>>7277595
My Answer: You don't.!

>>7277595
with a compass

>>7277595
You don't unless you have a compass. For smaller circles it's possible to make them almost perfect. After doing the dynamic sketching by peter han course, start off with a pencil and then carefully ink the line with a bic cristal pen.

>>7277595
get templates

>>7277595
Templets. But make sure they are raised/beveled a bit so the ink doesn't smudge, same with a beveled ruler.

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I've been doing a lot of ink work the last year and really like it but I haven't stretch out past micron/fineliners and brush pens because traditional pens intimidate me. What's a good place to start if I want to try real pens?

>>7278945
With real pens you mean dip pens, hopefully?

I heard you need to keep your paper completely level horizontal when using ink pens like this, how true is that? I'm very used to having my tiltable drawing table at a fairly substantial angle.

>>7279001
No, penis

gottem

But yeah dip pens, don't know why I said real pens like fineliners are fake

>>7278945
There's a deleter set that's like 10 bux and comes with a holder, 3 nibs, and a couple postcard-sized sheets of paper. You can also try some of the speedball sets and there's a few english-made ones also available (I don't remember the name) that come in a plastic snap case.

I don't want to burn money on another nib holder to test this but I heard that all 3 of these are their own standards for which nibs fit in which: Speedball, generic western, and japanese. If another anon can confirm/deny this it would be nice to know.

>>7279084
Sick, I found it on Amazon, I'll snag it. Any recommendations for ink? I've got some Speedball black I used for airbrushing and weathering so I'll just use that. Thanks anon

>>7278945
https://www.fabercastell.com/products/grip-2010-fountain-pen-coconut-milk

>>7279111
Ink type depends on what you want to be using it for and is mostly personal. Some are more-brown, some are more-blue. Some are translucent, some feather out, some are "raised." How they respond to water and alcohol can differ. There's also acrylic inks which are fully permanent but can wreck your nibs if you aren't careful.

I am just a deleter No. 4 fag because the cat logo makes me happy and it works with copics.

>>7278945
>>7279067
>What's a good place to start if I want to try real pens?
Just go to an art supplies store, try out some nib holders you like and then buy some nibs. Learn what you like to use and get comfortable. Dip pen might seem a bit of a daring medium but it's actually not that hard to learn.

>>7278945
If you like the technical consistent width lines from micron but are looking for less disposable pens, also look into stylo/rapidograph pens. Koh-i-noor offers decent basic sets, but you can find cheap sets from Rotring, Faber Castell, and Staedtler as well. They require a bit more maintenance than fountain pens and are finicky in that they don't write at extreme angles and are to repair/clean if the feed is clogged with dry ink. The tips are metal tubes holding a wire, dispensing ink of a certain width. Similar to fountain pens you can load different inks, and they are compatible with most fountain pen inks. They were popular for cartooning and architectural drawing before CAD.

>>7279316
>less disposable.
Microns can be refilled as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIw6Wu2_vGs

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>>7277595
Ballpoint
>>7277595
Without tools it's very hard, but to get close perfect do it very slowly and physically look closely and maybe bounded by a perfect shape like a square or cross, requires practice as its a fine movement
But if you want an exact perfect one right now it’s much better to just use a tool
>>7279002
I used them sideways for a bit and it seems the ink will only move out if the pen tip is at a certain angle, possible but it's annoying but probably doable with enough practice

whats a good refillable technical pen to get?
i recently found some old pilot hi-tec C maica pens i had from ten years ago
the feeling of them is incredible but i dont want to keep buying disposable pens

>>7279361
I previously mentioned Koh-i-noor, Rotring, Faber Castell & Staedtler make the rapidograph type technical fountain pens. I have 42 of these pens.. My favorites are the FC sets. Koh-i-Noor is very standard and the easiest to find replacement tips if you break one or upgrade the tip. Rotring is good but some of their pens may have a cartridge refill (which would have to be replaced or refilled with a syringe opposed to a dropper). I see Staedtler MarsMatics recommended a lot- they have a softer/smoother cut wire so they glide a bit smoother on paper. I’ve used each one, since you like the hi-tecs you might enjoy a finer (<.5 mm/size 1) rapidograph. Once you have a favorite brand & ink you can upgrade to a vintage stylograph in your ideal size, or a full set with jewel tips so that they don’t wear out. You can find relatively cheap sets online.
>>7279316
Yes, but the tip is felt.

