>>2624595
Nice roll anon but with respect I'm not sure your thesis totally stacks up. I think there are plenty of men who have sex with men who might not identify as homo or even bi. But I get what you are suggesting in your pics: scruffy dudes that look like someone you know

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>>2624845
>plenty of men who have sex with men who might not identify as homo or even bi

Imagine needing to do mental gymnastics to this degree just to not understand PENIS INSIDE MAN CAUSING YOU ENJOYMENT MEANS HOMOSEXUAL. BISEXUAL MEANS YOU HARBOUR BOTH HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL IMPULSES.
That's it. Nothing else. No "uhh, I don't go to pride parades and I am not like, sentimentally attached to dudes soooooo not gay obviously", no nothing. You are male. You fuck a man. You enjoy it. GAY.

It's like watching all the effort put into inclusivity eat itself through sheer stupidity.

>>2624846
source?

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>>2624595
Honestly, the cleancut fratbro type, the kind of guys sites like sean cody and gayhoople used to get, is extremely rare to see in gay men.

>>2624893
in love

>>2624846
The association between "gay" as a personal identity and "gay culture" (which is only defined to include to parades, hypersexual debauchery and drug abuse... this is a concept only promulgated by fascists, it has no basis in either reputable academic research or among actual LGBT people. none. at all.) was intentionally and deliberately concocted by far-right culture warriors in an attempt to prevent non-cis-het people from coming out of the closet.
In an era when gay rights were still trying to gain respect in politics. By preventing people from coming out, they could delegitimize non-cis-hey people, making them seem like just some obscure pervert fandom - and thus not worthy of equal rights.
As a testament to how serious such social manipulation can be, this entirely false and insidious lie is still being spread today as you often see children and morons on 4chan repeat that lie.
Just to clarify for the children who may be struggling to pay attention to a task longer than a TikTok video, being gay has nothing to do with what you wear, your hobbies, your speech impediment or lack thereof, it has nothing to do with whether you go to parades or bath houses.

>>2624900
>... this is a concept only promulgated by fascists
oh, this again.

>>2624846
Why does he not have toes?

>>2624900
It’s the other way around. Gay culture and politics are dominated by insecure and effeminate gays who are constantly bitching and complaining about something. It’s a culture of perpetually condemning other people who are more normal. The bitchy gays always claim to speak for the broader community of those who are same sex attracted. There’s more guys who have sex with other guys than there are gays who identify with the gay culture. Gays dont speak for or represent MSM men any more than MSM men speak for gays.

Im guessing the OP is getting at that important difference. Why cant we all stop policing how each other feels identifies and expresses themselves?

BTW it is always the extremists who ruin things for those at the center. This is a case in point. So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?

>>2624893
yes because a large portion of them were bi or g4p

>>2624916
low light, so the camera had trouble capturing detail, and it also did some aggressive noise reduction. whoopsie

>>2624595
Not much of a story, but I worked in a large suburban office building. Four of the six floors were used by one large company with a well-known (as seen-on-TV and business section of the newspapers) CEO, handsome and manly looking. I was also friendly with the night guard (ex-military type) since I worked late a lot and would stop and chat about the game he was watching. One night I worked until about 11 at night, went down to the first floor and decided to hit the rest room before my long ride home. Walk in and the guard is on his knees blowing the CEO. I mean, not even in a fucking stall. If you asked me to pick out to gay/bi guys in the entire building, they would not be on the top 100 list.

>>2624933
> If you asked me to pick out to gay/bi guys in the entire building, they would not be on the top 100 list
this is why "you can always tell" is such a huge logical error people make all the time. you don't know what you don't know

however good your gaydar may be, it's not as good as you think it is. while false positives may be rare (and also unverifiable much of the time), false negatives are undetectable by definition. this also applies to clocking trans people, plastic surgery, etc

>>2624965
Yeah, not that guy but I agree. I just assume everyone is straight unless they're like super gay

>>2624920
>So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?
It’s because you’re not gay enough. It’s like a LARPER proclaiming to be Christian despite not having been baptized. You do not get to claim the label nor can you speak for a group you aren’t a part of.

Tbqh it's not pc to point out but str8 men have a kind of effortless masculinity that gay men lack no matter how masc seeming they present

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College town bar about ten years ago.
There on my own. Start talking to blond blue collar type (like in picrel). Talking and drinking all night. All him if he wants to come to my place (drink more, crash out). Crash out / fool around in my bed. He's totally casual about it all. I ask him to tie my hands above my head while I suck him off. By now it's afternoon of the next day. He has the day off but I have to go do a quick audio setup that will take a couple of hours. Ask him to wait for me which he does. (At the audio job my buddy says I "smell like sex"). Anyhow overall it was a really nice time with strong level of trust. He was so laid back about the entire thing. Didn't see each other again but I saw him from a distance at local grocery store in shorts and tank top.

>>2624893
premium faggotry

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>>2624920
You are not some centrist, you are not anti-extremist or level headed. You are a faggot that is crippled by societal anxiety of being perceived as X or Y and you simply HAVE to obsessively clean yourself of assumptions of any kind, because other people's opinions of you dictate everything you do.
So much so that you have to put down other people sharing the struggles that you have because you want to be "more normal", whatever the fuck that means in this day and age.

You are a failure for all sides of the spectrum, and nobody wants to be associated with your kind of retardation. Don't confuse it for "the other way around.", because at least extremists on both sides have the balls to have beliefs, and centrists have the peace of mind to not care for whatever way the wave pushes. You have none of those traits to your name, which probably means you are stuck in some third world shithole where they beat being a spineless nobody into you from birth.

>>2624845
>>2624900
Shut the fuck uuuup loser dear GOD. You do realise that you are absolutely insufferable right? You're larping as...an intelligent person (I guess?) but if you were as intelligent as you are pretending you'd be self aware enough to know not a single person cares about your weird little takes. Not online. Not IRL.

I didn't even read all that shit but I can hear your annoying nasal faggot voice from here.

