Thread for sharing tips and asking questions about inking. My Question: How to ink a perfect circle.?
>>7277595My Answer: You don't.!
>>7277595with a compass
>>7277595You don't unless you have a compass. For smaller circles it's possible to make them almost perfect. After doing the dynamic sketching by peter han course, start off with a pencil and then carefully ink the line with a bic cristal pen.
>>7277595get templates
>>7277595Templets. But make sure they are raised/beveled a bit so the ink doesn't smudge, same with a beveled ruler.
I've been doing a lot of ink work the last year and really like it but I haven't stretch out past micron/fineliners and brush pens because traditional pens intimidate me. What's a good place to start if I want to try real pens?
>>7278945With real pens you mean dip pens, hopefully?
I heard you need to keep your paper completely level horizontal when using ink pens like this, how true is that? I'm very used to having my tiltable drawing table at a fairly substantial angle.
>>7279001No, penisgottemBut yeah dip pens, don't know why I said real pens like fineliners are fake
>>7278945There's a deleter set that's like 10 bux and comes with a holder, 3 nibs, and a couple postcard-sized sheets of paper. You can also try some of the speedball sets and there's a few english-made ones also available (I don't remember the name) that come in a plastic snap case.I don't want to burn money on another nib holder to test this but I heard that all 3 of these are their own standards for which nibs fit in which: Speedball, generic western, and japanese. If another anon can confirm/deny this it would be nice to know.
>>7279084Sick, I found it on Amazon, I'll snag it. Any recommendations for ink? I've got some Speedball black I used for airbrushing and weathering so I'll just use that. Thanks anon
>>7278945https://www.fabercastell.com/products/grip-2010-fountain-pen-coconut-milk
>>7279111Ink type depends on what you want to be using it for and is mostly personal. Some are more-brown, some are more-blue. Some are translucent, some feather out, some are "raised." How they respond to water and alcohol can differ. There's also acrylic inks which are fully permanent but can wreck your nibs if you aren't careful.I am just a deleter No. 4 fag because the cat logo makes me happy and it works with copics.
>>7278945>>7279067>What's a good place to start if I want to try real pens?Just go to an art supplies store, try out some nib holders you like and then buy some nibs. Learn what you like to use and get comfortable. Dip pen might seem a bit of a daring medium but it's actually not that hard to learn.
>>7278945If you like the technical consistent width lines from micron but are looking for less disposable pens, also look into stylo/rapidograph pens. Koh-i-noor offers decent basic sets, but you can find cheap sets from Rotring, Faber Castell, and Staedtler as well. They require a bit more maintenance than fountain pens and are finicky in that they don't write at extreme angles and are to repair/clean if the feed is clogged with dry ink. The tips are metal tubes holding a wire, dispensing ink of a certain width. Similar to fountain pens you can load different inks, and they are compatible with most fountain pen inks. They were popular for cartooning and architectural drawing before CAD.
>>7279316>less disposable. Microns can be refilled as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIw6Wu2_vGs
>>7277595Ballpoint>>7277595Without tools it's very hard, but to get close perfect do it very slowly and physically look closely and maybe bounded by a perfect shape like a square or cross, requires practice as its a fine movementBut if you want an exact perfect one right now it’s much better to just use a tool>>7279002I used them sideways for a bit and it seems the ink will only move out if the pen tip is at a certain angle, possible but it's annoying but probably doable with enough practice
whats a good refillable technical pen to get? i recently found some old pilot hi-tec C maica pens i had from ten years ago the feeling of them is incredible but i dont want to keep buying disposable pens
>>7279361I previously mentioned Koh-i-noor, Rotring, Faber Castell & Staedtler make the rapidograph type technical fountain pens. I have 42 of these pens.. My favorites are the FC sets. Koh-i-Noor is very standard and the easiest to find replacement tips if you break one or upgrade the tip. Rotring is good but some of their pens may have a cartridge refill (which would have to be replaced or refilled with a syringe opposed to a dropper). I see Staedtler MarsMatics recommended a lot- they have a softer/smoother cut wire so they glide a bit smoother on paper. I’ve used each one, since you like the hi-tecs you might enjoy a finer (<.5 mm/size 1) rapidograph. Once you have a favorite brand & ink you can upgrade to a vintage stylograph in your ideal size, or a full set with jewel tips so that they don’t wear out. You can find relatively cheap sets online.>>7279316Yes, but the tip is felt.
>>7279349>the pen tip is at a certain angleI was thinking more about if the lines starts dripping ink down the page if your working plane is at an angle like pic related
>>7279646That doesn't happen. At a microscopic level the ink "grabs" onto the paper, which acts like a weak sponge, and starts immediately drying into the fibers. It also has surface tension, and the lines aren't so thicc that the weight of the liquid overcomes that. You'd have to basically be drawing using a squeeze bottle or a really juicy brush for ink to run like that.
>>7279731good to know, thanks
>>7279337Unless you're drawing on extremely smooth paper, your Micron's (really any felt tip) nib will die before the ink goes.
>>7280624Yeah, I meant my reply on that at the end of >>7279636 for them. The micron felt tips and body aren't ma de for long term use.
>>7279636holy based thank you for the responseill try a few of those out then and see what feels best for me
So how do I fix shaky hands? I don't have problem with digital thanks to stabilizer.
>>7283426fill up a page entirely of lines going vertically, then layer on top of that horizontal lines across the whole page, then / \ both diagonals on top of that on the same pagedo this for 50 pages total
>>7278945>real pen
>>7283474cool
>>7283474That's not a pen. That's a quill. It's even in your filename??
>>7283474been there
>>7283474that's not a real pen
>>7286063Hello fellow quill user.>>7286062>>7286092Pen can be traced back to the Latin word penna or pinna, meaning "feather."
>>7289031>fag can be traced to the greek phakelos meaning bundleexcept it doesn't mean bundle, does it, nerd?
>>7289051>faggot pretending he don't know about the origin of the word "faggot".I pity you for not understand the greatness of quill pen - the main writing tool of Western civilization for thousands of years - dead in boomer generation.There are like hundreds of ways to cut a quill pen to create multiple style of drawing and calligraphy. It's a rabbit hole of traditional inking.
>>7289086I literally told you the origin of the word, you illiterate brown monkey, are you fucking retarded?
What's the best bright pure red waterproof dip pen ink?
>>7292509Probably something vermilion-based? Le traditional Chinese red (well, orangeish). Otherwise, look for an "indian" ink containing actual cadmium.There seems to be vermilion ink sticks and Kuretake has some "vermilion" ink as well. I doubt it's genuine vermilion though.
if I want a colored pencil for the underdrawing for a dip pen and indian ink, am I better off with a color pencil or a watercolor pencil or what?
>>7294929waxier colored pencil will repel ink, watercolor pencils could work. if it's an underdrawing you'll want to erase later test if the ink will smear or fade. if it's for the purpose of color id just do normal watercoloring after waterproof inking
>>7294929why not graphite?
>>7296088colored graphite looks like ass
>>7296104I meant graphite, not colored graphite
Inkursive on etsy makes a clear piston fountain pen that takes Maru nibs (mapping nibs). Anyone tried it?
>>7299275Cool
>vapid, pointless bumpfaggotryEither post something useful or let the thread die, you dumb nigger
>>7299275The body looks like an ackerman clone but with the aluminum pieces replaced with plastic. It being half the cost is interesting, but I'm not really sure if it's super worth.I will say that ackerman's demonstrator feels a bit weirder than their pump pen though, so you may not enjoy the piston one as much. Part of their non-demonstrators' claimed benefits is that it's made of a kind of nonstick plastic (delrin I think?) which makes it unable to perma-clog and become ruined. They also claim that you should match the feed you use to the ink viscosity you want, and use an overfeed for manga nibs because they are very thirsty. I find the pump button helps to mitigate the "thirsty" part but it does require some care and attention while inking.
>>7300915niggers gonna nigg
>>7301041Interesting. I've actually got a couple clear demo pens from Ackerman and I'm pretty sure one is all plastic, but it is possible I got an odd one. One of them has a click to lock the piston, and one doesn't, for example. Fwiw they are a bitch to work with. Takes a little bit to get ink to the nib and you need to have worked the feed and nib into it at a precise angle, it feels like each pen has a sweet spot. I haven't tried the pump pen but I do have their opaque sketch pen, with the sketch nib, and it's up there with one of my favorite inking or sketching pens. I will be sad when Ackerman stops stocking the sketch nib. I really wish Ackerman would come back in stock with the crowquill adapter, but it does look like the Inkursive Manga pen is about as close as you can get today. The Maru nib isn't the same as the same as a crowquill but eh, close enough for government work.
hi, i have a question: i am looking for fountain pens which have shape/style/ergonomics similar to lamy aion (pic related, silver and black one in middle)so basically smooth thicker body. cigar shape. so far i found>lamy 2000>pelikan pura>faber castel e motionWhy are these so rare? are the ergonomics bad in this style? i think it looks great and the lack of grip means you can use any grip you want. ideal for drawing, no? sadly each model of these has some drawback. do you know any else of these modern style like?