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>>7279349
>the pen tip is at a certain angle
I was thinking more about if the lines starts dripping ink down the page if your working plane is at an angle like pic related

>>7279646
That doesn't happen. At a microscopic level the ink "grabs" onto the paper, which acts like a weak sponge, and starts immediately drying into the fibers. It also has surface tension, and the lines aren't so thicc that the weight of the liquid overcomes that. You'd have to basically be drawing using a squeeze bottle or a really juicy brush for ink to run like that.

>>7279731
good to know, thanks

>>7279337
Unless you're drawing on extremely smooth paper, your Micron's (really any felt tip) nib will die before the ink goes.

>>7280624
Yeah, I meant my reply on that at the end of >>7279636 for them. The micron felt tips and body aren't ma de for long term use.

>>7279636
holy based thank you for the response
ill try a few of those out then and see what feels best for me

So how do I fix shaky hands? I don't have problem with digital thanks to stabilizer.

>>7283426
fill up a page entirely of lines going vertically, then layer on top of that horizontal lines across the whole page, then / \ both diagonals on top of that on the same page
do this for 50 pages total

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>>7278945
>real pen

>>7283474
cool

>>7283474
That's not a pen. That's a quill. It's even in your filename??

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>>7283474
been there

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>>7283474
that's not a real pen

>>7286063
Hello fellow quill user.
>>7286062
>>7286092
Pen can be traced back to the Latin word penna or pinna, meaning "feather."

>>7289031
>fag can be traced to the greek phakelos meaning bundle
except it doesn't mean bundle, does it, nerd?

>>7289051
>faggot pretending he don't know about the origin of the word "faggot".
I pity you for not understand the greatness of quill pen - the main writing tool of Western civilization for thousands of years - dead in boomer generation.
There are like hundreds of ways to cut a quill pen to create multiple style of drawing and calligraphy. It's a rabbit hole of traditional inking.

>>7289086
I literally told you the origin of the word, you illiterate brown monkey, are you fucking retarded?

What's the best bright pure red waterproof dip pen ink?

>>7292509
Probably something vermilion-based? Le traditional Chinese red (well, orangeish). Otherwise, look for an "indian" ink containing actual cadmium.

There seems to be vermilion ink sticks and Kuretake has some "vermilion" ink as well. I doubt it's genuine vermilion though.

if I want a colored pencil for the underdrawing for a dip pen and indian ink, am I better off with a color pencil or a watercolor pencil or what?

>>7294929
waxier colored pencil will repel ink, watercolor pencils could work. if it's an underdrawing you'll want to erase later test if the ink will smear or fade. if it's for the purpose of color id just do normal watercoloring after waterproof inking

>>7294929
why not graphite?

>>7296088
colored graphite looks like ass

>>7296104
I meant graphite, not colored graphite

Inkursive on etsy makes a clear piston fountain pen that takes Maru nibs (mapping nibs). Anyone tried it?

>>7299275
Cool

>vapid, pointless bumpfaggotry
Either post something useful or let the thread die, you dumb nigger

>>7299275
The body looks like an ackerman clone but with the aluminum pieces replaced with plastic. It being half the cost is interesting, but I'm not really sure if it's super worth.
I will say that ackerman's demonstrator feels a bit weirder than their pump pen though, so you may not enjoy the piston one as much. Part of their non-demonstrators' claimed benefits is that it's made of a kind of nonstick plastic (delrin I think?) which makes it unable to perma-clog and become ruined. They also claim that you should match the feed you use to the ink viscosity you want, and use an overfeed for manga nibs because they are very thirsty. I find the pump button helps to mitigate the "thirsty" part but it does require some care and attention while inking.

>>7300915
niggers gonna nigg

>>7301041
Interesting. I've actually got a couple clear demo pens from Ackerman and I'm pretty sure one is all plastic, but it is possible I got an odd one. One of them has a click to lock the piston, and one doesn't, for example. Fwiw they are a bitch to work with. Takes a little bit to get ink to the nib and you need to have worked the feed and nib into it at a precise angle, it feels like each pen has a sweet spot. I haven't tried the pump pen but I do have their opaque sketch pen, with the sketch nib, and it's up there with one of my favorite inking or sketching pens. I will be sad when Ackerman stops stocking the sketch nib. I really wish Ackerman would come back in stock with the crowquill adapter, but it does look like the Inkursive Manga pen is about as close as you can get today. The Maru nib isn't the same as the same as a crowquill but eh, close enough for government work.