>>2624607
you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round

>>2624920
Maam this is a porn forum

>>2624980
Yup. A lifetime in the gym and all the body hair you can get will never compensate in masculinity what a straight man has automatically.

>>2625082
Lots of dudes into dudes are into the faggy gay scene. About a third of American men have had sex with another man. But only 3% are “gay”. So the gays are out of touch with the very men they claim to represent.

Everything else you wrote is pure projection by an insecure fem.

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Don't really understand what y'all arguing about but I'll throw some wood on the fire anyhow:

HOMOSEXUALITY as a so-called condition is an invention of the 19th century medico- psychiatric complex (see Foucault).

CAMPNESS as equated to GAYNESS is a cultural construct of the 1940s-50s based on framing gay as "inversion" (receptive femme to the insertive masc). Gay as camp portrayed in popular culture. (This "feminine" conception of gayness also drives the persecution of gay men in masculine driven cultures such as in parts of the middle east and Africa because it threatens the dominant hard masculine hegemony.)

HYPERMASC appropriated by gay culture as a fetish identity (see Tom of Finland 1940s onwards soldier fetish and then bikers fetish) and 1970-80s gay "clone" culture (moustache muscles jeans). Also Athletic Model Guild 1945+ & Physique Pictorial muscle mag 1951+ and fetishism of skinheads in German gay porn in 1990s.

Meanwhile men have been having sex with other males since time immemorial:

ANCIENT GREEK same sex mentorship (also idealised in ROMAN EMPIRE).

RITUALISED HOMOSEXUALITY for coming of age, and in battle rituals in premodern tribal cultures across Melanesia, also in premodern Japan.

SITUATIONAL HOMOSEXUALITY in all male environments such as prisons, barracks, convict ships and probably slave ships. And don't forget monasteries and boarding schools.

>>2624980
isnt this "just" the lack of the anxiety that automatically comes with being gay

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>>2625419
Knowing that you are different from the other boys from a young age, trying to hide this part of your identity, naturally causes a form of trauma that straight men and straight boys don't experience. They can express their whole selves in a way that aligns with what is celebrated in society especially if they are extroverted and physically proficient at sports etc.
Being different (gay, bi, especially if introverted) requires hiding a key aspect of your self all through childhood and adolescence or else face the consequences often leading to internalised homophobia.
Maturity might bring self acceptance mixed with shame, anger at the world, depression and anxiety. Always wondering if people will judge you
The solution is self compassion, knowing that you are NOT to blame for the discrimination you have faced all your life. And either a forgiving attitude if you can muster it, or an attitude of: who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks.
It's easy to envy that sense of sociality that seems to characterise straight male camaraderie, hence the fetishism of homosocial environments in gay porn (locker rooms, sporting gear).

>>2624762
Jeez

>>2624600

LOL that hole has had more men in it than the grand Central Station bathroom

>>2624900

Boy are you wrong. The many GAY Archives libraries across the country will show you what "gay culture" is, and it yes, includes Pride parades, but also authors such as Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, lyricists such as Cole Porter; activists such as Harvey Milk, Barney Frank, & Michael Signorile; actors, athletes, entertainers, and every other profession, all add to "Gay Culture" in tiny ways. The Bear Culture is nothing like what you discuss & is a large component of the "Gay" world nowadays

>>2624965
>this also applies to clocking trans people

MUCH less common being wrong about clocking trannies.

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>>2624920
>So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?

"The Gays" ARE "Regular guys"

That's not even the thread topic; it's "guys you would never guess are gay" meaning those who "seem" straight

>>2625391
Good grief you are retarded. It was clear from the get go, but every time you say anything it becomes so much more tangible.
Stay away from people, please. Do them a favour.

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>>2625322
kek

>>2625411
wrong and revisionist generally all around

>>2625391
>a third of American men have had sex with another man

the rest of your post is retarded but this is the foam helmet crown

>>2625760
kek exactly

>>2625760
That's probably not far off since it includes any male who has experimented when they were young. In reality, it's probably more like 6% of adult males.

>>2625430
>Americans inventing fake social problems
boohoo muh self-expression

Summary so far:
Guys aged in their thirties who are scruffy look straight but they're doing homo things.
Therefore they *are* gay.
Gay *culture* is or isn't designed to oppress gays.
Outspoken gays don't represent downlow homos.
Homo is a psychological trope but also an anthropological behaviour.
Straight men are naturally masculine in a way gays can never be except by copying.
THEREFORE (these comments would imply) you can always tell when gay isn't straight but you can't tell when straight is gay.
This is like phrenology for gayness.

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Beliefs about the Etiology of Homosexuality and about the Ramifications of Discovering Its Possible Genetic Origin

>Homosexuality is viewed by many as a social problem. As such, there has been keen interest in elucidating the origins of homosexuality among many scholars, from anthropologists to zoologists, psychologists to theologians. Research has shown that those who believe sexual orientation is inborn are more likely to have tolerant attitudes toward gay men and lesbians, whereas those who believe it is a choice have less tolerant attitudes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4545255/

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Robert Reed, the actor who played the patriarch Mike Brady in the popular 1970s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” was openly gay. In 1993, after Reed’s death, his co-star Barry Williams, who played Greg Brady, revealed that Reed was gay. Williams stated that Reed had confided in him about his sexuality and that he had known about it for many years.

>>2625965
Who is this?

>>2624913
Yep he's another annoying activist. I'm pretty sure he goes by gays for Palestine too

>>2627959
Got more of him?

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>>2627967

>>2628018
Moar?

>>2624933
Hot. Did you get involved?

>>2624595
i think my dad might be gay, or bi idk

>>2629714
what makes you think that?

t. bi dad making sure I'm not giving off those clues

>>2624599
Nice

>>2627481
would

>>2627481
He beautiful,name?

>>2624595
Used to work with a guy who was pretty macho... beautiful wife, two kids who he coached in soccer, managerial position. One day he mentioned "gay dogging" and I asked what that was. He went into a long description of it and then explained where a good spot was if you wanted to watch gay guys. He just seemed to know so much more than a straight guy would... where to park, which direction your car should face, best times, etc...