>>7301139ergos for drawing is really going to be user dependent, some may like a style and others may not. but to your question, that design makes me think of a Noodler's Ahab, and the anons above were talking about Ackerman which i googled and found this, which might fit your need. this is the Ackerman "sketch classic," and if not for being 30 dollars i'd give it a try. maybe. there's also Ranga if you want to import from India. that thick design immediately brings Ranga to mind.
>>7301139>>7301145i don't like wasting images but i don't want to trip a spam filter by linking a site either, but this is the Indian pen. pretty thick, decent cigar shaped tool. check for Ranga pens, they have a ton like this.
>>7301139>sadly each model of these has some drawback.Naming what your subjective drawbacks are might help someone recommend an alternative.The Lamy 2000 in all metal body has an immense reputation, but I've never used it.Lamy is solid, but overpriced.
>>7301139>smooth thicker body. cigar shapeThat's a typical montblanc.
>>7301139It have something to do with ink dry. You usually see that design with a hooded nib.Fountain pen collector also prefer screw caps so luxury pens focus more on that.
>>7301633i guess i should have been more elaborate. If jinhao 80 was in metal i would probably consider it close to ideal:sleek body, diameter on the thicker end, there are no threads or jump on the body section, it uses normal nib you can easily replace and it has no nonsense filling mechanism which simply cannot fail: cartridges' or converter.i wouldnt even mind the price tag of lamy 2000, if it wasnt equipped with that typical overengineered nib where to swap nib you need to buy all the inner mechanisms for whooping 150 euro. Not to mention they only offer gold nibs in two sizes, instead of the jowo or bock nibs where you can choose from 20 styles and 10 materials for fraction of the price...>>7301145these are like 95% of the pen market: it has that 19th century design where they simply couldnt manufacture anything better at the time: so it has threads and jump exactly on spot where you hold it.Another thing which baffles me is why so little brands put anti-slippery features on their pens. especially on the metal models. like you find gorgeous pen from steel or aluminum and the grip section is thin and polished like a mirror: it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these. I guess my ideal pen is crossbreed of muji fountain pen (it has the anti slippery bumps on the body) and lamy aion for general thicker shape. And the market is instead filled with the copy pasted 19th century design. Meanwhile children get thick triangular pens which clearly undergo evolution so they have maxxed out ergonomics. Why the serious pens for adults lag so hard behind?
>>7302043>Why the serious pens for adults lag so hard behind?Why abandon the perfection? When you try to find a fountain pen that can last for a life time, it's always come back to the 90s designs. I only found an improvement in Jinaho 9019, 9016 and 9013. Lamy maybe be good for students because of the grip nut they tend to break their cap in 1 or 2 years
>>7301139i guess for a thick straightcap without threading & subtle taper, waterman 12, muji aluminum, cross bailey, maybe parker 51, you might also enjoy the lamy accent even though it has a little nib 'cuff.' not sure how you feel about the retractable types but maybe check out the pilot vanishing point if you like. the pentel kerry mechanical pencil would be a cool accompaniment
>>7302043>it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these.Correct, for many people they're just used for signatures or as luxury items. Nobody is drawing or writing extensively with those.The threading you complained about does serve as additional grip.>Meanwhile children get thick triangular pens which clearly undergo evolution so they have maxxed out ergonomicsBarrel diameter is down to individual preference.For me personally, thick writing tools are not really great IMO. I have less finger dexterity with them. My go-to for sketching is a thin plastic mechanical pencil. The ackerman shown above has a nicely thinned out section between the thread and the nib which is comfortable. I also have a platinum preppy for signing things and just pop-and-go writing, but its ink is not waterproof and the barrel is too thick to write with comfortably for a long time. I rarely use my wrist at all but I do a lot of small (letter/A4 and smaller) work, so that's probably related to why I err towards thinner.
>>7302043Meanwhile I hate triangular grips and love the platinum preppy 02 with the platinum water resistant ink. Perfect match.
>>7303104Based, I use 02 with Noodler's Black. It's perfect.Do you use Platinum regular black or Carbon black? Both are water resistant, but Carbon is water proof.
>>7302043>it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these>he doesn't knowfountain pens are a gay nerd collector's item, they don't use them, they just autistically compare them and fantasize about the perfect patina gold nib
>>7303572Meanwhile drafstmen grab their trusty worn-out, covered with dried ink 102 for miles, filing it to keep it sharp, until one day it's gaping like an old unvirtuous lady, and can finally be put to rest.The End.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXI3cuPAm0
>>7303572>>7303934Draftsment used to use fountain pens as well. I believe it was primarily for the architect font.Also, the "they don't use them" guy, you're confusing consoomer collectors to actual users. So it's wrong to generalize everyone as such.Two good examples above:>>7303104>>7303557Preppy is a 5$ fountain pen that destroys so many fancy ones with inconsistent nibs.
>>7303961the absolute vast majority of people buying fountain pens don't use them for anything more than signing things every once in a while, don't delude yourselfeven in the early 2000s the most common usage of fountain pens were school kids and university students, and nobody writes in school anymore
>>7303962You're probably right about a lot of people. But as I type this I'm sitting at my desk with my cheap Preppy and taking notes on a documentary I'm watching.I don't know about the absolute vast majority, but it does the job for me.It's possibly (besides my other fave Pilot G-TEC C4) the best all around pen for notetaking, sketching, peranent ink, and a very fine line.I've been using mine as an EDC for several years now. I have it eyedropper converted with cheap Noodlers Black, so all mmy notes and sketches are permanent. I basically never have to reload the ink (maybe once or twice a year).Pic is not mine but exactly the same, found it on the net. The color is not black, it's literally filled with ink.
>>7303962>>7303972forgot pic related:
>>7303961>Draftsment used to use fountain pens as well. I believe it was primarily for the architect font.Yeah I'm sure some people must have had use for them, but since they're less versatile and hardly tolerate pigmented inks, their use must have been confined.>>7303962>the absolute vast majority of people buying fountain pens don't use them for anything more than signing things every once in a while, don't delude yourselfPretty sure it's true with art supply in general...>>7303972>so all mmy notes and sketches are permanentHm? Given the pen, the inks must not be pigmented. So while the ink might be waterproof, it shouldn't be permanent. Though, permanent enough for notes in book closed most of the time
>>7304212>Pretty sure it's true with art supply in generalI don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint. The closest thing I can think of are the retards memed into buying sable brushes to paint wargame minis with acrylics.Most people try to get away with the cheapest shit for art supplies because it's not a single item you can splurge on in a moment of weakness, but lots of individual items that can be pretty expensive even individually. One of the biggest issues in watercolor is getting people to buy actual cotton paper because literally everyone avoids it like the plague and goes for the cheaper cellulose instead, then gets frustrated because it's just awful to paint on and doesn't allow you to do half the techniques.
>>7304212>>7304253Also, just to be clear, this isn't really commentary on the pens themselves, I'm just pointing out that the target demographic isn't actually concerned with the pen's characteristics beyond looks and maybe paper specs, so neither are the manufacturers generally.
>>7304253>I don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint.Oh, many people will collect assortments of fancy pencils while being completely unable to use them at all. I've been there actually. But it works for paint, brushes, PDFs, videos tutorials: hoarding spirit.
>>7304253>I don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint.There are a lot of "art supplies" which are just normal stationary with an upmarket aesthetic, aimed at people who don't actually use them often. Super fancy moleskine notebooks for example, they had a fineliner pack that was sold with them. You usually see these not in art stores but in stationary stores.There's also the stupid rich LARPer end of things - Gucchi and Louis Vuitton released the exact same shitty colored pencil set in exactly the same roll with just a different pattern on it and different hardware, from the same manufacturer. Worse than normal prismacolors while being over 7x as expensive.
