WELCOME TO /hellenism/Worship the Theoi, debate philosophy, discuss rites, and dive deep into Platonism & the mystical traditions of Antiquity.This general covers:>Hellenic Polytheism / Classical cult practice; Modern reconstruction & devotional work; Neoplatonism, Platonism, and philosophical theology; Mystery religions: Eleusinian Mysteries, Dionysian rites, Orphism; Theurgy, mystical practice, and esoteric Hellenism; Gods, daimones, heroes, and the Unknown God; History, syncretism, and revivalist approachesCore Topics— Platonism & Neoplatonism>Plotinus’ hierarchy: The One Intellect Soul.>How does contemplation of the One fit into devotional practice?>Ethical living, virtue, and mystical ascent in a modern context.— Theurgy & Mystical Practice>Iamblichus & Proclus: ritual as communion with the divine.>How do you integrate theurgy with worship of the Gods?>Mystical techniques: chanting, visualization, meditation, sacred geometry.— Mystery Religions>Eleusinian Mysteries: Initiation, the journey of the soul, secrecy.>Dionysian Mysteries: Ecstasy, trance, symbolic death and rebirth.>Orphism: purification, the soul’s cycle, and divine knowledge.— Hermeticism & Hellenistic Magic>Hermetic Corpus: divine mind, cosmic correspondences, alchemy of the soul.>Relationship with Neoplatonism and ritual practice.>Practical Hermetic exercises and philosophical integration.>The role of daimones, personal tutelary spirits, and higher intelligences— History & Revival>Julian the Philosopher & late antique polytheism>Modern Hellenismos: reconstruction vs esoteric reinterpretation
FAQ>What is Hellenism / Hellenic Polytheism?Worship of the ancient Greek gods (Olympians, chthonic deities, heroes, daimones) using rituals, altars, and festivals. Modern “Hellenismos” often combines devotion with study of philosophy and classical sources.>Is it just “paganism”?Not really. “Pagan” is a Christian term. Hellenism is a living revivalist religion rooted in historical Greek practice.>What is Neoplatonism and why is it relevant?A philosophical system from Plotinus Proclus that explains the cosmos as emanations from “The One.” It influenced late antique Hellenism, theurgy, and esoteric thought. Devotees often integrate contemplation of the One with ritual worship of gods.>What is theurgy?Ritual practice aimed at invoking or communing with divine intelligences.>How do I start practicing?Build a small altar for gods you feel drawn to, offer prayers, incense, libations, or simple daily rituals, study classical sources (Homer, Hesiod, Plutarch, Neoplatonists), start philosophical contemplation and meditation alongside ritual.Resourceshttps://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/p/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.htmlhttps://hellenicfaith.com/julian-hellenism/https://www.hellenicgods.org/https://www.theoi.com/https://hellenicfaith.com/books-links-and-resources/https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomericHymns1.html - Homeric Hymnshttps://www.theoi.com/Text/CallimachusHymns1.html - Hymns by Callimachushttps://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns1.html - Orphic Hymnshttps://www.giornopaganomemoria.it/plethonhymns.html# - Hymns by PlethonOrganizationshttps://tradizioneromana.org/english-version.html - Pietas Comunità Gentilehttps://www.ysee.gr/index-english.html - SUPREME COUNCIL OF ETHNIKOI HELLENES
How does it feel to know that some pygmies from Judea replaced the Imperial Cult with a universal religion?
>>18393687>>18393686This spamming again? So, do you still larping as greek even being some murican? But do you know what the Greeks did millennia before an murican with an identity crisis realized? That the Olympian gods, with all their human weaknesses and even *human vices* no longer mattered to them. according to the logic and theological polish that you atheists (in your case, an atheist with characters) found more appealing, they saw that trying to legitimize the ancient pagan cult was difficult, to say the least, or impossible. It was very illogical, and I find it interesting how in some threads you treat Zeus as a figure to be honored, giving him personal characteristics, but Greeks like Aristotle treated him better as a distant deistic figure without direct involvement or need for worship... Aristotle literally says that it is impossible to love Zeus and even useless.and now OP? Who will be your new heavenly daddy? Maybe Odin? Or perhaps Taranis? Perkunas?Many Greeks and Romans became "God-fearing" by interacting with "Abrahamic" communities and attending synagogues or churches, even without fully converting. Those who achieved full conversion were known as proselytes.>HellenismNon-Greek larpgans "devotees" of the Greek gods who embody Hellenic ideals are commonly referred to Hellenists.Faggot, I'm from Thessaly, and all these cringe religious movements that revive or """reconstruct""' the religious practices of Ancient Greece have been publicly emerging since... the 1990s hahaha only in 2006 "Ancient Hellenic Religion" was granted "known religion" status by Greece
>>18393687>Blogspot >Hellenism for beginners
>>18393726>Many Greeks and Romans became "God-fearing" by interacting with "Abrahamic" communities and attending synagogues or churches, even without fully converting.Shalom Moshe.