>>2630298
>gay dogging
what is that?

>>2630299
dogging but gay

>>2630299
having or watching sex in a public place

>>2625824
Everything he said is spot on though
How tf are you on this board and unable to relate

>>2629756
Getting a boner at the sight of a sexy man

>>2630864
Reminds me of the Muslim guy I met back in snapchat. Taught me how to finger my bum. I miss those days.

>>2631681
your bum? why do you seem scared to say ass?

>>2631682
No because I was 14 at the time. So I only got a bum.

>>2631684
>teenager gets epi'd and groomed into faggotry
Many. Such. Cases.

>>2624595
I do like some "straight-passing" gay guys who are closeted or on the down-low. Not a fan of the ones who are married to women though, too much baggage and I don't like cheating. Religious self-hating guys are a headache too.

Stereotypes can be funny, I've been duped by feminine straight guys before. My gaydar is trash, so I can almost never tell who's gay or who's straight so all gays are under the radar to me lol.

>>2633977

I wish I hadn't gotten married so I could still fuck around with guys without the guilt and baggage. I'm pretty comfortable with identity of being bi but man I miss sucking cock and my wife is not into that at all.

>>2633977
Met a cute guy at a sex on premises gay daytime cruise lounge. He was really into kissing and oral. I saw him again but he said none of his friends or family knew he went with guys. I found it confronting because I liked him but couldn't handle being responsible for upkeeping his secret.

>>2634660

That's hot though, could you imagine coming up on a dude and his family and friends and his fucking cum is in you? Like that shit is a fucking fetish right there. Just him holding his wife's hand and making eye contact with her while her husband's cum is in my stomach.

>Work in a blue collar job, fixing industrial equipment (factory machinery and the like)
>Not really out at work, but not hiding it either
>Get some shit for it, but it's manageable
>We travel around on a maintenance schedule, but also get called out on a short notice too, these machines when they break down it costs a shitton of money for the company for every second
>One time I have to fill in for a college who is sick, as one of the factories on his regular routes has an industrial crane that need fixing asap
>Go in start working, with the floor's foreman hanging out to constantly inform management about how things are going as they are shitting bricks
>He is an older guy, early fifties, a bit stocky but well built and really friendly
>Asks a lot of questions about the job, jokes around about how he needs a change.
>Gets close, wants me to point out what I am working on with the hydraulics, what could have caused the fuckup etc.
>I literally have no clue at this point about what's going on, he has 0 gay vibes and this is a fucking factory
>Suddenly as I stand up to take a swig from my water he steps in and grabs onto my crotch through my coveralls
>It's not a fucking porno, I don't get hard, I just stare at him in total shock
>He stares back, than I can see him starting to panic
>Find my voice and tell him, I need to finish this, but I can answer questions later (I remember that vividly as it was such a fucking retarded thing to say)
>He nods and hurries off, still panicked

>>2635805
(Cont.)
>Finish up with my job, and phone my boss that I am done and to tell it to the factory management, even had to make up something about why the guy is not the one telling them
>wash up a little and leave, thinking he just ran away or something
>he is waiting for me at the parking lot
>its pretty deserted, but still not exactly hidden
>he doesn't give a fuck, blows me right there in the cover of the door of my pick-up truck
>never really says anything just grunts and moans around my dick as he rubs himself off through his pants
>he says goodbye without looking me in the eye as he hurries back
>never see him again
>never asked my co-worker if he talked about me being a homo, or this guy just had some incredible gaydar

>>2624603
>inb4 "having a fag" joke

>>2625446
>Tyler Saint
Forever sad he never did bareback but holy shit he knows how to fuck

>>2627739
I finally understand how people get kidnapped by serial killers. I'd get in this car so fast!

>>2624595
>Might be bi
Lmao

The majority of guys fucking guys are bi. Are you not all being hit up by bi fellas at the time?

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I’ve been in an under the radar total cock loving faggot my entire life. Sucked my first dick in elementary school. Then had a (sort of) friend I’d jerk and suck off when I was in high school. First guy I fucked was a fag from college who used to hang out. Last week of college before heading home, I lured him into my dorm and we fucked all night. Few years later I discovered Craigslist and eventually Grindr. I’ll find a DL or married guy and fuck them in secrecy for as long as they’re down. I’ve always had girlfriends. Even almost got married. But I’ve never stopped sucking dicks, topping ass and taking loads. I could never have a boyfriend, or be “out” that’s gross. But I sure do love fucking men, and doing it as a secret is half the turn on.

>>2636191
Hot anon - totally get you situation.
I’m bi I guess, not really into fucking but love cock and hairy asses. Could never hv a boyfriend but live for cock and fucking my missus

>>2638145
Check out the bush on this guy

>>2624595
Used to meet a physician in his office after work on Fridays. Married, kids, good shape. By 3:00 on Fridays everyone had gone home so we had the office to ourselves. Started off just trading oral but after a few weeks, we started fucking. The guy was the straightest looking guy you could imagine, definitely flying under the gaydar.

>>2624595
>start talking to a guy on old yahoo chat room for gay/bi guys
>he's an outdoors, rugged type
>works at one of those stores dedicated to outdoor stuff
>we meet one day and hike, exchange a quick BJ in the woods
>tells me about a hiking group that we can hike with, break off and have fun
>agree to meet
>day comes, see him at the trailhead with a bunch of people
>walk over to him and he says
>"hi anon. meet my wife, Jane."
>look in his eyes says "please don't fuck this up"
>explains to his wife we met at the store
>hike for an hour with him and his wife, giving him the eye
>asked if she might be interested in joining us
>"only if you want to be left for dead on the trail"
>guess not

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not even gay

>>2640200

I’ve seen this btm before, think he’s cute. Does anybody have a name for him?