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hi, i have a question: i am looking for fountain pens which have shape/style/ergonomics similar to lamy aion (pic related, silver and black one in middle)

so basically smooth thicker body. cigar shape. so far i found
>lamy 2000
>pelikan pura
>faber castel e motion

Why are these so rare? are the ergonomics bad in this style? i think it looks great and the lack of grip means you can use any grip you want. ideal for drawing, no? sadly each model of these has some drawback. do you know any else of these modern style like?

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>>7301139
ergos for drawing is really going to be user dependent, some may like a style and others may not. but to your question, that design makes me think of a Noodler's Ahab, and the anons above were talking about Ackerman which i googled and found this, which might fit your need. this is the Ackerman "sketch classic," and if not for being 30 dollars i'd give it a try. maybe. there's also Ranga if you want to import from India. that thick design immediately brings Ranga to mind.

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>>7301139
>>7301145
i don't like wasting images but i don't want to trip a spam filter by linking a site either, but this is the Indian pen. pretty thick, decent cigar shaped tool. check for Ranga pens, they have a ton like this.

>>7301139
>sadly each model of these has some drawback.
Naming what your subjective drawbacks are might help someone recommend an alternative.
The Lamy 2000 in all metal body has an immense reputation, but I've never used it.
Lamy is solid, but overpriced.

>>7301139
>smooth thicker body. cigar shape
That's a typical montblanc.

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>>7301139
It have something to do with ink dry. You usually see that design with a hooded nib.
Fountain pen collector also prefer screw caps so luxury pens focus more on that.

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>>7301633
i guess i should have been more elaborate. If jinhao 80 was in metal i would probably consider it close to ideal:
sleek body, diameter on the thicker end, there are no threads or jump on the body section, it uses normal nib you can easily replace and it has no nonsense filling mechanism which simply cannot fail: cartridges' or converter.

i wouldnt even mind the price tag of lamy 2000, if it wasnt equipped with that typical overengineered nib where to swap nib you need to buy all the inner mechanisms for whooping 150 euro. Not to mention they only offer gold nibs in two sizes, instead of the jowo or bock nibs where you can choose from 20 styles and 10 materials for fraction of the price...

>>7301145
these are like 95% of the pen market: it has that 19th century design where they simply couldnt manufacture anything better at the time: so it has threads and jump exactly on spot where you hold it.

Another thing which baffles me is why so little brands put anti-slippery features on their pens. especially on the metal models. like you find gorgeous pen from steel or aluminum and the grip section is thin and polished like a mirror: it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these. I guess my ideal pen is crossbreed of muji fountain pen (it has the anti slippery bumps on the body) and lamy aion for general thicker shape. And the market is instead filled with the copy pasted 19th century design. Meanwhile children get thick triangular pens which clearly undergo evolution so they have maxxed out ergonomics. Why the serious pens for adults lag so hard behind?

>>7302043
>Why the serious pens for adults lag so hard behind?
Why abandon the perfection? When you try to find a fountain pen that can last for a life time, it's always come back to the 90s designs. I only found an improvement in Jinaho 9019, 9016 and 9013. Lamy maybe be good for students because of the grip nut they tend to break their cap in 1 or 2 years

>>7301139
i guess for a thick straightcap without threading & subtle taper, waterman 12, muji aluminum, cross bailey, maybe parker 51, you might also enjoy the lamy accent even though it has a little nib 'cuff.' not sure how you feel about the retractable types but maybe check out the pilot vanishing point if you like. the pentel kerry mechanical pencil would be a cool accompaniment

>>7302043
>it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these.
Correct, for many people they're just used for signatures or as luxury items. Nobody is drawing or writing extensively with those.
The threading you complained about does serve as additional grip.

>Meanwhile children get thick triangular pens which clearly undergo evolution so they have maxxed out ergonomics
Barrel diameter is down to individual preference.
For me personally, thick writing tools are not really great IMO. I have less finger dexterity with them. My go-to for sketching is a thin plastic mechanical pencil. The ackerman shown above has a nicely thinned out section between the thread and the nib which is comfortable. I also have a platinum preppy for signing things and just pop-and-go writing, but its ink is not waterproof and the barrel is too thick to write with comfortably for a long time.
I rarely use my wrist at all but I do a lot of small (letter/A4 and smaller) work, so that's probably related to why I err towards thinner.

