What does a paypal invoice look like to clients in 2024?Can they see your address and name?Do you use a business name?If you do, what's the point of that? They can easily look up where your business was registered and the name of the owner
you can adjust it to only show your artist name with the agreed amount for payment. I havent used a personal account for invoices so if you dont use a bussiness account you mostly like reveal personal info
>>7134198But to only show your artist name don't you need a real business like an LLC? And won't paypal eventually ask for your business documents?And if you have a business won't it be easy for anyone to look up your artist name (the same name as your business) to see who is behind the name?
>>7134174If this is about hiding your real name so nobody can find you and expose you for drawing degenerate shit, your customers can see your name no matter what
>>7134206Except patreon. The last bastion of gooners.
there's literally a button to show what it looks likeand invoices don't matter, it's what happens when they pay
>>7134206>HAHA, This guy drew the degenerate shit I asked and payed him to!Does this actually happen? What customer is going to out themselves like that?
>>7134214I've never heard of it happening ever. But you would be surprised on the lengths people would go to blackmail.
>>7134198 also if your paying itll most likely show the gmail account you used with the name attached to the paypal account
>>7134174>What does a paypal invoice look like to clients in 2024?You can preview them before you send it or send one to yourself.Can they see your address and name?You can customize the invoice. Add logos, textboxes and more. You can also send blank amount-only invoices. Removing your information from the invoice (the email they send to your client) does not remove it from the transaction details that they can view on the Paypal homepage. The exchange of private info is mutual and they don't allow anonymouse transactions for obvious reasons.Do you use a business name?You don't need a Business account when you earn money but you might want to upgrade so you can open a second Paypal account for personal-use with the same bank information.>If you do, what's the point of that? They can easily look up where your business was registered and the name of the owner.They don't need to look it up. It's all in the transaction details on the Paypal homepage. Most likely you are still the business owner and the business location is still your home (which is what you do to upgrade to Business if you don't have a registered business)
>>7134268So doing business as offers no anonymity at all then
>>7134174more of yall guys need to start taking crypto for your porn drawings if yall want anonymity..
>>7134278It does not make you anonymouse.https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/privacy-full
>>7134287Your clients are already using Paypal for everything online. They won't get into crypto just to pay you.
>>7134174When you create a business account you still have to use your real name and home address to set up an account.But when creating the invoice you can choose to not have stuff like your real name, home address, and email address shown on the invoice.Make sure you don't toggle the option to have your product sent as a package (idk what the toggle is called, my PayPal is not set in English), as that will show your home address to the client, as that's where the "package" was sent from.I sent myself an invoice (I got a 2nd account) with all of that in mind and the only thing shown to the other account was my brand name.At least that's how it is in Europe. Idk if PayPal does shit differently in America and doxxes you regardless. I had American clients and so far I haven't been doxxed so who knows lol.
>>7134342Login on the website and check the transaction details. Does it show your info?
>>7134342>>7134352Just sent myself an invoice to really make sure because I read what >>7134268 said...and again I couldn't find any personal info from my art account beyond the brand name. I looked in the transaction email that PayPal had sent me and checked the transaction details on the PayPal website. Nothing.Maybe PayPal really does it differently in Europe?
>>7134358Funnily enough, Paypal does show me the full names of my clients, so I have no idea how this shit works.But it's funny when an account with an anime girl profile and name commissions you and then you get "Carlos Rodriguez sent you money".Same thing when I get donations through ko-fi, the donator's full name is given to me. But Ko-fi did give me my art account's email address when I donated to myself, so do with that what you will.
>>7134358>>7134342you can hide the name ON THE INVOICE even on a personal account the transaction details AFTER PAYING show your info
>>7134358My bank statement shows the info, not sure if it varies by state. I know in some countries paypal itself has to legally provide a name to the buyer.If your bank really shows nothing, then the question is if I or someone from the aforementioned countries paid you, would they see your name? Logically if German paypal has a legal obligation to do it, they'd show your name to a German even if you don't see it sending money to yourself.
>>7134392>the transaction details AFTER PAYING show your infoThat's what I did. I looked up, down, left, and right on my 2nd PayPal account's transaction history and couldn't find any personal details from my art account.>>7134397Looked at my bank statement and couldn't find any personal info beyond my brand name. But maybe you're right, that PayPal shows my name to people from different countries with different laws. I have no way of verifying that.