>>7304212>Hm? Given the pen, the inks must not be pigmented. So while the ink might be waterproof, it shouldn't be permanent. Though, permanent enough for notes in book closed most of the timeNoodler's is a unique case, as it's dye based. It's waterproof (actually water resistant for Bulletproof Black, since in anything higher than an ultra extra fine nib water can reactivate it unless I guess you wait a very long time) and permanent.>>7304268>I'm just pointing out that the target demographic isn't actually concerned with the pen's characteristics beyond looks and maybe paper specAgain, I don't know about the target demographic, but every industry has these people. Pencils, cars, etc.. so I feel it's not fair to the rest of the demographic who use their tools, to be bundled in that category.>pic related, one of the people you mentioned.
>>7304613I think what he meant was that the market for fountain pens has fallen apart due to the 1-2 punch of ballpoint becoming dominant and then digital. It's actually quite hard for me to find fountain pens IRL, I had to get my preppy from a japanese import shop.
>>7304615I see.I think that just having refillable ink makes fountain pens forever obsolete proof vis ballpoints. Maybe digital will destroy them all, just as we no longer have typewriter manufacturers today.
>>7302432thanks for the mentioning the lamy accent. that is a model you dont normally see in the online shops so it flew under the radar for me. It has an interesting design where you can swap out the grips and it has that sleek modern design AND it has screw cap so it has potential to be pen for life. But lmao at that price tag. They cannot be serious with that. It costs more than lamy 2000!I have this romantic idea of buying a pen and drawing with it for the rest of my life. I think i will buy a few of my current candidates and see for myself which feels the best in the hand + on the paper.>Kaweco Special Brasshas that octagonal shape like pencils so it wont roll on table, which really annoys me with my current noname pens. exotic material and kaweco really makes WRITING things, the nib and feed is screw in so you dont damage it during cleaning or replacing>Monterverde RitmaBasic cylinder pen, but with magnetic cap and is very thick so hopefully it will be comfortable to hold. Again takes standards nibs and international cartridge's like kaweco so you know its made for writing and easy service or spare parts>Lamy AionAnd lastly i am looking at that cigar shape, because in practice you cannot know for sure if your ideal grip is 12 or 11 or 11.7mm, so in theory with tapered shape your hand will find its own ideal diameter. But lamy uses its own nibs and its own cartridge's, so i asked if there isnt similar pen from diff brand. Like for example Cross ATX Matte Chrome also has that shape, but its grip is polished chrome so grip will be ass. And on top of it it has section bump yet the cap is not threaded so it will get loose over time. And it is thin. I already have thin pencils and ballpoint pens and old chinese pens (parker 51 knockoffs) after my ancestors at home. Fuck thin pens.Maybe this is foolish idea and the meta is to buy faber castel grip or the platinum preppy or twisbi eco and when it falls apart like all cheap plastic does buy the new one.
>>7304813Brass feels icky after a while and makes your hands stink. It gets disgusting with tarnish over years too. Most brass has some amount of lead in it as well, dunno if I'd want to write with that.
>>7303557I'm using the carbon ink because I'm sketching in site with the fountain pen and adding watercolor after, and that's the ink I saw recomended online, also for some reason the noodler's inks are very expensive to import into my euro country.I was using a 300€ montblanc (I inherited it) with ef nib before buying a couple of preppys and the only difference is that the montblanc slides slightly easier over the paper, but they are new so it'll probably change.
>>7304816that is a protentional problem, yes. still i am curious if heavier pen wont feel better than the lightweights. plus the patina should make the grip extra anti slippery. If i will end up liking the general shape, there are quite a few hexagonal pens on the market, or i can even order the same pen from caweko, but in aluminium. Or the painted version where brass is not in direct contact with skin.>>7305220try to get your hands on metal polishing creams or micro meshes (sand paper on steroids) intended for finishing metal machinery pieces (like 3D printer or CNC) and then very gently "Write" on it with your preppy nibs. With a bit of luck your preppy will start to feel just as smooth as the montblanc.This is another part i like about fountain pens: you can fine tune them to your liking. You can even tune the ink flow where you use thin sharp knife to deepen the ink channel in the plastic feed.
>>7305220>montblanc slides slightly easier over the paper, but they are new so it'll probably change.Use them regularly and they'll get smoother.Preppys and kakunos are they best fountain pens for drawing/sketching below 200£$€, above that you have the first flexible nibs (pilot falcon pe) but drawing in site they're not practical because the nibs are too sensitive, and at home you're better with dip pens.
>>7305220 (me)>>7305360I just discovered that some Japanese nibs are thinner than euro nibs. The montblanc is an "f" in the platinum scale, so I guess it's normal for them to scratch the paper a bit more? Also, the MB is from the late 90's, so it was used a lot.>>7305650>at home, you're better with dip pens.I'll buy a dip pen with the entire parafernalia at some point. I'm (slowly) doing the NMA "drawing foundations" plan, and the last signature is an entire course about inking by Miles Yoshida, and desu, watching him draw with the dip pen is hypnotic... but I'm not at a level where I could do the course properly; I still mess up measuring angles and proportions from time to time.
>>7306229>so I guess it's normal for them to scratch the paper a bit more?by "them" I mean the preppys.
>>7306229>I still mess up measuring angles and proportions from time to timeeveryone does
Bimp
>>7306487I hear that Michelangelo stuck a compass in his eyes to gain über measuring powerA image being worth a thousand words...
>>7308387that's just him being unaccustomed to seeing g*rmanic deformities
>>7308399>g*rmanic deformities> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/german-band-rammstein-accused
>>7306230Even from the same brand no two fountain pens are usually identical, however.Preppy 02 scratches.Preppy 03 is smoothPreppy 05 is very smooth.Relative to a Euro nib, they are IMO just as smooth if not smoother when you get to that delicious Platinum sweet spot (except 02).
What'as a good cheap as fuck pen to start with if you've never drawn with pen before?
>>7312534pentel color brush pen for dynamic line & fills, pilot pocket brush for line, micron for fineline, preppy/kakuno for fountain pen, pilot parallel for calligraphic chisel, tombow fudenosuke for flex marker, iro-utsushi dip pen and nib holders for autism>CAPTCHA: MUTNT8
>>7312534just use whatever you used in school to write. that is the easiest option. once you deplete your school supplies, feel free to upgrade into some nice fountain pens or rollerballs refillable with actual ink.
>>7312534Crow quill (hunt 102 is a popular option): cheap, versatile.
>>7313286You need a couple more 2mm leadholders in that tool box.
>>7277595I love inking art tools =)
>>7312534Your question is so vague as to have no real correct answer to it. If you still want a proper answer, please describe how you'll be using it.The best answer right now is whatever you find in a drawer.
What's a fountain pen/dip pen nib that has the same size as a 003 sakura micron?
>>7322657Koh I Noor (or Staedtler/FC/Rotring) 00/.3mm
Is the Pumpkin Head Nib a meme
>>7322675Let me give you a hint about what is a real meme.Until you try it for yourself and do not find it useful, nothing is a meme.So, no, it isn't a meme.
>>7322668Anon, those are technical pens. Also there are finer lined technical pens. The most consistent IMO is a .25. But it's much fatter than a 003 Micron in line thickness.>>7322657Anon, the closest is a Platinum Preppy in 0.2, which is known as UEF (Ultra Extra Fine). However only when reverse writing. When you write in reverse, meaning flip it over so plastic side is facing you, it produces a very satisfying and very thin line comparable to an 003 Micron.I think the closest in dip nibs is the mapping or Maru nib. However again, you have to reverse write, and it is not nearly as thin as the preppy reverse writing 0.2.If you want flex, go Maru, if you want a consistent line, the Preppy is hard to beat and one of my favorites.There are 1-2 other Jap makers that make UEF nibs, like Pilot and maybe Sailor, but I haven't used their pens and the preppy is both phenomenal quality nib-wise and dirt cheap. It's a must in every ink artists kit who want the thinnest reliable line.Also very highly recommended is a Pilot G-TEC in 0.25, almost as thin as a 003 Micron, but much more durable tip.
>>7323744My bad, the smallest Koh i Noor 6x0/.13 is the exact same width as the 003, mixed up the sizing code. There's a size between these in the full lineup, but below <.3 will obviously need very fluid fountain ink.Also, they are fountain pens, just specialized to achieve the exact width line. The original stylo patent registers it as an improved tubular-nib fountain pen. The page for technical pens on Wiki refers to them as fountain pens.>Patent US174,965 "Improvement in Fountain Pens"
>>7323774My personal experience with technical pens below .25 is very bad, but I guess it would be much better with fountain pen ink, ie non-pigmented.Also, my very reliable .25 Isographs produce a fatter line than .25, so despite being very very satisfying, it's too thick for my very thin-line stuff.However the Pilot G-TEC in .25 is thinner than it due to the gel not bleeding. I wouldn't use any gel pen for templates or rulers, begause they tend to build up gunk, for that I'd use an Isograph. However for small details the G-TEC is hard to beat.>Also, they are fountain pens, just specialized to achieve the exact width line. The original stylo patent registers it as an improved tubular-nib fountain pen. The page for technical pens on Wiki refers to them as fountain pens.Damn, that's pretty interesting. Do you know if any such pen is in production today?I think Platinum's nibs (and probably most Jap nibs overall) are perfect here though, since they have no discernible line variation, even under microscope.