>>7302043
Meanwhile I hate triangular grips and love the platinum preppy 02 with the platinum water resistant ink. Perfect match.

>>7303104
Based, I use 02 with Noodler's Black. It's perfect.

Do you use Platinum regular black or Carbon black? Both are water resistant, but Carbon is water proof.

>>7302043
>it is like they dont expect people to actually write with these
>he doesn't know
fountain pens are a gay nerd collector's item, they don't use them, they just autistically compare them and fantasize about the perfect patina gold nib

>>7303572
Meanwhile drafstmen grab their trusty worn-out, covered with dried ink 102 for miles, filing it to keep it sharp, until one day it's gaping like an old unvirtuous lady, and can finally be put to rest.

The End.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXI3cuPAm0

>>7303572
>>7303934
Draftsment used to use fountain pens as well. I believe it was primarily for the architect font.

Also, the "they don't use them" guy, you're confusing consoomer collectors to actual users. So it's wrong to generalize everyone as such.
Two good examples above:
>>7303104
>>7303557
Preppy is a 5$ fountain pen that destroys so many fancy ones with inconsistent nibs.

>>7303961
the absolute vast majority of people buying fountain pens don't use them for anything more than signing things every once in a while, don't delude yourself
even in the early 2000s the most common usage of fountain pens were school kids and university students, and nobody writes in school anymore

>>7303962
You're probably right about a lot of people. But as I type this I'm sitting at my desk with my cheap Preppy and taking notes on a documentary I'm watching.
I don't know about the absolute vast majority, but it does the job for me.
It's possibly (besides my other fave Pilot G-TEC C4) the best all around pen for notetaking, sketching, peranent ink, and a very fine line.
I've been using mine as an EDC for several years now. I have it eyedropper converted with cheap Noodlers Black, so all mmy notes and sketches are permanent. I basically never have to reload the ink (maybe once or twice a year).
Pic is not mine but exactly the same, found it on the net. The color is not black, it's literally filled with ink.

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>>7303962
>>7303972
forgot pic related:

>>7303961
>Draftsment used to use fountain pens as well. I believe it was primarily for the architect font.
Yeah I'm sure some people must have had use for them, but since they're less versatile and hardly tolerate pigmented inks, their use must have been confined.

>>7303962
>the absolute vast majority of people buying fountain pens don't use them for anything more than signing things every once in a while, don't delude yourself
Pretty sure it's true with art supply in general...

>>7303972
>so all mmy notes and sketches are permanent
Hm? Given the pen, the inks must not be pigmented. So while the ink might be waterproof, it shouldn't be permanent. Though, permanent enough for notes in book closed most of the time

>>7304212
>Pretty sure it's true with art supply in general
I don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint.
The closest thing I can think of are the retards memed into buying sable brushes to paint wargame minis with acrylics.
Most people try to get away with the cheapest shit for art supplies because it's not a single item you can splurge on in a moment of weakness, but lots of individual items that can be pretty expensive even individually. One of the biggest issues in watercolor is getting people to buy actual cotton paper because literally everyone avoids it like the plague and goes for the cheaper cellulose instead, then gets frustrated because it's just awful to paint on and doesn't allow you to do half the techniques.

>>7304212
>>7304253
Also, just to be clear, this isn't really commentary on the pens themselves, I'm just pointing out that the target demographic isn't actually concerned with the pen's characteristics beyond looks and maybe paper specs, so neither are the manufacturers generally.

>>7304253
>I don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint.
Oh, many people will collect assortments of fancy pencils while being completely unable to use them at all. I've been there actually. But it works for paint, brushes, PDFs, videos tutorials: hoarding spirit.

>>7304253
>I don't know anyone collecting 6B pencils or buying them to be fancy or in case they need to write something down, much less paint.
There are a lot of "art supplies" which are just normal stationary with an upmarket aesthetic, aimed at people who don't actually use them often. Super fancy moleskine notebooks for example, they had a fineliner pack that was sold with them. You usually see these not in art stores but in stationary stores.