>>7134174Use Ko-Fi as a middle men to hide your shit, they only show Ko-Fi's name as a copany, dont be stupid.
>>7134204No to both questions.To give a bit more info I send an invoice that simply says "Digital Art" and the amount. The only way I've heard people have problems is when they don't specify they are selling digital goods that don't need shipping so PayPal will ask why you haven't shipped anything in that case.
>>7134206This isn't true.>>7134212I remember when Yiff Party was a thing, it somehow scraped whatever named the creators had put on Patreon as their real name and it was showing a lot of artists real names that were dumb enough to put it in
>>7134648Once an invoice is paid, you can add shipping info from a dropdown menu like "Order processed, Shipping not needed" or something. It's optional and you don't have to do it.Artists got their account frozen over mentioning "porn" in their invoices which can be mistaken for real life porn. Paypal can't check what the money is actually for and you shouldn't give them any hints. You should leave the title and description box empty just to be safe. Your client knows what it is and you got e-mails to prove it.
>>7134206This isn't true at all. How miserable do you have to be to post incorrect information just to try to scare someone who doesn't know better?
>>7134723Even from Paypal support you won't seem to get a proper answer to this question. I'm on a business account and my info shows. No way to change it and editing the invoice template only affects the invoice.
>>7134733I don't know about the consumer end, but from the producer end you can 100% hide everything, even your email. Some stuff is in account settings, others on invoice settings. This may also depend on country.
>>7134733they can only see your brand name and the email associated also pro tip if you have a bussiness account you can add more emails to it
>>7134733>>7134723>>7134771It entirely depends on local laws, it's not a universal policy.As mentioned, the real question is how it works across states/countries.
OP here: How do I dodge taxes with Paypal?
>>7134956friends and family
>>7134956Don't be American
>>7135347>if you make $600 or more in a year, PayPal will give 1/4 to the IRS for “holding”it’s as if the government is like the mob, some sort of organized crime syndicate that uses physical force, sometimes implied, but ultimately carried out, to squeeze you dry
>>7135395to be fair, without you submitting tax information, they don't know what bracket those $600 fall into, your income before that could be $500k for all they know
>>7135395What if used a vpn to appear non American, that is if paypal dose allows vpns
>>7135400I could be a criminal with outstanding warrants and that could be money acquired through selling illegal drugs for all they know; they better just hold onto all of it just in caseI mean, there’s another $100,000,000,000,000 check for Ukraine and Israel that needs to be sent
>>7135395fucked up part, it used to be triple that before all of that roughly 2 years ago.
>>7135404do you know how tax works?
>>7135402it doesn't matter, they look at your bank account and will at some point freeze your account until you provide an ID like a driver's license, they don't care where you're accessing the site from
>>7134956Protip: When your account is frozen and unuseable, you can't create a new one.
>>7135405poorfags getting taxed while the rich get richer
>What does a Paypal invoice to the client look like in 2024Am I only one using cash?
>>7134958mine or yours?
>>7134469You're retarded. It does not hide shit. Dumb fuck
>>7135347I dont mind the IRS knowing everything. It's my clients I don't want knowing.>>7134290Crypto isn't even anonymous when you want to withdraw.>>7134469Thanks. Best solution in the thread.Because with paypal there's probably some european country that they'll give my name to.>>7134652Does kemono scrape names too now?
>>7135478>how do I dodge taxes>I dont mind the IRS knowing everything
>>7135509Don't be gullible. The person claiming to be OP was some rando. The person claiming to be OP is never the one who is actually OP.I pay my taxes. I don't want to be doxxed by clients. Anyone claiming otherwise is a troll.I only do SFW work and I still won't use paypal. I've given my name to companies so that they can pay me for my art because I trust them to not dox me unlike individuals. I've been stalked before years ago because of paypal giving away my name and not knowing how it worked. Had to make a new accounts that I've been on since.
>>7135544Are you OP?
>>7135552It invalidates what I just said but yes I am OP.The law is now "Whoever claims to be OP then says something humorous immediately after is not OP"Evading taxes is humorous and beyond the scope of my original question. He could have asked that question without claiming to be OP. But his joke is made funnier if people think he's OP.
