Denied to share his process and files with me only to give it to some rando on xitter some time later

Sure.
1. Not sticking up for me and in fact engaging in the shark attack, bathing themselves in a misunderstanding they could have cleared up all by themselves but chose not to because they wanted to pretend to be a girl
2. Shitting on my work when I post, trying to ID me by style so that I could be shat on by everyone in certain generals
3. Preemptively blocking me on social media
4. Running my name/character/brand into the ground with perpetuated lies to other people
5. Putting me through years of depression with butt slapping in the dark
6. Derailing my art journey by giving me false advice all while not really helping me, disappearing at random/unfollowing while still being present while talking to other people
7. And while I was rotting for a year or 2 they were drawing and making video games
8. Not once have they reached out to me to see if I was okay or a hello. Nothing. Preventive block on every new account they make with the excuse of not wanting me to find their accounts or “acting like a normal human being” as if we’re not both cut from the same cloth just because he gained a little bit of followers they think they’re better than me.

It doesn’t matter though. I’ll become popular.

>>7269779
That sounds painful if true. I hope you make it out of that mess.

>>7269779
I was wondering why I always felt iffy about online people but this seems to explain it, many people are still savages at the end of the day, even on 4chan of all places

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No, but I have been abandoned.
I used to draw with my art friend all night long every night on Drawpile, our art styles became so homogenized it was hard to tell who made what.
Then one day he stopped answering to my messages and called another artist to collaborate with him on a project.
I miss my friend.

>>7269743
where is the loomis in this picture? Why are their noodles? Why did the artist disregard the fundamentals?

>>7269743
Helped friend draw their comic, got told I was clingy because I assumed we were friends. Made the mistake of getting mad at them when they ghosted me after I set aside a whole day to discuss the comic with them, even told them before hand and it was agreed upon. Other artist got mad at me for being angry about my time being shit on.
Never got so much as a thank you for hours and hours of free art I contributed to the book before the person decided to tell me to go fuck myself.

>>7269779
Sounds straight out of /r9k/. I've seen this kind of thing before. Have you ever considered they don't want anything to do with you?

>>7269822
Have you considered not being a cunt?

>>7269814
Sorry bro

>>7269824
Yep. Straight out of /r9k/

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>>7269779
>butt slapping in the dark

>>7269838
Or in your case, straight out of comebacks.

>>7269822
Then they should have never involved themselves with me in the first place.

>>7269885
That's unreasonable. It's hard to know what someone really is like unless you actually interact with them. If it doesn't work, fine. That's just the way the world works. People move on.
You said you were being ignored for two years, but the problem seems that you aren't letting go of your oneitis.

You guys are a bunch of losers.

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>>7269779
I thought you finally moved on.

>>7269898
I did I’m just punching the pillow

>>7269822
>I've seen this kind of thing before.
Sounds straight out of /r9k/. Have you ever considered why these kind of things happen around you?

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>>7269905
You are acting like a bitch while he's still here.

>>7269917
No he’s not.

>>7269917
>>7269918
Take it to discord, troons

>Telegram group of draw frens
>One fren always helped me with anatomy tips and stuff
>We used to draw together in drawpile
>Time passed and his popularity started to grow
>I Even paid him for some commissions to help
>Time passed again and he made it and got a solid fanbase
>One day I asked him if he could give me a tip in a pose I was having a hard time with and he said only if I pay
>He never talked to me again after this

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>>7269918
He's shy.
>>7269919
But this is the thread.

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No I don’t have any art friends and yearn for one

>>7269920
You willingly made yourself his client, what did you expect?

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>>7269928
Then pyw

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>>7269934
I’m just drawing floating heads, at best with a torso… so

>>7269923
They’re perfectly adjusted and can hold a conversation just fine. If they are here they would have made a post in a similar vein to >>7269822

>>7269949
Nah I have him ID'ed, he's not here here but he's here.

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>>7269952

>>7269952
Okay whatever it doesn't matter anyway. I'm just giving my experience per the thread prompt. My form of moving on is simply becoming more popular than he could ever be.

>>7269952
actual schizophrenia

>>7269949
>>7269963
or posts like this

it's either these 2 ususally

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I see that you've all made an appeal to gratitude. It's a common mistake humans make around beasts.

>>7269931
Commission an entire draw is not the same as giving a tip like anons do here. Anyway he ended up helping me because he felt guilty but nevermore

>>7269743
Katsunei showed interest in my art back when I was beg. Then I improved in a years time. And then he blocked me. I hate his stupid dick girls.

