I'm autistic, with ADHD. I can't focus on trying to get better at all or even come up with anything to draw without just giving up and going back to looking at my phone and doing something else.I've legitimately never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby and have gotten lazy over the years with my only actual one which is writing and the only reason I'm good at writing is because I wanted people to be able to understand what the fuck I was saying and I wanted to write good stories because I thought I'd never be able to make them in a visual medium, but that's it. I've never been able to commit to a serious routine, schedule, or anything. I just sit in my room online doing basically nothing.Everything I try doing looks so daunting and impossible. I tried learning Source Filmmaker as a teen and I gave up immediately because it looked too complicated. I tried learning how to make my own games in game maker, gave up immediately and never touched it. Even something like drawing just looks so complex and impossible. This is what it's like for everything I try doing.
the only thing i know for sure about you, is that you really are autistic, and not in the good way
Drawsocute
>>7146431So, what you're basically saying is that nobody ever taught you discipline, and now that you're older, you kinda realize that discipline is important, but because it's difficult to develop, you give up immediately and cope with "I'm ill, I'm autistic, I have ADHD".Jordan Peterson often recommends people to start with making their bed everyday: that's how you build habit, one little step at a time. Walk outside 10min every day, make 10 push-ups every day, eat at least once a day at a fixed hour, and so forth.Telling stories in a visual medium is a many years long endeavor, that will require you to fail and get up hundreds, thousands of times. Start by holding on to small things for month or two, grow some inertia, and slowly build from here.It takes about 2 or 3 months to build habits.And get. the. fuck. away. from screens as much as possible. Those things are dreadful brains fryers. Hug a tree or something instead. You will basically NEVER succeed if you don't relinquish screens.
>>7146623>start with making their bed everydayBut howHow should I order the layers? What do I do with the pillows? How should it look in the end. I don't get it at all. When I look it up there's a lot of tutorials doing different things and it's confusing. It's too much effort. How often should I do this and for how long? This is not good advice please I want real advice
>>7146631> look at me I'm funnyI'm sorry your parents never gave you as much attention and affection as you wish you had. If that helps, know that there are millions of people just like you.
>>7146632My satire is to make him realize how stupid he(Howie, the OP) sounds everytime he uses those same exact copy pasted responses to avoid trying anything at all. I want Howie to stop making these threads and start fucking drawing too. I know it's rude but I already tried the straight forward approach and it miserably failed. Please understand
>>7146639I thought you were OP making a n-th bait thread. The joy of anonymity. My bad
>>7146431The previous epic thread only just got pruned. I strongly advise Howie to re-read it, as he already got a lot of advice. I suggest no one gives further input as you can see it will be completely dismissed.>>7109754
>>7146639>I want Howie to stop making these threadsBut how do I stop making these threads? How do i stop my hands grabbing the phone whenever there isnt one of my threads on thr catalog? Everytime I try just my adhd stops me from being still and start typing responses for two hours straight.
>>7146431It's odd, but I find a good rule of thumb is understanding basic trig. Everyone I know who made it intuitively understood trig, so if that's you there's still hope!
>>7146431Fuck off, Howie.
>>7146666Here's the advice I've been given and why it won't work.>Just draw Can't because I don't have enough motivation or energy>Set alarms Can't because I don't have enough motivation or energy and I won't follow through>DrawaboxCan't because I don't have enough motivation or energy. I can't get through reading two paragraphs, and not actually doing any of it. All of it looks incomprehensible to me and I can't figure it out.>Lock your phone or delete certain apps. Block YouTube?Then I'll scroll on TwitterBlock Twitter?Then I'll go on discordBlock discord?Then I'll just sit and stare at a wall doing nothing.There's nothing that will make me more motivated to actually draw and be productive.>Do line exercises This won't help when I have no idea what to draw.>Grind Fundamentals This won't help when I have no idea what to draw.>Find a character you really like Don't have one and haven't had a hyperfixation in years.>Study the IC document Incomprehensible to me and I stopped at the first drawing exercise>Get a therapist They're not doing anything.>Switch meds Switched to Vyvanse and I feel worse.>Go somewhere elseI have nowhere to go
>>7147364They don't explain how to pet the dog. This is a dumb strawman comic that's been refuted a hundred times already.
>>7147326>i don’t have enough motivation or energyGet it then. What do YOU want to draw? What have you seen others draw that made you think “I wish I could draw that.” If you can’t find motivation somewhere, this hobby isn’t for you. As for energy, it doesn’t even take any energy to pick up a pen and paper. You don’t have to make a masterpiece every session, but just do SOMETHING, even if it’s drawing a few circles. >set alarmsNot necessary desu, drawing is better when you naturally do it. >drawaboxSame thing I said before. Find the motivation. >i have no idea what to drawThen think about it. There’s so many subjects, none interest you? Trees, humans, mechs, environments, etc. If you really can’t think of anything, just draw what’s right in front of you. Your biggest issue here is your mentality. I have adhd too anon, and I know it’s a struggle. However if you care at all about this craft you’re gonna have to put forth the extra effort and energy to improve. As for focus, just take it increments. Draw for 10 min, take a break, then return. Just try anon.