>>18393686Never seen a general on his.
>>18393699Christianity was founded in Roman borders, Jesus and Paul quote the stoics, and Greeks invented the old testament to cuck Canaanites out of their culture. Every time a cube meets a forehead, a dead Macedonian laughs in his grave.
Previous thread>>>/x/42004956
Zeus and the Olympians lost. Jesus won.
>>18393770>Lucifer won*sigh*
>>18393726>still larping as greek even being some muricanWere the Romans LARPers when they worshipped Greco-Roman deities like Jupiter and Minerva? Were they LARPers for spreading their worship to Western Europe? The foundation of western civilization is Ancient Greece and Rome and their religion, Hellenism, is the religion of the west. Even after the Christianization of the Roman Empire, Hellenist influences remained prevalent—the Christian (Catholic and Protestant) kings of Sweden saw themselves as “Champions of Mars.” Henry IV of France (a Calvinist, one of the most schizo Christian branches) saw himself as Hercules reincarnated, the “French Hercules.” Even the Renaissance only happened when people took an interest in ancient Hellenist texts and some were even Hellenists themselves like Giordano Bruno. Although nominally Christian, many Renaissance and Enlightenment intellectuals like Copernicus and Newton were heavily influenced by Hermeticism, which is a subset of Hellenism. The idea of reviving religious Hellenism isn’t a new idea, look up Gemistos Plethon. Look up Thomas Taylor, an English Hellenist who was also the first to translate into English the complete works of Plato and Aristotle as well as the Orphic fragmentsAlso I’m not even American kek, I’m Italian you faggot. Nor am I the only Hellenist on this board (I’m not OP).
You have to ensure to manifest both Sol and his companion as males.Anything else is just a mistake, sabotage, or a process that is not meant to be worked with out in the open.
>>18393781I have no idea why faggots like this feel the need to performatively countersignal their own civilization. St. Aquinas would vomit at the prospect. But it’s probably because there’s so much social pressure and incentive to constantly attack the racist boogeyman that you’ll get these “based” Christians who essentially have beliefs that are just more religious and edgy Reaganism.
>>18393770>Then: Persian, Greek, Roman>Now: Nordicunt germoidsIndian-Eurofags created this monster and iT took them over. There no reverting back to the old Indian-Euro cults they should get over it, and get it.
Do you guys strictly follow Greco-Roman practices or do you incorporate and Northern traditions? I’ve read where some just view neo-platonism as a method of interpreting the divine, it’s not so strict on the tradition.
>>18394126They don’t do shit man they’re playing pretend
>>18394130I make daily offerings of grapes, bread, milk, wine, and honey. I recite the Homeric hymns and Orphic hymns in the original Ancient Greek.When I pray to the gods, I pray how the ancients did it. First I wash my hands before praying to purify myself. When praying to Ouranic (sky) deities, I stand with my hands raised to the sky. When praying Chthonic (underworld) deities, I kneel with my hands to the ground. I address the deity by their specific titles or epithets, remind them of favors they have done for me and I have done for them and then state my request to the deity. After that, I make an offering or sacrifice to the deity.I hold a Neoplatonist view of the divine. To simplify, all reality emanates from a single divine source called the Monad or “the One” which is ineffable and beyond human comprehension (even calling it “God” would be a misnomer). Reality emanates from the One as follows; from the One emerges the Nous (“Intellect”), followed by the Psyche (“Soul”), and then finally the physical universe. The gods are Henads; intermediary principles between the One and the physical universe. They exist in a hierarchy that emanates from the One as follows; first the Hypercosmic gods who make Essence, Life, and Soul, the Demiurge (“Creator”) who makes the physical universe, and then finally the Cosmic gods who make Being, Nature, and Matter. Traditional myths are not literal historical events, but rather divinely-inspired allegories for things that are otherwise difficult to express and when interpreted correctly, they contain profound, hidden knowledge. They are useful for those who are less inclined towards philosophy and help them grasp complex and abstract doctrines.If any of this is LARP, then every religion including yours is also LARP.
