We’ve all seen those guys around who seem totally straight but end up in Cruisy spots, gay bars or on Grindr. Might be bi, who knows? Stories are good too.
>>2624595Nice roll anon but with respect I'm not sure your thesis totally stacks up. I think there are plenty of men who have sex with men who might not identify as homo or even bi. But I get what you are suggesting in your pics: scruffy dudes that look like someone you know
>>2624845>plenty of men who have sex with men who might not identify as homo or even biImagine needing to do mental gymnastics to this degree just to not understand PENIS INSIDE MAN CAUSING YOU ENJOYMENT MEANS HOMOSEXUAL. BISEXUAL MEANS YOU HARBOUR BOTH HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL IMPULSES.That's it. Nothing else. No "uhh, I don't go to pride parades and I am not like, sentimentally attached to dudes soooooo not gay obviously", no nothing. You are male. You fuck a man. You enjoy it. GAY.It's like watching all the effort put into inclusivity eat itself through sheer stupidity.
>>2624846source?
>>2624595Honestly, the cleancut fratbro type, the kind of guys sites like sean cody and gayhoople used to get, is extremely rare to see in gay men.
>>2624893in love
>>2624846The association between "gay" as a personal identity and "gay culture" (which is only defined to include to parades, hypersexual debauchery and drug abuse... this is a concept only promulgated by fascists, it has no basis in either reputable academic research or among actual LGBT people. none. at all.) was intentionally and deliberately concocted by far-right culture warriors in an attempt to prevent non-cis-het people from coming out of the closet.In an era when gay rights were still trying to gain respect in politics. By preventing people from coming out, they could delegitimize non-cis-hey people, making them seem like just some obscure pervert fandom - and thus not worthy of equal rights.As a testament to how serious such social manipulation can be, this entirely false and insidious lie is still being spread today as you often see children and morons on 4chan repeat that lie.Just to clarify for the children who may be struggling to pay attention to a task longer than a TikTok video, being gay has nothing to do with what you wear, your hobbies, your speech impediment or lack thereof, it has nothing to do with whether you go to parades or bath houses.
>>2624900>... this is a concept only promulgated by fascistsoh, this again.
>>2624846Why does he not have toes?
>>2624900It’s the other way around. Gay culture and politics are dominated by insecure and effeminate gays who are constantly bitching and complaining about something. It’s a culture of perpetually condemning other people who are more normal. The bitchy gays always claim to speak for the broader community of those who are same sex attracted. There’s more guys who have sex with other guys than there are gays who identify with the gay culture. Gays dont speak for or represent MSM men any more than MSM men speak for gays. Im guessing the OP is getting at that important difference. Why cant we all stop policing how each other feels identifies and expresses themselves?BTW it is always the extremists who ruin things for those at the center. This is a case in point. So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?
>>2624893yes because a large portion of them were bi or g4p
>>2624916low light, so the camera had trouble capturing detail, and it also did some aggressive noise reduction. whoopsie
>>2624595Not much of a story, but I worked in a large suburban office building. Four of the six floors were used by one large company with a well-known (as seen-on-TV and business section of the newspapers) CEO, handsome and manly looking. I was also friendly with the night guard (ex-military type) since I worked late a lot and would stop and chat about the game he was watching. One night I worked until about 11 at night, went down to the first floor and decided to hit the rest room before my long ride home. Walk in and the guard is on his knees blowing the CEO. I mean, not even in a fucking stall. If you asked me to pick out to gay/bi guys in the entire building, they would not be on the top 100 list.
>>2624933> If you asked me to pick out to gay/bi guys in the entire building, they would not be on the top 100 listthis is why "you can always tell" is such a huge logical error people make all the time. you don't know what you don't knowhowever good your gaydar may be, it's not as good as you think it is. while false positives may be rare (and also unverifiable much of the time), false negatives are undetectable by definition. this also applies to clocking trans people, plastic surgery, etc
>>2624965Yeah, not that guy but I agree. I just assume everyone is straight unless they're like super gay
>>2624920>So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?It’s because you’re not gay enough. It’s like a LARPER proclaiming to be Christian despite not having been baptized. You do not get to claim the label nor can you speak for a group you aren’t a part of.