>>7147379I will continue asking for advice until this problem is fixed.
>>7146431being autistic give you a antural advantage at pattern recognitionbeing on the spectrum is a good sign you probably have a higher IQ than this whole board
>>7147385Tell me what the fuck to do then.I'm on a huge dosage of adderall every day. I've legitimately never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby and have gotten lazy over the years with my only actual one which is writing and the only reason I'm good at writing is because I wanted people to be able to understand what the fuck I was saying and I wanted to write good stories because I thought I'd never be able to make them in a visual medium, but that's it. I've never been able to commit to a serious routine, schedule, or anything. I just sit in my room online doing basically nothing.A higher dosage of vyvanse anti anxiety medication. This is on top of a booster dosage I'm taking each day too. My mind and my body locks up and prevents me from actually doing anything. Usually either out of anxiety or my mind and my body simply just locking up and telling me "What the fucks the point"? And just making me look back at my phone again or just stimming and staring at a wall.Legitimately NOTHING has worked. I felt better for a week and then nothing. This has gone back all the way since I was a teenager too. I had thyroid problems that got fixed, but this never got any better.I don't know how to get the motivation to do anything. Even when I do happen to try my hardest in doing something, it's always half as good or even just 2% as good as anybody else doing the same thing, because me being purely retarded and unable to learn or focus. Even when I try, nothing good happens. My entire body feels sore and I rest for the whole day. I've been working out for 2 years and lost 20 pounds as well.have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.>Gave up on Source Filmmaker>Gave up on GameMaker>Gave up on FireAlpaca>Gave up on Photoshop>Gave up on writing
Motivation or "resolve" is a form of psychosomatic energy which can be willed into the past.The monent you decide you have resolve it will always have been the case.There's a chance i'm explaining it shittily but essentially what i'm getting at is>Fake it till you make it>Except faking it makes it realYou really just have to dtop oberthinking it and go "I can definitely do this"I've been doing this for years whenever i'm confeonted with something i definitely couldn't have handled and every time i manage to scrape through or even excel so long as i manage to gather up the resolve to pisj through.The easy part is that the resolve trick works 100% of the time. Once you figure it out you're set for life.
>>7146623What’s even better is I’m actually Autistic, ADHD, destroyed my hand in in the marine corpse, oil field, and farming am in my mid 30s and decided to start drawing, so Howie is just a fucking looser sperg that spams threads and will NEVER EVER make it much less draw and should in all honestly if given a chance end his own miserable existence to do the rest of a small favor.
I'm quite convinced Howie is a troll. Not only is the first post copypasted, but so are his replies, like >>7147326 and >>7147395In the case you're for real, Howie, I'll just copypaste a reply from your previous thread:The thing is, you don't actually try. You just wish you could do these things. You look so them for a while, get overwhelmed, then say you cannot do anything and don't even try to learn.>But I don't know where to startYou get overwhelmed looking at the advice you get and rather than trying you just wish you could do these things magically with no effort.>But I have a disabilityYes, and no one expects you to be an amazing artist instantly. We know you'll struggle. But everyone has to try to learn. No one just wishes they can be good and have it happen.
>>7147524He IS a troll. Stop replying to his threads for fucks sake.
>>7147524So then what do I do? I get overwhelmed with every single guide I've ever seen, and I don't know the basics of any of the mat involved in making visual art. Is it really too high to be setting the bar to do literally anything at all?
>>7147524>then say you cannot do anything and don't even try to learn.Because it's the fucking truth of the matter. I have a literal learning disability that makes it impossible for me to learn anything remotely complex and it's affected me throughout my entire life. Every drawing guide I've ever seen looks too complex for me. Every single video looks too complex. All of it looks too overwhelming, exhausting and impossible for me to do. So what the fuck do I do about it?
>>7147577>>7147513I told you exactly what to do already. But you didn't listened. Assuming you're not baiting, I'm sorry to say that YOU're the source of your own misery.Not your shitty life, not your past issues. Listen to advises and take it slow, or keep being miserable, your choice.
I'm not making a new thread so I'm going to use one of this schizo's threads.How do you turn your brain off and start drawing with flow? I can't draw anymore because I became too self aware, like manually walking. You have to bend your thigh, bend your knee, move it forward, stay balanced, fall forward, land on your foot, push off with your other foot, retract it, bend it, push it forward, fall forward, swing your foot way ahead, and loop it over and over, hundreds of times continuously. Drawing feels like that now, I can't draw a line because the line becomes too thick, or too thin, or veers to the left or right. I'm so fucking pissed off
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>>7147395Game...Maker?