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>>2624595
Honestly yeah; you just show me a photo of Romeo Davis and I wouldn't guess he's gay desu

>Talk with guy on cruising website
>Shows some dick pics, pretty big
>Invite him over, he was driving around
>Dude is rugged as fuck, tall (6'4" at least), tatted up, short beard, talks very masculine bro type. Has a backpack on when he walks in, asks if he can use my shower
>ok
>Says not to mind him bringing backpack in, he likes to keep his valuable stuff near him all the time since prison
>Prison?
>He showers, comes out naked and we fuck, he spends most the time inside me telling me how much better ass feels than pussy
>We finish up, hes super laid back, asks if I wanna do some drugs
>No thanks
>He wishes me well and goes on his way

>>2624916
>>2624931

I think its a skinwalker

>>2641360
theres just a lot of baggage being associated with the term "gay" and going out so yeah its better to fuck men on the dl that being out and about like a village whore


sure you are that, but the secrecy keeps u safe. just a matter of time before anyone confirms (chances high people have a hunch) just enjoy the thrill

>>2641158
>no pubes
ruined
>>2641325
love this idiot's face

>>2641093
Mr. Beast?
>>2641098
Imagine

>>2641360
I just meant the act of being out and dating men, being in a relationship etc to me is gross. I have no desire for that. I like the secret, hooking up on the DL life.

>>2625419
Not really, masculinity is a bunch of behaviors men do to attract women. They are learned and enforced by other men since childhood. Gays don't want to attract women they want the masculine man himself hence they are much more likely to emulate the behaviors of women instead. Of course some gay men do pickup masculine traits as they grow up but fully embodying that kind of traditional masculinity is impossible for gay men since they lack the key component to it.

>>2624900
>the faggotry on display in pride parades, on the internet, and in the media is a vast right wing conspiracy
Faggiest thing in this thread, schizo

>>2624599
Why is everything in focus except his dick?

>>2624846
TLDR: it's HomoSEXUAL, not HomoROMANTIC

>>2624846
let other people be

>>2643167
Except no. Miss us with that "not all men who have sex with other men are gay or bi" bullshit. If you're a dude with a pp who likes other dudes with a pp, then you can never be exclusively hetero.

It's like those idiots saying men can identify as lesbians, or meat eaters can identify as vegan.
You can identify as something all you want, but it doesn't change reality.

>>2643191
This dude doesn't need to be on the down low. Clearly he would have everyone looking up relieve his tension

>>2643699
and so nobody is allowed to be wrong in your world

imagine the mental gymnastics just for you to have to do to derail this entire thread just to avoid admitting you're a big ol' queen

>>2625411
the depressing thing about all the provided examples of ancient homosexuality is that each and every one of them are examples of systemic abuse. Not a single one of the ones mentioned are respectful loving male on male relationships. in both greece and rome they'd kill you if it turned out you enjoyed bottoming. it was nothing more than a way to climb socially. I have to let this weird old guy rape me so i can get the shit i want from him. doesn't sound like much of a mentorship to me personally. part of the reason they killed Socrates is because they couldn't compete with him. all the boys liked Socrates, and they didn't have to sell ass to get him.

I've never liked any homosexual male in my life probably due to innate homophobia and self-hatred that us faggots are inundated with.

Always, without fail, I'm only ever attracted to heterosexual men. Currently I'm absolutely enamored with my straight coworker. I think being gay and celibate is a fucking curse.

>>2643977
I'm in a similar situation, met a straight guy a couple months ago and we have been good friends ever since. He's all I want in a man and more.
Never liked a gay man in my life.

>>2643859
Dude, what are you on? I think you replied to the wrong post.

I just stated that being attracted in any way to the same sex means you aren't straight. Being straight requires one to be exclusively heterosexual.
And deriving any sort of enjoyment out of engaging in sexual and/or romantic acts with other biological males (excluding things like jerking off while sitting on opposite ends of the couch), is the very opposite of what an exclusively heterosexual man would do.

>>2644020
You have a simple minded approach to life and that works for some people and some things. But really is usually more complicated than either/or.

Physical sexual attraction is different than romantic attraction. Some feel both for both sexes they are definitely bisexual. But some are exclusively attracted to women for romance and passion but like to get their rocks off with s dude now and then. You might equate those but usually they don’t. They usually identify as straight but also have occasional sex with men. Read faggot. Learn faggot. Stop being a simpleton faggot.

>>2644047
Bro, that's still not straight lmao. Being exclusively hetero means there isn't anything romantic and/or sexual going on with other dudes. What you described is still a flavor of bi. It doesn't need to be a perfect 50/50 split, and for many it isn't, but it's still bi.
That orientation is definitely not as clear cut as gay (exclusively interested in members of the same sex, who identify as such) and straight (exclusively interested in members of the opposite sex who identify as such). Pan, as in being attracted to trans individuals in addition to men and women, is even more complex and nuanced.

In other words, you can claim that you're straight all you want, but the cock in your -insert preferred orifice for penetration- says otherwise. No actually hetero man would willingly do that.

It's ok to be bi/pan. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
No need to do mental gymnastics to justify why occasionally sucking off your neighbor still counts as straight lmao.

Though I understand why someone might not want to associate with the current lgbt-long string of pointless letters. Even I stopped wanting anything to do with their shit. They're fucking degenerates.

>>2644047
"Occasionally eating sausage doesn't make me less of a vegan!!!"

>>2644165
>Food analogy

>>2644163
I think the proper category according to social scientists is MSM but who identify as straight.

If you’re a male, and your dick is *intentionally* used “on” or “by” a male for *your own* sexual gratification, then by definition that would make you at least “in part” homosexual.

Now, I do believe a guy could engage sexually with another man and it not be homosexual, but that can only be achieved through adrenal gratification I.E. a serious narcissist having a power trip and getting off on grandiosity rather than the feeling of sexuality.

This could be apparent in other niches like race play, or even that other one that involves fat people.

I’m not into masc features on dudes, but I’ve considered participating in sexual acts with dudes who are essentially just willing to simp for me, not too dissimilar to how a dominatrix would treat a slave, and how they look wouldn’t matter, age wouldn’t matter, just that feeling of superiority is what I’d get off to.

But that’s the only example I can come up with which *if not* shows an example of non-homosexual homosexuality (wild statement ik) it at very least genuinely blurs the lines to the point it would be considered the most heterosexual act of homosexuality.