There's also the stupid rich LARPer end of things - Gucchi and Louis Vuitton released the exact same shitty colored pencil set in exactly the same roll with just a different pattern on it and different hardware, from the same manufacturer. Worse than normal prismacolors while being over 7x as expensive.

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>>7304212
>Hm? Given the pen, the inks must not be pigmented. So while the ink might be waterproof, it shouldn't be permanent. Though, permanent enough for notes in book closed most of the time
Noodler's is a unique case, as it's dye based. It's waterproof (actually water resistant for Bulletproof Black, since in anything higher than an ultra extra fine nib water can reactivate it unless I guess you wait a very long time) and permanent.

>>7304268
>I'm just pointing out that the target demographic isn't actually concerned with the pen's characteristics beyond looks and maybe paper spec
Again, I don't know about the target demographic, but every industry has these people. Pencils, cars, etc.. so I feel it's not fair to the rest of the demographic who use their tools, to be bundled in that category.
>pic related, one of the people you mentioned.

>>7304613
I think what he meant was that the market for fountain pens has fallen apart due to the 1-2 punch of ballpoint becoming dominant and then digital. It's actually quite hard for me to find fountain pens IRL, I had to get my preppy from a japanese import shop.

>>7304615
I see.
I think that just having refillable ink makes fountain pens forever obsolete proof vis ballpoints. Maybe digital will destroy them all, just as we no longer have typewriter manufacturers today.

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>>7302432
thanks for the mentioning the lamy accent. that is a model you dont normally see in the online shops so it flew under the radar for me. It has an interesting design where you can swap out the grips and it has that sleek modern design AND it has screw cap so it has potential to be pen for life. But lmao at that price tag. They cannot be serious with that. It costs more than lamy 2000!

I have this romantic idea of buying a pen and drawing with it for the rest of my life. I think i will buy a few of my current candidates and see for myself which feels the best in the hand + on the paper.
>Kaweco Special Brass
has that octagonal shape like pencils so it wont roll on table, which really annoys me with my current noname pens. exotic material and kaweco really makes WRITING things, the nib and feed is screw in so you dont damage it during cleaning or replacing
>Monterverde Ritma
Basic cylinder pen, but with magnetic cap and is very thick so hopefully it will be comfortable to hold. Again takes standards nibs and international cartridge's like kaweco so you know its made for writing and easy service or spare parts
>Lamy Aion
And lastly i am looking at that cigar shape, because in practice you cannot know for sure if your ideal grip is 12 or 11 or 11.7mm, so in theory with tapered shape your hand will find its own ideal diameter. But lamy uses its own nibs and its own cartridge's, so i asked if there isnt similar pen from diff brand. Like for example Cross ATX Matte Chrome also has that shape, but its grip is polished chrome so grip will be ass. And on top of it it has section bump yet the cap is not threaded so it will get loose over time. And it is thin. I already have thin pencils and ballpoint pens and old chinese pens (parker 51 knockoffs) after my ancestors at home. Fuck thin pens.

Maybe this is foolish idea and the meta is to buy faber castel grip or the platinum preppy or twisbi eco and when it falls apart like all cheap plastic does buy the new one.

>>7304813
Brass feels icky after a while and makes your hands stink. It gets disgusting with tarnish over years too. Most brass has some amount of lead in it as well, dunno if I'd want to write with that.

>>7303557
I'm using the carbon ink because I'm sketching in site with the fountain pen and adding watercolor after, and that's the ink I saw recomended online, also for some reason the noodler's inks are very expensive to import into my euro country.

I was using a 300€ montblanc (I inherited it) with ef nib before buying a couple of preppys and the only difference is that the montblanc slides slightly easier over the paper, but they are new so it'll probably change.

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>>7304816
that is a protentional problem, yes. still i am curious if heavier pen wont feel better than the lightweights. plus the patina should make the grip extra anti slippery. If i will end up liking the general shape, there are quite a few hexagonal pens on the market, or i can even order the same pen from caweko, but in aluminium. Or the painted version where brass is not in direct contact with skin.

>>7305220
try to get your hands on metal polishing creams or micro meshes (sand paper on steroids) intended for finishing metal machinery pieces (like 3D printer or CNC) and then very gently "Write" on it with your preppy nibs. With a bit of luck your preppy will start to feel just as smooth as the montblanc.