>>7147897That's because you're still a noob. As for walking, it becomes more unconscious after a while. But things like high accuracy seems to remain taxing.>>7147899Thanks. Won't reply to those threads now.
>/adv/ mods delete Howie threads since they are spam made by a severely mentally ill autist>Meanwhile /ic/
>>7147899why the fuck don't the jannies delete this shit?
>>7147989Because not enough people are reporting the threads here and the trolls are reporting in mass any interessing threads.
>>7147837No no no, i’m not howie, I just have all the same shit as him and learned to draw regardless, thus OP is a faggot and should end it.
>>7147899If you think he's bad here, you should see how prolific he's been on /adv/. I have no idea how he hasn't been permanently banned.Reposts in April 2024:My ADHD and ADD is ruining my life (26 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31130499/My ADHD is ruining my life (13 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31054304/How do I get better at drawing? (11 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31044048/How do I get better at drawing? (8 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31030618/Why can't I be creative? (8 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31030230/How do I get better at drawing? (8 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31027366/My ADHD is ruining my life (8 Apr)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31027339/Reposts in March 2024:How do I get better at drawing? (29 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30975771/(No title) (29 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30973294/How do I get better at drawing? (27 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30966029/How do I get a hobby? (24 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30954073/how do I get a hobby (24 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30950579/Should I force myself to draw everyday even if I don't want to half the time if its only a hobby? (21 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30939979/How do I deal with the fact that I will never be good at anything? (21 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30939833/How do i get a hobby? (20 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30934246/(No title) (16 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30910303/I'm feeling suicidal over the fact that I can't do any creative hobby (13 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30893742/(No title) (10 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30874414/Should I kill myself already? (9 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30870932/
>>7147899>>7148650(continued)Should I just kill myself already? (8 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30867109/(No title) (8 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30865059/How do I get an actual hobby? (7 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30860735/I can’t do anything but jerk off or sleep (5 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30849523/How do I get a hobby? (4 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30845306/How do I do anything (3 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30838815/How do I get a hobby? (2 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30833624/I literally can’t start drawing (1 Mar)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30827274/Reposts in February 2024:How to get actual hobby (28 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30818122/(No title) (27 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30812351/(No title) (26 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30807898/(No title) (26 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30806148/How do I fix my life? (24 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30794620/My autism, ADHD and learning disability are ruining my life (21 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30779164/My autism, ADHD and learning disability are ruining my life (20 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30775173/My autism, ADHD and learning disability are ruining my life (19 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30769638/My autism, ADHD and learning disability are ruining my life (19 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30768977/How do I get an actual hobby? (14 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30739922/How do I learn to draw? (7 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30699062/How do I get an actual hobby? (6 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30696689/(No title) (4 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30683324/How do I get an actual hobby? (1 Feb)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30667383/
>>7147899>>7148650(continued)Reposts in January 2024:How do I get an actual hobby? (26 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30633294/(No title) (25 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30624427/How do I finally start drawing? (25 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30622674/How do I finally start drawing? (24 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30622120/How do I get into the habit of drawing? (20 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30593747/How do I do anything? (19 Jan) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30589255/How do I finally become an artist? (19 Jan) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30587424/How do I do anything? (19 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30587194/How do I get into the habit of drawing? (18 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30585276/Will I ever be an artist with lines that look like this? (16 Jan) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30567258/ADHD (10 Jan)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30534024/ How do I do anything? (9 Jan) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30528827/How do I do anything? (5 Jan) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30504960/
>>7147899>>7148650(continued)Reposts in December 2023:How do I do anything? https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30470394/I can't keep living like this https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30464066/giving up on everything https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30455379/I can't live like this https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30460094/I don't want to live like this https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30446512/(No title) https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30424329/ Should I just kill myself already? https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30388646/ How do I learn how to draw?https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30384624/How do I get any actual hobby?https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30369135/How do I learn to draw at 24?https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30351076/Can I still be a visual artist?https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30336992/How do I get an actual hobby?https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30361438/I literally can't learn or do anythinghttps://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30351503/I feel like I'm trapped in my own body (ADHD)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30336926/I literally can't learn or do anything.https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30336792/I literally don't have a hobbyhttps://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30321189/I feel trapped in my own body (ADHD)https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/30303447/
>>7147837No, you haven't told me what to do. You haven't hold me where to start, what techniques to use, what sources to look at. Anything. I get nothing useful out of your replies to me.
>>7146431>pursues hobby they dont enjoy>why am i not as good at this hobby i dont enjoy as people who enjoy it?the only good, talented, productive artists i know got that way because they actually love drawing in the way most of you retards love playing video games and consuming porn why are you pursuing a hobby you dont enjoy? egotistical retard
>>7149118>I know you better than you know yourself Actually, no, you don't. So I'd suggest you stop pretending like you do. Take what I say at face value and offer genuine advice to me or don't.