>>2644189
I see what you mean. This one time I let a feminine, twink-y guy suck me off just because the opportunity presented itself. I didn’t seek it out, but on the other hand I wasn’t going to turn down a blowjob either. I would be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy the physical sensation (I did cum, after all) but the scenario is what ultimately turned me on. Me, a masculine, mostly straight dude dominating this effeminate, fruity guy, burying my cock in his mouth. But I’d still consider myself only mostly straight/bi.

>>2644191
Another scenario of straight guys doung gay things is in hs or college friends jacking to porn try jacking each other and realize it feels better than jack alone. Maybe they try swapping oral or maybe not just for the feeling. Gotta give to get. It doesn’t change their friendship. They are still attracted only to girls in every way but they have also learned that some gay stuff feels good physically. I think this is the root of MSM for a lot of guys I have met.

>>2644191
Yeah masculine narcissistic gratification is definitely raw and untapped, *especially* since it more often has to be earned to a degree unlike feminine narcissism.

However claiming to be “mostly straight” still doesn’t sit right with me lmao. I can’t lie I am a black and white thinker, but if an ice cream is mostly chocolate with a bit of vanilla, yes you can acknowledge it’s mostly chocolate, however if you’re also acknowledging two separate flavours coexisting, wouldn’t it be more accurate to describe that ice cream as bi-flavoured?

>>2644196
Nahh bro, that’s just gay I’d never touch the cock of any of my mates to get them off sexually, I’d only consider doing that if I was attracted to them or attracted enough to cock.

>>2644196
I don’t really agree with this, to be honest. Unlike the scenario I was in, there’s not even any sort of narcissistic power play involved in a couple roommates blowing each other. The framing of the act as just a favor exchange comes across more as rationalization more than anything

>>2644200
>However claiming to be “mostly straight” still doesn’t sit right with me lmao
I use “mostly straight” in a generic way. Just to express I’m only interested in women most of the time. I have no problem in describing myself as bisexual, even with my limited sexual experience with men. Even if the scenario itself is what turned me on the most in the situation I described, at the end of the day I wouldn’t have accepted the offer if I didn’t think the guy was cute (even if that impression was mostly related to how feminine he looked), and that’s obviously not a straight way of thinking

>>2644206
Yeah icl we sound like the exact same shade of bi lmao.

Bc although I know I’m bi, I don’t consider myself to be bi when it comes to dating, relationships etc.

So I’d only ever disclose being bi if it was with someone I was comfortable with honestly disclosing my sexual life to…

But typically if someone asks about your sex life it’s a numbers game I.E. whether you’re getting any, but when they ask about your love life, it’s a *who* game right? Are you talking to anyone, dating anyone etc etc.

So I get where you’re coming from for sure. But what I don’t get is when gay guys try pursuing straight guys or when guys are doing gay shit and try claiming straight lmao

That shit is wack imo

>>2644206
This is idiotic. You can’t accept someone else’s terms because it doesn’t fit your preconceptions so therefore the person must be dishonest in some way? So in your view also instances of sexual contact between men must have a power dynamic to be real? Fuck off with that mental illness.


My first experience were with a couple other friends in the 4th grade we just compared and grabbed and laughed.

Next experience was in hs before dating girls. Friend stayed over and we beat off together. Started dating girls after that.


Next, in college had a roommate that had a gf at another school. He was the guy who always hung out naked. Funny, charismatic, chill guy who did give a fuck what people think. We beat off to porn a few times, then tried jacking each other. Felt great and was fun in a broey sort of way. We did try sucking eachother. Got eachother off but neither of us liked it too much.

Now and then I like getting sucked by a dude who knows what he’s doing cause yes men into sucking dick give better head.

So I am straight or mostly straight but I am not denying anything. And there is no dominance or submission in this.

When I see my old roommate we will sneak a good mutual jack session.

I would not say I am bi. Im not at all attracted to mens bodies. I just like the feeling of a dude jacking me or sucking me because my wife isn’t into it.

We all get to define myself. If there is one thing we should all be learning is that identity is something one discovers and should be projected onto others.

>>2644216
Can you not see how you contradict yourself?

You claim to be straight

Then you state to be “mostly” straight

But being “mostly” straight is a fallacy because to be “mostly” straight indicates you must also be something else *as well as* straight…

So if that “something else” is slight homosexuality as well as heterosexuality, then hazar, heterosexuality coexisting with homosexuality equates to bisexuality.

You enjoy being sexually pleasured by a male “even” if only for a mutually sexual benefit. This is homosexual and there’s no way around that.

So by definition, you sir are bisexual.

>>2644212
>>So I get where you’re coming from for sure. But what I don’t get is when gay guys try pursuing straight guys or when guys are doing gay shit and try claiming straight lmao
I understand it as a kink more than anything, especially in the former case. Being so irresistible you manage to seduce someone of a different sexual orientation into fucking you. Or even seeing it as a "corruption" thing. I get the appeal. But it's foolish, for sure

>>2644216
>So in your view also instances of sexual contact between men must have a power dynamic to be real?
That's not what I mean at all. What I'm saying is that, at least in my situation, you could claim it was mostly about the power dynamics (even though I admit it wasn't solely about that), while in yours it really is all about enjoying having sex with men even though you rationalize it as a simple favor exchange. Which makes you bisexual. Like me

>>2644227
Ah yeah that makes sense. Because I talked to a guy a while ago who was into it but he never referenced it as if it was a kink or turn on, he always talked about it like he was so attractive he could just turn men gay for him…

It was a horrid friendship though, he was narcissistic but in the genuinely mentally ill kind of way, so when he talked about turning men gay he said it with the upmost confidence thus emphasising to me the depths to his delusion.

At least Patrick Bateman worked out, took care of his skin, and actually had good facial genetics for him to successfully pursue life as a narcissist, but this guy had the face of a 4, thought he was a gift from god, and would lash out when I wouldn’t give him a compliment after he was fishing for one, yes he got feelings for me and it was messy af.

Moral of the story, fuck like a narcissist, don’t fuck with a narcissist.

