Post portraits here, digital and trad both welcome as long as they are portraits.
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>>7327842>>7327845>>7327846Lovely work, love the use of colored pens. Though I'm cutios do you sketch in pencil first or do you draw with pens from the getgo
>>7328047pens from the get-go. forces me to live with my mistakes and improvise
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>>7326984Draw this owl much?
>>7328395oof self own
>>7328386post the reference?
>>7327842>>7327845>>7327846>>7328101>>7328102damn. why can’t i draw this well?
do it look good?
>>7328746konnichiwa, dude
during a boring lecture.supposed to be Eva green.
>>7328395it's not a tutorial, more of a "here's why blocking out values is important" reminder
>>7328561>>7328746>>7328872i like it
will be grinding faces again soon, this is my last (old) portrait, what should I work on? Some anon said hatching for volume, but I'm not sure how to resolve it.As for resources for the general, I think these artists need to be mentioned:Steve Huston, Nathan Fowkes, Loomis, Reilly, John Singer Sargent.>>7327845really great stuff, any suggestion of where to put hatching in my work?>>7328386the nose ridge looks really flat as if it is sinking into the skull>>7328561Face too big or hand too small, nice work.>>7328746good, the lower eyelids make me think he is kind of a psycho if thats your intention amazing.>>7328872cool
>>7328746>>7328759>konnichiwa, dude
>>7328880i'm no expert but the forms on her nose ridge and lips seem slightly off, maybe study skull forms? that's what i'm doing myself
Mike Thyson>>7327842>>7327845>>7327846>>7328101>>7328102These are all great. Wonderful use of color and pen >>7328386Good values and expression. Work on the head shape, neck muscles, and clothing forms >>7328746Looks very good, clean up those lines and strokes though>>7328872I like this style a lotttt, but clean up your lines. You can keep the sketchy look but also have cleaner lines so they look more professional intentionall>>7328880 Study the skull. The frontal bone (forehead) on your drawing is much shorter than the ref, and the hair is falling atop the head incorrectly because of her incorrectly proportioned skull.try to take a more fundamental approach to the cheeks to for example, all you did was draw lines for them but a sphere with lines following that form would have accomplished a lot more, plus you have to figure out what value best corresponds to red, probably something closer to black than what you’ve drawn, or more grey. I think her features are pretty good, except the lips.steve Huston described the lips as having 5 elements/shapes , 3 at the top, 2 at the bottom. Divide the lip into those simple shapes because it’ll be much easier to draw as opposed to drawing contours . Lastly, I’d say work on how to use appeal in toned paper. Those whites should really pop, like the highlights on her nose, lips, hair, and ears, and the whites of her eyes, if you emphasize those it’ll look good because toned paper is made for those highlights and darks to coexist in a beautiful way that places emphasis on the white of the highlight, so you have to use that to your advantage when using this type of rendering
>>7328880Thanks>>7328899yeah my lines are usually cleaner i just went in raw with the pen so i had to live with my mistakes (alot of them)
>>7328872Very interesting, I can tell it was her. BONUS for multiple views.also>ballpointyikes
>copy the skull shapes from anatomy for artists>nice for first try>now have to do it 3 million more times to internalize it>along with literally everything elseuh oh
>>7328872If you clean your shit up and get an actual paper and pen that isn't cheap fucking ballpoint you can go places.
>>7328896>Expert, but the shapes on her nose ridge and lips seem slightly off.Thanks, always expressing your opinion with just that makes me aware of things I didn't pay that much attention to.>>7328899Thanks for taking the time to be so precise, I have been working with écorchés for figure drawing this week and they have been really useful, but when it comes to the head are there muscles (or fat areas) that help characterize the shape? I'm thinking of the masseter, temporalis or risotorious?will focus on skulls then.