>>7269743
Back in high-school I drew porn of my teachers and my friend snitched on me and I was put in a program where they assumed I was molested because I experienced more hypersexual attributes than normal kids

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I'm so jealous of all your vendettas. I want blood too.

>>7270046

it’s better to stay a virgin

i’m lucky. i’ve loved all my old art friends (irl and url) and still do.
>the only art people who’ve done really bad things to me were strangers who just occupied he same sites and felt i was competition, which never bothered me, even though they always somehow got me kicked off whatever interactive site in the end. (I’d just use it as a boost to get back to rl work.)
but goddamn. i’ll love all my old art friends forever.

Seeing all the betrayal and stuff makes me happy I don't have any friends other than Anonymous

>>7269743
Once told someone not to share the work off my private lewd account and they did it anyway so I cut them off. Other than that not much because I don't tolerate even one iota of foolishness.

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>>7269743
I was moots with George Alexopoloptomotopus (picrel) when he first made his Twitter account, after getting run off Plebbit. Always seemed friendly enough to me, even DMed him a couple times and he always replied. Then one day, after he got popular on Twitter, for no reason I can figure out, I’m not only unfollowed but blocked! I never did anything to ruffle his feathers.
In retrospect it wasn’t a huge loss. I just want to know what the fuck I did that triggered him so bad.

I'm a pre-pre-pre /beg/ now, but when I was a writer I tried several times to colloborate with artists on a comic. They all got sick or had family emergencies i.e. probably dropped the project like a sack of hot potatoes. So that's why I'm learning to draw myself, I can't ghost myself can I? pssh, nothing personel kid, but friends... just get in the way

>>7270538
no big loss, he seems like a piece of shit

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>>7269743
I wouldn't say betrayed but I have had art friends just completely 180 on me out of nowhere or flip out for no real reason.

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>>7270560
>learning to draw just to complete a project where you weren't even supposed to be the one drawing
Now THAT is dedication.

>>7269743
why is scott holding hands with wallace

>>7270823
O'Malley drew it, he ships them because he's a closet bifag

>>7269743
People should clarify if they suffer from autism ITT I bet it would clear many of these "betrayal" stories.

An artist friend let her friend make fun of my work and the fact that a Vtuber that I really love liked one of my drawings saying "that was a bot, really no one would like your work"
I just walked away from her and her toxic friend of hers, sometimes I miss her but I guess inaction is still action after all.

>>7270878
Who was it? Chromu?

>>7270910
no, Shiori Novella

>>7270823
why wouldn't he hold hands with wallace?

>>7270917
Ah, just some soulless corporate vtuber. They're never genuine.

>>7269743
No but looking at this thread it seems I'm not missing anything important.

>>7269743
My two bits is that social media stuff doesn't ever matters, unless you're an actual abuser like Dom (and even then) you'll can still always make gain a million new followers, gain new mutuals, make money, whatever your objective is. I know people that make the most beg coomshit and got their accounts hacked and got ten thousand followers again in some 5 months, more followers than they ever had, nobody cares what one hater thinks.
What hurts the most is when you're in a small tight knight community, you add someone in, you think you have a great friendship with them, and slowly they reveal how mentally ill they are, and put everyone else against you.

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>>7270815
You only have yourself in this world. Considered commissioning artists to do the art side of things with some dosh I saved up but even that didn't work because artists just don't meet deadlines.

>>7270919
I’m straight but I respect Wallace enough to platonically hold his hand. Hes probably the one okay gay.

>>7270855
Everyone is autistic (or claims to be) nowadays. You should just assume it about everyone you meet unless you have reason to think otherwise.

>nice amount of replies about friend becoming famous and acting cocky with you before cutting off the frenship or straight up blocking you.
*gulp* buddy suddenly got like 11k followers and has an active audiencie, is it gonna happen? damn it its all my fault!

>>7271010
Same here. Writer, comissioned stuff, ran the numbers for what I needed, and decided to learn to draw instead.
I've spent a years (interspersed with writing books) grinding on fundamentals and making little progress, but now that I'm taking a break, I'm starting to see results. Not to anybody else's eye, but I can see that I improved. What's more, I've learnt how to have fun doing it, the same way I have fun writing. When working on my personal pieces, I just invoke the same sentimental picturing that I do for my writing
Good luck in your journey and don't give up. Not a lot of people can master two skills at once, but once you do, you'll become a god.

