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**Art Supply Thread: Copic discontinued all the SP replacement nibs except for the 0.3 one Edition**
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>>7121414
what's a good knead eraser?
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are there any specific makes or models of decent drafting/drawing tables? i know fuck all about the art world, but i'd love a tilting table like that for maps and occasional drafting.
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>>7121651
Are you sure you don't just want a desktop drawing board?
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>>7121669
i'm not sure. i'd want it to be large enough for big maps and my desk is currently pretty small and i've always got my monitor and keyboard on it. i found this one that seems pretty nice unlike some others that i've seen that look like glorified tv dinner trays.
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when am i supposed to change my dip pen nib?
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>>7121713
When the tines break or bend and don't reset on their own.
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>>7121651
just find any vintage solid wood table. brand is irrelevant.
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>>7121602
Avoid Prismacolor like the plague, They're unusable and come rock hard fresh out the package. this is a well known problem that Prismacolor still hasn't fixed. I hear Faber-Castell is good. General is also good from what I remember. Just never buy Prismacolor.
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>>7121602
Faber castell is alright.

I'd stay away from the latex-free ones.

>>7121713
Definitely not at every drawing like some dudes do. A nib can last for a while.
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>>7122114
Shit I was looking at prisma too thanks
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>>7122013
i'd like it to tilt.
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Please talk me out of buying Palomino Blackwings
Please tell me any old soft lead pencil is just as good
Please stop me
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Does anyone know how this style of coloring is done?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jumping-flash/images/e/ef/JF2World6-1conceptartstevenmoore.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140411205254
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jumping-flash/images/2/20/JF2World6-1toothpasteconceptart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140411205514
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jumping-flash/images/1/14/JF2World2-1conceptart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140411202208
As well as pic related. I can't tell if its watercolor, markers (copic?), or both.
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>>7122489
Tried out some Staedtlers at the art supply store the other day and those felt good to work with. Mitsubishi is nice too (though I've only used the 9800s and not the Hi-Uni's). I'd try some of the other artists grade brands first before a blackwing, You might not need that much more.
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>>7122114
Really? I always get prismacolor and it's been fine, but I buy in person so if they were rotten I would be able to tell.
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>>7122524
Most likely markers. Either alcohol or watercolor ones like Tombow.
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>>7122616
The one I ordered felt like hard rubber and tore itself in two when I stretched it, It was actually painful to try and knead it. And when I looked to see if it was just me I found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4YkzLZofk
Basically every person in the comments had the same thing happen to them. Prismacolor just has no quality control when it comes to their erasers.
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>>7122616
I would also reccomend Faber Castell over Prismacolor. The FB one has its little case and everything, it's bigger and feels softer. The prismacolor one was okay at first but it gets hard too son imo.
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>>7122387
put a book under the legs
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I got a new pen!!

…but I don’t know how to use it
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>>7123218
I've seen this before, the trick is to get it out of the little plastic package
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>>7123218
>Doesn't know how to use a tool before using it for the first time

Absolute fucking loser
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>>7123218
just B UR SELF
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>>7123218
I have the same exact one!

At first I stupidly tried using it like a normal pen but it's so sensetive that the lines will look like picrel (made a year ago)
Then I tried chinese challigraphy since it's best suited to it, but now I just use it to fill in spaces, or if I feel like a fineliner is too "fine" and I want thicker, more disorienting lines.

>>7123250
I think you should try as many mediums/pens/whatever as possible. Simply because you'll never truly know what something is, or how to apply it to your art unless you try it.
And if you use something wrongly: whatever! As long as the art turns out good.
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>>7123218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLKkwwuAAUc
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I always used Microns but then I used a Unipin. Never going back
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>>7123286
>fat lil birb
dang this is hard to use
Are there any good videos or exercises to get the hang of it?
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>>7121602
>>7122114
This is the best
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>>7122489
Japanese Mitsubishi hi-uni Pencil is just as dark as Palomino Blackwings at the half the price. You are just supporting American Jews buying American Palomino.
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>>7123496

Can’t get mitsubishi pencils in Yurop
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>>7123655
https://cultpens.com/products/mitsubishi-hi-uni-pencil
>inb4 uk isn't europe.
https://www.adam-eshop.com/en/hi-uni-pencils-shop-france/6239-crayon-mitsubishi-pencils-art-set-france.html
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>>7123667
it literally isn't
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>>7123667
both of those are like 25% more expensive than a blackwing
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>>7123667

ordering from the uk to an EU cunt adds taxes and customs, might as well import them from wherever else then, making blackwings the far less expensive choice.
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>>7123352
>videos or exercises
Probably, I didn't think about that, I just drew!
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>>7123984
Granted, there's some specialist techniques for chineese/japanese challigraphy, but I've no idea how you would apply that to actual drawing (unless it's a certain style or whatever)
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>>7123218
Look for brush inking tutorials. It's a delicate tool, you need to grow a good hand to use it well.
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>>7123218
>>7123352
That one can be such a bitch to use. Like >>7123286 said I would use it to fill big areas. It's quite hard to do consistent lines with it.
I find the one that Gi used way better because if you want more ink to flow you just squeeze it. I like to use it when it's almost dry.
https://youtu.be/30_IDH1TzFs?si=wsA9VK8meXBbG3QB&t=131
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I bought acrylic gouaches for mini painting and I love how smooth and matte they are.
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>>7124175
wouldn't acrylic gouache be less matte than gouache?
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>>7124058
interdasting. They seem cheap, I might grab one
Is that the medium tip one?
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>>7124217
I think matte is the idea of acrylic gouache compared to regular acrylic
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>>7124250
Yep, medium size.
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>>7124058
There's a couple of things to consider.

KJG used the finest tips he could, it wouldn't surprise me that he manually removed bristles from the brushes before using them. But you have to know what you're doing to know what to take out from them.
Medium might be overkill if you're using the brush in your sketchbook or even A4 sized paper. Brushes in general work better in bigger paper, due to the type of lines they use.
Also, these brush pens are constantly feeding ink to the bristles, so they're always using all of the ink they can. If you hold them with the tip pointing upwards for a bit, you'll stop the feeding process for a while, or slow it down so you don't get all of the ink on the bristles. This could help with the chaotic, uncontrollable lines, since you'd be using a little bit less ink instead of all of it.
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>>7121713
other question regarding pen nibs.

how do you prepare them before 1st use? acetone, or just wipe it with a wet cloth? I heard, that they put some coating on the nibs, which might make it harder to collect enough ink.
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>>7125169
The coat is made out of oils that prevent rust. 2 seconds under a normal lighter might burn them so the nib is usable. Do not clean them with water. Try to just wash them out. They will rust if you leave them in a humid environment. If the "teeth" of the nibs get rusty they can become unusable. Don't worry too much though, these things are disposable and in the heyday of dip pens they were sold in boxes with dozens of units.
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>>7125179
alright, thanks for the quick answer.
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Is there any pen and pencil guide out there detailing all the different types and what they’re used for? I’m just using picrel mechanical pencil
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>>7125208
I mean... There's not a real difference between mechanical pencils. Leads and their grades (H and B) make the difference. I'm gonna do a quick breakdown on them as best as I can though.