>>7328880>really great stuff, any suggestion of where to put hatching in my work?thank you. i apply hatching as an expression of shadow/contour/color. essentially i use my pen as a very skinny marker. i did a quick mockup of your initial reference but if were to have gone all the way i would have applied a lot more orange vertical lines to establish a base skin tone and then added more depending on where it felt appropriate. but take this with a grain of salt, i'm still learning how to apply new shit all the time.
>>7329032I can’t say much about the muscles, but those are honestly secondary. Thorough knowledge of the skull is how you make your portraits look consistent. Look at any stylized cartoon
>>7329171Didn’t finish this ,my bad. But look at any stylized cartoon and you’ll see that the skull is present even in a highly simplified form, even if muscles aren’t. Pic rel is an example. Once u get the skull you can exaggerate caricatures realistically by changing the skull in interesting ways and not just making the lips droopy or the eyes big, etc. Lots of value in studying the skull.
>>7328872Idk that looks more Like Eva Blue to me
>>7328970I curse you by drawing you as a basedjack
>>7329282*Basedjack
>>7329284Wtf my text keeps changing into based jack instead of woah jackFuckin janny
>>7329288Welcome to 4chan
>>7328563Because you only draw boxes and anime.
>>7329027ballpoint pen is just as good as any other implement. the key is knowing how to use it. Rembert Montald is one of the current greats and he draws stuff in ballpoint all the time!
A quick plaster study. Mistakes but who cares?>>7329447Emil Ferris is also a beast with ballpoint pen.
How the fuck do.my faces degrade within 3 daysDay one
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Do fictional characters count
>>7330064To me yes, Vergil?
>>7330069Yeah
>>7328880>>7329032Great work, buddy. The best resource for head anatomy I've found is Scott Eaton's Portraiture and Facial anatomy video course. It explains bones, muscles and fat pads, all crucial for what you want. I'm sure you can find it online (check the video general), if not hit me up and I'll try to share it for you.
>>7330173These?https://www.youtube.com/@cgdji/playlists
>>7330064hell no, and fuck you.but really, portraiture is about attempting to capture something about the human condition, not a fictional character. that’s not a portrait, that’s fan art. please don’t post in here again. not even to reply to this.
>>7330064If you don't want to trigger portrait sperg kun, you could always draw his model. But I think it counts.
>>7330300portraitnounpor·trait ˈpȯr-trət -ˌtrāt1 : pictureespecially : a pictorial representation of a person usually showing the face2 : a sculptured figure : bust3 : a graphic portrayal in words
>>7330064i love your art so muchh
>>7330300k>>7330552thanks ily
>>7330259>https://www.youtube.com/@cgdji/playlistsOh yeah, I didn't know they were available for free. Not sure that's the complete course but yeah, looks complete enough. Go for it, anon!
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how the fuck do I draw lips when i'm not going to fully render it because I suck dick at rendering by the way
>>7331153Keep it subtle and lines as soft as possible think of how the planes are turning.Also look at charcoal portraits by John Singer Sargent or Ramon Casas or other artists that mastered portraiture, look at their drawings, study their markmaking and copy their work.
>>7330064i'ma keep it real with you chief, i really don't think so. to me, a huge component of portraiture is accuracy coupled with your ability to observe and express nuance in someone's appearance. is that really possible with a fictional character? especially so when it comes to anime which routinely depicts people with stylized features?it's like asking to write a journalistic novel about a lucid dream that someone else had. but do what you do. weird internet people ruin everything eventually.
Feel like I ruined her face with the shading. How could I have done it better?
>>7331361Here's the reference pic
>>7331361there's a lot of detail and nuance that you're not capturing. for example, the model's nose is casting a shadow that falls over her philtrum (the groove between the bottom of the nose and the top of the lip) but you didn't accurately capture that in either version that you posted. the proportions and angle are also off. every little thing you leave out takes away from the portrait's effectiveness.
>>7331369I see... But what if i was just trying to get the face to look good even if it doesn't look the same as the reference? Of course, it wouldn't be a portrait anymore, but I'd be satisfied with it.