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>>7272185
>>7271010
Based.

>>7271914
autistic is the new cool special snowflake nowadays

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>>7272185
same, i commissioned some artist to do a drawing and never responded, so I started to draw and when i thought i had the skill to make it real, i did it for myself. Took me a lot of time but it was worth

>>7269743
Art people are... weird.
You should always be on your guard with an art nigga, for they be sharpening your pencils and then taking the graphite back.
You must always keep your head about you, for when you don't, thats when they talk smack.
And you must always be somewhat formal with them, or else they'll bitch about what you lack.
Nigga

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Not only just an art friend but my best friend (at one point)
>always drew together since we were kids
>would draw for hours and hours over voice calls or irl at one of our places
>helped him with improving his art all the time, called me his art teacher at one point
>friend makes social media, i never did
>friend starts to get followers
>stops coming over or letting me visit
>slowly stop messaging or calling me
>when he did answer me it was about what him and his new (popular) friends are doing
>he stops interacting with me completely after awhile.

>almost 2 years later
>says he misses me
>only other thing he tells me is his art improved only when he was around me and he misses improving
>also find out from snooping around that he lost his following and his popular friends because he was an asshole and used people
>only wants to become friends with me again because he wants to improve and because he no longer has a following/popular friends
>tell him to fuck off and never message me again

>now im too afraid to make any friends, especially art friends

[spoiler]i tried to kill myself over this because it hurt me so fucking much. he meant so much to me and he just threw me away for nothing.[/spoiler]

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>>7273486
Being formal to an artist?
Don't make me laugh

An artist is one day from going on crack.
Renegade leftists, proud degenerates

Their "collaboration" is rarely subordinate

So what should we do, when chasing our dream?

Pick up the pen, make arties scream.

Just like Thanos in that Marvel "top shelf"
You must ghost the artfag, and do it yourself.

>>7269743
I scored with a girl my tubby mate fell for a girl in our class and he felt "betrayed" for some reason, being delusional about her being "his".
He stopped being my "friend" after that.

>>7273837
I love you

>>7269743
(1/2)
in high school was an autistic loser who had trouble connecting with people, especially other artists.
i couldn't draw, i really wanted an art friend that i could talk shop with, share critiques, share interests and learn from

i got one in senior year, he was good and we shared many other interests as well.
When i critiqued his art i always tried to say more than "it looked good" like most normies would, and he really appreciated that. I'd share stuff and take interest in his work. but he would never return the favor. just give a basic responses without much thought and i hated that. it felt like i was being snubbed. He was a much better artist than me so it also felt like he was treating me like an idiot who could never learn how to draw well and didn't really take art seriously like hm.

We stayed friends for a few years but when it came to art there was always something off. Call it crazy, but i always held onto this imbalance but i never brought it up because it seemed petty to do so.

this insecurity built and as we got older we also started to drift apart in other areas. Guy got a girlfriend or job or something so we couldn't even talk about other stuff either.

>>7274235
(2/2)
Eventually i saw the light and started actually learning how to draw well, something just sorta clicked and i was making gains after discovering resources that were blind to me before. I guess I was finally taking art seriously. i hated myself for not seeing that light sooner. so many wasted years. I mean I was having mental breakdowns over this shit lol.

After a few months not really interacting with the guy at all I decided to just say fuck it and message him over this imbalance i felt for years.

You can guess he didn't take it very well but its not like we were really friends anymore anyways.
I wasn't trying to come at him aggressively and tried to play it off more pragmatically, like a "hey dude this is how i've been feeling" not a "fuck you dude" kind of deal.
but he still didn't appreciate me coming at him like that. I understood this was mostly all about me being a jealous loser but hey its how i felt.

how does one get an art friend in the first place

>>7274433
You draw one

>>7274433
even the most outspoken artists are pretty reserved people
to form friendships with them you just need to stick around them long enough until they open up

>>7274433
Groom them on discord

>>7273089
incredibly based

>>7273502
hope things get better for you anon he got what he deserved

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>>7273089
>>7272185
>>7271010
Kudos. I'd just stew in my own resentment in your shoes, maybe I should channel that resentment into a skill.