>>18394126I find Germanic tradition interesting. I try to do things for Yule.I venerate Saturn/Chronos. I make offerings and say hymns every Saturday evening and occasionally pray for things I'd like to see happen for myself or others I care about.
>>18393686I venerate Dionysus and started finding other random polytheists to talk to.
A better way of describing HellenismIts when the line between the mystical, esoteric, metaphysical and religious, and the fictional creation by people who began to self-insert and create alternate versions out of their imagination rather than a purpose of communicating something.It's why I've been saying for the longest time that the Greek pantheon and partially that ancient Egyptian myths and some of the Mesopotamian kind of come across more as some sort of family drama reality TV show or something like that.
>>18393686>>18393726>>18393743>>18393775>>18393781>>18394192>>18394444>hellenismStop worshipping these demons who have the same philosophies as satan himself
hellenists are pathetic, it's sad honestly, stuck with a teenage mindset
>>18393758"When you get your cult replaced and nobody venerates the emperor anymore, you win! Also Greeks invented the Old Testament because I say so."
>>18394498I'll see you in your threads anon!!!!
>>18394498Stop worshipping jewish carpenters who trade acreage for foreskins
>>18393686Im slowly working on two sleeves of Hellenistic tattoosOn one side I plan on putting Dionysus, Prometheus, Pan, Apollo and the Maenad On the other side I have a Medusa tattoo that is partially done and I'm going to start working on incarnations of Inanna, Aphrodite, Artemis and some othersMy body is a temple I should decorate it
>>18394516I'm not big into tattoos, but that sounds very cool
>>18394518Thanks anon, I'm working on finding my favorite versions of the Gods to put on my body.Medusa was easy I fell in love with this painting the minute I saw it
>>18394506>Also Greeks invented the Old TestamentEveryone said so and the evidence does not speak for itself- it shouts at the top of its lungs.Marcus Aurelius was a Christian, or invented Christianity, one of the two. Lookup commonalities in Meditations and the New Testament. Then read the British 1st millennium histories. It's all there.
>>18394547Have you read the Pentateuch? What part of it reminds you of Homer and Hesiod?
>>18393686Do you syncretize your faith at all?What household god or gods do you have?What part of the faith makes you most interested?Are you into stuff like the Orphic/Dionysian mysteries?>personally I love the idea of messianic Dionysus becoming the central pillar
>>18394813>Do you syncretize your faith at all?Yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNJuB62CCKchttp://www.gnosis.org/library/7Sermons.htm
Dionysos
What is the appeal of Sol Invictus? I don't get it.And why does Dionysus in particular seem to have a more devoted modern cult than the other Hellenic deities?
>>18393686Wouldn't this be better of on /x/ (like all religion threads?)
Hellenism is religion made entertainment for the masses, and that's why it lost its way and created the false world of the Western world.
>>18395129Oh please its amazing the gripes you Christians will come up with. >false western worldSounds like someone is a bitter loser, I'm a loser, youre a lower most people are losers no need to be such a little pill about it.