Tbqh it's not pc to point out but str8 men have a kind of effortless masculinity that gay men lack no matter how masc seeming they present
College town bar about ten years ago.There on my own. Start talking to blond blue collar type (like in picrel). Talking and drinking all night. All him if he wants to come to my place (drink more, crash out). Crash out / fool around in my bed. He's totally casual about it all. I ask him to tie my hands above my head while I suck him off. By now it's afternoon of the next day. He has the day off but I have to go do a quick audio setup that will take a couple of hours. Ask him to wait for me which he does. (At the audio job my buddy says I "smell like sex"). Anyhow overall it was a really nice time with strong level of trust. He was so laid back about the entire thing. Didn't see each other again but I saw him from a distance at local grocery store in shorts and tank top.
>>2624893premium faggotry
>>2624920You are not some centrist, you are not anti-extremist or level headed. You are a faggot that is crippled by societal anxiety of being perceived as X or Y and you simply HAVE to obsessively clean yourself of assumptions of any kind, because other people's opinions of you dictate everything you do.So much so that you have to put down other people sharing the struggles that you have because you want to be "more normal", whatever the fuck that means in this day and age.You are a failure for all sides of the spectrum, and nobody wants to be associated with your kind of retardation. Don't confuse it for "the other way around.", because at least extremists on both sides have the balls to have beliefs, and centrists have the peace of mind to not care for whatever way the wave pushes. You have none of those traits to your name, which probably means you are stuck in some third world shithole where they beat being a spineless nobody into you from birth.
>>2624845>>2624900Shut the fuck uuuup loser dear GOD. You do realise that you are absolutely insufferable right? You're larping as...an intelligent person (I guess?) but if you were as intelligent as you are pretending you'd be self aware enough to know not a single person cares about your weird little takes. Not online. Not IRL. I didn't even read all that shit but I can hear your annoying nasal faggot voice from here.
>>2624607you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round
>>2624920Maam this is a porn forum
>>2624980Yup. A lifetime in the gym and all the body hair you can get will never compensate in masculinity what a straight man has automatically.
>>2625082Lots of dudes into dudes are into the faggy gay scene. About a third of American men have had sex with another man. But only 3% are “gay”. So the gays are out of touch with the very men they claim to represent. Everything else you wrote is pure projection by an insecure fem.
Don't really understand what y'all arguing about but I'll throw some wood on the fire anyhow:HOMOSEXUALITY as a so-called condition is an invention of the 19th century medico- psychiatric complex (see Foucault).CAMPNESS as equated to GAYNESS is a cultural construct of the 1940s-50s based on framing gay as "inversion" (receptive femme to the insertive masc). Gay as camp portrayed in popular culture. (This "feminine" conception of gayness also drives the persecution of gay men in masculine driven cultures such as in parts of the middle east and Africa because it threatens the dominant hard masculine hegemony.)HYPERMASC appropriated by gay culture as a fetish identity (see Tom of Finland 1940s onwards soldier fetish and then bikers fetish) and 1970-80s gay "clone" culture (moustache muscles jeans). Also Athletic Model Guild 1945+ & Physique Pictorial muscle mag 1951+ and fetishism of skinheads in German gay porn in 1990s.Meanwhile men have been having sex with other males since time immemorial:ANCIENT GREEK same sex mentorship (also idealised in ROMAN EMPIRE).RITUALISED HOMOSEXUALITY for coming of age, and in battle rituals in premodern tribal cultures across Melanesia, also in premodern Japan.SITUATIONAL HOMOSEXUALITY in all male environments such as prisons, barracks, convict ships and probably slave ships. And don't forget monasteries and boarding schools.
>>2624980isnt this "just" the lack of the anxiety that automatically comes with being gay
>>2625419Knowing that you are different from the other boys from a young age, trying to hide this part of your identity, naturally causes a form of trauma that straight men and straight boys don't experience. They can express their whole selves in a way that aligns with what is celebrated in society especially if they are extroverted and physically proficient at sports etc. Being different (gay, bi, especially if introverted) requires hiding a key aspect of your self all through childhood and adolescence or else face the consequences often leading to internalised homophobia.Maturity might bring self acceptance mixed with shame, anger at the world, depression and anxiety. Always wondering if people will judge you The solution is self compassion, knowing that you are NOT to blame for the discrimination you have faced all your life. And either a forgiving attitude if you can muster it, or an attitude of: who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks.It's easy to envy that sense of sociality that seems to characterise straight male camaraderie, hence the fetishism of homosocial environments in gay porn (locker rooms, sporting gear).