Your pic is a mechanical pencil with a metal exterior and plastic interiors. The length of the nib also indicates it's a drafting pencil: made for technical drawings and therefore easier to use with a ruler. The nib in the model you posted is extremely fragile and will bend if you drop it, potentially fucking up the pencil. You can't buy a replacement, you'd have to get a brand new pencil. These heavier pencils are made for engineers who make use of them every now and then when they need to do technical drawing with the aid of tools, like rulers. The extra weight helps to give you more certainty in that sort of line. However, it's not good for art. The weight will be tiring for you and it won't be comfortable to do the quick, sometimes short lines that you'd make while sketching. For mechanical pencils, I'd just recommend the good old Pentel P200 line, the Pentel Sharp ones. They are quite literally the best mechanical pencils you'll be able to use, cheap, easy to find, and built like a tank. They are made out of plastic parts but they're surprisingly sturdy. On average I'd say Pentel makes the best mechanical pencils, with the added value that their cheaper range of products is generally pretty damn good for what they are. As a side note, you'll find pencils with retractable tips for pocket use, don't go for them if you're an artist. ALL retractable tips wobble. ALL of them. They have to, because it's how the mechanism works. Avoid them, they aren't good for art.

I can't help you on the wooden pencil field outside of buying a 100 pack of Dixon Ticonderogas, Nª2 HB pencils. Neal Adams, one of my favorite artists of all time, once said "if a nº2 pencil is good for a secretary, it's good for me". Those words stuck with me and I refuse to use another brand.
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>>7125169
Some nibs work fine without cleaning, others benefits from a small cleaning. A bit of soap does the job.

It's a bit tricky though, sometimes you may think the nib is coated, but in fact it's your ink which is too thick.
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>>7125481
Soap can damage nibs though
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I bought 2 bottles of pic related to add details/correct mistakes in ink but the paint itself seems thin and not as opaque as I'd like it to be, even after shaking them. I have to put multiple coats down over the same area to get the results I want. Is this normal or did I get a bad batch? Is there a better brand that I should buy instead? Any help would be appreciated.
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>>7125222
Twsbi Precision doesn't wobble
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>>7122489
Fabre Castell 9000 and Staedtler Lumograph super-mog as a workhorse pencil.

Tombow Monos and Mitsubishi Hi-Uni mog as super-soft lead pencils.

Just no point. Also they’re ugly.
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>>7121602
faber-castell
>>7126290
you frigging dumbass lmao
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>>7126290
Apply another layer. White ink/paint is never truly opaque.
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I did the math
It's cheaper to fly to japan and buy a fuckton of copics in person than it is to buy them locally from amazon (that doesn't even stock them consistently)
Misery upon the earth by the means of import tax
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>>7126488
Colored pencil GODS win once more
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gonna become an ink CHAD
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>>7126488
order them from a proxy service, worked out to ~$3 per marker to get 180 of them. shipping took a week too.

Not all proxy services will ship them, biginjapan and dejapan (what i used) agreed to do it though.
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>>7125491
not as much as pushing them against paper
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>>7126918
>2 (two) crowquill (lmao) nibs
>chad
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>>7126939
i also ordered some gpens, what would you recommend. im new to nibs.
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>>7126945
I was mostly memeing
crowquills are kinda gay though
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>>7126951
i just heard finch say hunt 102 and thought I would try, unfortunately the g pen got backordered so they arent on my shipping slip
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>>7126952
note that a lot of the hunt shilling is years behind, they're shittier now
medium nibs do everything tubes do, but better imo, I genuinely don't know why anyone uses them
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>>7126952
>>7126958
although to be clear, it really doesn't matter at all if you're learning, the only thing that matters is that you match an ink to a nib and use good paper
wrong consistency ink will make the nip dump all of it or not let go, and thirsty paper will just make everything shitty
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>>7126963
i have strathmore bristol and mixed media (thirsty) for marker work and was hoping that would suffice initially. deleter 4 and carbon black are the inks.
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>>7126919
Shipping cost?
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>>7126988
it was $70 for the super fast JPost air service, it worked out to 2.89/marker including all proxy fees and shipping.
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>>7126488
or you could just man up.
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>>7127029
$70 for the markers and shipping, right?
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>>7126945
>>7126952
>>7126958
Hunt 102s USED to be the industry standard for comics. However, Hunt went out of business ages ago, Speedball bought its presses and they keep making them, in fact the nibs still say "hunt" on them. They are still decently usable, and they give you good flex for comic drawing. Japanese nibs are stiff, much more so than anything Speeball offers. I would reccomend a Hunt 102 over any japanese nib anyways, but that's up to you. If you live in the USA Speedball stuff is much more readily available and cheaper, I'd imagine. A lot of mangaka have ditched dip pens in favor of fineliners, or at the very least don't use dip pens exclusively for their work anymore. In the west, the standard is a brush for inking, and has been since the Golden Age days anyway.
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What paper should I use for each type of pen?
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>>7127135
For pens, anything that's as smooth as possible. Bristol is good. For brushes, you'll like something with more teeth.
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My aunty bought me these colour erasable pencils as a B-day gift. However, as I was swatching them, I noticed a double in 'Tuscan Red' and no brown. I thought eBay would be the best place for open stock, but holy hell! There's either no single browns, there's bundles and/or the P&P is absolutely ridiculous. I found an article on 'Muddy Colours' that Prismacolour are discontinuing them as open stock? I would really like to have found the 24 colours I don't have, too. Ugh, does anyone know where I can get any singles, or I don't know a good alternatives for erasable coloured pencils? UK based.
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Any fountain pen heads? I want more expressive (but not too expressive like brush pens) lines than fineliners give, thinking about taking the fountain pen pill. I like dip pens but they're kind of a hassle and not portable. Any good recommendations that aren't $40+?

>>7126488
>going through international arbitrage headache to spend hundreds of dollars on markers, half of which will dry out after a week
Like four tubes of good watercolor and a little color mixing knowledge will give you 80% of the same color gamut as those copics.
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>>7127321
Col-erase haven't been sold open stock since before the pandemic, they were all hoarded and scalped as soon as the discontinuation announcement too.

For alternatives, there really isn't any. Other brands marketed as eraseable kinda suck. However there's brands that are fine for sketching and eraseable even if not marketed as such, like Staedtler Norris and Bic Evolution.
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>>7127321
If you really want the extra colors you might do well to pay the toll and fetch a pack from jetpens, because the 24 color set is being discontinued too and there goes my beloved light peach.

