I got a positive response so here's the first thread for studying Figure Drawing for All It's Worth by Andrew Loomis. Here's a basic schedule for the first chapter, but feel free to ignore it and work at your own pace. A schedule for the rest of the book will be discussed later.Start by reading the first 32 pages. Don't worry about copying the drawings yet. Pay attention to the basic proportions pages. When you're done, got to page 38.Pages 38-49: 2 weeks. Take your time learning the mannequin. Try drawing it in various poses. Pages 50-56: 1 weekThen spend 1 week going back and studying the pages that were skipped.Don't just copy! Try redrawing Loomis' drawings from memory after your initial copy, and take note of what you got wrong. Apply what you've learned to photo reference and try inventing figures from imagination.The book:https://files.catbox.moe/d2501d.pdfAnd here's some refs:https://files.catbox.moe/7246sw.zipGood luck!
I ended up being busy today so I only had time to read a couple pages. I plan to power through the rest tomorrow and hopefully start mannequins, but worst case scenario I'll do it on Wednesday when I'll have more free time. I'm looking forward to seeing your drawings!
can we do discord I'm not trans and socially well-adjusted
I'll try and get through the reading part in the next 1-2 days, hoping to post something before Friday.
>>7134460>can we do discord>I'm not transPick one
>>7134477Yeah Loomis is pretty wordy so no need to rush.>>7134460>discord>I'm not transdoubt.jpg
finally another good draw book/study gen, i'll try to post something later
how do you study a book, im retarded and get overwhelmed by so much words
>>7134499ignore the words, copy the drawings, draw them from memory without reference, repeat until you get good
>>7134460>outs himself as a poltard>"socially well adjusted"Yes I can't wait to be drawing and listening to you constantly shift the conversation from drawing towards trannies
>>7134499>>7134502based answer.
>>7134502what about copying the drawing and repeating from memory or without reference will make me get good eventually anon
>>7134786Don't overthink it the more you try to verbalize it the less you'll learn, you are basically sending good drawings to your long term memory so you develop some sort of "muscle memory" but for your brain
With the power of kindle, word, and copy and paste. All books become audiobooks. Got through most of the reading, will probably give it a few more listens to and from work to really burn it into my head.
Gay. Repost linku OP
(first real post)some memory drawings of pg 39
me whenever i try to draw the mannikin
>>7134877Those are some sexy mannikins
>>7134839I'm sort of confused what it is about asking a question makes you tell me that verbalizing leads to overthinking and less learning.It sounds like by copying good drawings that I'm building up long term memory and trying to automate a "muscle memory" for good drawing.
>>7134994kys howie
starting off simple. I'll do both photo studies and imaginative poses using the funny looking mannikin tomorrow! It was an interesting read so far. I never gave much thought about center of gravity in a figure.
>>7134870I just tested both links and they're working for me.
>>7134998>>It sounds likewhen I try to question you and I bring attention to that fact that you're basically telling me not to >>because verbalizing is "overthinking" and it'll magically make me learn lesswhen I point that out to youit makes you want to tell me to kill myself, howie.I was confused about where your advice was coming from but now I understand thank you anon.I recommend reading the fourth chapter of "pedogogy of the oppressed" by paulo friere I think it'll help you understand where that comes from.
>>7134499i have the same problem anon but I don't think that means I have an answer for you.I find that being aware of a few things regarding books/learning helps me.>>a) Books are lumps of paper with stuff printed on them.>>b) The tour of Oklahoma is not all that there is to see in Oklahoma.>>c) Ask questions so you know that the person who says "I know Oklahoma" is not confusing the word for the plot of dirt that the word refers to.>>d) A popular ghost story on every tour bus is the one about "the old masters of Oklahoma."I don't know if that will help you that's just like, a thing that reduces my stress.I also like to "start" with the table of contents, the intro, and some skimming over everything else. It starts a process of breaking down the information into manageable chunks for myself. I'll also sort of conjecture about the basic substance of the text. pic related is what that "looks" like and I can confirm that my thoughts are even less tidy than the picture.anyway that's what I got good luck anon.