>>7275102
Resentment and seething is valid motivation sweetie. Same with wanting to be a bigshot as hokey as that might seem

>>7269743
In all my years drawing online I haven't really experienced anything bad until I started getting to interact with art "friends" on discord

>>7269779
I always wondered if people like you are actually autistic hence why you subject yourself to dealing with assholes for way too fucking long. You'll just sit there and get treated like absolute dog shit and then cry later about being 'abused' despite the fact that you were being horribly disrespected the entire fucking time.

I knew someone who hung out with 2 assholes and one of them was constantly making fun of the person I knew. They thought that being with these two people would help their careers, but, in reality, someone who doesn't respect you isn't going to help you with your career, nor were they ever your friend in the first fucking place. Also, you should try being friends with people because you like them and you both respect each other first and foremost. Imo, all three of them had issues, but the other two were worse so I make sure to thread lightly when I'm with them.

OR, the other issue is that YOU have trouble reading people and then you end up misinterpreting everything like that gay furry Twitter artist that drew that comic about their 'abusive' coworker. Apparently, telling someone to stand up for themselves and taking them to meet some bigwig in their industry was considered 'abusive.'

You could , literally, feel the autism and lack of self-awareness screaming off of that fucking comic.

>>7277708

I think they were just jealous of me. They only got close to me because they wanted to be some weird "sidekick in crime" even though they were the alleged "victim" in some petty drama that, again, they could have simply said "I'm a dude".

If I step and think if I (me) never mention their name, do they go away? You'd think that would be the case, right? You'd be wrong, though. Because someone here at random keeps name dropping them as if they're somehow still relevant. They're not even active on their old handles, but someone here keeps doing that. They're not here anymore because they can't troll me anymore--that's the only reason. It's nothing deeper than that.

>>7277767
>I think they were just jealous of me.
Jealous of what?
>They only got close to me because they wanted to be some weird "sidekick in crime"
No. I was simply sympathizing with you. I thought there had to be a reason you lashed out autistically and scribbled piss over other people's drawings.
>even though they were the alleged "victim" in some petty drama that
What's with the alleged part? You targeted me, and I did feel offended, but I chose to forgive you anyway. Although I wasn't going to beg banana to unban you because you targeted others too, don't forget that. And it's fucking /dad/ anyway, so who cares.
>they could have simply said "I'm a dude".
What does that have to do with anything??? Would you have gotten unbanned if I said so? I simply chose not to correct people since it has no relevance to anything.
>They're not here anymore because they can't troll me anymore--that's the only reason
Hmmm, no. If anything it's the opposite. If I knew for a fact that you weren't here, I'm sure I would be actively posting my artwork here on /ic/, maybe.

Anyway, I only decide to reply because
>>7269779
>6. Derailing my art journey by giving me false advice all while not really helping me
No, I never have done this. These are straight up lies. Unless I told you to go read loomis or something, all my advice was genuine.

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Counter-sage

>>7278860
lonely behavior

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>>7278862
Wanna be friends?

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>>7278814
>No, I never have done this. These are straight up lies. Unless I told you to go read loomis or something, all my advice was genuine.

At the time when I was going through Brent Eviston's class you specifically told me drawing still lifes and pretty much loomis stuff was a waste of time for people who want to draw anime. This was back in 2019 when people were making fun of my bottles but not telling me why (it was an issue with ellipses...and a whole slew of other things I only found out later). So I dropped what I was doing but was pretty aimless after that.

In hindsight yes, it sounds like good advice, but not really. I should have just kept going through the entire program as I planned before moving on because everything focused on anime just goes back to basics anyway. I'll fumble trying to draw a teacup on a plate if I'm drawing a maid girl carrying one because I didn't know how to draw a freaking cup in the first place. But more importantly, I don't think I would have dropped drawing for so long because I had something to prove to dadshitters.

>Jealous of what?
I think you opened up more to others because of me. You started streaming and doing things that I used to do or wanted, like starting a discord server cabal. 1-upping me. You can say "that totally dosen't have anything to do with you..." but I don't think you would have bothered otherwise. When I first interacted with you, you seemed rather reserved. I mean...you're doing it right now

>Anyway, I only decide to reply because

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No but I betrayed a really dear art friend, does that count?

>>7278814
>What's with the alleged part? You targeted me, and I did feel offended, but I chose to forgive you anyway. Although I wasn't going to beg banana to unban you because you targeted others too, don't forget that. And it's fucking /dad/ anyway, so who cares.