There colors can still be purchased open stock. Red, blue and green. The accounting colors. Which is retarded because whomever is still doing accounting by hand is not gonna buy these when a box of the classic Dixon 400 costs the same as a single Prismacolor.

As a last resort there's eraseable Uni Nano-Dia color lead in 0.5 and 0.7, and it's great quality but only in 7 colors and brown isn't one of them.
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>>7127321
What's the difference between these and just using regular Prismas and an electric eraser that can reach the white of the paper?
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>>7127613
These erase as cleanly and easily as good quality hb lead.
Since their most common use is for watercolor under drawing, the last thing you wanna do is burn off the paper with an electric.

It's a gimmick, but a good one. As mentioned above some office-tier pencils that are not branded as eraseable like the Norris do erase just as easily.
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There actually are erasable Noris pencils. Don't know if they're any good.
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>Staedtler erasables don't sell in NA
>Prismacolor erasables don't sell in EU
So much for globalization. No wonder chinese pencils are eating up the market, they'll send their stuff to Uranus for $4 or less and take a week at most.
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>>7127653
I think there's no profit in it since most people will stick to their local shit and those that get memed into buying it are autistic enough to import it anyway
like I don't even buy bongoid shit, it's overpriced overmarketed garbage
japanese shit is 99,9% a meme outside of the readily available stuff
burger shit is either mediocre or stupidly overpriced because some company of 12 dudes in a barn slapped a "made in usa" sticker on it
it's exceedingly rare that there's a better alternative overseas to what I can find in a brick and mortar supply store in my shithole and even then it makes absolutely no sense for a non-professional to buy it
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>>7127484
Bear in mind that FP ink is mostly non archival, the ones that are are very few and usually more expensive. Also the ink won't be as juicy as india ink. You'll feel it's a bit more watery than what you use with dip pens.

Also, Lamy.
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>>7127534
I only got them last year, so didn't know. Sucks balls. Thanks for those brands, I'll look into them.

>>7127548
>24 pack is discontinued

I swear prisma is doing this on purpose. But, why?

I have the Pilot Uno, for very fine lines, but I find them too crispy for first/general sketching.

>>7127613
That usually ruins the paper and can make a mess of that area. It's also good for starting to learn colored pencil drawing, less pressure to get it right, when say a shoulder is out of proportion.

>>7127682
>12 dudes in a barn

Audible kek.
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>>7128108
M. Graham is literally 7 people iirc
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>>7127043
for gouache is the holbein 12 set sufficient or should I get the 18 or 24 pack?
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>>7128168
also can i use goauche on bristol so I can keep using ink and markers too and make my super gay mixed media comic a reality
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>>7128168
if you're asking, you don't know how to paint, so just get black and white
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>>7128172
im not doing tone studies when i have inks and charcoal for that.
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>>7128175
you don't know how to paint, retard
just get black and white
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>>7128178
no i dont think i will
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>>7128180
k, keep asking retarded questions instead of learning then
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>>7128183
ill just get a set and learn off that. cope and seethe.
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>>7126290
That's normal, if you want opaque you need a special formulation like this >>7126374
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Thanks to this board my dumbass learned that I can refill my "disposable" felt tip pens. Does anyone have any ink recommendations?
I have picrel on my wishlist for now.
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>>7128227
*picrel
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>>7128227
>dumbass
> felt tip pens
there are water, alcohol and acrylic based "felt tip pens" you mongoloid.

I'll assume you meant alcohol. Buy diye based inks on aliexpress for 1$ and mix it with alcohol. I refilled all my markers with grey tones from one single ink bottle, super cheap.

>>7128229
No.
If you want to refill a waterbrush with ink, it can't be "water resistant" due to the binder, which will dry inside the waterbrush.
Get the kuretake ink,or any non water resistant ink.
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>>7126958
I'm genuinely curious: crowquills are my goto. Other nibs don't hold as much ink, or aren't as versatile in terms of how thin/thick they can go. So the crowquill is actually the most efficient option.

They're also not that expensive, and so far last for a while.

>>7125491
Hm? I mean, fire can damage the nib too. There's a YT video somewhere with a guy testing various options. Never had issues with a bit of soap (not sure I even bothered uncoatting the last nibs actually, it's been a while)
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>>7128175
He's needlessly dismissive and agressive, but he's nevertheless correct: it' a good idea to start with black (or brown), to get a feel for how to handle the paint.

Sets are for almost always a bad idea. You want to understand what paint you need/want.

Both of those are basic /int/ skilled-painter stuff.
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>>7126918
Those brushes in Europe cost the same as a small car.
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>>7128433
10$ is a small car? Like a toy car? It's about the same price here (Western EU) for kolinski brushes of that size
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>>7128439
I mixed up with the Series 35 which is the English shape brush, Series 36 is for amateurs and hobby.
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>elitist art supply asshole
lol
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>>7128433
I was being cheap I didn't even get the series 7
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>>7128488
Too cheap because those brushes aren't even Kolinsky, Series 7 is not good anymore so you saved money there.
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>>7128515
Okay what inking brushes are decent rn
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>>7128521
Raphael 8408, Rosemary's, any artist's grade kolinsky hair brush. Or a synthetic like Pentel's aqua brush.
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>>7128433
>size 2
>size 4
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>>7128168
You Always want split primaries(warm and cool) for mixing the widest range of colors. Judging from the gouache set I'd add magenta to it for brighter violets. The mixing set might be a better option as well.
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>>7128697
thanks i decided ill try out watercolor first though and was going to order something like this
http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/palette5.html
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just copped

>>7128168
>12 set sufficient
yes.
Albeit, this >>7128172. If you are a beginner don't waste money on Holbein.
I bought the Art Creation Gouache by Talens, 8 or 12 set. It's great (lacking a ultramarine blue imo, so get that). It's like 7 €. Can't go wrong.
or maybe Caran d'Ache Gouache Studio Set - Set of 5 Tubes is also great. Slightly more expensive.
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is there something like the pentel brushpen but water proof
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>>7128448
Series 35 #2 is still 12€, not a car bro. Relatively small brushes do the trick for ink. Huge kolinski brushes are a few hundred bucks tho;I wonder who buys them (local store recently had them maybe 80% off because no one buys them and they had to make room)

>>7128521
Raphael indeed are good. I've got two Series 7, they tend to split more, but that's controllable; they're still good ink brushes.

>>7128999
Their pocket brush pen should be waterproof. At least, you can feed it waterproof ink, not sure what the default is.
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alright starting watercolor set, not ordering for a few weeks so no rush if there are any suggestions

this will ultimately be more for mixed media illustration work. marker is kinda shit for backgrounds.
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>>7129080
A #2 Da Vinci is like a #1 or #0 Raphael, it's too small, with Da Vinci I would go with #3 or preferably #4.
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>>7129432
Nooo, but you get my point anon, even with a Series 7 you need to push to a 3 for ink, which is at best 30€, so comparable to a Series 35 Da Vinci.

