The most tolerant empire of its time. They allowed multiple religions to coexist in peace. And were hated for it.
>>18455777The Mughals wer more tolerant towards Hindus than the Ottomans were towards Christians, with the exception of Aurangzeb.
>>18455777*Laughs in kidnapped children turned into rabid fighters
>>18455826>pearl clutching about the past is only le bad when it's about colonialism n shietThe average age of soldiers in the past was like 14. Meaningless comment.
>>18455826The way people act like the devshirme system was the most cruel thing ever is so utterly ridiculous. Nobody is saying they were angels ro whatever, they did plenty of shit wrong. But compared to everyone else, they were very tolerant (until mid 19th century).The reason people badmouth them all the time is because unlike other empires the ottomans didnt eradicate all their conquered people. The balkans didnt persevere because of their will its because the ottomans just wanted the money
>>18455777Yup, really makes the rightwing sheep claiming Israel and Iran are equally bad look embarrassing in their lack of historical knowledge.Throughout Dar al Islam the life and property of dhimmies was protected by the state. Meanwhile in the one country explicitly ruled by Jews the property of gentiles is stolen from under their noses and they are exterminated like vermin.Pathetic fencesitters can shove their golden mean fallacy right up their ass.
>>18455843>le they were very tolerant meme>unlike other empires the ottomans didnt eradicate all their conquered peopleThe majority of empires tolerate other people they happen to rule. Hence why it's an empire and not a mono-ethnic state. >Indians still speak Indian after being colonized by Dutch / Portuguese / British>even Classical Rome tolerated other cultures as long as they paid taxes and didn't cause too much trouble>Abbasid Caliphate: about the same level of tolerance, possibly more, seen in the later Ottoman empire that took over its territories>Ottomans: we didn't just butcher everyone. that proves we Iz great tolerant civilizationon another note is there a reason there's so many ottoman/turkboos on here? It's just one of many civilization but every time I open the catalog there's a dozen threads about them. >>18453775>>18454022>>18451508
>>18455892Its not being an ottoboo, i much prefer the ERE. I just dislike the insane hate boner people have for them were they act like they were a bunch of rabid demons. If both protestand and orthodox christians at some point prefer ottoman rule over latin, what does that make them?
>>18455782>AurangzebI wonder what would have been different if Dara Shikoh had been emperor instead. I imagine a dramatically different timeline but I dunno.
>>18455897I think this is a case of someone leaving a job they hate and finding out the new place is the same or worse.>protestand The Ottomans strategically supported some Protestant people in Hungary because they believed they could use them against the Catholic Habsburgs. Unironically the people the Ottomans couldn't stand were Shia Muslims. They absolutely massacred Shia Muslims in their territories. Again this is politics because one of their main rivals was Safavid Iran.
>>18455826You would call it epic if the Romans did it.
>"Wallahi I was promised dancing boys - where are my dancing boys, akhi?"How do you respond without being executed by a janissary?
>>18455915That's a white man, Rajesh.
>>18455892Two of the threads you posted have nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire. You declare any interest in history relating to the entire Turkish speaker mass of Eurasia as "turkboo" but you will not do the same for the threads revolving around European history.
>>18455925Just something I've noticed anon. Majority of the topics about something European history related are some topic about a specific event in history. >Why isn't Turkic a lingua franca of EurasiaWhat kind of retarded self-congratulatory question is that?I don't see anyone making a thread about why Gaelic is not a lingua franca of Europe.
>>18455915>Akhi>WallahiTurks don't say that
>>18455777Their tolerance was their downfallSpanish completely exterminate the moorish people in Iberia and to this day they still hold all of itIf Ottomans did the same in Balkans...
>>18455975If they tried doing that the entire Balkans would have been lost to the Habsburgs. They would have faced fierce resistance every step of the way.The Spanish reconquest of the peninsula took 800 years of fierce fighting. The Ottoman empire only lasted 600 years.