>>7331375if i were you i would ask myself what it is i'm really trying to accomplish. you're saying that you're just trying to get the face to look good, but what is "good"? what iii think is good might be different than what you consider good.when i look at the photograph and compare it to what you've drawn all mistakes and missing information are very obvious. there's tons of volume and shadow that you haven't captured, because you haven't trained your eye to look at those things, or there are several gaps in your understanding of how to apply shadow, or knowledge of the structure of the skull, or your ability to flatten an image in your mind and contemplate the spatial relationships between different landmarks on the face.you have a long way to go. i recommend you step away from a digital format, sit down with a pencil and paper and start knocking out as many portraits as possible with self-imposed time limits to really discover where the gaps in your understanding are. how much do you accomplish in three minutes? five? ten?
>>7329518>Mistakes but who caresyou should.the elongation is the most important one to fixanyway keep at it, you and everyone in this thread
>>7331912and also the way too small cranium (or oversized face)
>>7331843quick and dirty
>>7331153I feel you, I have a lot of trouble with lips :(
>>7331362Tbh I would use a diff picture, the photo is kind of ugly. If you want to make your drawing to look attractive use a conventionally attractive model
>>7331978i don't think it's a bad picture if you're looking for something that demonstrates contrast between light and shadow, but i don't think it would be a good photo for a beginner. the logo in the bottom right indicates that this photo is from a larger softcore porno set, so that's the point where i'm like "what are we really trying to accomplish here?" for someone learning portraiture i would want a straight-on head shot and focus more on getting proportions right than anything else.
>>7332029>the logo in the bottom right indicates that this photo is from a larger softcore porno setHAHAHA I never realized that was there when I downloaded the picture. But it's true. It's from a porn site. You ask about my goal. Well I'm currently trying to work on a manga. But my drawings lack texture and shading as I never worked with those things before. I picked that reference just to practice those things. My intention wasn't rely to do a portrait. Your piece is looking great, I'll stick around to see it finished and maybe learn from it
>>7331978She looks very pretty to me. You should see her naked.
where do I /beg/in drawing proper realistic portraits? everything I stumble upon is for anime and cartoon stuff, but I really like the mostly realistic style of the stuff in this thread.
>>7332134LOOMISOOMIS
>>7330757>>7330758i like these. you put far, far more effort into the hair than i do, that's for damn sure. if you're also a ballpoint pen aficionado i would try softly laying down a 'base layer' that you can add to as shadows intensify. for POC specifically this will include a little extra mental planning to identify the areas on the face where light is falling the strongest so that you leave those areas "blank". little easier to do with pencil or a white gel pen, depending on the kind of paper you're working on.
>>7328872Meg from Dead by Daylight
>>7332092this is where i'm going to stop. making hair look good takes time and i got things to be doing. i hope this has been instructive
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>>7332304>i hope this has been instructiveIt was. Thank you
Didn't draw the hair and ears because I haven't learned that yet (but still wanted to do a full face anyway).
>>7333096damn that resolution is fucking garbage.Here's the model already, gonna repost the drawing
>>7326984Drew a bunch of quick heads. How do you handle the looking up angles or that slightly off a full front one?
>>7333645i'm not the OP but i am this guy >>7329447and regardless of whether you're drawing heads from photos, a live model, or imagination, you'll need a strong understanding of the skull in perspective or 3d space. from looking at your drawings it looks like you're applying the Loomis for establishing curvature and landmarks, and that's a great start, but it doesn't look like you're really seeing the skull in perspective yet.i know that the Loomis method tells us that there's even distance from the hairline to the eyebrow to the bottom of the nose to the chin, but these distances get compressed the more extreme the angle above or below is.practice drawing skulls and boxes (haters will say that boxes are dumb, because the haters are dumb)if you're drawing from photos, it's especially important to flatten the image in your mind and triangulate the relationship of shapes and angles to each other to make sure that everything fits together the same as it does in the photo.draw this one until you get it right.
