Commercial success is the absolute worst thing that could happen to your art. Stop pursuing money, remember why you wanted to learn to draw in the first place.
>>7137782Cool observation
>>7137782stop pursuing to pay your bills
>stop pursuing moneyI wish it was that easy.
>>7137792Same...
>>7137790correct! get off the grid and nurture your artist's soul directly through the aether
>stop pursuing moneyahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha
>>7137790lmaoand what? starve and go die in a ditch somewhere?
>>7137790>>7137792>>7137807Get a real job, nigger
>>7137816Then I won't have time/energy to draw.
Money would give me motivation to draw
>>7137816the future is now, old man
>>7137816I'd kill myself before wagecucking
>>7137782Yeah, pretty sad...Anyway, when will this "the absolute worst thing" happen to me so I could "stagnate" like that and make money?
>>7137782No one actually cares about actually improving technical skill. At least not beyond a certain threshold.The endgame for the majority of artists, whether they admit it or not, is financial success.Take pic rel for example, most consumers will say Groening is a good artist, not because he actually is but because he's successful. Meanwhile all the Korean or Canadian slaves that actually animate and draw all the promo material for his show will go unseen. An original greoning work would sell for hundreds of not thousands based purely off of his name alone.TL;DR: a "good" artist isn't defined by skill but by money/fame
>>7137782before patreon>artist does what he wants for freeafter patreon>artist does what consumers are willing to pay forPost that Arachnea though>>7137843>the endgame for artists is financial successNot quite the primary focus financial success usually comes from crippling your own work and suit it for a consumer demographic, IF you get the chance to monetize your workOP is a perfect example of an artist crippling his own work to be worthy of receiving money, despite the subjects being of lower artistic value i.e. coom>the simpsonsboy oh boy do you even know how many jokes got canned, censored and removed by fox?The Simpson we all saw and know is merely an inferior version of what Groening and his staff actually wanted to do.
>>7137843this, a skilled artist is someone who actually marketable. Only artist would care about technical skill, the non-artist don't give a shit about it most of the time.
>>7137816>real jobI'm not Murican so it's always funny when people say that phrase because drawing porn on Patreon is more lucrative than 99% of the jobs in my 3rd world country.Besides the pay disparity there's also the fact that we have different definitions of what a "real job" looks like since certain jobs that are considered plebeian in USofA can be considered prestigious jobs here.
>>7137843>The endgame for the majority of artists, whether they admit it or not, is financial success.Crabs act like Patreon is the reason why sellout artists are a thing when centuries ago most artists only drew for money.No one wants to end up like Van Gogh.>Known as the ultimate embodiment of the notion of the “poor artist”, Van Gogh was largely unable to sell his work during his lifetime. The letters between the artist and his brother Theo van Gogh tell of an eternal lack of money, and the difficulties this created when it came to practising his art.
>>7137782Oh nooo, now he has to spend a couple hours a day drawing a simple anime girl and posting it to make enough money to live comfortably without a job. How will he ever have the time or freedom to draw what he likes now?Why do people act like getting a well-paying job and pursuing art on the side is a good thing to do, but if someone manages to market their art well, they're going to be stuck doing whatever it is they're making money off of forever? If he stopped making cool personal art after succeeding on Patreon that's his own fault.
>>7137782>westoid shitGoes into the garbage bin
>>7137905You've probably never ever gotten money for your art, I bet you get 1 or 2 likes at most. The prebeg ignorance shows on your post
>>7137782underage detectedhow else you going to live as an artist? Of course you going to sell out and work for money doing repetative stuff. you need 1200-4000$ (europe-america) to survive, Timmy. Im 38, and I do this, and I miss the good old days when I lived with mom and was playing video games and drawing all the time. but stillworking as an artist is still better than having any other job on this planet, so whatever, I'm in a winning position anyways. So as that guy in OP's pic, despite begfags hating it
>>7137816>get in the cage, wagiecucky
>>7137816It is a real job>job>a task or piece of work, especially one that is paid.>Oxford dictionary
>>7137940>working as an artist is still better than having any other job on this planetThisI'd rather do cringe pandering art all day and not have time to do personal art than work at a soul sucking job all day and not have time to do personal art. Not even taking into account that being able to sustain yourself financially as an artist is a privilege by itself
>>7137782Happened to me too. Having extra money is too much to resist.