>>7149122lmao get over yourself
>>7149123How about some actual advice instead?
>>7149125i gave it to you already, crybaby >I can't focus on trying to get better at all or even come up with anything to draw without just giving up and going back to looking at my phone and doing something elsethis is what you enjoy:>going back to looking at my phone and doing something else>I just sit in my room online doing basically nothinghave fun consoomingget over that you will likely be a mediocre human who doesnt get hoards of followers or admiration for some deep creative prowess theres lots of you. they make the grocery stores run.
>>7148655bwahaha holy fuck anon coming in with the receipts. it's so over for this guy
>>7148655>>7148654>>7148652>>7148650>Guy continuously asks for real advice >Majority of responses are people spamming song lyrics, pointing our how many times they've made the thread and flat out insulting him>Only 1% of these threads have actual advice given in them You're making a pretty good case for Howie.
>>7149126Then should I give up on pursuing literally any hobby ever? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
>>7148655I'd laugh but I kinda feel bad for this level of mental illness
>>71464311. Go on the artwork/critique board2. Start a thread with lazy as fuck trolling because lol drawshits are fucking dumb3. Wait for drawtards to eat the shitty, not even from a fucking kilometer funny or in any conceivable way minimally poignant bait, something like "how do me draws gdood ?!? Low res photo of single pencil line on a piece of shit stained toilet paper.jpg" 3. Laugh wholeheartedly at all the funny hijinks that ensue, man this was so fucking fun goddamn 4.????5. PROFIT!
>>7149130pursuing a hobby you dont enjoy under repeated attempts to produce stuff people will like/get you self esteem will never lead anyone to creative passion sorry if he does not like that answer, but it looks like all he does is pursue attempts to make stuff for other people to consoom even though it brings him no joyas i said before every good, passionate, talented artist i know that didnt get that way from it being their actual job, got there from actually enjoying their hobby enough to want to do it regularly enough to get goodif you dont have that what the fuck are you doing? what are you seeking? some end goal of people consuming your content and validating you? nigger you need friends or a job not an art mentor
>>7149130Exactly the opposite of reality, whenever this guy gets any advice he immediate follows up with excuses and rationalizations as to why the advice given wont/can't work. It's been proven several times that OP is an emotional vampire, "learning to draw" is thinly vailed pretense to create off-topic threads about his personal issues and harvest attention online. He does the same shit on /adv/.
>>7149135what do you do with all your time?dont lie. like actually look at what you spend most of your time doing.when you're "doing nothing online" you are not doing nothing. what are you doing? shitposting? talking to people? reading about a topic? consuming porn? playing video games? be honest with yourself; what activities actually reward you for doing them enough that they keep you looped in?
>>7149143Legitimately nothing. All I do is lay in my bed, look at my phone; jerk off and go to sleep, then go to a job for 3 hours. That's it. And occasionally playing a video game for an hour or two. I've also tried writing again, but I can't get the hyper focus I used to. I am not setting the bar too high to ask to do anything else.
>>7149148>nothing>look at my phoneokay is he phone a fucking blank screen? like cmon man stop fucking lying all the time. go be honest with yourself about where you actually put all your time. go spend like an hour thinking about it without lying to yourself about how its "nothing, poor me, nothing in this world! nothing!" when it is very clearly something. make a fuckin list of the shit you do on your phone/computer all the time or something.
>>7149140Oh for fuck's sake. Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.>Gave up on Source Filmmaker>Gave up on GameMaker>Gave up on FireAlpaca>Gave up on Photoshop>Gave up on writingI didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.
>>7149143Anon, stop. Just. Stop.Dont you see your discourse is going in circles? Dont you see the people saying this has been a constant for several months now? Why are you still trying to give insightful critiques to a troll that has been doing the exact same skit for LITERAL MONTHS? Why do you continue wasting your time and perpetuating this behavior?At this point you are as stupid as OP and anyone defending him.
>>7149153cus ur a faggot and it bothers you
>>7149150Looking at YouTube videos, listening to things in bed while doing nothing and jerking off. That's all I do. You choosing not to believe me is not going to get rid of the truth of the matter.
>>7149148>3 hours jobLegit disabled confirmed
>>7149156>You choosing not to believe me is not going to get rid of the truth of the matter.stop lying and blaming me for your problems as a way out you little fucking worm >Looking at YouTube videos, listening to things in bed while doing nothing and jerking off.what are the youtube videos about?what types of things are you listening to?what are you jerking off to?
>>7149159>what are the youtube videos about?>what types of things are you listening to?>what are you jerking off to?Why does that matter?
>>7149161ok retard suffer in mediocrity forever
>>7149158I'm a literal special needs retard. Autistic, ADHD, ADD, went to special needs schools. So what the fuck do I do about it?