>>18395093I think we are fine where we are, amusingly I do share a polytheism discord with an /x/ person into the occult
>>18395089Sol Invictus?It represents cyclical change of death and rebirth. People think of just the holiday but it isnt just representing seasonal change since many Hellenic polytheists also believe in reincarnation. Some followers of Dionysus like him for similar reasons. As for the Cult of Dionysus?I think its a mixture of things, it was already hugely popular in the ancient and classical world and might have even started becoming dominant in some ways. The Romans tried to kneecap Dionysus worship and make it mors acceptable to the state unfortunately. Modern Dionysus worship is probably popular with a lot of queer people who are also into drugs and since the venn diagram on that and polytheists is a circle youre going to find a lot of them
CREDO IN UNUM DEUM,PATREM OMNIPOTENTEM,FACTOREM CAELI ET TERRAE,VISIBILIUM OMNIUM ET INVISIBILIUM,ET IN UNUM DOMINUM IESUM CHRISTUM,FILIUM DEI UNIGENITUM,ET EX PATRE NATUM, ANTE OMNIA SAECULA,DEUM DE DEO, LUMEN DE LUMINE,DEUM VERUM DE DEO VERO,GENITUM, NON FACTUM, CONSUBSTANTIALEM PATRI:PER QUEM OMNIA FACTA SUNT.QUI PROPTER NOS HOMINES ET PROPTER NOSTRAM SALUTEM DESCENDIT DE CAELIS.ET INCARNATUS EST DE SPIRITU SANCTOEX MARIA VIRGINE, ET HOMO FACTUS EST.CRUCIFIXUS ETIAM PRO NOBIS SUB PONTIO PILATO;PASSUS ET SEPULTUS EST,ET RESURREXIT TERTIA DIE, SECUNDUM SCRIPTURAS,ET ASCENDIT IN CAELUM, SEDET AD DEXTERAM PATRIS.ET ITERUM VENTURUS EST CUM GLORIA,IUDICARE VIVOS ET MORTUOS,CUIUS REGNI NON ERIT FINIS.ET IN SPIRITUM SANCTUM, DOMINUM ET VIVIFICANTEM:QUI EX PATRE FILIOQUE PROCEDIT.QUI CUM PATRE ET FILIO SIMUL ADORATUR ET CONGLORIFICATUR:QUI LOCUTUS EST PER PROPHETAS..ET UNAM, SANCTAM, CATHOLICAM ET APOSTOLICAM ECCLESIAM.CONFITEOR UNUM BAPTISMA IN REMISSIONEM PECCATORUM..ET EXSPECTO RESURRECTIONEM MORTUORUM,ET VITAM VENTURI SAECULI.AMEN.
>>18395581You are Mexican.
>>18395587I’m pure North Sea blonde blue eyed. As a vague hellenist, you are something between a Greek and an Italian, so a Sicilian.I have advanced fitness, am tall, successful with women, hold a doctorate, have a prestigious salaried job, a loving family, proud parents, genius IQ, and all of it is nothing next to the glory of God almighty, since I (and you) could just fall down the stairs and die within the hour.Abandon your silly adherence to dead idols.
>>18394813>your faith>the faith>messianicRebellious apostates who still can’t escape the gravity well of what they know deep down is the true faith. Come home and I will welcome you as a brother. It’s saddening that the Church fails to appeal to people like us, because I know many of you are quite intelligent people who would be of great aid in the war against evil.
>>18395617No thanks I'll see you in your threads ok /his/ and /pol/ though!Have a joyous day anon
I only particularly like Athena for some reason. Maybe it's because I like the unique relationship Odysseus had with her.
>>18395773Perhapshttps://sacred-texts.com/cla/hoo/hoo36.htmhttps://sacred-texts.com/cla/ebm/ebm07.htmhttps://www.etsy.com/listing/884250930/handmade-athena-statue-white-marble
>>18395773Thats fine I tend to think of our gods as the tip of the iceberg. Ultimately you should go with whatever personification speaks to you since their are many ways to a good life and afterlife. Personally dionysus is my main household God because he touches so many spheres of my life
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>>18395619Aw thanks dude. Come over to /clg/ on /lit/. I don’t post anywhere else usually.
>>18395612No Sanchez you are not white, you are a fat Mexican who lives in your mom’s basement and has never interacted with a woman in your entire life. No amount of gaslighting will change the fact that you are not white nor European and never will be. Your theology is based on nothing but lies and deceit, rabbi Yeshua was not the incarnation of any divine being but some mortal criminal whose story is heavily mythologized and distorted (no he wasn’t born of a virgin nor did he rise from the dead).There is no greater glory than to worship the gods of Olympus and no amount of Jewish lies will change that.
>>18396340>if I say it enough times my cope will become trueIt’s prayer, of a sort.
>>18396340cope, I know anon personally and can confirm he's telling the truth. you're a sour grapes larper
>>18396367I know him personally and I can confirm you're lying
>>18396367Can confirm, I know you personally >>18396371I don’t know you though
>>18396488>>18396367Samefag
>>18396492False. Got anything more MENA boy? You guys will talk shit about Christianity being Eastern when the Greeks and Romans were worshipping eastern gods constantly.
>>18396363Post hand Latinx
>>18393781Europe would be basically a white India without Christianity. European Christians gave us the printing press, the University of Oxford, the Age of Exploration, and so much more. I'm not being a 'christcuck' saying this, I'm just being logical.
>>18395581AMEN! DIEU LE VEUT!