This is another part i like about fountain pens: you can fine tune them to your liking. You can even tune the ink flow where you use thin sharp knife to deepen the ink channel in the plastic feed.

>>7305220
>montblanc slides slightly easier over the paper, but they are new so it'll probably change.
Use them regularly and they'll get smoother.
Preppys and kakunos are they best fountain pens for drawing/sketching below 200£$€, above that you have the first flexible nibs (pilot falcon pe) but drawing in site they're not practical because the nibs are too sensitive, and at home you're better with dip pens.

>>7305220 (me)
>>7305360
I just discovered that some Japanese nibs are thinner than euro nibs. The montblanc is an "f" in the platinum scale, so I guess it's normal for them to scratch the paper a bit more? Also, the MB is from the late 90's, so it was used a lot.
>>7305650
>at home, you're better with dip pens.
I'll buy a dip pen with the entire parafernalia at some point. I'm (slowly) doing the NMA "drawing foundations" plan, and the last signature is an entire course about inking by Miles Yoshida, and desu, watching him draw with the dip pen is hypnotic... but I'm not at a level where I could do the course properly; I still mess up measuring angles and proportions from time to time.

>>7306229
>so I guess it's normal for them to scratch the paper a bit more?
by "them" I mean the preppys.

>>7306229
>I still mess up measuring angles and proportions from time to time
everyone does

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>>7306487
I hear that Michelangelo stuck a compass in his eyes to gain über measuring power

A image being worth a thousand words...

>>7308387
that's just him being unaccustomed to seeing g*rmanic deformities

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>>7308399
>g*rmanic deformities
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/german-band-rammstein-accused

>>7306230
Even from the same brand no two fountain pens are usually identical, however.
Preppy 02 scratches.
Preppy 03 is smooth
Preppy 05 is very smooth.

Relative to a Euro nib, they are IMO just as smooth if not smoother when you get to that delicious Platinum sweet spot (except 02).

What'as a good cheap as fuck pen to start with if you've never drawn with pen before?

>>7312534
pentel color brush pen for dynamic line & fills, pilot pocket brush for line, micron for fineline, preppy/kakuno for fountain pen, pilot parallel for calligraphic chisel, tombow fudenosuke for flex marker, iro-utsushi dip pen and nib holders for autism


>CAPTCHA: MUTNT8

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>>7312534
just use whatever you used in school to write. that is the easiest option. once you deplete your school supplies, feel free to upgrade into some nice fountain pens or rollerballs refillable with actual ink.

>>7312534
Crow quill (hunt 102 is a popular option): cheap, versatile.

>>7313286
You need a couple more 2mm leadholders in that tool box.

>>7277595
I love inking art tools =)

>>7312534
Your question is so vague as to have no real correct answer to it. If you still want a proper answer, please describe how you'll be using it.

The best answer right now is whatever you find in a drawer.

What's a fountain pen/dip pen nib that has the same size as a 003 sakura micron?

>>7322657
Koh I Noor (or Staedtler/FC/Rotring) 00/.3mm

Is the Pumpkin Head Nib a meme

>>7322675
Let me give you a hint about what is a real meme.
Until you try it for yourself and do not find it useful, nothing is a meme.

So, no, it isn't a meme.

>>7322668
Anon, those are technical pens. Also there are finer lined technical pens. The most consistent IMO is a .25. But it's much fatter than a 003 Micron in line thickness.

>>7322657
Anon, the closest is a Platinum Preppy in 0.2, which is known as UEF (Ultra Extra Fine). However only when reverse writing. When you write in reverse, meaning flip it over so plastic side is facing you, it produces a very satisfying and very thin line comparable to an 003 Micron.

I think the closest in dip nibs is the mapping or Maru nib. However again, you have to reverse write, and it is not nearly as thin as the preppy reverse writing 0.2.

If you want flex, go Maru, if you want a consistent line, the Preppy is hard to beat and one of my favorites.

There are 1-2 other Jap makers that make UEF nibs, like Pilot and maybe Sailor, but I haven't used their pens and the preppy is both phenomenal quality nib-wise and dirt cheap. It's a must in every ink artists kit who want the thinnest reliable line.

Also very highly recommended is a Pilot G-TEC in 0.25, almost as thin as a 003 Micron, but much more durable tip.