>>7149163FIND WHAT BRINGS YOU JOY AND STOP BEING DISHONEST WITH YOURSELF, RETARD
>>7149142You can't blame Howie for getting emotional when you spam him with song lyrics and don't actually interact with anything or offer genuine advice. There's several of these threads where actual advice is being given and it looks like it's actually going somewhere, only for someone to start spamming how many times he's made the thread or spammed song lyrics to derail the thread.
>>7149166Learning how to draw is what would bring me joy. Expressing myself through writing and art is what brings me joy. And I still can't bring myself to do that because I'm constantly distracted or don't have enough motivation to do it.
>>7146431>I'm autistic, with ADHDYou don't.
>>7149167Considering he legit copypastes his own template responses and has done for months, I think you are falling for a sad troll. Now you feel bad about him and give him an excuse to keep spamming. To another year of Howie threads. Cheers!
>>7149166Learning how to draw is what would bring me joy. Being able to express myself with drawing and writing would bring me joy.
Even when I feel super motivated to draw I can't do it. I either get distracted and look at my phone again, or my medicine makes me too shaky to do any sort of work with my hands which in turn prevents me from improving at all.
>>7149152I also couldn't help but notice nobody gave a response to this. Almost like I actually like the prospect of drawing, but nobody actually believes me because they don't want to engage with me on any serious level.
>>7149162Changed your tone quickly when you couldn't refute anything I said.
>>7149324Try practicing a different hobby every day. One day you draw, next day you write and the day after that is a day off. After that try something else.
>>7149343I don't know HOW to do the hobbies is the problem. I don't even know the basics, I get overwhelmed and give up immediately. Then I just lose energy and motivation and just stop.
>>7149343Literally everything about every visual hobby looks too exhausting and complicated for me to do.
>>7149345Who's telling you that you need to know HOW to do something if you want to do them? I know you want to be able to create something good first try but the fact of the matter is that you will never make something good if you cannot keep at it. You don't need to know HOW to do a hobby. That's the whole point of learning one. You're not gonna show anyone your stuff are you? Or do you only want to draw because you want validation from others?
>>7149366Then don't draw complicated things. Cartoon styles exist and most of them are built up from simple 2D shapes like circles and triangles.
>>7149370I want to do literally anything other than laying in my bed. I used to be able to write for hours, but I've never finished a single story, nor was ever able to commit myself to one. I want to do something, anything, and I want to be able to express any sort of creativity I have. I don't have any way of expressing it because I don't know how to do anything.
>>7149373I tried Loomis and gave up once the body construction started. And I don't know how to use it for anything that I actually want to draw.
>>7149374>>7149377Then don't use Loomis or any of that shit. And like I said you don't need to know HOW to do it. It's just something you DO. The only person stopping you is yourself. Are you really going to let your ADHD or Depression or whatever the fuck you have rule over your life forever. You just gotta DO stuff. Do it without thinking. Try getting a drawing app on your phone since you can't get away from it. And just doodle. Don't bother with all the construction crap. You clearly don't have the motivation for it yet.
>>7149383I don't like doodling with my fingers, it's too difficult and even worse than a stylus pen. I can't make myself draw because I always give up and stare at a wall or my phone again. I'll doodle circles for 3 minutes and then get bored and stop. I don't know how to get the motivation to do literally anything at all. And this is what it's like for every creative hobby I've ever tried doing. Even for non-creative hobbies.
>>7149391You need to stop making excuses and just do stuff, man. You can't expect other people's advice to help you when you can't help yourself.
Stop giving attention and defending Howie, he DOESN'T wants to actually draw. Any genuine advice will be ignored and he will default with his NPC behavior by posting copypastas.
>>7149394Sorry I'm not on here too often. Is this guy known for being like this regularly? I'm just trying to help a guy out but he keeps making excuses after excuses for himself.
>>7149393How do I "just do stuff" when my ADHD and ADD makes it impossible and no medication helps? This is what it's been like for my whole life.
>>7149397See those >>7148650>>7148652>>7148654>>7148655It's not worth your time, trust me.
>>7149397I'm not making any excuses. I'm explaining to you my situation and why I can't make myself do literally anything.
>>7149399How are you even alive if that's your attitude? Every reply is now gonna get saged, you're being annoying now.
>>7149404bro at this point you should just shuffle off this mortal coil
>>7149407I struggle to even eat a fucking sandwich without taking breaks in between bites. This is my fucking life.
>>7149409That's something us anons cannot help you with I'm afraid. You need to seek professional help if that's the case, and I mean this in the kindest way possible.
>>7149410Been medicated and seeing a psychiatrist for most of my life. Even when medicated, I can't do anything. I am at my wits end.
>>7149408How about some actual advice?
>>7149423no
>>7149412Is the reason you post here solely because you want an army of people on the Internet to validate your suicidal ideation or
>>7149425Then get the fuck out of my thread and I'll wait for somebody else to give me advice.