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>>18397315If Abrahamic monotheism is so enlightening then tell me why is Pakistan, aka Muslim India, just as much of a filthy shithole if not more filthy and shitty than India? Why is Africa still so backwards even though the continent is mostly Christian (and far more Christian than the modern west btw)? Japan follows Shinto, a pagan religion, and they have far higher living standards and scientific progress than whatever part of Mexico you came from, explain that huh?Also, most of those inventions came in spite of Christianity not because of it, especially since most renaissance-era intellectuals like Giordano Bruno were labeled crypto-pagans by the church. Speaking of the Renaissance, you probably don’t know that the whole thing only happened because of Gemistos Plethon, aka the first neopagan. It was he who preserved certain classical texts that otherwise would have been lost, it was his lectures on Plato that inspired Renaissance-era thinkers to take an interest in antiquity.The Renaissance only happened as it did because people took an interest in PAGAN texts. While many Renaissance-era thinkers might have been nominally “Christian,” their works were specifically inspired by PAGAN philosophies such as Neoplatonism and Hermeticism. Christianity itself played no role in any of this (especially when many of these thinkers like Giordano Bruno and Niccolò Machiavelli were literally accused of crypto-paganism).
>>18397354>The Renaissance only happened as it did because people took an interest in PAGAN texts.Couldn't find a single source verifying that. What I DID discover was that the Catholic Church was the largest sponsor art, literature, and architecture. Furthermore, many works have clear Christian influences, like Michelangelo’s David, and da Vinci’s The Last Supper.
>>18393686Do you ever pour libations?I think milk, honey, water and wine are my main ones and I usually do a shots worth of each for an offering.
>>18397520I just have an offering bowl I put wine and grains on and put in front of my icon
What does everybody do for incense? I just burn some Champa sticks in an old mason jar. I don't think I'm getting my damage deposit back
>>18397534Ultimately sacrifice of any kind is effort and devotion I think. Capitalists or sociologist would probably call it "unproductive labor". >>18397534Depends on how bad it is and if its a case of just needing to air it out for a day or two between moving out and handing back the keys or TSPing everything
>>18393686>freemasonic floor
>>18397562You can't smell anything in between burning. I only do it once a week anyhowI'll probably just sponge down the walls and ceiling around the shrine
>>18397565Hebrews be stealin
>>18397498For a few generations before the fall of Constantinople they tried getting Italy back into Roman classical culture to try to entice them into saving the rump state.One of the last of these was was Plethohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemistos_PlethonWho also just so happened to secretly been a pagan. Amusingly a few books described him as being a longshot candidate for pope. There was a whole attempt by the emperor to force the Orthodox church into some conformity to end the schism to make them more appealing for military help.
>>18393686I've never understood why Prometheus worship wasnt more common as the creator and champion of humanity
Reminder that Hellenism is just religion turned entertainment for the masses
>>18398084Art is religion. Religion is art.
>>18398085Exactly. And entertainment for the masses is neither.
>>18398091Entertainment for the masses is both.There is religion for the masses and religion for the elite. What's preserved in art and literature was made for the elite. There is almost nothing left of the religion of the masses. They were probably worshiping homemade icons of Hestia and Demeter in a shed
>>18398098No. Entertainment is corrupted art, a messaging system.It is like poisoning the well when people think the lesser version (fanon, fanfics, fanwank) is the canon version.Do you still not get it?The elites are a terrible example. They abuse the messaging system and the abilities for personal gain but ultimately no end goal.Everyone is now more confused than ever. Ergo, the purpose of art failed in its entirety.Im glad you made probing questions or arguments even if I dislike the disingenious delivery.
>>18397354>AbrahamicAbrahamic is a meme term overused and misused referring to the genealogy and not the characteristics of the religions it is used to describe. Christianity is Abrahamic, but it is nothing like Judaism or Islam.
>>18398547Is there a term that refers to Islam, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, but omits Judaism?
>>18398550Never thought about it. All 4 are technically messianic, just that only one thinks the savior came, and the other 3 are still waiting. I do think the “Abrahamic” label being exclusive of Zoroastrians is a little silly since it’s pretty obvious Zoroastrianism has a massive outsized influence, on Christianity most of all.
>>18398656Judaism is a monolatric ethnoreligion with unclear views on afterlife or eschatology.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatry It's closer to Shinto or the classical pagan religions than anything else imo, just a lot more arrogant and exclusive.
>>18398868I guess the one other difference is the Ten Commandments and the 613 mitzovtimhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandmentsThose aren't that different from the Hindu caste laws tho. The Law of Manu and Twelve Tablets of Rome are similar as is the Code of Hammurabi which the Bible partially plagiarizes.https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7150-hammurabiThe main unique quality is that I can't thing of any other ethnoreligion that attributes its laws specifically to one supreme deity who is also the major deiry of the tribe. Maybe the Egyptians with Ra.