>>7135573>yes I am OPstopped reading, go larp somewhere else
>>7135593I mean if you rather believe I was the fraud that wanted to evade taxes have at it. My original post has no relation to that.There's no way to prove I'm the guy but I'll stay here, I asked my question in OP.
>>7134469I don't think Ko-Fi actually works as a middle man, but apparently Pixiv and DeviantArt (lol) do. I'm still not sure about either of those if you use PayPal since I think regardless at some point PayPal will send the customer something about who they paid it to. For DeviantArt (LOL) you could get payed in their currency, but I've heard there's trouble cashing that out.
>>7135643I'm circling back to either Patreon or Pixiv since Ko-Fi uses paypal.
>>7134652Proof? I can't find any controversy or artists complaining about this
>>7134174why don't you go fucking find out by starting a new invoice at a US-based PayPal personal account>If your account is in good or fair standing, you can set no details on invoice, but you must choose between PayPal registered name, or set a Business Name inside that invoice area
>>7136006>If you're using the old invoice version, on the PayPal new layout, it will not let you erase your personal name when editing Business Info to hide other personal details, but you can set a personal Business name>THIS OLD INVOICE VERSION EXPIRES JUNE 30 2024
>>7135472Paypal.me has a entire fucking section
Is there any benefit to forming an llc as an artist?
>>7136118get taxed more depending on your state
>>7136118you don't need an llc, you need a dba, which you can get as a sole proprietorshipan llc would only have a point if you're employing people and/or making shitloads of money
This has already been talked about beforeThe only way to be 100% sure you stay anonymous, private and secure is by using crypto, specifically Monero(xmr). Depending on what u draw and where you live you may even want to always use a VPN and even also draw in a Linux PC (tailsOS) or use some encryptee drives with Veracrypt. Maybe even only use open source apps (and portable) for everything as to not leave any traces if you aren't using tailOS or the like
>>7136017So they still softdoxx ya
>>7138950what part? the nickname you give people to get money? that's just a general risk you take>i've taken $600 donations as F&F for years>it's just a mutual transfer and PP knows i've also taken in regular fees with regular invoices
what's the best middleman site to use in 2024? I've heard of commiss.io but I don't know how it is. I wanna draw some real degenerate shit (nothing illegal) so I'm interested in hiding my name
>>7141910DA and Pixiv have in-site comms. For DA, you can take all types of comms and post them PRIVATELY to the client. Make sure they dont type any degen shit in the order, but instead ask them to type something acceptable. Whatever you talk in private messages STAYS in private messages, do not include that shit to to the order. For Pixiv, non-japs can't order NSFW but you can deliver SFW as the "official" file and then post the NSFW version separately. Just talk with the client before they place the order and make sure they know not to include anything dumb to the official order.For PayPal, if one uses it, make sure the client only types something tame like "Art consultation". PayPal doesnt need to know the payment is for porn or violent stuff.
>>7135643The DA points transfer as real money to the seller. The DA earnings have 7 days clear period and after that you can transfer the money to your PayPal or bank account
>>7141987Right but doesn't PP expose your name?
>>7134206>>7134198I thought you could change the invoice to only say a business name even with a personal account
>>7142937no matter what fucking name you setanyone can do a fucking google searchalso>>7142938and you too>>7136006>>7136008
>>7143038Does "in good standing" just mean "hasn't been punished" or is there a certain amount of time you have to maintain your account for first?
>>7135424you can. if you have an identical twin brother, though
>>7143048it's just a bunch of words. I would also say "if you haven't gotten any strikes", but if you legit have a PayPal account, you should just make an invoice and see what your options are>my PayPal account has been there for a while
>>7143038I guess PP hates privacy? They won’t let you use a PO instead of your home address either. Fits with the general trend going on with people being conditioned to having no privacy and being complacent with it. I don’t care much about people knowing my name but exposing your address online is a no-no regardless of how clean your art is
>>7145088mail me a check for my art
>>7145088Have u never signed a contract or NDA? Giving ur full legal name and address is standard procedure
>>7134204What are business documents pLmfao, retard.
>>7145470We are obviously not talking about NDAs and contracts with companies here lmao
>>7146381>he doesn't know an invoice is a literal contractI forgot PayPal threads were nothing but clickbait
