.
>>18293012However, Berenice also married Marcus Julius Alexander (the brother of Tiberius Julius Alexander, highest roller of Alexandria), Herod of Chalcis, and Polemon II of Pontus.>Vespasian was then appointed by Emperor Nero to put down the rebellion; he landed in Judaea with the Fifth and Tenth legions in 67. He was later joined at Ptolemais by his son Titus, who brought with him the Fifteenth legion. With a strength of 60,000 professional soldiers, the Romans quickly swept across Galilee and by 69 marched on Jerusalem.>It was during this time that Berenice met and attempted to seduce Titus, who was eleven years her junior. The Herodians sided with the Flavians during the conflict, and later in 69, the Year of the Four Emperors—when the Roman Empire saw the quick succession of the emperors Galba, Otho and Vitellius—Berenice reportedly used all her wealth and influence to support Vespasian in his campaign to become emperor. When Vespasian was declared emperor on 21 December 69, Titus was left in Judaea to finish putting down the rebellion. The war ended in 70 with the destruction of the Second Temple and the sack of Jerusalem, with hundreds of thousands killed and 97,000 taken captive by the Romans. Triumphant, Titus returned to Rome to assist his father in the government, while Berenice stayed behind in Judaea. Would it be unreasonable to suggest that Rome had to respond politically to rebels in Syria after the War of 66-70 in Judea, and this marriage was the key to not only the failure of these rebels but the rise of the next political dynasty in Rome?Maybe I don't have the exact motives down, but consider who she associated with. Polemon II's mother was Pythodoris of Pontus, who was at one point the only queen to ever rule Pontus and also the spouse of King Archelaus of Cappadocia, who is the father of Glaphyra that married Alexander of Herod and Juba II.
>>18293023If the former spouses of Berenice had aligned interests, then Titus is effectively marrying into this entire faction, right?More on Pythodoris:>Pythodoris was born and raised in Smyrna (modern İzmir, Turkey). She was the daughter and only child of the wealthy Ionian, and friend to the late triumvir Pompey, Pythodoros of Tralles and a woman named Antonia. This Antonia was thought by Theodore Mommsen to be the daughter of Mark Antony, but recent scholarship has revealed the assertion to be problematic. Domitilla Campanile suggests it is more likely the father of this Antonia was the child of Gaius Antonius or Lucius Antonius, brothers of the more famous Marcus. Let's start with Mommsen's idea and the implication. One of Marc Antony's daughters was raised in a household sympathetic to Pompey, who at one point was Julius Caesar's bitter rival prior to his becoming the patriarchal ruler of Rome. Antony opposed Augustus Caesar, and Pompey opposed Julius Caesar.>According to an honorific inscription dedicated to her in Athens in the late 1st century BC, her royal title was Queen Pythodoris Philometor (Greek: ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΑ ΠΥΘΟΔΩΡΙΣ ΦΙΛΟΜΗΤΩΡ). Philometor means "mother-loving" and this title is associated with the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt. Antony and Cleopatra died in 30 BC. Suppose that Cleopatra was pregnant at this time, and gave birth a year or less before she died. Is it possible that the one window where we might lack clarity on the Cleopatra bloodline is in the final year of her life during the wars at the end of the Second Triumvirate. Suppose that she gave birth to twins who are whisked away, and the daughter is sent to Ionia, becoming Pythodoris Philometer, and the son is sent to Parthia or Armenian territory at least (maybe by way of Parthia, maybe as an independent kingdom), becoming Izates the First. Izates' children lead to Izates II and Monobazus II, who are clearly significant figures for some reason.
>>18293034Note that Izates I and Pythodoris are both supposedly born in 30 BC, precisely.Pythodoris' children/ancestors become Polemon II, Berenice, and then the family of Titus Vespasianus. Pythodoris also spends years as queen of the powerful military of Pontus, which rivals Rome at sea (and likely by extension, in all intelligence operations, since these were pirates). Not unreasonable to think she would help engineer religious-political beliefs in part based on her inheritance of the Ptolemaic nobility (as the tombstone records). Her bloodline is also mixed into the Cappadocian intrigue (including the priest-king church of Chryse, which is pronounced like "Christ" and means golden, like the golden fleece that Jason of the Argonauts protected; a clear match for one version of Jesus symbolism) and the Mauretanian dynasty (Glaphyra married Ptolemy and thus connected with the other remaining Ptolemaic line).Meanwhile, Izates' children become the leaders of the Judean revolt, since it's really a war of Assyrians crossing the river into Judea to reclaim past land. These leaders claim rights to Judea by saying they descend from the original kings, who were something like Assyrian or Hittite, but this probably means Royal Scythian either way by the time of Macedonians invading the East (from which the Ptolemies descend). I'm butchering the story, but this is supposed to be a "second Joshua" moment, but I have a hunch that this name has linguistic relation to Saoshynt. Izates was Zoroastrian, after all. He marries into "Judaism" at the last minute, which is to say he follows the rules of the Temple of 2000 years ago, and he recognizes it as the former law of the ethnicity he's claiming (Assyrian/Hittite/Scythian) — essentially saying the temple is Phoenician, not Semitic. The difference is that Semitic is the basal population of Horn Africa, and Phoenician was the trans-Mediterranean seafaring culture.