>>2624762Jeez
>>2624600LOL that hole has had more men in it than the grand Central Station bathroom
>>2624900Boy are you wrong. The many GAY Archives libraries across the country will show you what "gay culture" is, and it yes, includes Pride parades, but also authors such as Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, lyricists such as Cole Porter; activists such as Harvey Milk, Barney Frank, & Michael Signorile; actors, athletes, entertainers, and every other profession, all add to "Gay Culture" in tiny ways. The Bear Culture is nothing like what you discuss & is a large component of the "Gay" world nowadays
>>2624965>this also applies to clocking trans peopleMUCH less common being wrong about clocking trannies.
>>2624920>So a regular guy wants a place for pics of the other regular guys he’s into? Why is he less free to express himself than the gays?"The Gays" ARE "Regular guys" That's not even the thread topic; it's "guys you would never guess are gay" meaning those who "seem" straight
>>2625391Good grief you are retarded. It was clear from the get go, but every time you say anything it becomes so much more tangible.Stay away from people, please. Do them a favour.
>>2625322kek>>2625411wrong and revisionist generally all around
>>2625391>a third of American men have had sex with another manthe rest of your post is retarded but this is the foam helmet crown
>>2625760kek exactly
>>2625760That's probably not far off since it includes any male who has experimented when they were young. In reality, it's probably more like 6% of adult males.
>>2625430>Americans inventing fake social problems boohoo muh self-expression
Summary so far:Guys aged in their thirties who are scruffy look straight but they're doing homo things.Therefore they *are* gay.Gay *culture* is or isn't designed to oppress gays.Outspoken gays don't represent downlow homos.Homo is a psychological trope but also an anthropological behaviour.Straight men are naturally masculine in a way gays can never be except by copying.THEREFORE (these comments would imply) you can always tell when gay isn't straight but you can't tell when straight is gay.This is like phrenology for gayness.
Beliefs about the Etiology of Homosexuality and about the Ramifications of Discovering Its Possible Genetic Origin>Homosexuality is viewed by many as a social problem. As such, there has been keen interest in elucidating the origins of homosexuality among many scholars, from anthropologists to zoologists, psychologists to theologians. Research has shown that those who believe sexual orientation is inborn are more likely to have tolerant attitudes toward gay men and lesbians, whereas those who believe it is a choice have less tolerant attitudeshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4545255/
Robert Reed, the actor who played the patriarch Mike Brady in the popular 1970s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” was openly gay. In 1993, after Reed’s death, his co-star Barry Williams, who played Greg Brady, revealed that Reed was gay. Williams stated that Reed had confided in him about his sexuality and that he had known about it for many years.
>>2625965Who is this?
>>2624913Yep he's another annoying activist. I'm pretty sure he goes by gays for Palestine too
>>2627959Got more of him?
>>2627967
>>2628018Moar?
>>2624933Hot. Did you get involved?
>>2624595i think my dad might be gay, or bi idk
>>2629714what makes you think that?t. bi dad making sure I'm not giving off those clues
>>2624599Nice
>>2627481would
>>2627481He beautiful,name?
>>2624595Used to work with a guy who was pretty macho... beautiful wife, two kids who he coached in soccer, managerial position. One day he mentioned "gay dogging" and I asked what that was. He went into a long description of it and then explained where a good spot was if you wanted to watch gay guys. He just seemed to know so much more than a straight guy would... where to park, which direction your car should face, best times, etc...
>>2630298>gay doggingwhat is that?
>>2630299dogging but gay
>>2630299having or watching sex in a public place
>>2625824Everything he said is spot on thoughHow tf are you on this board and unable to relate
>>2629756Getting a boner at the sight of a sexy man
>>2630864Reminds me of the Muslim guy I met back in snapchat. Taught me how to finger my bum. I miss those days.