They're all about the same price, because the cost is in the hairs, and they're all hand-manufactured because Le Quality Brush.

>>7129393
Remove lamp black. Instead, add ultramarine and burnt sienna. Ultramarine is ultra-handy, cheap, permanent and granulating. Combined with burnt sienna you'll get a nice transparent black, that you can cool or warm.

You also want some browns (like burnt sienna). Yellow ochre (or raw sienna) is rather handy too.

A phtalo blue instead of the one you choose (no idea what's in there) will give you a solid, cheap cool blue, with which you can mix high chroma greens.

For the yellows, I'd stick to cadmiums. Get a warm cadmium red too.
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>>7129576
The kolinsky hair have different origins and qualities, reflecting on the price. Da Vinci would be the last brush I would ever buy, Escoda is also trash.
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>>7129583
Yeah, it's true; I've got a Da Vinci, the hairs feel a bit more "dry", but it still does a good job, especially for the price.

But you're moving the goal post aren't you? It started as
> wow that brush cost a small car
went to
> nooo but the size are different
to
> yeah mind the hairs bro, the hairs.
Sooo, I'm getting a bit tired. Maybe you're different dudes idk
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>>7129393
bro wtf are those colors, are you clinically retarded?
I swear the IQ on this board is bellow 80...

this is exactly why companies make these sets, because /beg/ are too retarded to buy colors independently, and then wonder why the medium "sucks". Notice how there's no black btw
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>>7129619
im basing it off this site, i already swapped out the black for payne gray chill out. which seems to be a pretty standard pallette.
http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/palette5.html

everyone is a dick about paint and brushes ig
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>>7129619
> 80 iq
> bellow
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>>7128229
This is india ink. India ink has shellac, which makes it thicker and gummier. In pens with delicate feeding mechanisms (the parts that make the ink go to the nibs) it can cause clogging. Get rapidograph ink. Koh I noor sells big bottles of the stuff. They will be better for pens and brush pens, and you can use them with dip pens too.
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>>7129587
There was no goal post, it's all in your head.
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>>7129651
He/she/it might be in Europe, we don't have real drawing ink, even Talens drawing ink is the same as their indian ink. Speedball is sold in Europe in some countries, that ink can work provided it hasn't turned to gelatin yet.
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>>7129662
Amazonian tribesmen can buy Parker, Pilot, Kaweco and Waterman inks at any stationery atore. How far down the drain have you let Europe go that you can't?
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>>7129662
I'm a balkanigger and I can buy """real ink""" in any bookstore, do you even go outside
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>>7129669
>>7129688
That's fountain pen ink, I said drawing ink. I'm talking about Dr PH Martin's Black Star, Holbein Super Black, Koh I Noor Ultradraw, Deleter black 3, Tachikawa ink, etc.
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>>7129659
> hahahaha I'm anonymous of 4chan
Okay dude, okay, very, very funny.
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>>7129719
>I said drawing ink
That's not an actual thing, so not sure why you expected anyone to know what you're talking about. Off the top of my head, Black Star and Ultradraw literally say indian ink on the packaging.
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how do you take care of detail brushes anons? I bought both cheap ones and high brand ones, treated them with soft oils and not too warm water, but they always end up destroyed after a few months (I use them with acrylic gouache mostly)
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>>7129719
>acrylic ink
actually disgusting
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>>7129792
>acrylic
there's your problem
>inb4 acrylic gouache is gouache
no
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>>7129763
You need to do more research then, drawing ink doesn't have shellac, is usually matte, thin and waterproof. Black Star doesn't have shellac and smells like ammonia like all american inks do. If you want to refill a Micron or Pitt pen with Talens ink then expect for it to clog.
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>>7129820
Nigga, you literally made up that classification. In what world is indian ink, shellac and all, not drawing ink?
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>>7129814
I don't know the formulation they use, I assume it's some kind of dye base that dries waterproof. Acrylic ink is branded quite clearly, I have FW Ink, Liquitex and Holbein, they're alright.

>This is the inked version of the art and inked Rachel Dodson with Windsor Newton #2 Sable Brush and FW Acrylic Ink on 11 x 17" Marvel Comic Board. I inked the little figures with Pitt and Copic pens.
Seems alright for the pros.
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>>7129829
disgusting
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>>7129825
Ask ChatGPT what is indian ink and drawing ink, a simple search would also explain.
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>>7129833
I asked the manufacturer and they said it's indian ink, even wrote it on the package so as not to confuse mongoloids like you.
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>>7129651
I've refilled fineliners with indian ink, it's not a problem unless you let it sit unused, just soak the tip in alcohol.
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>>7122489
Those things are fucking expensive

Just use Staedtler Mars Lumograph or Mitsubishi Hi-uni like others said. I personally prefer Staedtler but use both.
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should i buy bulk paper in the form of 6 a5 120 page notebooks just to use for mass practice
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>>7129898
just buy newsprint pads or sheets thats what they are for. colored pencil/charcoal and rough newsprint is really easy to fall in love with.
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>>7129820
>>7129825
India ink has shellac

Drawing ink is a product sold by brands like Rotring and Koh I noor, often used to identify inks that can be used to refill rapidographs. This kind of ink does not have shellac, because shellac destroys the internal mechanisms of these pens
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>>7129997
I noticed that Rotring brands their inks as drawing inks. Talens is not good, I've tried it on Microns and the result is not desirable. I now use Holbein. Lefranc & Bourgeois is alright but it's too light and gray.

Kuretake Zig Cartoon Sumi Ink might be a good solution because it's waterproof and thin.
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>>7129997
Here's no such thing as "drawing ink", they're selling acrylic ink.
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>>7129997
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>>7129901
ill go to the art store and test out paper, thanks
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>>7129997
You can fill rapidographs with fountain pen inks. Most ink artists also use fountain pen ink, alcohol ink or "liquid watercolor" for the cool effects and unique colors.
American comic artists and mangaka use India ink regularly. Dip pen nibs aren't heirloom ítems.
Rotring, Staedtler and Parker sell rapidograph ink in the third world. If they don't in Europe you're getting fucked.
I don't know what argument you're trying to make but you're wrong either way.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPL3Y_MiLlU
Forget about the sumi ink unless you really want to go for the cheap route.
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>>7130031
>sumi ink
>cheap
what the fuck am I reading?
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>>7130033
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>>7130064
>watered down kusotomo
divide that volume by half
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Good enough for Klaus Janson.
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>>7129792
> destroyed
Isn't very precise. If they have little hairs, it's expected that the hairs get sanded down over time, and that the effect is quicker than of bushier brushes.