>>7149429Give you advice on doing what? Do you have a clear goal on what you want to do?
>>7149430I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual. I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything.>>7149428No, it's actually because I'd like to do literally any hobby period besides just laying in bed.
>>7149431That's what you think your goal is probably but what you're really doing is just using 4chan as a way to vent to other people about how much you hate yourself under the guide of seeking help
>>7149431Just so I understand. You want to illustrate stories. Is that correct?
>>7149429no u
>>7149437Yes. >>7149433>I know you better than you know yourself Actually, no, you don't. So I'd suggest you stop pretending like you do. Take what I say at face value and offer genuine advice or don't.
>>7149459>Take what I say at face valuelollmaorofl
>>7149461Assuming you know me better than I know myself will not lead to productive conversation.
>>7149437Yes, and every single drawing guide that I've ever looked at looks far too exhausting and difficult for me to do. I don't even know basic trigonometry.
For fuck's sake give him REAL advice already. Stop gatekeeping art.
>>7149507>>7149459Not including your personal issues or mental health problems, what technical or creative problems are you having that are preventing you from achieving the goal of illustrating stories. Please keep in mind when you answer that I cannot teach you how to do basic trigonometry or offer any solutions to mental health limitations or personal/emotional issues. This is an artwork and critique board not a mathematics or a psychology board.To reiterate: what questions do you have about CREATIVE, TECHNICAL, or ARTISTIC problems involved with illustrating stories?
>>7149513>>7149512>what technical or creative problems are you having that are preventing you from achieving the goal of illustrating storiLiterally everything, I don't understand how any of these drawing techniques work and all of them look incomprehensible. I don't know how to apply them for anything I actually want to draw, I don't know how to use them, I don't know anything. Here's some of the video guides that I've looked at.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9m4Hf_6U4Rchttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DUldcJRo4cAhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mT9Vbb7WDMoEvery drawing exercise or guide looks flat out incomprehensible and too complicated for me to follow. I try following it, but I can never understand how to do it. I don't know how to apply it to things I want to draw and I flat out can't even complete any of the exercises. I have tried the IC sticky, gave up after fucking up the first upside down sketch and never went back to it. Gave up on one line exercise and never went back to it. Gave up on Loomis once the body construction started. Gave up on Keys to drawing because that looked too complex and I can't even make myself read past a single paragraph because of me being distracted. Whenever I start drawing, I literally can't make sense of something as simple as drawing hair. I can't understand 3D perspective nor make sense of it in my brain.
>>7149518Just to be clear, you are trying to learn how to draw human figures, but the methods for constructing figures that are trying to follow are too complicated for you to understand?
>>7149518tl;dr>i'm fucking dumb
>>7149519Yes. Or basically trying to construct anything at all. Let alone the fact that I have physical problems such as body tremors that make it hard for me to draw too. Or my ADHD distracting me, or my ADD making me too unmotivated to try it. I haven't even made a single stick figure or even tried body construction yet because all of it looks too complex for me. I get visually overwhelmed by all the lines involved in construction too.
>>7149520Stop derailing the thread.
>>7149526stop shitting rhe board
>>7149519And the fact that I don't know how to use them beyond the video. I don't know how to apply them to different poses or things I actually want to draw, let alone everything else.
>>7149523I feel that I need to remind you that this is an artwork and critique board. Your physical problems like body tremors and your mental health problems such as ADHD and ADD and feelings of becoming overwhelmed are NOT creative, technical, or artistic problems. If those are the primary issues you are having that are preventing you from illustrating stories they are entirely off-topic discussion. You will need to get help for those issue from somewhere else. Artists and art critics are the wrong people to be asking for help with those issues.>>7149528You mentioned Loomis, do you have Fun With A Pencil?
>>7149531Yes, and I gave up the moment the body construction started and I couldn't understand it.
>>7149532I will go through the book with you and help where I can. Turn to page 16 and attempt the guided exercise for drawing 4 funny faces. If you get stuck at any point photograph your progress and tell me where you encountered a problem. Otherwise post the 4 completed drawing for critique before we move on to the next exercise.
>>7149536I have college work to be doing right now which I've also been procrastinating on thanks to my problems. I will update if I can even manage to do this today, but almost 100% gurantee I won't be able to.
>>7149536Also I have already done one of these faces before.
>>7149540I want to go back to a previous post you mad in the thread. >>7149148 You never mentioned "college work" in addition to your 3 hours of work, masturbation and, video games. How much free time per day would you say that you do have outside of work and school that you can dedicate to art practice?>>7149545Please attempt all 4 from page 16 in the book.
>>7149549>How much timeI would say line 6 to 7 hours, but I can never make myself actually do it and instead just sit in my room doing nothing like always. This just happened to be on the weekend that I had college work due.