>>7134877Nice>>7135201Kek, but also nice
>Since all of us are either male for female, and since the figures of the two sexes differ so radically in construction and appearance (a woman in slacks is not a man in pants, even when she has a short haircut)Ummmmm wtf Loomis that's kind of problematic
>>7135457Works or GTFO
Made it to page 26. I already have a general understanding of average proportions but I've never really spent much time on them. I might spend a day on these pages before moving on to the mannequins.
>>7135002more p38 figures. Will stay in this section for a bit doing different poses, until I can better grasp the proportions.
>>7135002Good sense of volume, I love your more dynamic ones.
mostly garbage but a few decent poses here>>7135730>>7135002great work!
couple memory drawings before work
Need some advice
Started on page 1 before work, but they are big pages so I didn't get all the way through the page
>>7135957Keep it up, it will get better
>>7136462Yeah the book is really dense. I'm still on the proportion pages. I'm not gonna do full-on copies of the charts but I'm probably gonna spend a few hours practicing the measurements with the "quick set-ups" he shows on pages 31 and 32.
>>7136478Also good job to the anons who have posted so far. I'm hoping to post something by the end of today or tomorrow.
>>7136436Looks pretty good! The heads seem a bit small and the lower bodies of the 2 left figures are a bit large (though they could be that way in whatever refs you used).
>>7136436If you want advice about getting "better" adviceWhen you ask "need advice", add 5-10 words after "advice" or whatever word you use.>>Need some advice>>Need some advice for what to change about the figures>Need some advice for how to get more out of the exercise.>Need some advice for maintaining proportions for multiple figuresthose are just examples the goal is to just be specific with yourself and with others about what you want in the cases of "I want better advice"
>>7134481>>7134488>>7134570>say x>"ah, it means you meant the opposite of x"Noone would want to socialize with your post-irony coded zoomerbrains anyway.
>>7136436Advice on what exactly? If you want general figure advice and not something specific to FDFAW, maybe you'll have better luck in the figure general >>7082485. Or you could stick with us and do the book from the OP.>>7135957>>7136396good stuff. Are you drawing these trad? I might mix it up and do some on paper too
>>7136599Yea I don't fuck with digital
Figure men are great for gesture
>>7134446Sounds like a plan. You must know the book well to make those suggestions
Does anyone know where to find a pdf for Loomis’ I’d Love To Draw?
>>7137348There was one in the original thread
same routine, imagination + couple memory copiessure hope we get more than 2 active anons itt
>>7137387Sorry anon, I've been getting a little filtered by the proportions pages so I haven't posted yet. I think I might just move on to mannequins today and go back to proportions later.
>>7137350This one? If so, having trouble finding the post with the pdfshttps://warosu.org/ic/thread/7132626
>>7137456try anna's archive
Finally had a bit of time to get started, did memory drawings of the 1st set of 'kins. Definitely struggle making the chest feel like it has volume, and I keep making the hips too small.
>>7137643Looking real nice, gonna have to try more on my own memory copies to keep up!
>>7137643Nice! I'm similarly having some issues with being consistent with the torso and pelvis sizes, which is why I plan to stick around in this part for a bit longer.
if i dont post this weekend it's cuz im doing frazetta copies
>>7138091A man of taste
>>7137956I have this issue as well, I’d never looked through loomis’s books but the radial plates for the hips is so much better for my than the underwear shape a bunch of people preach.
More sticks of loomis
>>7138855Some interesting angles and poses there, quite like the kabedon.