You were victim according to others mainly because people thought you were a girl. There was another person involved (forget their name but they liked penguins). It's been so long that I forget the reason why I did what I did but I'm certain I chose you to fawn over because your art reminded me of...someone. MMR something...who I copied a bit.

I really can't remember though. It's a jumbled mess.

>>7277767
>>7278814
>>7278886
What the hell is going on? LARPing?

>>7278902

I sure wish I could split my brain into 2 and remember factoids as if I'm 2 different people.

>>7273486
this is why I never really tried making any friends at college everyone has this weird air about them as if their constantly looking for an opportunity to prop themself up while using you, it felt kinda fake

>>7278886
It has been long since then but I stand by what I said. I've always thought that you only should practice what you NEED to draw. Studying "basics" because you don't know what else to do or doing it for the sake of it won't lead you anywhere. And that advice made you stop drawing for some reason? or am I misunderstanding?

>but I don't think you would have bothered otherwise
Are you serious? I wouldn't have bothered streaming or making a server if it weren't for you? Man, that's such self-centered thing to say... In hindsight, encouragement from certain people unrelated to all this helped me open up more.

>>7278901
>You were victim according to others mainly because people thought you were a girl
I don't really remember what it was all about either, but I don't think people thinking I'm a girl had much to do with it, and if it did, that's really fucking stupid and a redflag lol.
>MMR
You mean @_mmrgl. I used to look up to him too.

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>>7278894
I will just drop my story since this is such a good thread to express grief and loss

>Be me a lonely mentally ill person
>Browsing twitter as always since I love seeing other's people art
>Used to have big dreams of becoming an artist like them but couldn't cuz of autism and other excuses
>one day a newbie artist started posting his doodles
>at first he sucked but slowly kinda grown on me
>eventually started admiring his work
>one day I found him in a furry discord
>always giving him good compliments whenever he post his art
>eventually he sent me friend request
>accept it
>we have a good connection
>thought we were brothers in our past lives
>we could express our forbidden opinions in private without anyone judging us
>eventually I grown jealous and more mentally ill since he reminds me of my dreams of becoming an artist
>I block him and ghost him
>months later I decided to send an apology
>he accepted and gave me a second chance
>I grown more mentally ill and envious of his work since he was getting better
>we got into an argument
>I told him to kill himself
>block him again
>I decided to start anew since I was getting a bad reputation in the furry community
>I decided to compliment him in secret without telling him I used to be that "friend"
>one day he found out I was that friend
>gave me another third chance
>was happy and all
>until one day he blocked me
>for no reason
>Found out he is a nigger
>was beyond furious by being blocked by a nigger
>harassed him half a year
>sending him racist nigger meme jokes
>gore, politically incorrect about nigger facts etc etc
>telling other people he is a fraud and a hack and racists
>eventually he stopped posting art both in discord and twitter
>haven't heard of the stupid ass nigger for a while
>he eventually came back
>still wishing him to kill himself
>feels proud knowing I will be one of the few people who has impact his life in the most horrible way
The nigger stills post his art tho

>>7278910

Right then. Because I am a Christian on a Christian website I must take this opportunity to not harbor any sin in my heart and apologize for whatever happened back then as muddied as it is and may this be the last time I bring up that era of issues on this board moving forward. That said, I still think about you for one reason or another (I don't know why) so any undefined feelings of the future towards you are simply separate from what happened.

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>>7278916
I can't believe I'm sympathizing with a literal furrynigger... You're an actual subhuman, and you revel in it too.

this happened around seven years ago
>be me, 14 years old
>make a new artist friend on facebook, he's 19 already but that's alright
>he's very good at drawing, the only issue is that he keeps asking me for art trades and giving me free drawings as gifts even though i never ever asked for them, making me vaguely uncomfortable
>high school exams are around the corner so i have to stop talking to my online friends for a while and focus on studying, letting everyone know beforehand
>a week later i wake up to a massive text from this guy calling me a piece of shit and accusing me of using him for his art
>try to reply but he blocked me almost everywhere
>our mutual friends slowly stop talking to me
are all people with bpd massive attention whores?

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>>7278955
I have dounts.

>>7278965

I'm your friend, aren't I?