>>7322657too many variables, main one will be how much pressure you naturally use to draw with. ballpoint muscle memory of carving into paper to make a line is a pretty strong one to overcome.ink will matter, the faster it comes off the pen the thicker a line.paper will matter, if it soaks the ink in, the thicker a line.imo, rather than drawing small, start drawing bigger and then reduce in post.
>>7323785Oh yes definitely, try the smaller sizes with fp ink! I'm a fan of the proprietary Rotring black ink bottle & ultradraw, very nice to use even with my vtg Faber Castell TG 000/.18mm set of 9. I got an ultrasonic cleaner so that I can use whatever passable ink without worrying about clogging. I'd really recommend one if you're getting inconsistent lines unless they're just worn out pens. The Rotring ink is super quickdry for architectural/technical drawing, but the caveat is smaller sizes will clog faster. At that size though, any flowy fp ink should dry quickly.And yeah! Think Rotring discontinued their lines unfortunately but a bunch are still made including the Koh-I-Noor (made by ChartPak now). I've enjoyed vintage sets more, but you can get new FC and Mars sets as well. Production for these pens is slowing to a halt since CAD for scaleable linework and easier maintained disposables like micron. I honestly haven't seen this nibtype on newly produced signature pens, but searches are clouded by vintage stylographs (much much cooler and fountain penny looking) and the Conklin Stylograph line which doesn't feature that nib. I've been saving for a unique old stylo like the red midget but splurged on a jewel tip FC TG set instead.
>>7323820>I got an ultrasonic cleaner so that I can use whatever passable ink without worrying about clogging.Anon, although I've no experience with ultrasonic cleaners, I heard that if left long they can damage plastic.If you want to avoid having to use it, here's a cool tip I use to thoroughly clean my Faber's (I probably have the same one as you). It's with womens eyeliner brushes, after they're washed well of eyeliner, they fit perfectly and scrub the Fabers clean. Ultrasonic will have to wait since it's kind of expensive, and have no need ATM.Yeah the vintage are always more solidly built.I'm jelly over the jewel tip (I use the steel tip), I heard there's also a ceramic tip, but jewel is probably top tier.Does the Jewel offer any noticable difference in feel from the steel tips? I heard they were longest lasting.The problem with fp ink is that I prefer archival and water resistance. What do you generally use.I once dicked around and tried Waterman Harmonious Green FP ink on my vintage Koh-i-Noor isograph. Not bad but the pen wants to be held upright which made it less fun to write with.Overall I have to say the resonance of the Rotring .25 is the best feel of all my pens. But on the other hand the Rotring feels like the cheapest, and also apparently they have cracking issues.
>>7323820>>7323993Kind reminder that... you only need one basic pen to make masterpieces. Consuming demon's sit on your shoulders.
>>7324574> demon sits onalright I'm sure your brain could have figured it out, but given the vast amount of retardation in here, I'm sure some nigger would have been like> stupid ESL nigger
>>7324574I like to try new tools, I see nothing wrong with having several tools and mastering their individual strengths. Even my 4-5 finest tipped tools do not have some attributes that the other ones have. Wether they are gel pens, dip, isograph, fineliner etc.. they are all different!Right tool for the right job.I somewhat agree with you more or less though.
The greatest fountain pen ever made is Lamy Safari hands down
>>7325278What other fountain pens have you tried, in comparison, to make such a bold statement?
>>7325295Just Lamy Safari.
>>7325295>>7325300Actually I had a fountain pen phase like most trad artist and naturally I watched ton of product reviews on YouTube and went through all of them, everytime something was off. I can now state with my whole chest that Lamy Safari is unique in how many good qualities that fucking pen has ESPECIALLY for that price. Draws like butter, sturdy, cheap 10/10
>>7325306We didnt ask how many pens you watched reviews of, how many have you used? Lol
>>7325317Reread what I wrote anon
>>7325300>>7325306>>7325317>>7325321Anons, as someone who has a Safari in front of him right now on his desk, and love it very much...It's a very good pen.However it's overpriced for what it offers, it's not the best drawing pen. But it is a tank.I prefer the Preppy for drawing fine lines, Preppy is smoother too.The Muji aluminum pen is one of the best drawing FP's.There are vintage flex pens that are insane.I'd even wait till I could afford a Lamy 2000 before saying the Safari is best. I've heard it's amazing, but too poor right now lol.Safari's nice for writing, but doesn't feel like a proper artists pen (to me at least).
>>7325306>how many good qualitiesCan you list them please?
>>7325335>The Muji aluminum pen is one of the best drawing FPFunny I tried that one, cuz I love their gel pens so I got myself one I think with an f nib? It scratched so badly on the paper which is the one thing that is deal breaker for me. Which size did you get?
>>7325336Very smooth drawing experience, perfect ink flow, super sturdy and cheap, very accessible that's all I ever wanted from a pen
>>7325338IIRC they are one-size only and come with a European made nib (forgot the name, but it has a large cursive "F" on it, and says "iridium point", just checked with magnifying glass). They are all F nibs.Mine has this immense combination of smoothness and feedback. Like writing on glass, but it's telegraphing every piece of pulp with a pleasant sound and feeling.The problem with fountain pens is that every nib is different, so I may have gotten a finely tuned one and others not so. Also the ink matters.Yours may need a tuning with a high powered magnifying glass or loup and tine-adjustment.
>>7325346How is the ink flow of your Muji pen? Because that was another thing that bothered me with my pen, sometimes the ink didn't properly come through, I thought it might have something to do with the tip because it's more on the finer side
>>7325349What kind of ink did you use?With the standard international cartridge it came with it was nice and slightly wet flow.I now use Pelikan Black, a dry ink, and it is now just perfect.Flow has always been sufficient for me.It could be a problem with your feed (clogged or manufacturer defect, both fixable), but it sounds like your nib needs alignment. There are several youtube vids with tutorials, just search "fountain pen adjust nib". Watch a few if possible to get experience, and try to make the smallest changes possible with frequent testing.I have never had a hard start with it since getting it.
>>7325295>>7325300>>7325317>>7325336Nigga why are you getting upset kek
>>7325368>upset?Those are different people, but none sounded upset anon.
>>7325339Is it an M nib?
>>7325349Here's what seems like a better DIY tutorial.
>>7325364I use Pelikan 4001, so it's probably the same ink. I might order a new pen because I like the design a lot especially that it has that gel pen look combined with that futuristic aluminum cover
>>7325374Yep it's the classic m size
>>7325372little retard...how would you know that all of them are "different" people?
>>7325383Yes, the grip knurling is the icing on the cake for what makes it the best artists pen IMO.The ink 4001 is the same I use, the reason I chose Brilliant Black, was because it's a friendly, well-behaved ink for long term use, and this is a pen for life.However, you *may* not be able to order the Muji pen anymore, as it's been discontinued as of over a year ago. Depending where you are and stock.You should be able to check which tine is misaligned (since you said it's scratching the paper) by doing diagonal and left-right strokes on paper.If your left stroke is sharp, it means the right tine is too low and digging in. And vice versa.If you can't find a new one and can't fix it, you can send it to a nibmeister.
>>7325388Because I am one of them.