>>2644216
It’s easier to confront what homosexual tendencies you have and learn to get comfortable whilst actively rejecting them rather than actively rejecting them and staying ignorant to your own desires (which by the sounds of it, sounds like you’re pursuing whilst acknowledging the risk of getting caught by your significant other leading to huge ramifications which may in of itself also be a kink which you wouldn’t have realised if you was to stay ignorant regarding your homosexual activities)

It’s all love bro, just trying to help you be the best you

One bisexual step at a time

>>2644235
That sounds annoying, but also kind of funny lol. Personally, I find that sort of cocky, almost arrogant confidence sexy when coming from guys who are hot enough to back it up. Otherwise it's just cringeworthy

>>2644237
Actually it’s is easiest to be honest. Im not attracted to men romantically or physically. I just like the intesity they apply in getting me off. I’m not going to apply labels to myself to please some anon faggot on 4chan

>>2644313
You're such a faggot.

As a straight-seeming gay man I also refuse to come out of the closet due to the hideousness of present-day lgbtbbq culture, Christ.

I refuse to be associated with any of that shit. I also work at the gym, and everyone around me, even the straight-seeming gays, come across as total manwhores.

I don't like the vanity of gay culture. I just don't. The concept of attraction pisses me off. The only good thing about it, is variety.

>>2644340
Meanwhile, here I am, also straight-seeming, wishing I worked at a gym just so I could be a total slut and fuck all the manwhore hunks. Funny how these things are

>>2644340
Same thing here. I really don't want to be associated with the catgender, demisexual, "you don't need dysphoria to be trans", kink at pride degenerates.
I'm just a gay dude who likes dick. That is all. I have nothing in common with them.

Hell, I can't even relate to mainstream gay culture. And the cunts who call me a "fake gay" just because I'm not exactly like them, as if there's only one way to be a gay man, drive me crazy.

>>2644340
Just so you know, you can be gay without subscribing to that mentality. It's actually pretty hilarious when you tell someone you're married to a man and they get upset you don't spout their lgbtq talking points. You love dick and most people really don't give a shit. Grow a pair

>>2644313
You’re not attracted to men “physically” yet you’re “physically” attracted to the act of a man rubbing your cock?…

I’m done trying to show you reality, with some people you can’t fix stupid lmao.

>>2644401
I still won’t understand gay marriage though…

Where mainstream gays got the idea “let’s hijack that famous Christian mating ceremony from the Christians by gaslighting the world to think marriage is only about falling in love and staying ignorant to the Christian belief that I’ll burn in hell for not repenting my homosexuality woooo rainbows” -_-

Whether you’re religious or not, you can’t deny that it’s crazy this actually happened.

Next stop, I’m going to start a movement in the Middle East to convince Muslims that Islamic marriage is actually just a love ceremony and that it doesn’t matter the sex of the person, and that Allah won’t send me and my husband to hell because he’s all forgiving…

Wish me luck!

>>2644411

My marriage has nothing to do with Christian or Islam.

It is about making sure that the police, lawyers, and government (whatever religion they are) do not randomly and forcibly takeover/split our (financial) assets. That our children can actually live with either/both of us. That we can visit each other in healthcare/emergency situations, and make decisions for each other. That should anything bad happens, we don't have to go through extra legal steps and audits for inheritence and other considerations.

Religion can be one important thing, but it is not for us.

Another is having all the legally recognized rights for the framework of a 'marriage' or 'family'. One which everyone can enjoy, unless you are LGBTQI+.

>>2644413
Except Christians don't own the concept of marriage and family. It's not exclusive to religion at all.

>>2644411
But that’s the point, because laws were never initially associated with marriage, because they were only associated with marriage after the introduction of divorce.

Meaning essentially all marital laws were created to further enable the initiation and proceeding of divorce.

So considering that, the reasons you listed for ultimately pursuing marriage was to be given the right to divorce no?

>>2644415
That’s not quite true.

Christians own the right to marriage because Christians invented their own marital laws, this is the same for most religions, religions founded marriage thus it belongs to them.

The difference being Christian marriage was hijacked by governments, attacking certain Christian marital beliefs to fit their own narrative (enabling divorce to aid to the economy).

Then after governments did it, individuals started attacking certain Christian marital beliefs to fit their own narrative (encouraging divorce to prioritise one’s own happiness over the family’s happiness).

Then attacking certain Christian marital beliefs to fit their own narrative once more after allowing same sex marriage to occur.

I think that’s why so many people can harbour hate about gay marriage, because marital law had already been attacked twice and gay marriage was the third time.

Whereas if the gay community liked the sound of marriage they could’ve created their own official ceremony, call it the ceremony of rainbows, and get it all passed through law to then have their own whole entire thing.

I think that would’ve also been a major breakthrough for homo-culture since it would’ve been the first culture to have implemented it’s own form of religious ceremony.

>>2644419
Except I wasn't referring to the Christian version of marriage.

I merely stated that they did not invent the very concept of marriage/handfasting/whatever you want to call it. Christians have their own version, as does any other major religion. Past or present.

There are even plenty of non-religious ceremonies where two people become a bonded pair, and are recognized as such by others.

>>2644422
Agreed, except it was religion which founded marital bonding ceremonies rather than one singular religion.

Whereas Christianity ultimately founded what is known as Christian marriage.

But the original point being, gay marriage isn’t separate from traditional Christian marriage because gay marriage used the foundation of Christian marriage to further alter the Christian belief of what marriage was supposed to be.

Rather than gay culture creating it’s own version completely separate of any religion as to not impede on it if that makes sense?

>>2641105
Awful legs, fucking awful

>>2644847
Who?

>>2644847
Source.

>>2644225
yap yap yap, you sound gay as fuck

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>>2624595
> was sucking off a handsome married guy regularly
> 40 years old tatted up, hairy, and bearded
> he used to come over after work once or twice a week and let me swallow his load
> i would get him super close to the edge and stop then eventually swallow
> eventually he started kissing me and spanking my ass. said his wife never sucked his dick.