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>>7278886
Nooo, building a visual library is good, but these life exercises should be done quickly for the sake of your own sanity. If your experience was slow and excruciating, then you were indeed wasting time by not practicing Keys to Drawing first.
>because I didn't know how to draw a freaking cup in the first place
There is more truth to this than you realize. Despite all the construction and imagination and freehanding memes here, even the most talented among us, like kjg, cannot draw what they haven't seen and copied before. This is the true meaning of a 'visual library' - we aren't exhaustively cataloguing every little thing under the sun to know how to draw them, but rather forming platonic ideas of shared shapes, forms and experiences to draw entirely new things with.
>>7278910
Linear progression towards a narrow goal is excellent for explosive growth but you'll end up missing the flowers and the trees. I believe every little thing and experience, even outside of drawing, can sublimate into something greater than the sum of their parts to one day surpass your limits.
>>7278996
Yes, of course.

>>7279008
>but these life exercises should be done quickly for the sake of your own sanity

It was either late 2019 or somewhere in 2020 I took a drawing 101 class at my state college where I got hands on experience drawing still lifes quickly using I think it was some kind of charcoal that breaks into powder easily. There's a real difference actually going to a life drawing class than doing it in your bedroom. But..
>This is the true meaning of a 'visual library' - we aren't exhaustively cataloguing every little thing under the sun to know how to draw them, but rather forming platonic ideas of shared shapes, forms and experiences to draw entirely new things with.

It's not the visual library part I'm talking about but at the time I didn't really know how to draw boxes or cylinders or ellipses. Cups/mugs for example have bendy handles on it made of cylinders and wedged boxes. You can't just copy that; what if I want to turn that around in perspective?

Like I thought I knew how to draw but I didn't actually truly know and that frustrated me. Too much conflicting trash on the internet.

>>7270917
that was a bot, really no one would like your work

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>>7279015
Honestly, I can't draw ellipses either, but it's not a big issue unless you're drawing gun barrels or whatever. Primitive shape mastery is a meme, we had people here laughing at kjg's crooked ceiling fixtures lmfao.

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>>7278910
Also ***-kun, why do you hate me???

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>>7279038
I was just autistic about wanting to know almost everything about construction drawing. That and also how an animator would draw like fast sketching.

>>7279046
woops that's for >>7279030 post

>>7279038
I don't feel any particular way towards you.

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>>7279060
Guh- You just had to embarrass me in front of the whole class. I see how it is.

>>7279060
Uhm uhh what about me? I’m just curious is all.

>>7279100
We're like water and oil. It just isn't going to work.

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>>7279130
Ooh opposing elements. I like that, I like that.

So, according to google, oil floats on top of water. Who is the oil?

>>7273502
You sound female, I'll be your friend

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I wrote a whole greentext but it honestly wasn't very interesting
Long story short my best friend and I wrote a few strong opening episodes for a web series that i was going to animate after learning how to do so. My best ended up ghosting me and when I asked what happened he accused me of saying shit I never said.
It really stung when Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus took off because it felt like it could've been me.
I'm still gonna make it without him but I've had to put art on the backburner for a while, too much real life shit going on.

>>7279073
dw you still have me and everyone else here

I want an apology

Whats even thr point of this thread for people to anonymously shit flig or same fag argue for (you)s? What a useless thread.

>>7279241
OP is asking if you were in the top 10 Anime betrayals.

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>>7279229
So true bestie

Eh, not betrayal, just didn't work out. They ghosted me, the usual affair. Friendship and collaboration rarely mixes. Coming up with the cope that I can /diy/ a project through sheer force of will.

>>7275789
These are all fleeting things that eventually leave you burned out and unmotivated

>>7280570
>Friendship and collaboration rarely mixes
Friendship is pointless without collaboration

>>7278916
Thank god I'm not mentally ill, being you sounds like an absolute miserable existence.

>>7269779
You're a little pathetic fuck. I'm glad he did what he did. I'd do the same. Whine more, permabeg.

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>>7280720

>You're a little pathetic fuck. I'm glad he did what he did. I'd do the same. Whine more, permabeg.

I have one "art friend" but things have been fine so far. We've met at an Anon meetup at a cartoon convention and arranged to share a car at another convention where we were roomies, and despite not having a lot in common beyond drawing wildly different fanart of the same cartoon, we are supportive towards each other and give each other advice when life has been unkind again. We're both progressing in different ways (not just related to art) and feel pride rather than threat; now we've started a Dynamic Sketching course together to keep each other motivated; both of us are going to get slightly different things out of this course because we have individual strengths, weaknesses and leanings. Friendship is magic.