That was me. Which post should I read, there's too many on the thread now.I'm no historian or scholar by the way. Just interested in a particular subject for esoteric purposes.
>>18293049To add, this is how Izates' children become Asineus and Anileus in Josephus. It's the same Joshua story, but a failed one. That's one of the acts of the so-called "Jewish"-Roman War of 66-70 AD, I believe.So, again, this is the context that the Flavians come to power in. They are heavily funded by Berenice, who is the granddaughter in law of Mark Antony and I think potentially also of Cleopatra VII. The Flavians effectively defeat the other branch of Ptolemies in the Adiabenan-backed revolt of 66-70 AD, then marry this western branch, then use Apollonius's stories to mythologize themselves and hide what was done. That's how twisted Roman Christianity is.>Archelaus was named after the first Archelaus (his paternal great-great-grandfather), who was a general of King Mithridates VI of Pontus. He was the son and heir of the Roman Client King Archelaus of Cappadocia from his first marriage to a princess from Armenia and his sister was the Cappadocian princess Glaphyra. That "Armenian princess" slips in there, and I wonder if it could be from Adiabene.>>18293056Sorry, got way longer than expected as I started riffing. I wanted to discuss who was a pretender and who wasn't. Do you think Elagabalus and his ancestry comes from a pretender to be the Messiah or Jesus figure, or were you just saying that he was a pretender in terms of being a good leader?
>>18293023>Glaphyra that married Alexander of Herod and Juba II.Rome & Judeans hate the guts of Juba II because he cucks the entire Roman & Judean victory over "Carthage" and Egypt. What they fail to focus on is the fact that his berber origin is inherently Osirian, and that Israel was a union of Osiris-following anti-Hittites/anti-Hyksos that fell out of favor of the new dynasty in Egypt.tldr;"Judeo-Christianity" is a romano-herodian anti-Osirian psyop.
>>18293075>Osiris-following anti-Hittites/anti-HyksosWhat is the difference between these two (or three) groups?
>>18293070>Do you think Elagabalus and his ancestry comes from a pretender to be the Messiah or Jesus figure, or were you just saying that he was a pretender in terms of being a good leader?Mostly the first. I'm not well versed in history to say on the latter.
>>18293085the Osiris mythos stems from maghrebi farmers that moved east to form the Osirian egypt as opposed to the Bes-based or "ethiope/nilote"-mythos nile.the hyksos and hittites were allied non-egyptian forces that were rivals of Egypt.The "Osirians" were the overall berber-based nomad-osirianism of the northern mediterranean sahara region, and the dynasties of Egypt didn't want to allow outside forces of the osirian faith to "rival" the internal osirian pharaohnic tradition.tldr;Osirianism = Saharan/south mediterranean nomad faith, whereas the Pharaoh = rulership of the Nile river itself.
>>18293170>northern mediterranean sahsouthern
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Re: Apollonius.I just saw this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apaliunas>Apaliunas (Hittite: 𒀀𒀊𒉺𒇷𒌋𒈾𒀸 Āppaliunāš) is the name of a god, attested in a Hittite language treaty as a protective deity of Wilusa. Apaliunas is considered to be the Hittite reflex of *Apeljōn, an early form of the name Apollo, which may also be surmised from comparison of Cypriot Ἀπείλων (Apeílōn) with Doric Ἀπέλλων (Apéllōn).>Apaliunas is among the gods who guarantee a treaty drawn up about 1280 BCE between Alaksandu of Wilusa, interpreted as "Alexander of Ilios" and the great Hittite king, Muwatalli II. He is one of the three deities named on the side of the city. In Homer, Apollo is the builder of the walls of Ilium, a god on the Trojan side. A Luwian etymology suggested for Apaliunas makes Apollo "The One of Entrapment", perhaps in the sense of "Hunter".Apollonius was from Cappadocia, which is even east of the Hittites.