>>7323993Yeah, I hand wash my nicer ones after use but ultrasonic cleaner for the rest (gentle/no alc). >eyeliner brushesThat's interesting. I usually disassemble them completely because some of them haven't been used in 50 years. I've had some duds where the previous user loaded India Ink and broke the wire trying to clean them out. Honestly though, the cheap shitty ultrasonic cleaners do a lot more than I can by hand since it at least breaks up the solids.I haven't tried the ceramics. The jewel tips are sick, FC uses ruby so they're red. One thing about them is really only the tip is jeweled, if someone were to clean it haphazardly the main wire can still break easily (my folly). The jewel is softer and makes a gliding sound like a fine rollerball. Beautiful on vellum. I can't say for certain on how they last, but I have metal ones of the same age that are busted. I wish more brands that made the JT did more of a body upgrade though, Mars is the only one with metal on the body. The cream color of the FC JT is great though.I generally do use the Rotring ink and water down if needed, but most enjoyed Iroshizuki colors & other Pilot lines, sure to clean after ofc. I used Ph Martin Ocean black for a bit got a bit paranoid with how hard it dried. I imagine you can use any non-shimmer fp ink if you're know to clean it, since the proprietary rapido whites are like a chunk syrup.I need to try more inks though. The main reason I love these pens is the customization and interchangeability of ink. If you're looking for a jewel tip there are lots of singles available online, or you can even get just the jewel tip cartridge for your favorite pen. KiN/FC jewels are easiest to find, but you can find the metal cuffed Marsmatics too.I have a cracked Rotring Variant, but it's made of bakelite lol. I think they're my oldest set and still usable, the tip glides very nice & has no scratch, but they're pretty worn. >>7324574Be as basic as you want
I keep returning to my trusty copic multiliner SP BS pen for things.G-pen feels a bit difficult to use.Fineliners too flat for anything organic.A true brush requires too much redipping for nice lines in anything larger than thumbnails, and is too slow to swap to for filling beta areas.Fountain pens are almost universally too thick and stress my hand out because I draw using my fingers and arm, never my wrist.Has anyone tried the posca brush pen? I have a bullet tip set and they require extremely light pressure control, basically having the nib ride on the fluid film of paint as a lubricant, to not scrape the paper and cause piling. I can't imagine the brush tips would be worse but I don't really fancy having to buy one to see.
>>7325538>Be as basic as you wantIt's not the point: hoarding material is a form of procrastination, keeping people away from actually doing art
>>7325686>Fountain pens are almost universally too thickHave you looked into the very thin types with hooded nibs? The classical china pen originally called hero is made to this day under various brands. They are typically as thin as a pencil.Jinhao 85Jinhao 86Jinhao 6059Jinhao 911Hongdian C1Hero 565Hero 612or the "original" parker 51Order them from your favorite chink shops like aliexpress, temu or alibaba for like 2$
>>7325803I don't give money to the CCP anymore but thanks for the attempt.
any tips (not pen tips, actual tips) for steadier hands? I start trembling like a sperg when inking.
>>7326001At first i wanted to use the common>everything is made in chinabut then i remembered we are on art board and art supplies are one of the rare exceptions: you can literally completely draw purely on non-Chinese supplies. From ink to paper.Check out the other slim pens i guess. But i am afraid these are not as thin as the classic china style>Kakimori Aluminum>Faber-Castell NEO Slim>Pelikan Ineo>Kaweco Liliputfirst is from nippon and last three are nazi>>7326004start doodling with ink. after enough doodles made in ink your brain should stop caring so much
>>7326004Use your pinky as a stabilizer/support. Loosen your grip & pressure and focus on where the line's going rather than the current spot. The thicker your pen the smoother the line will appear, and practicing the stroke with broad markers gives good muscle memory. The unsteadiness can lend itself to cool styles though if controlled like with Crumb. Using a brush tip for inking also helps with line control & stroke confidence. If you feel like your line's about to go off course or jerk, lift and relax hand
>>7326004Don't push too hard, also, try to draw on big paper, there's this exercise where you have to freehand a straight line from one end to the other of an A4 piece of paper, put it in a landscape mode so to speak.
>>7325538>proprietary rapido whitesHow opaque are these on a scale of 1-10, isograph anon?
>>7325686>copic multiliner SP BS pen for things.The brush has been discontinued, no?
>>7325744>hoarding material is a form of procrastination, keeping people away from actually doing artIt doesn't keep me from doing art, it just gives me variety in tools.Either end of the scale becomes ridiculous, but I love trying new tools, and having a good variety.There's one extreme of a consoomer buying the same things in different colors.Then there's another extreme of a mechanic trying to fix an entire car with a screwdriver.
>>7325803>>7326001Same as this guy.
>>7326004Use shooting techniques.Inhale steadily and deeply, exhale steadily stopping at 50%, that's when you're steadiest to "shoot" (or ink).Learn diaphram breathing.Good luck anon.
>>7325538>I usually disassemble them completely because some of them haven't been used in 50 years.Yes, same here, but on the FC, there's a hard-to-reach triangle of plastic spokes on the inside of the barrel. So that helped me get inside there as well, where a toothbrush wouldn't go.Thanks for all the insights anon. Good to talk to another isograph user as well. They really are underrated drawing tools that should never die out.
>>7325803More soulless bug knockoffs, down to the arrow on the clip.
>>73262009+ comparable to a whiteout-white. I've considered doing a white-on-black piece with it. What I love about the proprietary inks is that they are THICK drying, if using a .35+ it leaves a trail that doesn't seep into the paper. You can trace your fingers along your linework and feel it, and the black is an ideal outlining ink in >.3 and crosshatching ink in <.3. I strongly suspect Crumb, Shelton, Griffin, Rodriguez and other underground golden age cartoonists used the white ink as a corrective fluid. In a lot of Crumb's old discolored sketch pages, you can see the bright white corrections. Most articles and some exhibitions list it as Wite-Out due to the brightness and lasting, but working photos of him show white Rotring ink bottles. In his documentary I saw he used Koh-I-Noor pens. It's good stuff.>>7326221That's true, I remember now that's part of how I broke the FC wire thinking it was just clogged. They do have Koh-I-Noor cleaning fluid as well, but I'm not sure how well it performs.And yeah, I adore them. I collected standard FPs for a while but didn't enjoy them for drawing past a sketch. I hated the dullness and disposability of Micron and it didn't occur to me that my ideal pens existed. I have like.. maybe 42 of them I rotate through.. But yeah, great to find other enthusiasts, I hope more people discover these and new specialty lines come into production.
>>7326202No just the replacement nibs. I really like the metal body.>>7326293Some mangaka use a pentel presto correction pen. I have one and it's pretty damn good. Scans invisibly, but doesn't look very nice in person on a bright new paper. But that's something of a common issues: papers have fluorescent brighteners in them, which makes them whiter than any white ink or paint.That said, Lefranc has a "fluorescent white" color in their flashe vinyl-based paint that might be more-invisible, but I have never tested it and no one online (at least, no anglophones) talk about the paint at all more than occasionally.
>>7326330Thanks, I don't think I've seen those. I can't find many samples of use online, are they similar to the Bic Wite-Out pen? And yeah, it's helpful but I try to avoid using corrective whites on artpaper for that reason. Tinting white out to the paper tone might be a fun experiment for me.>>7325686And yeah, the Posca brushes are a little strange too. They don't have much of a pilling issue but it's common to get dry chunks stuck in the bristles. The paint is much thinner than the felt tip Poscas. The white needs a few layers to be somewhat opaque but can have a cool tonal milky/cloudy effect. Pressure control is even more important with the brush if you're doing any lines with it since the brush is longer with greater variation, but for painting/filling I'm sure it'd be more efficient for large areas.
>>7326293>used the white ink as a corrective fluid.You hit the nail on th head, I've been disappointed with gel whites. My precious Pentel Presto will run dry soon. This is great news for me, thanks anon.
>>7326330>Some mangaka use a pentel presto correction pen.haha, didn't read this yet:>>7326352>My precious Pentel Presto will run dry soon.
>>7289086where can i find this rabbit holequills are very cooli harvested a turkeys feathers and experimented with it a bit but had only middling resultsi dont have a good pen knife though
anyone know a good type of paper for inking other than the standard bristol? I tried this kent paper and it was ok but I'm still looking for something that holds the ink better.
>>7327195Paper choice is very individual. I dislike both bristol and rougher "drawing paper" and prefer heavy index card.
>>7326213>>7326223Eh, if you guys live in USA then maybe the outrage is legit even in 2030. But for the rest of the world, especially here in post ussr commie block the parker brand might as well not exist. But if you ask any boomer here about what is china pen, they will all point exactly towards that. And there are even some noname brands in india which copy the copied chinese hero pens. So we went full circle.And i would dare to say that chinese not just stole the original design, they kept innovating on it. And if you check the tube reviews, many will outright tell you that the relaunched parker 51 is worse than todays chinese versionshttps://youtu.be/qWXbmY039fYIf you want the smallest thinnest pen ever, there isnt anything smaller than this chinese classic. 911 is full metal version, the section is painted metal. For whooping 3 dollars. The only real downside is that they are made for chinese market aka for writing their moon runes: only extra fine nib available. And for maintenance purposes, the insides tend to be glued together. But at that price range you might as well buy new one instead of trying to fix broken one.And there is also Hero 100 version which looks like miniature version of lamy 2000 steel version. But that one comes with golden nib and i doubt anyone will ever pay 100$+ for chinese pen with supposedly golden nib. This one is clear evolution.https://youtu.be/eJaDtO82ozA
>>7327469Yea I can't fault people in thirdworld countries for buying chinkshit when even middling non-chinkshit stuff is like the equivalent of high end. But people in the US and western europe actively fuck themselves over by pumping money into china.It's not a quality thing or a racist thing. I used to buy chinese crap when I had bought the boomer line of "everything is made in china", and found plenty of it to be decent. I just don't want to give the CCP more money and data.