here is a director's cut of the text. On the intellectual level this is called "pointing">Ch.1 Provides a mental framework that can be used to create a material framework to more readily suggest images to your eyes.>Ch.2 Anatomy "maps." The latin seems pedantic at first if you don't realize that the names are references to location, shape, and function.>Ch.3 Lighting is a function of where your light source is located, your object geometry relative to the source, and the intensity of the light. Kind of has a "work from the general to the specific" attitude.>Ch.4 Sighting methods start here or "drawing what you see" now that you've spent however long building a basis.>Ch.5 Page 92 has some stuff about expression and movement if you're interested. The word "empathy" did not exist at the time so Loomis has like 10 different ways to say the same thing while he looks for the precise words.>Ch.6 The intent here is to get you into the habit of feeling something in response to your model so you can draw it. This can involve acting out what your model is doing or roleplaying.>One really cool thing I hadn't paid attention to was that you can notice a differential in the intensity of your felt response depending on where in a range of motion a certain movement is. It's like, take snapshots section-by-section of how you feel when you're having an empathic reaction or whatever impulse.>Ch.7 Biomechanics section. "Line of balance" is balancing the end of a pencil on your finger but pretend it's a person. It's another way of describing our ability to sense when something will tip over.>Ch.8 I think it's fair to just call this part "equilibrioception" and "mirror neurons." You can validate your understanding of rhythm from practicing it earlier when he mentioned it on page 24 if you want.>Ch.9 Continues discussion on gesture, expression, and foreshortening.cont.
>>7139120>Ch. 10 Says more on foreshortening and describes the game charades but not literally.>Ch. 11 More information on heads than hands and feet.>Ch. 12 Learn how clothes are made and then find another way to figure out the logic of how things fold(there's a particular school of paper-folding that knows all about it).A few extra things I learned from the text about Loomis as a person:>Simplifies when he can. >Loves the human figure, like a lot.>Always sounds annoyed when he mentions photography.>Being organized and efficient is important to him.>Drawing that is accurate to life is important to him.I also noticed that having a routine cognitive framework kinda relaxes how much thinking one does when it comes to a cognitive approach to realism. Uh, kind of disappointed by the contents and it's been a long time coming. I'd always though "oh, Loomis has the secret" and now I see very clearly that there really are absolutely no secrets. This turns out to be the only secret.Secrets are things we don't know. There's no way to know what you don't know. By definition, everything you don't know is a "secret." That's not a secret though, that's just plain ignorance, and for the foreseeable future it is a natural part of the human condition.Also fundamentals are indeed a meme.I noticed some people talking about memory. I made one diagram relating some stuff I picked up about how memory works.
>>7139123and here's like, a hypothesis at you will regarding the "how do I get good" apparatus.i'll do some mannikins next time I just really needed to like, tear down the text for myself.
>>7137956some more mannikins. This doll really reminds me of the hitokaku ones I did some time ago, so I feel good enough about going forward in the schedule. I'll also bundle more of them together to not spam the thread.>>7138091show us some of the copies later!>>7138855looking good so far, I like the one guy reaching up.
>>7136579Um actually, those posts use one piece of information to infer that they are contradicting themselves. So the correct format is:>>say x>>say y>x means the opposite of y
>>7139120I finished the first reading part and now today will start my two-weeks figure drawing.I’ve copied the first diagram today and I will copy the others, but I’ve sort of gotten off-track and tried drawing with perspective in mind. I can’t help it when practicing figures, but I think I might be missing the point of the exercise and will create more problems down the road. Can anyone attest to this?>>7139123>>7139126Thank you for the writeup. It will help me study Loomis.
>>7140108
>>7140108try to keep the feet at the same level, you can have the stick figure standing on their toes or have one foot in the air to make the perspective work. do practice perspective with the pelvis and rib cage
>>7139559great work anon>>7140108good start. Keep the lines cleaner. When you realize you messed up, just start a new drawing. redraw and redraw until you feel like you can just cleanly oneshot these with no effort.
>>7140115do you work trad because i don't think this is good advice. even experts like finch struggle 'one shotting this' just search for lines and erase after.
>>7134460>>7134446Is there going to be a Discord for this?
>>7139559Love the singing man. And it seems the thread picked up this weekends, but i wouldn’t worry about spamming the thread especially during the week.
>>7139559yea im fine with moving on to pg 40. also my study went poorly >>7140072
>>7141043Finally finished pg38. Probably gonna do 39 and practice with refs before trying the memory pass. Keeping proportions consistent between poses is hard.
>>7140947Guitar figure is legit
>>7141043Pretty solid!Had a busy weekend and couldn't do much, hopefully tomorrow I can carve out some time and finish p38.