> last time i saw him i got him close, then he forcefully turned me around and bred my ass, left me dripping with cum
> never heard from him again guess it freaked him out but i know it was the better than what he got at home.
> pic not him but he looked very similar.

>>2646198
>> eventually he started kissing me and spanking my ass. said his wife never sucked his dick.
While a lot of married guys I meet just say they want to experience cock every now and then, quite a few say they want to do things their wife never let them do to them. Oral, swallowing mostly.

I met one guy (actually well known in his field) quickly to give him a BJ and I swallowed. He emailed me a week later and said he was coming back to town and wanted to meet up and he said I was going to do all the things his wife would never do with him. I spent the night in his hotel room doing everything from oral/swallow, anal, rimming (both ways), water sports, facials, foot worship, spanking/bondage. We were exhausted come morning.

He had a contract in my city so he came back every week for three months and we'd have these marathon sessions when he was here.

>>2647414
>>2646198
Love straight boys

How can I let these str8 mens taste my dick irl, I am so tiresome of faggy twinks and shit.

>>2649876
Only in your dreams

This ain't a "I became gay" story, rather I made someone gay.

>Highschool
>Sophmore year
>Freshmen students get their lunches paired with ours
>There are these bullies, common push you around kinda guys
>New freshman, this scrawny guy, about maybe 97lbs in weight and looks like a perfect target
>They harass and push him like a wet rag
>He usually has dirt or blemishes because he spends every lunch and inter period getting picked on
>One day these guys and I cross paths while they picked on him
>Not my problem but they think I'll snitch
>Decide to push me around
>I'm not a confrontational kid
>He pushes me and I snap, instant right hook like my dad taught me
>He's on the ground bleeding from his mouth
>Other guys back off
>He sits there stunned and I say to get lost
>They bolt and I stand there with the freshman
>I help him up and ask him if he's OK
>Says yes and I go on about my day, telling him that if he wants to avoid them to take the security guards route
>Go on about my way to class
>News gets around that I punched the bully kid
>I become popular for a bout a week
>Get some new friends
>Ffw about 3 weeks in
>Freshman sits with me at lunch
>Friends went outside of school to get stuff from the convenience store
>He and I are alone
>Decide to break the ice and ask if he's been doing good
>Says yes and looks shy
>His face is all red and can't look at me
>I figure out that I must've made him like me cause I saved him and looked like I could protect him
>Tell him straight up that I'm not gay, I know that he likes me
>He looks like he's going to cry
>Then say that while I'm not, I can still have him around, so he doesn't get picked on
>He cheers up a bit and we stay as friends till graduation

He was like a puppy throughout highschool, and he would follow me everywhere. He even spotted me whenever we hung out after school for drinks or snacks. Even tho I didn't like him, he took it well. I kinda wanna shoot myself in the foot cause he was cute.

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I fucked this little fucker 2 days ago, he told me that he got a kick out of people treating his body like trash. I went to get him in my truck, stripped him naked and covered his mouth with his own shirt, tied him up with his belt and put a vibrating bullet in his ass, every so often I would activate the toy until I got home, where I stepped on him, kicked him and abused his mouth. I went to the kitchen and got a beer which I let him empty in his ass, after that I started fucking him (the sensation felt really good) after finishing I stepped on his head and threw the condom in his face. I lied to him that I would take it off during penetration (I really didn't, I don't want his shitty diseases on me) and his face lit up. I put a garbage bag over his head and put him in my truck with his stuff. I left him in the middle of a vacant lot, naked and with his stuff, after that I left and now we are organizing to have another meeting.

>>2649959

You could have been banging twink pussy for three years in high school, dummy.

>>2624752
Guys like this are so fucking hot, like beefy build but not, turns me on so bad

>>2644178
Sauce for this please oml

>>2644419
Nobody who bases their life on the notion of an invisible sky fairy owns jack shit. STFU.

You own the right to go to hell...and you LOVE IT. Now GTFO.

>>2644411
Next stop you're going to make more useless comments on 4chan as you don't leave your mama's basement! Good luck!

>>2644407
What do you do with yourself, since you are admittedly unrepairable?

>>2644313
Labels are low-resolution thinking.

>>2624595
Worked with a guy who had played football in the Big 10. He was built, manly, married. Made a move on me in the warehouse.

>>2625832
I think it should be pretty obvious it's not genetic because if it were there would be identical twin studies that prove it without a shadow of a doubt.

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>>2652988
>I think it should be pretty obvious
and that's why you're on 4chan instead of a professor of sociology pic relarted

>>2653108
Me sandwiched between these Gods

>>2641574
There's plenty of people that get outed through these apps BTW. Never forget gay guys that at out don't have a need to keep your secret

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>>2650209
Love fag bashing like this. It’s the best, did it before with a few twinks

>>2624595
I'm a slight, nerdy accountant, 25, gay but closeted and applied for an accounting job at a construction company. Interviewed with the owner, 50's, bulky like he used to do the hard work, now just supervises. 6", 250#, beard. rough around the edges. A "man's man". Didn't get the job because they wanted someone with construction experience.

Week later he calls and asks if I can meet him for a drink. I figure maybe he reconsidered and I'm getting the job. Meet him and he tells me I gave off a "gay vibe" and asked if maybe I'd like to hook up. Noped it out of there since I was thinking about the job and was disappointed. He called the next day and apologized. Not sure what I was thinking but agreed to meet him for another drink and ended up hooking up with him.

>>2655600
kind of shitty he led you on with the fake job offer but at least you got that daddy bear dick

>>2641574
... out and about "like a village whore"... Sure, Jan. And how is Vladimir these days, anyway? Oh, dear, died on the front in Ukraine, you say? Oh dear. And how's Igor, then? Oh dear. Died of AIDS because it turned out Rooty-Pu was lying about giving you medication for being deployed to Ukraine, you say? Oh dear, oh dear.

Well, anyway. I'm going off for brunch - lots to do if I'm to accomplish the gay agenda before it's time to clock out. After all, hypersexuality is the core of my identity, according to Russian bullshit artists.

And moron virgins.