>>7327469yugonigger here, parker's in literally every bookstore and office supply store
Since there’s no rollerball general, can someone recommend a rollerball that draws with very light pressure.
>>7329738All of them draw with light pressure.My favorite of all time is the Pilot V5.It has recently been replaced by Uni Eye Micro with needlepoint tip, the only reason is because the Uni has waterproof ink.If you want ink that's waterproof Uni is the best in the market.If you don't care, or even want to be able to reactivate the ink for stuff like sketching with diluted ink and shading, the V5. There's also a V7.Those two are as legit technical pen as you can get in a rollerball, both with needlepoints.
>>7329738>>7329745Was surfing online and found two articles which might be of interest:>https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2010/10/27/review-pilot-precise-v5-extra-fine-blue.htmlI can't believe I forgot to mention the Uni Air, possibly lighter than the two mentioned, has waterproof, archival ink and even some line variation. An incredibly underrated and really good pen for art, which personally I don't use as much as the others because it doesn't have a needlepoint. It's basically the closest rollerball I've ever used to the smoothness and light touch of a fountain pen.>https://www.parkablogs.com/content/review-uniball-air-rollerball-pen
How deep should you dip the pen? I've seen some say to only dip around half the hole but then I've seen people dunk the whole thing.
>>7329745The Precise V5 RT is my wife
>>7329745>>7329757I’ve had nothing but bad luck with the V5.The uni air looks to be of interest.
>>7329843From experience, and also all mangaka's i've ever seen dip somewhere along the hole. If it's mission critical I do it less even.I dip lightly because it prevents accidents. If you like your pages looking like abstract art with random splashes of ink from flying ink (along with your clothes, desk, anything else) then dip the whole thing.
>>7329981>I’ve had nothing but bad luck with the V5.hmm, may I ask what? I practically grew up with it, and i've never had a bad one.You won't regret the Air though. Probably one of the single best portable & travel-friendly art pens.>>7329929Hey i know you, Interstellar-anon!
>>73274690.72 social credit points has be added to your account good Great China citizen. Wonderful news for Glory of Middle Kingdom.Chank you very much.
>>7329986The problem is that they’ll skip entire lines when hatching at a reasonable speed, leading to entire areas that can’t be drawn normally.
>>7330003I see, I've never hatched with a V5, so that's news to me.Sometimes I hatch with brush pens or isographs, and they both also have trouble keeping up the ink flow, but I actually prefer that and use that to advantage as it can create really nice character to the hatching. Like intentionally broken lines with faster strokes.
>>7330011>I've never hatched with a V5>they both also have trouble keeping up the ink flow, but I actually prefer that>Like intentionally broken linesOh for fucks sake I wish I had read this before I went out and bought a pack of three. The uni ball air has proven to skip when drawing ellipses, circles, and short hatch marks. Surprisingly it’s decent at long lines, curves and nothing else. So can someone who actually cares about the line quality of their linework recommend something better.
>>7330011brush pens do the "dry brush" thing when you go faster, and an isograph is meant to keep ink flowing then the nib is pressed against another surface, like paper. Unlike a fineliner, an isograph or any other technical pen has a nib that acts like a cork of sorts, if you push it you'll make it move, which in turn will make enough space for ink to flow. That's why they'll never be good at making lines in a fast way, which is a thing artists need.
>>7329989Good news, another "clone" of parker 51 has released. It is again full metal body, it has cool engraving, never seen before magnetic cap and it has standard converter. Shame they did not engrave also the grip section, i guess we are all collectively doomed for slippery pens.And it is a very slightly thicker than the "real" chink pens. 100 bucks
>>7330925They can make lines relatively quickly, about as well as you could expect from most fountain pens at the same pace if the iso ink is runnier or tip gauge is larger. They are meant for confident lines though, most popularly used by architects/cartoonists/draftsmen in the past alongside templates and letter guides. This requires a steady and even stroke but can be done quickly of course, which is helpful if hatching zones or marking in quick lettering.
>>7330307>So can someone who actually cares about the line quality of their linework recommend something better.Wow, this was condescending as fuck.I don't have access to my Uni Air in black right now, so I actually picked up two more. One in red and one blue just for the fuck of it since your experience wildly differs from mine.With both I can hatch quickly, and I'm a very fast hatcher. There is no breakage in lines. In all the Uni's Air pens I've used (now a total of four, with one of them refilled with fountain pen ink) not once have they ever skipped unless I haven't used them in a long time and that's only to get the initial ink flowing, in which case it's ready for weeks.I tested ellipses, circles and short hatch marks. They never skipped. My conclusion is that you're either holding your pen at a low angle, or you're using toothy paper.The cleanest, most consistent lines I can get with a regular pen that can keep up with flow would be a Pilot G-TEC, but you wanted a rollerball. And the G-TEC requires being held close to perpendicular to the paper.>>7330925Thanks anon. But I don't always want a very consistent line when hatching, depending on what it is I'll use a different tool.>>7333781This has been my experience as well. Isographs can hatch "fast enough" for me.
>>7333784>Wow, this was condescending as fuck.Yes of course, if you don’t care about each and every single line you make, then it’s impossible to take you seriously. The point of an implement is to show the intention of the person who wields it, if it fails to consistently make its mark then it has failed you. The uni air was being held perpendicular, and the smoother the paper the more it skipped, paper with tooth is not welcomed in this household. The brand or type of implement that is being held does not concern me, as long as it is able to transcribe every line honestly. The Pilot G-TEC is a top choice, however the similarity shaped and extremely inexpensive Chinese refills manage to equal its drawing performance, and do so while being noticeably smoother. I refuse to believe that the lowest priced implement is the ultimate one, so that’s why I am looking for one better.
>>7334068I don't ever recall mentioning not caring about lines. Don't put words in my mouth.There are times and places when lines should be sterile, it depends on the type of art. I disagree about the point of the implement being to show the intention, the implement itself has a character and a soul, and the artist flexes it.Take fingerpainting, for example. Fingerpainting is art, despite the implement not being uniform and consistent from finger to finger.Anyways, the Uni Air is more of a portable fast sketch pen with line variation for me, but again, I've had a completely different experience from yours.
>>7334106Words won’t be the only thing I’ll be putting in your mouth, and since you’re a finger painter your youthful little body will be greatly appreciated.
>>7334133Brush painting is another example. No one knows 100% how the brush will react.You see, art is not as generic and soulless as you've come to accept it as.
>>7334068>>7334106> sperging about line quality> not using a Series 7 or a hunt 101ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
>>7334159what's so good about a series 7 and hunt 101 anon?
>>7334139Art is whatever you want it to be, I demand the highest degree of perfection capable of the unsupported human hand and I will get it.
>>7304619They have refillable rollerballs
>>7334234Both are versatile, durable, not tied to some peculiar ink, and industry standards. Raphael brushes are better manufactured in my experience, and I use other kinds of crow quills, but you get the idea.Nibs need to be filed down if need them extra-thin; a brush doesn't have this issue, assuming it's well-handled. A brush also drinks less ink, and is gentler on the paper.Now you got me to sperg around, didn't you.
>>7334363>Now you got me to sperg around, didn't you.Not at all. Thanks anon.
>>7334368If you enjoy inking and line that much, and if you haven't already, I'd suggest to give those two a shot. The main drawbacks are lack of portability (as in, plein-air), and they're somewhat slower than fineliners and friends.
>>7334480Yes I have several nibs in front of me now. Just finished using my Maru nib. From what little I researched after your suggestion the Hunt is a little like the Maru. At least both are crowquill type.Just that those two aren't available locally to me. I did take a screenshot though and will keep an eye out for them.Thanks again anon.
>>7334133BASED
>>7334525there's no "Maru nib", it's just what japs call a crowquill, maru literally means circleboth it and the G nib are just european nibs that the japanese industry adopted
>>7334133>>7335588what the fuck anon? you're literally a faggot child molester.that's literally 1-2 degree's from serial killer.
>>7335620Interesting, what's the european equivalent to the g nib?
>>7335745look at the picture, dumbass
>>7335750I can't read the names in the pic smartass
>>7335620Thanks and you're right.However as you mentioned it's been adopted by the nips, and it's manufactured by the nips, and it's labelled as a Maru nib when I bought it. That's why I call it Maru.