But if destroyed means you've got dried acrylic ruining them, then that's a cleaning issue, and you're doing it wrong
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bumpin'
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>>7121414
Does anyone know where I can get Mars Professional refills? I know it is super outdated and for 30 bucks I can get the new tech pen they make, but eh. Even if you know an off-brand cartridge that might fit, I'd appreciate it. Yes I found some on eBay but I prefer .25 and while I have found some, they are few and far between.
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you would think the largest art supply monopoly in the US (dickblick) could deliver art supplies in under a week. fucking hate US art selections its either overpriced amazon or slightly less overpriced but takes two fucking weeks blick.
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>>7122489
you can test one out if you want, it's like 2 bucks on artemiranda
I have it it's pretty comfy
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White pens for highlights

>Signo Uni Ball- full of ink, but doesn't want to work
>Jelly roll- works a little, but not all time and is railroading.
>Zebra Sarasa- Didn't work and ended up fucking up the lips and creating black uneraseble areas of the paper.

I've seen people recommend buying a paint pen, instead. I want something that can work in really small areas and ordered the Posco White in 0.7. Please tell me this will work.
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>>7131542
i have the various size set and find the .3 a little clumsy in small regions like the eyes. i just bought a uni ball white and whtie paint/brush to see if it would work better.
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>>7131542
>>Jelly roll- works a little, but not all time and is railroading.
08 is alright. Otherwise, white ink (kuretake) or white gouache.
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bump
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>>7131542
>>Signo Uni Ball- full of ink, but doesn't want to work
Remove the refill and submerge the tip, only the tip, in boiling water for a minute.
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Has anybody used Derwent inktense pencils before? If I try using a clean water wash over an area I've tried to fill in with the pencil, it shows the lines really strongly. I was hoping it would fill in any spots I missed rather than making them more obvious. Is there a better way to use them?
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>>7134119
If you want a soft gradient you need to lay down many very light layers and use more water than you'd use to reactivate watercolor.
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Alright ordering some jp watercolors from a proxy service so it makes sense to load up on art supplies. unfortunately this specific company won't ship copic ink or markers so can only get replacement nibs.

So far I have watercolors
Copic nibs
Gpen nibs

What are some other supplies anons would recommend (seriously anything to offset the high cost of intl shipping). Brushes for whatever reason are more expensive there so no point ordering, and ink is kinda weird with customs.
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>>7135699
you mean watercolors made in japan or that shitty watercolor-like medium from japan?
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>>7135719
Holbein they are $2 per 5ml there
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>>7135699
Would coloured pencils be worth it? If you can get Holbein watercolors for cheap maybe you can get their pencils for a good price.
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>>7135740
I have a set of polychromos but watercolor pencils are a good idea
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>>7135699
Depends a lot on what you are interested in and what is cheap relative to where you live.

Clutch pencils, pencils, erasers, sharpeners, lead refills, etc tend to be cheaper and better. I've started to appreciate the トンボ鉛筆 消しゴム MONO モノゼロ 丸型 for some types of work. 三菱鉛筆 鉛筆削り uni 2.0mm芯用 ポケットサイズ is really nice if you like clutch pencils, which you should because clutch pencils are the best.

Pens/fountain pens/brush pens and mechanical pencils can be cheaper to much cheaper in Japan, especially high quality ones. Sailor Fude pens and Kurotake brush pens are nice, depending on price. If you get pens you may want converters for them but I prefer refilling cartridges with a syringe since it holds more. Most pens will come with one or two cartridges.

If you want something kind of pointless some of the multi color pencils like 三菱鉛筆 色鉛筆 No.772 朱藍5:5 六角軸 1ダース K772 or ぺんてる マルチ8セット PH802ST can be neat. Blue/red is actually pretty useful for undersketches. Pen/pencil/brush cases may be cheaper.

Depending on price it might be worth getting a mixing set of gouache or a set of acrylic gouache, or a tube of white gouache to experiement with or as an aternative to watercolor. Acrylic gouache does not rewet which makes it worse for some things and better for others.

I have $400 in copics and they are my least favorite medium so I don't think you are missing much.
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>>7136834
Most supplies aren't as disparate in price as copic's $8 vs $3.
Holbein pencils and gouache are the only art stuff other than copics that I'd bother getting straight from Japan.
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>>7136834
great list been meaning to try those 772s since i mostly sketch with colored pencil. might see if the sable kuretake brush pen is cheaper too
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>>7131165
That's just a technical pen right? Like an isograph or rapidograph?
If so buy the ink for them and refill the cartridge with the built in dropper or a syringe.
This is how it's been done forever.
The ink is made by Rotring, Higgins, probably Staedtler too.
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>>7122387
Find an old architectural drafting table. They all tilt. The older they are the heavier they will be, so keep that in mind.
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What supply that doesn't exist do you wish for the most?

For me it's Lyra Rembrandt 2mm lead. Their pencils are lovely but I'm a clutch Chad.
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>>7138347
the kind that makes my art good
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>>7138594
Nigga, be realistic.
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The Prismacolor Copy not NP Blue should be called the See not YP Blue (YP for "Yes Problem)!
It's a color pencil that sacrifices being able to be seen by the naked eye for being erasable. It's hard as fuck to see what you're drawing with it, so you may as well not go with it and just use a regular blue color pencil and use the right settings for scanning (black and white).
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Another genuinely disappointing purchase I've made is the Artfinity Markers. Sure, the LOOK good, but they bleed and show in the back like a mother fucker and I hate that! It's even more disappointing than the Prismacolor. This shit is just awful! Awful, awful, awful!
Micron these niggas are not! Copic, which they're trying to be, these niggas are NOT!
DO NOT GET THE FUCKING ARTFINITY! IT IS SHIT!
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>>7138745
I've always preferred red pencils personally. They're just as easy to remove and you can see what you're drawing.
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>>7121414
>Copic discontinued all the SP replacement nibs except for the 0.3 one Edition
So, are they discontinuing the Multiliner SP as well?
Or do they expect their customers to be cucks and buy metal fineliners at 3x the markup of a regular one and throw them away when the tip is worn?
I was actually considering getting one, but that's a dick move from copic, so I'll stick with my Pigma Microns for now.
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>>7131542
My favorite from the Gel pens is the Gelly roll, I've tried the Uni, Gelly is better. You probably got a bad one, that happens. I got a 3 pack of Gelly's at 0.5, 0.8 & 10, they're all flawless.

But the absolute goat is also the industry standard for manga and comic industry (at least some of my favorite artists), in the US it's marketed as the Pentel Presto (else it's the Pentel Extra Fine Point Correction Pen). It's incredible, I have a 15+ year old one that I found in a box of old stuff, and it's still going strong, it's in front of me now. Absolute opaque white.