>>7137816Real jobs fucking suck and you need to spend 4 years and $40,000 on a baccalaureate in order to be qualified to do anything above burger flipping and shelf stocking.
>>7137899>No one wants to end up like Van Gogh.Speak for yourself. I got my ear-scissors and suicide-gun ready right besides me all the time.
>>7137816>invest college money on stocks>buy houses at crash prices>live comfy off rent for the past 15 yearsYes, get in the cagie, wagie.
>>7137918If you'd ever met a successful artist in person you'd know they all turn their online presence to shit like this for the algomemes, but keep drawing the stuff they like and selling like hotcakes to their actual fans at artist alleys and conventions.
>>7137816Seeing how this made other retards seeth so hard. It explains why almost everybody sucks at /ic/. Zero grit to actually work for lifelyhood while whining about not being able to draw. Bunch of failure men children.
>>7137782Both left and right look equally generic so I don't see what the issue is supposed to be
Why are you guys so obsessed with making minimum wage bucks from your art? Just get a night shift security guard job and draw all shift. Pays more for less work
>>7138380>supvervisor and management watching you on camera draw lolisho all night longwhat could go wrong
>>7138382They only look at footage if something happens ie you screwed up, otherwise it's asking them to go through literal hours of footage on the offchance Paul Blart jacked off at the desk instead of down the hall in their office where their hypocritcal asses don't have cameras.
>>7138417I'll get a job like that soon but I still need my current job for the dental insurance atm. I went to the dentist yesterday and it was like $700 for what they will do and my insurance cut it down to $90 and that's not including other stuff.It's insane how these health services treat you when you don't have insurance vs when you do.
>>7138380baka I cant find that job for shit in here and I hate it, had to do it for replacement for about 2 months and was the best 2 months of my life.
>>7138421It's funny I could apply to any unarmed security job in my city and get called back the same day or the next day. If only all jobs were like that.
>>7138434Security guards are barely paid and like >>7138419 points out there's no health benefits outside workers comp despite the chance of you getting shot/stabbed/beat up by "youths." Also all the supervisor/management positions are filled by retired boomers/ex-military so good luck ever being promoted.
>>7137894Umm sweetie, every country in the world belongs to America, therefore only American standards matter ;^)
>>7138439>So let me ask you, do you have insurance :-) :-)>yes>find ways to bleed you out until you reach your yearly cap>no>Well sir, there's the door. Don't come back, please. :-)
>>7137816>he has useful skills other than artLMAOCouldn't be me.
>>7138457Look at this text. If I type no I guarantee you I won’t hear back.
>>7138419>Imagine being gatekept into pursuing art for littel gain with another job that has no career prospects whatsoever.Holy shit get into blue collar work that doesn't destroy your body. We need the infrastructure necessary to house, feed and tax all these wannabe thirdie artists because the gooberment LOVES thirdies.
>>7138456you can't even make the endless horde of illegal aliens follow any standards
>>7138380i do this and i got no camera's in my hut bc the cameras moniter the outside, security license's are extremely cheap and courses are really short in terms of training for a job, spent less than a week and only 250 for course and license processing
>>7138497I know but I’ve been down this scenario before. I got my first job years ago only because I had a cavity that made me actually want to die and nobody was going to help me unless I forked over 300 for an extraction. That’s how fucked this world is. I really don’t want for anything bad to happen to my teeth ever again.
>>7138517I cheated on my test. I don’t think I would have passed because too many questions were trick questions and my trainer spent way too much time on story time about his days as a guard than actually teaching.