>>18455943Well my thread:>>18454022Was made because no one ever talks about the history of that region of Europe and how culturally alien it was for centuries before the Russians conquered it. There's this idea that these lands claimed by the Mongol Empire in Europe were all stereotypical farmlands sprinkled with timber house European villages or whatever, and the Mongols raped and Turkified it rather, rather than it being just another steppenigger wasteland.
>>18455916According to contemporary Europeans that's an alien Turkic barbarian from the east
>>18456025No contemporary Europeans considered Turks to be a Mediterranean-Aryan race. "Turkic barbarians" were called Tartars and were thought to originate in the Mongol invasions, displacing the racially Aryan Turks with half-breeds.
>>18456036What the hell are you saying
>>18455777kek why tf is romania split into 3 and TRANScarpathia in hungary? magyar cygani??
>>18456044I'm not trolling. This is literally true. Old school race scientists hypothesized the original Turks in Central Asia were racially Mediterranean, and Mongoloid features were introduced by the Mongol invaders. This was also used by one observer to explain the racial disposition of the Crimean Tatars of the south coast, who were racially Mediterranean, with the Crimean Tatars of the north, who were racially bearing Mongoloid features, by hypothesizing that the south-coast Tatars were the result of racially Mediterranean Turcomans of Central Asia following the Mongol hordes into Crimea.
>>18455915>Zutting sunnah for Jihad Oh-hoe-hoe-hoeEverybody was kang for zuttingThose cocks were fast as lightningIn fact, it was a little bit frighteningBut they fucked with expert timingThere were faggy Muslim men from faggy Turkish townThey were zutting them up, they were zutting them downIt's an ancient Muslim art, and everybody knew their partOh-hoe-hoe-hoe Oh-hoe-hoe-hoe
>>18455777>They allowed multiple religions to coexist in peace.They - tolerated - the faiths that were of the book. As in they put up with their heresy in return for protection money.Sectarian violence in the islamic empires was a recurring issue, in any case.
>>18455777Wrong, the Khans were
>>18455782Oh I should also mention that unlike Christians, Muslims, and Zoroastrians, Hindus are not people of the book. This makes the contrast between the two empires even starker.
>>18455915that's not what a ottoman Bey would sayHere's an interesting event from Uthman:>Prusa/Bursa conquered>The locals are kicking up a fuss>check it out>they want you to enact a market tax or enterance fee>completely dumbfounded on why a ruler would tax commerce>They beg you to avoid gyspies and lower class merchants>After getting angry you ask your subordinates if this is a custom>They say yes>You begrudgingly enact an fee on any merchant that makes a sale in the market because you can't find a legitimate reason to force someone to pay who hasn't even made a profitIslam promises your foreskin back in the afterlife btw>t.Turkayran
>>18456365potato patatoThe prophet specifically condemned anyone who attacked those of the actual category if they have upheld their treaties. There is a literal divine commandment by God himself to give those people 3 months to make arrangenments and whatnot, even the sword verse is a bastion of tolerance compared to the opposition
>>18455915>>18456065>In the report being read in the video, Ibrahim's account says a cleric is asked, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?" Although the cleric reminds everyone that sodomy is forbidden, he offers an exception. "Jihad comes first," he said, according to Ibrahim's translation, "for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it." The supposed cleric actually makes the case that not only is sodomy allowed, it could be required. "If obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad," the cleric reportedly says. "After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more."Raymond has always known
>>18456481>X-ForceThe Dawah bros who changed the world
>>18455777Not really, though. Islam was systematically privileged over all the other faiths and they were very encouraging of conversion. And that worked before the East-Euros unceremoniously reversed that order of things.>>18456365Well, technically speaking Indian muslims traditionally extended this designation to all the India specific faiths. Mostly for practical reasons. Hindus are famously really stubborn and resistant to conversion.>>18455975The main difference here was the mediterranean. The expulsion of the moors deeply crippled the southern and western parts of the country and would do worse for the Ottomans. And for what it's worth the main driver of Ottoman collapse was Russian obssesion with Tsargrad, not the native Christians (who were somewhat numerically challenged at that time).