>>2631681your bum? why do you seem scared to say ass?
>>2631682No because I was 14 at the time. So I only got a bum.
>>2631684>teenager gets epi'd and groomed into faggotryMany. Such. Cases.
>>2624595I do like some "straight-passing" gay guys who are closeted or on the down-low. Not a fan of the ones who are married to women though, too much baggage and I don't like cheating. Religious self-hating guys are a headache too. Stereotypes can be funny, I've been duped by feminine straight guys before. My gaydar is trash, so I can almost never tell who's gay or who's straight so all gays are under the radar to me lol.
>>2633977I wish I hadn't gotten married so I could still fuck around with guys without the guilt and baggage. I'm pretty comfortable with identity of being bi but man I miss sucking cock and my wife is not into that at all.
>>2633977Met a cute guy at a sex on premises gay daytime cruise lounge. He was really into kissing and oral. I saw him again but he said none of his friends or family knew he went with guys. I found it confronting because I liked him but couldn't handle being responsible for upkeeping his secret.
>>2634660That's hot though, could you imagine coming up on a dude and his family and friends and his fucking cum is in you? Like that shit is a fucking fetish right there. Just him holding his wife's hand and making eye contact with her while her husband's cum is in my stomach.
>Work in a blue collar job, fixing industrial equipment (factory machinery and the like)>Not really out at work, but not hiding it either>Get some shit for it, but it's manageable>We travel around on a maintenance schedule, but also get called out on a short notice too, these machines when they break down it costs a shitton of money for the company for every second>One time I have to fill in for a college who is sick, as one of the factories on his regular routes has an industrial crane that need fixing asap>Go in start working, with the floor's foreman hanging out to constantly inform management about how things are going as they are shitting bricks>He is an older guy, early fifties, a bit stocky but well built and really friendly>Asks a lot of questions about the job, jokes around about how he needs a change.>Gets close, wants me to point out what I am working on with the hydraulics, what could have caused the fuckup etc.>I literally have no clue at this point about what's going on, he has 0 gay vibes and this is a fucking factory>Suddenly as I stand up to take a swig from my water he steps in and grabs onto my crotch through my coveralls>It's not a fucking porno, I don't get hard, I just stare at him in total shock>He stares back, than I can see him starting to panic>Find my voice and tell him, I need to finish this, but I can answer questions later (I remember that vividly as it was such a fucking retarded thing to say)>He nods and hurries off, still panicked
>>2635805(Cont.)>Finish up with my job, and phone my boss that I am done and to tell it to the factory management, even had to make up something about why the guy is not the one telling them >wash up a little and leave, thinking he just ran away or something>he is waiting for me at the parking lot>its pretty deserted, but still not exactly hidden>he doesn't give a fuck, blows me right there in the cover of the door of my pick-up truck>never really says anything just grunts and moans around my dick as he rubs himself off through his pants >he says goodbye without looking me in the eye as he hurries back>never see him again>never asked my co-worker if he talked about me being a homo, or this guy just had some incredible gaydar
>>2624603>inb4 "having a fag" joke
>>2625446>Tyler SaintForever sad he never did bareback but holy shit he knows how to fuck
>>2627739I finally understand how people get kidnapped by serial killers. I'd get in this car so fast!
>>2624595>Might be biLmaoThe majority of guys fucking guys are bi. Are you not all being hit up by bi fellas at the time?
I’ve been in an under the radar total cock loving faggot my entire life. Sucked my first dick in elementary school. Then had a (sort of) friend I’d jerk and suck off when I was in high school. First guy I fucked was a fag from college who used to hang out. Last week of college before heading home, I lured him into my dorm and we fucked all night. Few years later I discovered Craigslist and eventually Grindr. I’ll find a DL or married guy and fuck them in secrecy for as long as they’re down. I’ve always had girlfriends. Even almost got married. But I’ve never stopped sucking dicks, topping ass and taking loads. I could never have a boyfriend, or be “out” that’s gross. But I sure do love fucking men, and doing it as a secret is half the turn on.
>>2636191Hot anon - totally get you situation.I’m bi I guess, not really into fucking but love cock and hairy asses. Could never hv a boyfriend but live for cock and fucking my missus