>>7149553Being unwilling or unmotivated to attempt art practice is not a creative, technical, or artistic problem. If that is the primary issues you are having that is preventing you from learning illustration fundamentals you will need to get help for that issue from somewhere else.When you have time available. Please attempt the guided exercises from page 16 and I will continue to help you at that time.
>>7149558Won't the thread will either be dead or deleted before then? I'm also skeptical if even completing these faces will be worth it because they're not anything that I'd actually like to draw.
>>7149558Also, 90% of the problems I'm having are because of my mental and physical issues leading to the creative and technical issues. There are plenty of artists with these conditions that have managed to work around them. So for the love of fucking god, could you or someone else give me fucking advice on how to get around these issues. There are artists with tons of unmedicated conditions that are able to do this shit that I can't do.
>>7149571This is not the mental and physical issues board. This is the artwork and critique board.>>7149561Completing these basic exercises is the first steps towards learning how to draw almost anything. I want to go through them slowly and in detail so we can find exactly what part of the process you are not able to understand. Based of the list of threads posted earlier, you have been terminally online for the past 6 months (and probably a lot longer). I'm sure you can create a new thread when you are ready to proceed. If you don't care enough to bump your own thread that is your problem, if you don't want my help that is also your problem. I'll be here when you are ready to attempt the guided exercise. Page 16. Fun With A Pencil.
>>7149575The part of the process that I don't understand is all of it. All of it looks too visually complicated, overwhelming and impossible to figure out. I don't understand any of it.
>>7149579The first step is drawing a circle. Are you able to draw a circle?
>>7149581Yes. And everything else beyond that is too difficult for me to comprehend. Mathematically and visually.
>>7149582Draw a circle post an image of it and we will proceed to the next step.
>>7149584
>>7149588The next step is to draw another circle anywhere within the first circle. Imagine the circle you just drew is a face, and place the other small circle where the nose on that face will be.
>>7149589
I CAN FEEL UR FACE
>>7149592Imagine the main circle is round, like a ball. Draw a curved line that divides it in half horizontally, and then draw a curved line that divides it in half vertically.
>go into /ic/ after a year>howie still is here>anons are feeding the schizo
>>7149588>>7149592>>7149602He's doing it bro, this is the year that howie pets the fucking dog. LETS GOOOO!
>>7149600
>>7149614You forgot the other dividing line. One horizontal one vertical. round, like a ball.
>>7149604the howie will fully draw something when trannies becomes real women and the jannies do their job properly
>>7149615
>>7149650Two more horizontal lines. One line above the "nose" and one line below the "nose". Try to imagine a face again, one line will be where the eyes are on a face and the other where the mouth is.
>>7149169>>7149284keep lying to yourself you egocentric status seeking retard
>>7149655>>7149664Do you not want me to draw or what?
>>7149667The next part in the book is probably a bit too complex for you right now. So I want you to repeat the part you just did a few times. Each time try imagining the "face" is pointed in a different direction from the previous drawing.Repeating the exercise you are doing now is important for helping develop muscles used for drawing in your body, visualizing forms in your mind, understanding and simulating the division and orientation of objects in three dimensions, and developing a habit of practice. Keep drawing more of these proto-blooks and post the results after each one.
>>7149667if you dont enjoy it, you will not get good at iti want you to stop being a status seeking clown and find what you actually enjoy
>>7149575post ur work lol
>>7149431ding ding dingnigger needs friends/a community not art
>>7150067>>7150073>I know you better than you know yourself.Actually, no, you don't. So I'd suggest you stop pretending like you do. Take what I say at face value and offer genuine advice, or don't. I enjoy drawing, I want to be able to hyper focus on it for hours and hours. I used to be able to do this when I was younger.
>>7150067I do not wish to draw to seek any type of status or clout, I want to draw because I want to draw, there's nothing more complicated to it than that. Fuck off, or give me actual, genuine advice.
>>7148655Bro I wish to have the free time this troll has, jesus fucking christ
>>7150101>I enjoy drawing,>cant come up with anything to draw without just giving up and going back to looking at my phone and doing something elsesure you do. people do what they enjoy because it rewards them you want people to consume your shitty stories and call you a good boy but because your art sucks and no one does that, its not fun for you; theres no reward because the act of drawing itself is not the reward as it is for other people who actually enjoy artfind what actually makes you happy, dumbass
>>7150126>I know you better than you know yourself.Actually, no, you don't. So I'd suggest you stop pretending like you do. Take what I say at face value and offer genuine advice, or don't.
No matter how shit my life gets, at least I am not HowieEither he's a troll that has spent more than a year spamming several boards everyday with copypasted responses, or he's severely mentally ill and incapable of doing anything, and has wasted hundreds of hours of people trying to help him. And either way I'm glad I'm not him.
>>7150159>Take what I say at face value
>>7150169at this point, it's probably a troll, a ultra faggy one
>>7150170Yes. Otherwise this conversation will go nowhere.