>>7335745I think someone here posted this a while ago:>https://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/sets/72157627609017656/with/6121003884/
>>7334525lol I really thought you were baiting me: series 7 & hunt 101 are that standard for inking, I'm surprised you haven't heard of them. Some videos of interest here: https://www.youtube.com/@RichardFriendartistI tried a bunch of different nibs, but for drawing, the crowquills are the most convenient: they hold more ink, can go thin and still quite thick. I don't think there's that much difference between manufacturers, though some people complained about a loss of quality compared to older nibs. There has been similar complains for brushes, in particular the series 7Glad I could help!
>>7335588>>7335684As long as we don’t see an exquisitely hand inked ransom letter, demanding the release of a young male artist in exchange for the ultimate writing implement, then there is nothing to worry about.
>>7335985From your experience, how big of a difference, (or is there one at all) between Jap Maru nibs and crowquills. Did the Japs change nothing at all about it and just use different production materials and techniques?>>7336038>the ultimate writing implementJust use a Micron or a fine dip pen.
I have a nib holder that looks like the top two ones in OP's pic:>>7277595The rubber/plastic holding section is loose, so whenever I wipe my nib with a paper towel, it pulls the nib straight off.Any tips on tightening it somehow?
>>7336068>From your experience, how big of a difference, (or is there one at all) between Jap Maru nibs and crowquills. Did the Japs change nothing at all about it and just use different production materials and techniques?No idea. I wouldn't be surprised for something made-in-Japan to be well-crafted, and nowadays better than what we can have in the West.
>>7336348That makes sense. Thanks again anon.
What's the difference between using a fountain pen paper like rhodia over a mixed media paper or>>7327195
>>7327195Bristol is literally the industry standard.>>7337125Rhodia will not hold up well under heavy applications, only ink and pencil.Mixed media for mixed media, and heavier applications of stuff like brush and ink.Fountain pen paper a relatively cheaper option, will hold up as long as you don't go crazy with flex nibs, brushes and ink or heavy re-applications. It will buckle with a lot of moisture.
>>7279646how is such a desk called? This particular one looks greatAny tips on desks for someone who wants to try trad?
>>7308646>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/german-band-rammstein-accusedwas a nothingburger and the outlets that peddled the story never excused themselves
>>7338102Drafting table, look for one with adjustable angles and a parallel bar or universal drafting arm if one suits your needs
>>7338104t'was more about their "visual identity"
>>7286063that’s some fine ink there
>>7339174Never heard of it.
>>7279002>how true is that?My drawing board is at a 30 degree angle, and everything from technical ink pens to fountain pens to dip pens work just fine despite the steep incline which leaves the pen itself at a near horizontal angle.>tldr it's not an issue
>>7332203I hate the hidden nib feature. What's the point of having and using an ink pen if you can't see the beautiful nib?
>>7341339Supposedly it was a feature to make uncapped pens dry out slower. Some people like the sleek look.
>>7337125Some paper sucks the water (ink) like crazy, resulting in so fast drying speeds it is impossible to smudge the ink. However this sucking property introduces bleeding.On other hand some papers dont suck the water at all or at very slow rate. It is almost as if the ink is gliding on the surface, instead of seeping into it. The result is super clean sharp line on par with digital line. But the ink will take longer time to dry and will be very susceptible to smudging.To make the topic more complicated, some inks are fast drying and some are slow drying. So you cannot really ask>which paper is the bestbecause you cannot compare them in a vacuum. The best approach is to simply buy a cheap small stack and test it out yourself. And while you are at it, i recc trying out the printer paper (80gms, branded for ink jet printers), you will be surprised how well the cheapest paper on the market takes inks. After all ink printers and ink you draw with are practically identical.>>7341339Say no more sir, we have you covered! Pilot E95S
>>7341480>Say no more sir, we have you covered!Welp, that a BEAUTIFUL pen actually. Thanks for sharing anon.
>>7303961>Preppy is a 5$ fountain pen that destroys so many fancy ones with inconsistent nibs.I think I'll buy it once my very first kiddo bic pen gets damaged; thanks for recommend it
>>7342157Didn't know about this product. Cool.
>>7338121thanks
Ink bros check her out, She's amazing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEChmRmy08A
>>7339308>>7339174It's not the ink from the bottle. I just use the bottle because I like the lil hole on top. The ink is dokumentus archival ink.
Top 5 Fountain Pens for Dark Academia>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0AiqbOzuToTop 5 Fountain Pen Inks Dark Academia, Writing With Shadows>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s24AOGs3qqITop 5 More Fountain Pens for Dark Academia & How to Become a Dark Academic>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLSw4ypglgwCan't get enough of this cringe.
Just found this new channel:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn8x4ObvsAE
>>7303975>eyedropper preppyDo you have any issues with it as compared with cartridges? I got my first preppies today and I'm thinking about converting them, but I've heard that with the bigger air bubble inside there are also bigger problems, like that it can start spewing too much ink when it gets warmed up in your hand. Do you regret converting your pens sometimes?
>>7348906>Can't get enough of this cringe.Same, it's mesmerizing. I can feel it flowing through me, this wonderful ~dark academia~Thank you for sharing, kind gentlemen.
>>7352420I don't know how he does it, he just knows how to press all the right buttons. This one gave me goosebumps at the end:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRuA_jHTYmU
Now I feel like getting that fountain pen....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SvaitlOH40
>>7352362I highly recommend the Preppy with eyedropper mod to anyone who writes or draws a lot. It really is immensely satisfying to rarely have to refill ink. That's not my pen btw, just an image I found online.It's been several years with the same Preppy. During this time I've nearly wrapped up one bottle of Noodler's Black with it.I had it burp just one time on me, it was a warm day, it was in my hand for a while and I had let the ink chamber fall to ~25%. Even now it's half full and it doesn't burp.Price-Performance wise, it's the best fountain pen I've ever used in no small part due to the eyedropper mod. A solid, consistent line which is less fountain-pen and more technical pen.I often put it in my pocket, but you should ideally keep it in a hard pencil case or roll.tldr no regrets. And even if I did want to return to cartridges, I could convert it back as the original pen is not damaged.
>>7353654Thanks for the details Anon! You've convinced me and I'll try it out as well - thank you very much :)
I started with Digital now want to try out Trad for my mental health mostly, just being disconnected from all fucking media so I don't get distracted (Bad adhd brain) Is this pen good? How long will it take to empty if I make small postcard sized drawings where I fill the hair/clothing 100% with ink?
>>7354061No idea, but the pros using those seem to go through them pretty fast, like Kim Jung Gi always have an already emptied bunch of those on his tool tray, and those guys are proficient on that tool. So a beg would spend them even faster.The key would be the cost of those things. Maybe you would be better getting ink bottles and a couple of quality brushes.
Have you guys ever tried modding your fountain pen with a g nib?It looks really poggers to combine flexibility of that nib and ink capacity of a fountain pen. I mean, just look how thick or thin this line gets!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Jpo-Lpweghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rr2idVgkMw
>>7326293>In his documentary I saw he used Koh-I-Noor pens.Do we know what size of nib Crumb uses?
>>7354061I recommend the Pocket Brush Pen over those. They have a nice, thick line and are refillable.
>>7277595Apparently you can use food colouring instead of ink in a pinch:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtA-X6bBKZg
>>7354776if by "pinch" you mean "profound retardation"
>>7354202This guy found the solution:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OTRS3sGE4c
>>7354777Ink is just a fancy coloring, bozo. As explained in that video I provided there were no problems with it. The only retarded thing here is your snobbish attitude.
>>7355162>Ink is just a fancy coloringnot him but food coloring is unlikely to be lightfast
>>7355723...am I surrounded by zoomers with no attention span right now?Just 3 minutes in he talks about fading and how it's wasn't an issue at all, even after 8 months of it being exposed to day light (pic related). That's more than any of your drawings that are hidden in near-constantly closed up sketchbooks will ever face. In the comments you'll also find people confirming that it works, who used food coloring this way for even longer than that.I mean, sure, it probably won't survive 100 years, but ink doesn't have to be of archival quality to be useful.Sorry if I'm sounding snippy right now, but I shared with you guys a really interesting and useful life hack and it seems like you're shitting on it without even giving it a chance, because it seems silly at a first glance.
>>7355791it's not useful at all, there's literally nothing "fancy" about ink and I'm tired of fountainiggers finding new ways of shitting up every ink thread
>>7355871You're have literally brain damage and arguing is as pointless. Go drink bleach.