>>7138380I work in a small office that is open 24 hours so we get a security guard for the night shift and it would be my preferred job if I wasn't paid more money to do nothing on computers and draw in my free time.Anyway the guards usually play LoL or watch Netflix for twelve hours.
>>7137912Do you think jap artists are immune to this?
>>7137782>why you wanted to learn to draw in the first place.To escape society, another reason?
>>7138439>no health benefits outside workers compAnd also, no free gift cards. Today I got a free gift card for $20 for being a good wage slave and now I'll spend it on tendies.
Why is it so one or the other. You know you can have a job and pursue your art projects right?>>7138271You are on 4chan what did you expect?
No, Commercial success does not make you a worse artist, what makes you a worse artist is conformity. There are many cases of artists who working 12 hours a day for years and managed to become masters in their industry. It is obvious that you should find space in your schedule to continue your studies but that requires 120% effort and not many want or can give it.Kentaro Miura is an example of hard work and dedication to his art, work until his heart's vein explodes.
>>7138720>You know you can have a job and pursue your art projects right?and yet you never see it happen, artists grow stale and stop trying as soon as they get popular
>>7137782>naturally interested in pinup art>everyone considers it selling outwell jeez
>>7138735just don't draw anime and/or the popular shit and you'll be fine
>>7138720>You know you can have a job and pursue your art projects right?I can only get shitty, 60-hours-a-week jobs
>>7138747This because you are a moron.
>>7138747>TFW able to work 30 hours and still able to afford a frugal life
>>7138733Yeah some people do get lazy or lose passion but it doesn't have to be that way. Many great artists improved their entire lives.>>7138747Honestly this might just be a you problem.
>>7138762>>7138777I don't deny it. I hate school with a passion so I dropped out. That, and I'm a thirdie.
>>7138798>Dropped out College or high school? If the latter then shiggy diggy
>>7138529i dont blame you, my teacher made the test really easy and instead of taking the full 8 hours every class period she spent 4 explaining everything and then giving the portion of the test that covered the topics we covered that day
>>7138798>I don't deny it. I hate school with a passion so I dropped out. That, and I'm a thirdie.Education is not a passion, you had made a decision, be happy with that also if this decision has fucked your life.
>>7137782AIshit will push these trendchasers out of business anyway
>>7139440nta but I kinda wonder what my life would have been like if I didn't drop out and was more outgoing and stuck with those friends that buddies up to me in college. Unfortunately my social anxiety was so bad at the time that alone ruined my future than anything else.
>>7139737Your life might turn around thanks to the internet. Loads of people in your position blow up on social media to the point they quit their shitty job. There was a guy who bought a house because of a drawing ballon tower defense monkey drawn as makima.
>>7139750I hope so anon.
>>7137899>>7138064Van Gogh may not have committed suicide. Van Gogh was a bit of an arsehole - who, prior to becoming an artist, was an art dealer - and was predominately trying to create works for market.We know him from volume and personal narrative - if he had neither I doubt he would have caught post mortum.
>>7137782Sad what happens to most artists desu. They just give up. I loved his stuff honestlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCHjAWUxvrA
>>7137782Implying we can't do BOTH at once.
>>7137782buy bitcoins hodl and then spend the rest of your life drawing for passion
>>7141197you could but you won't
>>7141197only one who managed to do that was speedo, every other artist are stuck with coom fanart/fotm shit.
>>7137782its more about time, the ones on the left probably took him over a week while his audience DEMANDS new drawing every other day probably
>>7137912anime is a disease. and you got it
>>7141407Thankfully it can be cured by drawing ten thousand loomis heads. But you better get started soon, past a certain point it becomes terminal.
>>7137782People can do both earnest and lewd art, y'know.
>>7137816I lost my job
>>7141519lucky you, I'm handing in my 2 weeks notice tomorrow and quitting the same day