>>7323744
My bad, the smallest Koh i Noor 6x0/.13 is the exact same width as the 003, mixed up the sizing code. There's a size between these in the full lineup, but below <.3 will obviously need very fluid fountain ink.
Also, they are fountain pens, just specialized to achieve the exact width line. The original stylo patent registers it as an improved tubular-nib fountain pen. The page for technical pens on Wiki refers to them as fountain pens.
>Patent US174,965 "Improvement in Fountain Pens"

>>7323774
My personal experience with technical pens below .25 is very bad, but I guess it would be much better with fountain pen ink, ie non-pigmented.
Also, my very reliable .25 Isographs produce a fatter line than .25, so despite being very very satisfying, it's too thick for my very thin-line stuff.
However the Pilot G-TEC in .25 is thinner than it due to the gel not bleeding. I wouldn't use any gel pen for templates or rulers, begause they tend to build up gunk, for that I'd use an Isograph. However for small details the G-TEC is hard to beat.

>Also, they are fountain pens, just specialized to achieve the exact width line. The original stylo patent registers it as an improved tubular-nib fountain pen. The page for technical pens on Wiki refers to them as fountain pens.
Damn, that's pretty interesting. Do you know if any such pen is in production today?

I think Platinum's nibs (and probably most Jap nibs overall) are perfect here though, since they have no discernible line variation, even under microscope.

>>7322657
too many variables, main one will be how much pressure you naturally use to draw with. ballpoint muscle memory of carving into paper to make a line is a pretty strong one to overcome.
ink will matter, the faster it comes off the pen the thicker a line.
paper will matter, if it soaks the ink in, the thicker a line.
imo, rather than drawing small, start drawing bigger and then reduce in post.

>>7323785
Oh yes definitely, try the smaller sizes with fp ink! I'm a fan of the proprietary Rotring black ink bottle & ultradraw, very nice to use even with my vtg Faber Castell TG 000/.18mm set of 9. I got an ultrasonic cleaner so that I can use whatever passable ink without worrying about clogging. I'd really recommend one if you're getting inconsistent lines unless they're just worn out pens. The Rotring ink is super quickdry for architectural/technical drawing, but the caveat is smaller sizes will clog faster. At that size though, any flowy fp ink should dry quickly.
And yeah! Think Rotring discontinued their lines unfortunately but a bunch are still made including the Koh-I-Noor (made by ChartPak now). I've enjoyed vintage sets more, but you can get new FC and Mars sets as well. Production for these pens is slowing to a halt since CAD for scaleable linework and easier maintained disposables like micron. I honestly haven't seen this nibtype on newly produced signature pens, but searches are clouded by vintage stylographs (much much cooler and fountain penny looking) and the Conklin Stylograph line which doesn't feature that nib. I've been saving for a unique old stylo like the red midget but splurged on a jewel tip FC TG set instead.

>>7323820
>I got an ultrasonic cleaner so that I can use whatever passable ink without worrying about clogging.
Anon, although I've no experience with ultrasonic cleaners, I heard that if left long they can damage plastic.
If you want to avoid having to use it, here's a cool tip I use to thoroughly clean my Faber's (I probably have the same one as you). It's with womens eyeliner brushes, after they're washed well of eyeliner, they fit perfectly and scrub the Fabers clean. Ultrasonic will have to wait since it's kind of expensive, and have no need ATM.
Yeah the vintage are always more solidly built.

I'm jelly over the jewel tip (I use the steel tip), I heard there's also a ceramic tip, but jewel is probably top tier.
Does the Jewel offer any noticable difference in feel from the steel tips? I heard they were longest lasting.

The problem with fp ink is that I prefer archival and water resistance. What do you generally use.
I once dicked around and tried Waterman Harmonious Green FP ink on my vintage Koh-i-Noor isograph. Not bad but the pen wants to be held upright which made it less fun to write with.

Overall I have to say the resonance of the Rotring .25 is the best feel of all my pens. But on the other hand the Rotring feels like the cheapest, and also apparently they have cracking issues.

>>7323820
>>7323993
Kind reminder that... you only need one basic pen to make masterpieces. Consuming demon's sit on your shoulders.

>>7324574
> demon sits on
alright I'm sure your brain could have figured it out, but given the vast amount of retardation in here, I'm sure some nigger would have been like
> stupid ESL nigger