>>7333097>>7333667>start drawing this girl for figures>two other people start drawing/posting herwtf, hivemind
>>7333673i also happen to be the same person who shamed perverts in a "reference pack" thread and posted a zip of Rachel Bradley's paid content Expressions to stem the tide of softcore porno and challenged other artists to challenge themselves. i'm delighted to see that someone really took that to heart and downloaded the pack i provided, although it seems that they >>7333097 turned the original jpeg into greyscale to simplify the portraiture process.would Rachel be mad at me for doing this? maybe. would this post be Exhibit A if she ever found out who i was and decided to sue me? definitely. could i turn her into the patron saint of /ic/ over time and subtle machination? who knows.
>>7333667Oh foreshortening! you are right, I completely forgot it. Will practice this head later thanks for the crit and nice work with the pens.
>>7333685lads from these model which would you feel is the most valuable to use as a reference?A:https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/skull-downloadable-1a9db900738d44298b0bc59f68123393B:https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/skull-planes-2363b34481234eab996d6a5c3f7ee3faC:https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/human-skull-b0251e48e906418ebae34b7f811ca065D:https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/human-skull-model-plastic-017c6f4a760f40a0a03de8fae29b306b
>>7333684I also happen to be the same guy who posted that "dynamic sketch" thing, so it seems there are only like 7 people on this board who draw.Anyway, your pack was probably the best thing ever posted in a reference thread. If you got more like that (portraits and expressions), kindly do share, king.
>>7331369>>7331916>>7332029>>7332305As someone that finds your portraits very pleasing to the eye may I ask how did you acquire this particular style? What is your process and how would someone go about learning this?
Something I did quickly last night.
>>7336609thank you for the kind words. i’m not really sure how to address the idea of “style” because these drawing represent my level of knowledge and technical ability. essentially, i have put a lot of work into understanding anatomy, the human skull, light and shadow, and combine all of those things together to attempt an effective portrait. i use ballpoint pen because it forces me to live with mistakes and to prevent myself from getting overly concerned with detail. none of these sketches took me longer than 30 minutes or so in aggregate. were i to make a commissioned portrait of someone or make an important project, i would take the planning and execution far more seriously.
>>7332154Glad you like it anon. Black hair is really fun to draw thanks to variety in strokes so I couldn’t help but really detail it. I really like the idea of a base layer, and it’s something I’ll incorporate into my next piece, as I think I could do a lot of interesting things with it. Thanks for the advice!
>>7337449Really appreciate the response, I was thinking about drawing with pencils then trying to switch to colored pencils but full blown realism isn't really my aim. As mentioned before, your particular style encapsulate that extent of realism I seek but also creates this sense of portrait being drawn and not just "photocopied" which in my point of view stimulates viewer and draws his attention to details. Again great work, thanks.
>>7333667Whoops had forgotten to do this head, here's my attempt, will grind more boxes and try again
hey anyone got like a collection of references for portraiture? google seems largely unusable for images lately
I need tips to get better bros, I need to draw my comic before I inevitably die out of a stroke out of stress
>>7340630Draw from memory and master copies imo
>>7340630focus on proportion. If you can nail down the proportion you will get the likeness correct. Look at your Slippin' Jimmy for example. Do you think you got the proper proportions of him?
>>7338652A smorgasbord for youhttps://www.instagram.com/earthsworld/?hl=en
>>7340679mostly, eyes are too far apart and too low, I think
>>7340696Good, you see it. Next time map out the proportions first then draw them.
>>7328746>>7328759>>7328885beat me to it kek
Day 1 of the skulls saw some interesting proportions, construction methods and I'm realising that I need to tame the zygomatic and mastoid bones, too many muscles attach in those places, kinda like the iliac crest. will do more 3/4 tomorrow.>>7340630measure everything>>7338664Cool, it looks deformed without looking overworked, I like it.