I've seen some manga fags using stuff like deleter white with a paintbrush too.
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>>7122524
It's clearly markers as this anon said.
>>7122621
You can even see the felt tip marks.
What's confusing is that they're using it on what looks like watercolor paper, which isn't really good for felt tips like fineliners or markers.
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>>7122489
>>7131486
This. Just buy one, i got one for 2-3 dollars. Best pencil-eraser ever, thick or thin erasing.
Also you just have to graze the paper and it leaves a mark.
No regrets, would buy again, but, disclaimer:
Never tried the other ones these anons mention, since I don't have them in my area:
>>7123496
>>7126341
>>7129884
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Am I being to hard on my new markers? I thought it was a low quality marker because of the bleed-through, but apparently, a lot of markers do it, even Copic. Is it a valid critique, or am I wrong? Still, I do like the fact that my Micron brushes do not bleed through.
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>>7139060
If a Micron bleeds through you're dwelling too long, pressing too hard, or not using high enough quality paper.
Fineliners aren't meant to be pressed hard.
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>>7139089
It's not the Micron bleeding. It's the new copic-like markers I'm using.
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>>7139092
I see. Can you post the paper notebooks specs on the back of it?
Never tried It's unusual, since fineliners do not bleed through unless you lay a ton of ink down in one particular spot.

Oh wait, I just re-read, are those copic *markers*?
Yeah, markers tend to bleed through. One thing I do with any bleeding is sacrifice one sheet as an undersheet, I also lay gridlines down on it, this way any bleedthrough hits the undersheet + I get fancy gridlines.
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>>7138347
I'd like a GraphGear 1000 with no rubber inlays, just knurling.
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>>7139060
All alcohol markers bleed through any paper short of bristol, just a cost of doing business.
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i'm about to blow 50 dollars on this shit, which is ALOT in my turd world currency, if this is trash i'm going to kill myself
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>>7139699
Any mexican carpenter will make that thing for $10 if you give them a drawing of it.
I'd personally remove the pencil and phone "holders" from the top, that shit never works.
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I go to live figure drawing sessions often and have a few different markers and pens I like to use but I don't have a great way of laying the tools out in front of me. Is there a open top container or some other attachment that I can clamp to the board for the couple hours I'm there? Pic related is what I'm envisioning. Or does someone have any ideas for a workaround?
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>>7138347
Pentel Pocket Brush but with the brush size they use for their sign brush pen
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>>7139699
All holes that are the same size as ear canals are destinied to become just as dirty
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Are watercolor pans or tube watercolors better? Which ones will give me more bang for my buck?

Also, is it possible to be poisoned via cadmium/cobalt watercolors?
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>>7140505
tubes are good to make your own palette, and this might be just an illusion, but the brush picks up color easier since they're more fresh. I built my palette with mijello tubes + a cheap wood palette from aliexpress, and it costed me a lot less than buying their pre-made pan palette.
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>>7140505
If you're just messing around pans are fine, if you're gonna be a serious all out watercolor guy get tubes. And all you have to do to not get heavy metal poisoning is to not eat the paint, wash your hands if some paint gets on there, that's it.
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>>7139699
I just use a wood board against the table, it works the best and is an old school setup, that stuff you posted is a POS made by someone who never drew anything in their life.
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>>7140505
Tubes.

Tubes and pans cost the same, contain the same paint, but tubes allow you to get more paint at once, without having to fight fully dried paint. Pans are laborious.

>Also, is it possible to be poisoned via cadmium/cobalt watercolors?
You can die by drinking too much water too quickly. Don't be extremely messy, don't eat or snort the paint, and you should be alright.
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>>7122114
Prismacolor is rock hard because it's the only one that isn't full of this horrible gummy putty that makes it turn to shit after being in your hands for 30 seconds. The hardness is a bonus that lets you work the eraser into an actual point that won't just immediately mush into a blunt stump the second you press it against the page. I don't bother using any other brand anymore.
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>>7138347
More colors of Uni Nano Dia lead. Terracotta, Peach/Salmon and Magenta I want the most.
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Are the daler rowney system 3 brushes, the smaller ones you get as a set, good for gouache? I've found I like using gouache more opaquely, and my watercolour brushes are a bit soft and soak up too much water for that. Tried out a cheapo acrylic brush that was a bit stiffer and I really liked the springiness of it and how you could use the thicker paint to get textures and suggest details.

Anyone familiar with these brushes or have any advice?
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>>7140859
They're dogshit, the hairs will split and will never form a point. Get on Rosemary action if you're serious about art.
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>>7140865
They're that bad?

I can't find a place that sells rosemary brushes here, I'll check my local art-supply store. In the meantime any other suggestions?
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>>7140868
If you're talking about the black handles with yellow tips then yes they are.
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>>7140875
Black handles with yellow bands before the ferrule.
These ones:
(https://kreatima.com/sv-se/produkter/system3-heavy-body-zip-case-ett-snyggt-penselfodral-med-10-st-akryl-oljepenslar-299914)

I guess maybe it was a red flag that a lot of the promo text was all about how the tips of the brushes are dark, as though that matters at all.
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>>7140882
Those are very bad, they're for acrylic, where you have to move thick viscous paint.
For gouache you want synthetic but for watercolor, like these ones with the blue:
https://craftelier.com/super-oferta-50-pincel-redondo-acuarela-serie-51-n-10-0-daler-rowney.html

If you can order from China these ones are pretty good, I've used the ones that are chisel.
5pcs For Drawing Double Color Nylons Hair Painting Art Multi-function Black
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>>7139779
>>7139899
>>7140657
what about this one? it is half the price
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>>7140657
>wood board against the table,
It hurts my neck to do this
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>>7140556
What colors would you recommend to start, fren?
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>>7140905
That's better but the board looks too small.
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>>7140895
Oh, I see. Thought I'd try the acrylic brushes since I liked how springy they were when painting opaquely. But perhaps proper synthetic brushes for watercolor is better middle ground for springiness.

I'll check those out, thanks for the tips!
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>>7139699
>paying chinks money for a drawing board

Just DIY bro. Your desk is a couple of hinges and screws away from becoming a full on drafting table.
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>>7141002
NTA but it's hard to go wrong with Pthalo blue (PB15:3)
Quinacridone rose (PV19) and Hansa yellow (PY3). This should give you a fairly traditional RYB color palette to start with. Pthalo green (PG7) and Dioxazine violet (PV23) are also nice to have, and a Burnt Sienna (PBr7) would be good too. All of these can be found in any major brand and are affordable. Rely more on pigment numbers rather than names since manufacturers tend to have different names for the same color and numbers are much more reliable. I find this site to be a good place for comparing paints for more in depth info for things like differences in brand
what color mixes what as well:
https://artistpigments.org/
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>>7141228
> on the Internet nobody knows you a cat
busted.