>>7150183it went nowhere from the get go
>>7146431pet the dog
>>7147373JUST DRAW. GRAB A PENCIL AND DRAG IT ON THE PAPER. THIS MAKES A LINE. NOW MAKE A LOT OF LINES TO MAKE A SHAPE APPEAR. THATS ALL IT IS.
>>7150215It went nowhere because you didn't offer me any advice and instead assumed you knew me and what I want better than I do.
>>7150293Do they say that in the comic?
>>7149673>The next part in the book is probably a bit too complex for you right now. So I want you to repeat the part you just did a few times. Each time try imagining the "face" is pointed in a different direction from the previous drawing.That's my problem. I literally cannot even get past the basic stages of drawing. How long will this take before I can draw something as basic as a fucking face?
Just from that one little exercise I did yesterday, I have pains in my arm now.
>>7150389>Just from that one little exercise I did yesterday, I have pains in my arm now.Just imagine if you had started practising a year ago rather than wasting all this time complaining. You would already be so much better, and you wouldn't be in pain any more.Do you think a person who wants to run a marathon can do it without practice? Do you think after they practice they don't hurt at all? Do you think they get better and stop hurting over time?If only you had actually tried drawing like you were told to a year ago, and stuck with it. You'd be so much further along.Now you're put pencil to paper, please don't stop. You've proven you're capable of it. But you will not be amazing immediately. It requires practice and patience. If you stop trying, then there is literally nothing anyone can ever do to help you. As long as you try, there's hope.
>>7150769My wrists and elbow hurt. I probably won’t be able to draw again for at least a week. How can I possibly improve if it’s literally painful to draw?
replying to this should be a bannable offense
>>7150818He's the Andy Kaufman of /ic/.Legit amazing. I hope he never leaves.
>>7150772You missed the point. Training hurts. Getting better at something hurts. But it hurts less and less over time. You just need to keep trying. It will get better, but only if you try.
>>7150837Both of you are legit faggotsWhy hiromoot didn't sold this shit out to Tencent yet?
Still can't bring myself to practice
>>7152463Then kill yourself.
why do jannies allow these threads on the catalog?
>>7152469>people are not reporting enough to interrupt the jannies gooning and dilation session
>>7147326You don't have any agency over your own life. Either accept you're a robot build to consume Twitter or make actual changes and become an artist. You are in control but you haven't learned it yet.
>>7152463If you don't try and keep trying there's nothing anyone can do to help you.
>>7152469/adv/ janny deletes Howie's threads on sight. /ic/ janny is a lazy wanker
>>7147395>start writing again>pay artist to draw your writing>writing is now in visual medium>motivation to keep writingboom profit.
>>7152572How do I make changes?
>>7152934I want to make art of my own.
>>7153339Try.>>7153341Try.>But it hurtsSee >>7150840But-See >>7152735
>>71464311. GET MEDICATED2. JUST FUCKING DRAWDRAWING IS EASYGETTING BETTER IS EASYTHE FUNDAMENTAL WAYS TO PROGRESS AREE A S YSTICKING WITH IT AND KEEPING UP MOTIVATION IN THE FACE OF FAILURE IS HARDYOU HAVE TO BE PERSISTENTIF YOU GIVE UP EVERY FIVE SECONDS THEN YOU'LL NEVER ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING
>>7154623Fuck off boxman
>>7154623I have been medicated for my entire life and this has never gotten any easier for me. Every long acting medicine makes me shake far too much to draw or do any fine motor skills, and any short acting medicine doesn't give me a big enough boost of energy.
>>7152735The problem is my medicine makes me shake too much to fucking try. Whenever I go on a long acting stimulant to get me focused, I can barely even fucking write my own name, let alone draw anything. Last stimulant I tried, I could barely even hold a glass of water without shaking. Lower dosage just made me feel sleepy.
>>7149150not that anon but for me, yes. I spend a lot of time on the computer just looking at my desktop/front page of a site without actually focusing on anything. I'm trying to figure out what to do but can't find a good enough idea, its like my entire life is me standing in front of the cashier at mcdonalds looking at the menu in fear.
>>7154657>>7154637I even tried getting this fixed with multiple medications to stop my shakiness and nothing has worked. I felt like shit on all of them.
Y'know I always conflicted about these threads because I do sympathize and relate with Howie. But I also think he should TRY to fix his problems instead of bitching on 4chan.
>>7154777>TRYfucking kek does these >>7147899 >>7148650 mean anything will change ever??retard jannies won't delete these threads because they're all braindead NIGGERS
>>7154782>Howie thread, lolibait thread and a Cris thread are up>But you can get banned for ""shitposting""Fucking niggers
Bump
>>7156641Kill yourself for bumping this slophole of a thread
>>7154777I've been trying for over a year now.