>>7134446when loomis noted he wanted the reader to copy the head proportions 2-3 times, he meant just the rough idea right? I’m trying to replicate the anatomy and his diagram 1:1 and I suspect he just meant a general study because the anatomy section is way later in the book and i feel like I’m wasting my time trying to get the forms and shapes right when I don’t know what I’m doingi’m not really even sure why I’m asking when I suspect I know the answer already
>>7141628He literally says in the text to ignore the anatomical details, that you can just use simple lines and tubes.The part that matters from that section is ingraining into your brain the proportions. Head, nipples, navel, crotch, 2 heads to knee, 2 heads to bottom. Shoulders a third down the 2nd head, etc.Also when he says something is X heads wide or long, they mean using the head vertical length, not its width.But yeah, you won't always be drawing perfectly still figures to get all proportions correct, so again, what matters is developing an intuition for how far apart landmarks are, so you can do some quick measuring on the fly when laying down mannequins in the next section.
gonna need a full week on these pages, they are tough
>>7142619Yeah I'm struggling with the mannequins more than I expected. I've done Vilppu before so I can "feel the form", but I've never really put much practice into proportions. The pelvis discs are also a bit of a challenge but I can already see the benefit to using them vs just a box.
post count is rookie numbers
Where everyone go ;_;
>>7137643Sorry for not posting earlier, been a busy week. Wanted to finish the rest of the page before posting, but seeing how slow the general is, might as well post what I got done today.
>>7134446i don’t know why i bother with this stupid fucking hobby i couldn’t even keep going a third day
>>7137956pretty much sticking to doing imagination poses now. I'm a week in, so I'll stick around and do more of the first part mannikins!>>7141628As the other anon said you don't really need to be very detailed nor perfectly accurate in these initial chapters. he lays out a very basic mannikin that you can still use these static proportions just so you have a good baseline for when he goes into more anatomical details or perspective stuff.>>7142619>>7144277those are some nice baseball motions. I'll try and do some sports poses too, they look nice.>>7145009don't worry about posting too little or too much, we figured it would be a slow thread. I'm busy doing some other studies so I've actually been going through FDFAW for my warm-ups, so I'm waiting for them to stack a bit before posting.
Just started the book, here's my copying of the proportion. The intro chat was nice, loomis is based for shitting on woke movement 80 years prior
>>7145155looking good
>>7145294Looks good! They feel very three-dimensional.
bleh
>>7145294>>7146396nice. I see your mannikins are already a bit more fleshed out than the first ones too, they look good
Do you guys try to copy Loomis line for line?
>>7147908When I do my copy pass, yes, aiming for 80% or so accuracy (I overlay his drawing over mine afterwards to check). When doing memory pass, I'm content if the proportions look fine and the "idea" of the pose is captured, I don't care if maybe one of my arms is in a slightly different pose, or if I drew every single line he used for the clavicles or w/e.
>>7147936>I overlay his drawing over mine afterwards to checkAre you drawing digitally or trad?
>>7145152if all you do is study the way people say you should, you're signing up to live inside "tutorial hell."I don't know you anon but something tells me you'll do better if you drop the tutorials and start looking at what makes drawing worthwhile.It sure as shit isn't "doing things the right way" if the right way isn't "your way."If I had to "study" before I played dark souls all the time I'd lose my fucking mind.If I wasn't allowed to just learn as I go and do my own troubleshooting and collecting feedback from whoever-the-fuck, I'd blow my fucking brains out.What I fucking love about drawing is tuning the fuck out of a boring-ass lecture in class to literally have fun with a pencil. That includes Andrew Fuckface Loomis's ways: I know what fun is and I don't need some old dipshit from 1940 to tell me how to have it.
>>7148158wrong thread
>>7147967Digital
Doing Loomis in 2024 when there are so many better newer modern easier to understand methods I wont tell you hahahaha
>>7147356>>7145009curious if anyone wants to continue to pg 44 (solid mannikin)? Otherwise I'll spend another half week on pg 41 before continuing. I'd really like to get to the perspective section soon.
>>7149250I'd say go for it if you feel like you're ready to move on. I've been in a bit of a slump this past week and haven't drawn much so I'm still on page 39.
>>7149250Up to you. I don't think we need to be on par when it comes to progressing through the book, but I'm starting to go into the perspective diagrams too.
just some ref/memory copies
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