>>2654759
Since fascism is on the rise, we definitely have an incentive to undermine them. Loudly - LOUDLY - out all the down-low vermin. Make sure that it's all documented so that the Nat-Cs will kill their own closet cases first. Make sure there is no closet remaining. They don't get to hide in there while taking advantage of all the liberty that we had to suffer for and earn. They don't get to have it both ways. They either come out of the closet and help voluntarily, or they get outted so that their safety is just as at-risk as ours is. They don't like that? Maybe they should have had the courage to stand with us in the first place, instead of playing Pick Me from behind the sock drawer.

It's like a gay version of the 4B bullshit that the cis-hets are doing.

No more closets. For anyone. And the massive spike in Grindr use during Republic conventions is proof we should have been doing it all along. The closeted down-lows should be very very FUCKING grateful that we'd go this route first.

>>2644340
>>2644374
It's good to see some like minded homos who are sick of these alphabet cultist freaks that have turned being gay into a competition where the biggest fucking clown wins, it just fucking pisses me off.

What exactly makes a straight-seeming gay man less gay than a total fucking faggot fruitcake whose entire personality is "I suck dick and watch RuPaul's drag race" and is a day away from being tricked by discord trannies into taking hormones?

The answer is nothing, we just don't feel the need to advertise who we fuck and we don't care for any of the fucking circus that is the modern lgbtqwhateverthefuck community.

So keep being you bros, you can be straight-seeming without feeling pressured into being a total degenerate fairy by those freaks.

Next to my house is a big cattle ranch. It’s run by the son of the guy who owns it. They’re definitely the ranch type, boots, hat, jeans 24/7. Married, has a couple kids. Don’t really know the guy, but definitely see him out there.
Last year in the early spring I see a post on sniffies. No picture, discreet, DL, vers looking for a regular, no strings. He’s close by so I hit them up. Dude starts sending pics, great ass, nice cut cock. I see the boots and jeans in the photos. After a series of messages over several weeks we agree to meet. Literally my neighbor. He has over 100 acres and a trailer that sits on the far side of his property walking distance from my house. Never would have thought. But he sucks a mean dick, takes a dick like a champ, knows how to fuck an ass (definitely not his first time) and is horny all the time. It’s great. I haven’t looked for another hookup since.

>>2624595
Became pretty good friends with a guy in college. He was the type that could pull any girl he wanted because of his looks and personality. Never without a girlfriend. He knew I was bi but we never discussed it. A few years later he broke up with the girl he was living with and stayed at my house. One night we got pretty drunk and I gave him a blow job (bro job) and he surprised me by reciprocating. Never thought he'd do that since he was as straight as a rail.

>>2624595

I had a str8 latino thug from doublelist come over. All he had was a pic of his long hairy dick that he's never trimmed in his life. I had no idea what he was gonna look like but i was drunk and really needed it. showed up, had a long latin moustache with scruff, slim, tattoos everywhere, smelt like weed & construction, hood over his head , was dark played with my ass while i sucked his huge dick that smelt musty & amazing like a gym locker room. he just used his spit for lube and shoved it in. luckily i still had 'cream' that you get right after douching (if you know you know) so that helped but it really hurt. thank God i was drunk because he was hitting that second door over and over again. the amazing thing about latin guys is they will nut multiple times easily over and over again so the first nut was pretty quick which he seemed a bit shocked and embarrassed about. this usually happens with dl trades because i have a fat ass with a tight pink feminine bussy and they literally go crazy. so his big breeding stick flooded me and he mumbled "shit" and did not want to pull out. so he kept pounding back and forth while i twerked and did some kegels which i could tell probably made his eyes roll back. eventually picked up the pace and started pounding again for round 2. the fat nut he left in me made a squish sound which made him nut again really fast. and he grunted this time. he pulled out and his seed dripped all over his boxers so he rushed to my shower (without asking) and started scrubbing like crazy out of paranoia. i didn't even shit on him, i was perfectly clean and his own nut got on his boxers and he still freaked out and threw his boxers away. he was taking a long shower running my water bill up and i had his boxers on my face in heaven, then randomly came back in my room saw the boxers on my face, no towel so dripping water everywhere and said "turn around" and shoved his cock really hard which made me yelp then gave me a 3rd nut.

>>2656828
Did you keep his underwear?

>>2654989
OMG SAUCE NAO PLS OMG

There's a guy at my work who one time caught me looking at gay porn ob my phone. Now every time he sees me looking at him he touches his crotch soon after. What does it mean?

>>2657616
he wants you anon

>>2657616
Sounds like a larp

>>2657629
He has a girlfriend

He is also the hottest person at my job. Tall, blond and white with green eyes.

Not to mention that he's also a fitness trainer.

>>2657616
>Now every time he sees me looking at him he touches his crotch soon after. What does it mean?

>>2657688
>Not to mention that he's also a fitness trainer.

There's your answer... jock itch.

>>2644374
Jesus, I feel like I could have wrote this.
grew up rural and gay as hell and I just cannot relate to gay men and the community at large. None of my interests align. It's alienating, but I've found some redneck fag friends, so things are looking up.
I wish I could be the gay the gays want me to be, but I just can't. Like you said perfectly, "I'm just a dude who likes dick."

>>2647414
Married dudes faces as they look down at you in shock as you're swallowing their load is great. You can always tell when it's been a while, they get all teen boy excited.
Then I just keep sucking, cause wives never do that shit either.
To all the lazy wives not draining their hubbys and pushing them out into the open market, much love, sisters.

I feel like you guys are more stereotypically gay than you like to imagine because you're being a huge drama queen right now. The gay community absolutely doesn't care if you're straight acting, in fact those types of guys are actively pursued by the "typical" gays

>>2657706
>jock itch.
I don't think so. He does it with regular clothes.

>>2644048 who is this? does anyone have the sauce?

>>2657712
It doesn't go away just because you changed clothes.

Next he's rubbing, just say "Jock itch?"

>>2627746
That's exactly what the guy who caught me looking at gay porn does every time he sees me looking at him

>>2640200
Sauce?