>>18398868Yes. I think in some ways even the Pharisees are closer to Christians and that many modern Rabbinical Jews are more like Saducees, and that’s being generous. It’s really bizzare to me because the pentateuch seems so explicit about the existence of these things sometimes; but they place the law and the nation above God, which is why they killed Him to save the nation.
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So how does everyone feel about Orphism vs "normal" Dionysian cults
>>18401097Orphic Hymns are very good. I use them in my regular practice
>>18401130I like the Orphic hymns too, no I mean Orphic Dionysianism which was a weird offshoot of ascetic worshippers. I think a lot of their core beliefs spread like Messianic Dionysus but the ascetic stuff seems to have been explicitly a private cult
>>18394498>pagancucks have disfunctional familiesmany such cases
>>18397570Nonsense fanfic, read good sources, especially from bookshttps://historyforatheists.com/2021/08/the-great-myths-13-the-renaissance-myth/Alfred W. Crosby, The Measure of Reality: Quantification and Western Society, 1250-1600 (Cambridge, 1997)Seb Falk, The Light Ages: The Surprising Story of Medieval Science (Norton, 2020)Catherine Fletcher, The Beauty and the Terror: An Alternative History of the Italian Renaissance (Penguin, 2020)Edward Grant, The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts (Cambridge, 1996)James Hannam, God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science (Icon, 2009)Erwin Panofsky, Renaissance And Renascences In Western Art (Harper, 1969)Walter Scheidel Escape from Rome: The Failure of Empire and the Road to Prosperity (Princeton, 2019)Larry Siedentop, Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism (Allen Lane, 2014)Patrick Wyman The Verge: Reformation, Renaissance, and Forty Years that Shook the World (Twelve, 2021)pagancuckery is higher level illiteracy, stupidity and foolishness together with neoatheism
>>18396340In the end we all know that you life is a lie full of contradictions, how do you cope with that ?
>>18393726Kek pagancuckery ''texts'', ''knowledge'', ''prayers'', ''cults'' or whatever are created form nowhere by *UNKNOWN* authors, in other words charlatans and grifters... imagine the low IQ you must have to believe on shit created yesterday in a garage
>>18401822Anon i dont really care about your bullshit I wrote plenty on the topic of eastern Mediterranean influence on the "western" Renaissance you can keep whining about how the dark ages weren't really that bad and western Europe didnt really need the east but the reality is that the Italian Renaissance looks completely different without Byzantine influence and people like Pletho.
>>18401830The Book of Proverbs was written a guy named "Shlomo ben David"
How is Neoplatonism by RT Wallis as an introduction/overview? Anyone read it?
>>18401830Pagan texts have known authors you idiotOvid, Hesiod, Homer (might be a compilation), OrpheusI don't count plays as cannon religious works but they are a product of hegemonic Hellenic polytheism like the Bacchae and other Theban plays and we also have those authors
>>18402378There’s also the works of Hellenist philosophers like Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Plotinus, Porphyry of Tyre, Iamblichus, Proclus, Sallustius, etc.
I’m working through the Greek canon, not limited to religion, but this is probably the best place to ask. So far I’ve read>Iliad/Odyssey>Homeric Hymns>Hesiod>Orphic Hymns>Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides >HerodotusNext up is probably Argonautica and Thucydides. Possibly Apollodorus or Metamorphoses to cement the mythology. Saving philosophy for a little later. Is there anything that jumps out to you as a better next step? Also interested in any must-reads that I might overlook
>>18402421I just finished Metamorphoses. Read that. It is probably one of my favorite books of all time. It's as good as Homer.
>>18402435It does seem pretty underrated
>>18402421Youre on a great start anon
Gerson's or MacKenna's translation of the Enneads? Which is better?
>>18401822>“History for atheists”>Looks inside>Basically full of strawmans and its “argument” are basically just nothing more than “nuh uh”Also, nobody here is an atheist. You are simply strawmanning because you simply can’t conceive the idea that other religions exist and are far truer than your Jewish fantasy.>>18402051This.
>>18397849Because he also defied the supreme ruler of the universe. He is an interesting figure in that this act of rebellion was clearly to mankind's benefit and can easily be seen as heroic. But too much emphasis on worshipping him would inevitably run up against religious and social order.
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