>>7141002
to each their own. Zorn palette is good if you've never painted before, but probably not for watercolor.

ultramarine & burnt sienna is a good limited palette start.
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>>7141228
the price I will spend on materials is about the same I would by just buying the thing
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>>7141228
you have no clue how awful that shit is
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>>7121414
What's a good set of mannequins for male and female figure drawing?
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>>7141682
None, really. No matter how over-engineered, their joints fuck up proportions and their muscles don't move.
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>>7141682
4 wives
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>>7138347
0.9 lead in 4H from a reputable brand.
I can't believe there's 0.3 4H but not 0.9 wtf.
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Any of y'all own one of these lil' niggas? Are they worth it or should we keep looking for good refs.
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>>7142802
if you have the money, go for it. Owning one isn't going to immediately make you a master at posing, but they're a convenient tool that are nice to have lying around, if really fucking pricey

they've helped me quite a bit my only complaint is they're really fucking finicky to actually pose
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What's the best brand of bristol paper?
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>>7143831
I guess that's called hot pressed 100% cotton watercolor paper (unironically)
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>>7143853
>>7143831
Bristol has a smoother finish compared to watercolor paper, even hot pressed ones. They're also thinner (usually 90 - 98 lbs instead of watercolors's 140). It's not meant to absorb as much. Bristol is better for pen & ink and markers. As for brands most of the comic book artists I know use Strathmore or Canson. There's also Deleter and IC manuscript paper which is thinner than Bristol board but it should hold up well.
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>>7143831
Strathmore, they're the only good brad actually.
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Speaking of which, I wish "bristol vellum" was a standardized definition. Neehan and Strathmore are entirely different surfaces and I don't know which one I like best.
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>>7144017
Deleter is garbage, really thin, I just use it to wipe off my excess ink and test marker colors together.

In other news someone recommended Raphael 8404/8408 and fuck these are so nice. Might have to get a #4 for watercolor as well.

>>7142944
Been wanting to get a Romankey x COWL male but assume I should just keep practicing posing without aid rather than stagnate by relying on a crutch.
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>>7127548
Arterase are basically Col-Erase with a shiny Japanese lacquer, pretty much the only pencils I know that match the quality. FC erasable and Noris erasable are student grade and it shows.

JetPens has them open stock, too. More expensive than Prismas though.
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>>7144017
>It's not meant to absorb as much
Use thicker ink! But good watercolor paper works finely with ink; sizing must be good. I tend to use bristol for practice because it's way cheaper, yeah it's indeed smoother, which can be convenient for quills
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Just found out one of my Copics dried out, is there a way to buy a single copic or something?
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>>7144548
you can buy single copics in any online art store, every marker should have a number to identify it with. If you use copics a lot you might go extra and get ink refills, so you don't have to throw away the marker every time
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>>7144512
Using good watercolor paper for colored pencils is wasteful, and double wasteful for markers because it sucks the ink out of the marker like a three dollar whore.
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>>7144438
Shame Jetpens international shipping costs are extortionate and no large art/stationery stores seem to have any intention to bring these in.
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>>7144554
I've refilled my W2 four times so far and still have over half the bottle. These are pretty generously priced compared to the markers themselves.
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>>7144654
For practice, or intense throughput work (illustration) yeah it's wasteful, not for fine-art sales though. Never used markers, but as far as inks are concerned, the sizing and ink viscosity both play a role.
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for fountain pens are you supposed to dunk the nib in ink and turn the piston to refill
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No you just don't get It, I'll buy just one more mechanical pencil then I'll draw everyday I promise
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>>7145021
post your collection
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>>7145021
I own the Zebra DelGuard .5 and Pentel Twist-Erase III .7. Those should probably be good enough.
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>>7145053
>Zebra DelGuard
Don't you find the moving tip an annoyance when drawing? I've been mirin the Muji 0.5 and 0.3, they are so cute, despite being off brand white PG500s.
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>>7145053
Pro tip for the Twist-Erase or other pencils where there's a mushy rubber grip: take it apart and wrap some printer paper on the barrel under the grip, half the circumference is normally enough.
Pro tip for the Delguard: bin it and use a better pencil
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>>7145025
>2x Zebra M301
>Pentel P207 Silver
>Pentel P207 Gunmetal
>Pentel P207 Rose Gold
>Graphgear 500 0.3
>Graphgear 500 0.5
>Graphgear 500 0.9
>Staedtler Mars Technico 780
>Staedtler Mars Technico 788
>2x Bic Criterium 2.0mm Black
>Montblanc Meisterstück 0.5

I want to get the P203, P205 and P209 but don't know if I want the classic set or the metallic colors set.
I need a Graphgear 500 in 0.7 to complete the set.
And I want the white and silver Criterium, bought two blacks thinking they'd be black and silver but I like it so much I didn't mind much.
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>>7145172
one of these is not like the others
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>>7145172
>>Graphgear 500 0.3
I need this to complete the collection but the colors are so ugly.
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>>7145216
0.3 is the redheaded stepchild of mechanical pencils. Most lines don't even have it. And even the P20X where there's a shit ton of aesthetic and special editions there's only the standard brown, a distressed standard brown, the "since 1970" branded Special Edition box set in standard brown and silver, and a white branded Delfonics.
Meanwhile the P205 has 17 Metallic editions.
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do dust-free erasers actually work? Will they form only one lump?
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0.5 is the primogen, no matter what he does he'll always have a seat at mom's table.
0.7 is the over achiever, handome and popular but always second fiddle.
0.9 is the punk who hates the family and wishes it was a clutch pencil instead.
0.4 is the insecure middle child alawys seeking protagonism but never acknowledged because it's annoying.
0.3 is the forgotten child living in the attic.
0.2 is the baby, daddy Pentel's favorit child at the moment being showered with gifts to make up for all the neglect he gave 0.3, 0.4 and 0.9.
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>>7145442
If you want dust free, use a kneaded erasers. If that's too soft, use any eraser and a brush to remove dust.

Some erasers make more dust than others.
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When I sketch, I usually do it with a mechanical pencil, but I'm beginning to realize I sort of hate doing it that way, and that I love to sketch with a colored pencil instead.