>You're have literally brain damage and arguing is as pointless
>>7279140Not that anon, but I appreciate this. Was dipping into the thread to ask that exact queation. Traditional inking looked fun, but there are so many pens and nibs it's hard to tell where to begin and you don't wanna waste your money on a pen made more for writing.
>>7355791>...am I surrounded by zoomers with no attention span right now?No, I haven't even bothered looking at the video actually.> even after 8 months of it being exposed to day light (pic related).I'm surprised by this, especially for the reds.> Sorry if I'm sounding snippy right now, but I shared with you guys a really interesting and useful life hack and it seems like you're shitting on it without even giving it a chance, because it seems silly at a first glance.Frankly, I'm just unimpressed by the idea. Sure, it can be done, maybe you can get decent results, but it's of little value in my eye from an artistic point of view: technique, design, guaranteed lightfastness are waaaaay more valuable to me.To put it bluntly, I'm largely uninterested in fountain pen writing and such, I won't be a good client for that kind of tips. I don't mind calligraphy, but I enjoy "real" ink, nibs and brushes
This video is a must see:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8jA0afqueYDidn't know about shimmering inks:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1C_oZ0WCc
Why is the thread infested by fountain pen and fountain pen accessories shills?Who the fuck inks with a fountain pen?What's next, ballpoint reviews?
>>7357123Do ballpoint pens use ink?Yes or no?
>hurr do squids use ink durr
>>7357142>hurr do squids use ink durr>Yes. See? it wasn't that hard.
>>7357129>>7357143Stop acting retarded.
>>7357144You don't do handwriting with a printer. Now you're being silly anon.
>>7357146You don't do handwriting with rakes either, you dumb cunt. Because inking isn't handwriting.
>>7357156>Halftone-RakeGrab a piece of paper and write down a letter using ink, you can use any inking tool you like anon. And then tell me how writing letters using your hand is called =)
>shill retard doubles downsad
Some anon here >>7356665 asked about how to ink like classic engraving style so here's a video about thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=errh0evzLCQ
>>7356970>No, I haven't even bothered looking at the video actually.And that's the problem with niggers like you: you insist on shitting on everything that doesn't fit your narrow-minded narrative, without spending the bare minimum of effort to actually inform yourself.If you don't care about fountain pens, then don't engage in discussions about them. Stop spewing your retarded opinions on topics you know nothing about.>>7357166Pic related was done with fountain pens. If it's such a shitty tool, then post work you've done with your "real" tools like dip pens, fineliners or whatever. I'm sure it will be SO much better.
>>7357525that's honestly pretty bad looking
>>7357530Then Anon should have no problems with posting his work and absolutely mogging it.
>>7357548come on, the monotonous line, the ugly thin ink, it looks amateurishit's just ugly the guy can clearly draw and is held back by the medium, it's the opposite of an advertisement for fountain pens
>>7357525Cool stuff anon. I wonder how that art would look when using that "shimmering" type of ink though
>>7357525Yeah and the problem with niggers like you is that you can't have a polite and respectful discussion with people who don't share the same values ¯\_(ツ)_/¯You can't blame an genuine artist for shrugging to the idea of using food coloring instead of inks. Don't let the dicks get in your head and have you shit on everyone like a barking dog. Ignore them and move on with your life.> art.jpgAlright desu. Try drawing bigger, you'll have more room for details. A brush would be more efficient at least for portions of it, assuming this was all done only with fountain pens.
>>7357751>Try drawing bigger, you'll have more room for detailsI don't think he made that drawing...
>>7357525Yuck.
>>7357784> https://www.penrealm.com/fountain-pen-art-and-artists/Seems that you're rightThen we can quote random niggers as well:> https://www.instagram.com/dikonursyahra.art/reel/DAfIv5mPGCa/
I've found the fountain pen of my dreams. Now I only need 300USDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp80eYO-nU0
>>7277595any opinions on my inking for this one, i feel like i did a decent job but still have a lot too learn
>>7362214Cool idea/design anon. Though I wished it looked more like an inked piece of art. Looks more like a traditional drawing.
>>7362214I mean, even without eyes I get that there might be some spooky skelly magic that lets him see well enough to aim that 1911 but how the fuck are the other two guns being aimed?
>>7362345hip shooting>>7362214nice, perhaps could use some thicker outline inking.What did you ink it with?
>>7362345vibes>>7362413i inked the outlines with .3 .2 .1 and .05 fineliners (for details) the shading was done with .05 and .1, but im gonna try making the outlines thicker next time>>7362236yeah, the guns were "colored" with pencils
I need this pen now!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA1EV9Wh8iI
nobody cares you fucking autistgo back to spamming whatever fountain pen collector subreddit you crawled out of
>>7365353This is the inking tools general, and yes people cares. I'll post some cool fountain ink pens later.
>p-people care >has to samefag desperately because nobody bothered posting in 3 daysjust let this shitty thread die, you deluded shill
>>7277595You don't.
>>7368568not him but why so hostile anon?fountain pens might be interpreted as not pro traditional inking, but i don't understand why this thread should be killed.>>7368566Also anon, maybe fountain pen talk deserves its own thread. I can see why a thread about inking techniques might get people upset if fountain pens as products rather than tools are discussed. I like fountain pens btw.
>>7365353>>7368568I found the thread interesting. But I think it served its purspose (I bought a lot of inking stuff - gonna try out sth non-digital for once).
Could I get some recommendations on decent inking pens and nibs that are not only good for starters but keep their usability and value as I go? After getting a god tier mechanical pencil recommended here I figure it would be worth investing in a good inking pen as well.
>>7371367Any of these pens can be a good option:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OS7z5ONNVk
>>7371425I'd laugh if they were all fairly mediocre in terms of function.
>>7371367https://pawell2418.github.io/projetpenmania.html
>>7373357This is perfect. I was so overwhelmed by th amount of options and there just weren't many videos or resources I could find tackling these pens for art use.Thank you anon, reading through now.
>>7373357This really did help. Finally tracked down a decent pen that fit all the criteria and had decent reviews (with the price being the only negative but I nabbed a used one for 70 bucks off). Medium Schmidt nib, refillable cartridge, injection-molded plastic feed, and after watching some reviews, people say it feels absolutely fantastic. To top it all off, it's the limited Christmas edition which is my absolute favorite time of year. Time to shop around for some inks now but man am I excited to use this. It'll be my first proper pen.
>>7374092>benu penthis brand really takes no prisoners. they just do what others dont even consider doing. I am a bit sceptical of the pen shape, but it looks like one of their less crazy designs so it will be probably fine.If you are into extravagant pens, i also recc checking out all the indian brands like ranga, vsign and magma carta and one chink brand hongdian. The stuff these guys make just have no competition.
>>7373357So, like, I can't use any of these since I'm left-handed, right?
>>7374471Went ahead and screencapped the post for the future so I don't forget the brands if I'm ever in the market for another pen. Right now I figure I'll start with this one and a fude brush pen.>I am a bit sceptical of the pen shapeSame, but all the reviews I've watched said it feels really good apparently, even the little ridges. One guy mentioned how capping the top makes of feel a tad top heavy though so he recommended against that. Really excited to try it out though. Didn't put much stock in spending money on better brands, but like I said earlier, I finally sank a bit of money into a nice mechanical pencil and the difference in the "feel" and level of control is huge so hopefully this pen hits that smooth, gliding feeling that was mentioned in >>7373357 and the weight control is everything it's hyped up to be in the reviews.
>>73745951. being left handed in drawing has zero consequences. you can literally hold the pen in the standard tripod configuration and draw from right corner of canvas to the left. the only reason why lefties are bullied at school is because of the writing system where you MUST write from left to right: lefties have to cope by using alien grips and push the ink in front of hand. this doesnt apply for drawing.2. some brands like Lamy offer special nibs for lefties (LH) and also they have begginer nibs (A) which are completely round, theoretically ideal for lefties since it will write smoothly at any angle.https://www.lamy.com/en/lamy-nib-guide/3. unless you buy pen with triangular grip, they are completely symetrical so good enough for lefties or extreme right or even centrists.4. if you also want to write it, look into fast drying inks. brands like noodlers offer 999 inks, some of them are branded as fast drying: the ink will dry before your left hand will smudge it
>>7374837Damn, this is so obvious. I just kinda gave up on pens because I couldn't write with them. I even bought a quick-drying ink, but it just wouldn't flow out of the nib. I'll look into it, thanks.
If I want the ink to lighten up like watercolor is it better to: >water it down in a separate container and apply >put ink down as is and wet it>wet the paper and apply the ink?