I should clarify that I'm using the cheap Soucolor Soft Series, but I'd rather use the Crayola from my childhood because Soucolor kinda sucks sometimes. They make up for it with the array of colors, but the biggest issue is sharpening the damn things. Sometimes, I do it "too much" and the lead falls out and if you try to aim for sharp perfection, you may end up with a severely shortened pencil, which is what happened to my black and one of the lighter blues.
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>>7145666
Uni Nano Dia color lead.
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>>7145593
Don't forget 1.3
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>>7145833
The tranny of mechanical pencils.
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>>7145442
Dust free is generally cleaner, but it's more like 2-3 clumps rather than 1 long clump. Still it's better than the standard tiny crumbs that get everywhere.
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>>7145666
>>7145762
yeah what this anon said. Uni Nano or Pilot Eno color lead sound like what you want.
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>series 7 is apparently shit
>da vinci is apparently shit
>escoda is apparently shit
>rosemary is supposedly good but doesn't ship to the us
Which fucking sable brush am I supposed to buy for inking?
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>>7146113
raphael 8404/8408
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>>7146122
They still make 8408's? I haven't seen them in years, only see 8408 and 8402.
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>>7146180
jacksons has both
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>>7146182
Nice, they're back, they were not made in years, probably due to covid, I see them in Europe now too. That's the brush I like since it's more difficult to get wrong. I found a lot of dull points on 8402/4's. I bought two 8402 #2 at the same time, one was the best brush I've ever used, the one I still have it here is barely usable.
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>>7146113
Just shoot a squirrel and make your own.
Squirrels in the park are free, don't let the government tell you otherwise.
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>>7146113
Do they really not ship to the states? They seem to accept USD and from looking at their FAQ, I saw this as a response, unless I'm misinterpreting it.
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>>7146301
they display a mean we hate your gov message if you go to their website with an american ip.
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>>7146302
Seriously? I've seen similar shit with other websites so I believe you, But I've never seen that for Rosemary & co, even when I turn my adblock off. You got a pic of this?
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>>7146307
the message isnt even true. you can import sable.
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>>7145966
Shame neither has brown or peach leads.
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>>7146113
>da vinci is apparently shit
says who? I love their synthetic brushes
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>>7146522
he was talking kolinski bro. real stuff. I've tried one raphael imitation: synthetic tip just doesn't match a real one.

>>7146113
(in my limited experience)

series 7 isn't that bad, but you need to work a little. raphael is indeed the best choice. da vinci has a good price, hair quality feels lower ("dryer"). rosemary's are good, but I only have travel brushes, and raphael (non-travel) are still better.
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If you're gonna use non-eraseable color pencils to sketch you might as well use Polychromos. They're the best at keeping sharp and erase better than waxier pencils since they're meant to be layered rather than smudged.
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Derwent pencils are ass, the graphite is good but I'm convinced the casing Is made from feces chips instead of wood.
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>>7149048
Only Faber-Castell's 9000 pencils are good but they're expensive.
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>>7146837
second, polychromos are good drafting pencils which is why Villpu uses them and they feel great on newsprint. You can erase quite a bit before you rip your paper.
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Funny how the thread about stuff to make art with keeps getting buried behind the "how to whore your art on social media" threads.
Almost like people on /ic/ don't draw and keep putting the cart before the horse.
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>>7150108
A lot of /ic/ probably uses digital.
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Are watercolor pencils a meme?
I got some Derwent ones and not only does the pigment not dilute completely always leaving line traces in the paper, it's completely uncontrollable. It dilutes without rhyme or reason even something as simple as a sphere you end up with a random splotch instead of a controlled gradient.

I've just been using them as pans in a stick because the colors are beautiful, but what the hell else are you meant to do with them?
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>>7149235
9000 Jumbos are the best pencil ever made in the history of mankind.

>but my super special Japanese graphit-
I don’t care how smooth your lead is, if it doesn’t come in jumbo form it’s not even in the running.
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>>7150540
I love these but I also love drawing in A6 sketchbooks so I rarely use them.
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>>7140670
I got a Lyra one that also holds a point but doesn't crumble to shit if I don't use it for a couple days like the Prismsacolor.
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>>7150705
Lyra is the only good euro kneaded eraser but they're so small, the best is Sanford Design Kneaded which I think is the same as the Prismacolor before they rebranded.

The soft ones you have to make a roll, then you roll it on the paper to lighten it up, if you try to use the same as a hard kneaded it will smudge the dirt all over the paper and it will never get lifted again.
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>>7128451
>I’m poor
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>>7150540
What are the benefits of jumbo pencils over something like a woodless pencil? Seems like it'd be a pain to find sharpeners that fit. Is it for the grip?
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>>7150923
Great ergonomics. We call them 'jumbo' pencils but at 9.25mm they're thinner than your average digital pen. They feel great in the hand and are much nicer to draw from you arm with than regular sized pencils. Thick lead is break resistant and gives you pretty big coverage, maybe not as much as a pure graphite crayon but it's up there. Having a wood casing means they're as easy to get to a fine point as any other pencil, so you can get fine detail just as well as you could with a regular sized pencil.

I just legitimately don't see a reason personally to use a regular pencil if I have the option to use a jumbo one.

Cons are yeah that you'd need a jumbo sized sharpener, and that Faber Castell doesn't make them any harder than HB (neither does Staedtler for their version). There are also no real artist grade jumbo colored pencils outside of Megacolor by Cretacolor, but at 12mm those are legitimately huge and are more of a replacement for Art Stix since you can't get those anymore.
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>>7151658
If I had the time, I would spend 3h sketching an anon with a child face, extremely proud of his big crayon.

"Jumbo" sounds too funny. "Jumbo size sharpener" reads as "comically huge sharpener".

By the way anon, I don't think anything beats utility blade + sandpaper for sharpening. Much less wasteful, you can expose more lead and get more coverage, and keep a tip sharp longer with proper handling
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Did you throw this? Or keep it?
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>>7152470
Keep it, the tin cap doesn't keep air and moisture out.
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Elaborating, if you're just done for the day and will continue inking in a couple hours don't put the plastic buttplug back on, it's a fucking chore.

But if you're not touching your ink for a week or so definitely put the buttplug back on or it'll get moldy.
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>>7152492
I'm my humble opinion I thi
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>>7146122
>8408
FUCK
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>>7152653
I'm in France, you want some? 800€ a brush, you good bro? -50% on the second one!
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>>7121414
Open stock polychromos are $1.49 at my local mom & pop store, which 20 would you buy?
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Is it worth going from an Intuos small to a medium if i'm just getting serious about drawing?
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How do you care for a brush that's used for inking?
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>>7153235
Never let the ink rise to the level of the ferrel. once you're done inking dip the brush in water and wipe it on a paper towel until the marks are clear, dip in water as needed. After the brush is clean, wipe it once more and twist to preserve the pointed shape of the brush and you're done. NEVER PULL OUT LOOSE HAIRS, always clip
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>>7153208
Never go for a small. For proper drawing a Medium should be minimum.
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>>7153241
Oh and if you notice a single brush hair at the tip that seems to be sticking out more than the rest, don't trim it, that's the stabilizer.
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>>7153235
https://youtu.be/jBSsGfJRpww?si=w3LrFwDZdeyhcZbu&t=232

Every inker has its own ways of doing think. There's another video with an Asian-American comic artist (don't remember the name, too lazy to look for it) who never uses soap, but does use a bit of saliva. Other people will say that saliva will eat your brushes.

I've never heard anyone talking about clipping hairs before today though. I'd never clip hairs on my $30 brushes...
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>>7153544
The Masters used to be cheap, not anymore since they realized they could charge more once it got popular online.



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