>>7340681thank you but why are they all ugly
Done.https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:jhtqdh46uhwh36pdpxckzrns/post/3l756spnmj52q
>>7340826fun exercise, I think I'm placing the nasal aperture too low and that is distorting the jaw?
>>7337110>>7341787too angular and stylized to qualify as good portraiture, in my opinion. it almost appears as if they have been stretched or distorted in order to conceal errors or deficiencies in understanding or technique. let's see you try doing one where you dial back the gimmicks and focus down on accuracy.
>>7341902Thanks for criticism, I tend to actually draw things closer to what they actually look like first more or less which I don't really have a problem doing usually. After that I start to warp/rotate things after simply because I love doing it and it's really fun to do and looks cool to me. I'm not a big fan of making things look exactly like the reference i'm using personally and I just find it boring to do so maybe you're right my art may not belong here my bad.
>>7341955you could join us over on /alt/ :)>>7337449portrait anon, do you have any tips for getting better at portraits other than doing more portraits? do bargue plates help?
>>7341238something in the water
>>7341880you're drawing the skull on the surface of the skin and you don't know skull anatomy and generally you're being stupidfeel out the skull on your head and compare where you've put the landmarkseyesocket, teeth, mandible and zygomatic process are the biggest offenders I don't even know if you've actually looked at a skull, but you've certainly put zero critical thinking into assessing the drawing
>>7342052>portrait anon, do you have any tips for getting better at portraits other than doing more portraits? do bargue plates help?ask friends or family to pose for you and see how much you can get down in a specific timeframe. if there are figure drawing sessions in your locality, attend those and get a handle on getting your measurements down.i think i'm doing alright portrait-wise, but there's always more to learn. i have not used bargue plates but i think if you're drawing from photographs you're still developing the same observational skills, so long as you're not trying to achieve photorealism, which in my opinion is one of the worst things an artist can do for themselves.
Kinda old
>>7341880second try, now being more careful with the position of the nasal aperture and eye sockets, found some notes and using the canine is useful landmark for the curvature of the maxilla. Happy with the results, many things to improve.>>7342160snide comment disguised as criticism, sad, you can do better without taunting.>>7342900Really nice, the dark value outside her right nostril makes it look vertical instead of tilted.
>>7342995Push it in more, remove the volume of the hair, earhole in the skull is deeper than the earhole in the ear.
from Sunday
>>7343287Thanks anon really helpful, couldn't see past the hair, I'll move on to shaved/bald references for now, it would be easier that way.
does anyone have advice for proper proportion measurements?I have one of those proportional art dividers but it feels like it doesnt translate well from the ref on a computer screen to a smaller sketch book
>>7343665Proportional dividers are typically used to scale/transfer smaller references/drawings to larger surfaces (measure with small end, place with larger end). If you used it the other way, I don't see why you couldn't scale it down for a smaller sketchbook. Another option is using it as a regular divider, shown here:https://youtu.be/xM9kXTx2K3s?t=108Around 8 minutes she uses it to check a finished portrait but you can use it as you go or after a light block-in. I would suggest the latter so you exercise more of your own sense of proportion.
>>7342995>Really nice, the dark value outside her right nostril makes it look vertical instead of tilted.Youre right, thanks for poitning that out
working on this
>>7343679The angle on the face is wrong. You should draw a straight line from scalp to chin before laying out the details.
>>7343683like this?
>>7343683Doubt, m8.
>>7343686yes
>>7332305I love your stylethis is a portrait I did as my dad, it looks off but I'm getting better
>>7343703I think I see where it might be throwing the face off, I made the forehead too angled when it's straight up
>>7343679It's looking nice! Just check your nose and mouth, they're slightly too big. The bottom plane of the chin also looks slightly big.
>>7343711looks like kitboga
working on a portrait from a picture, the idea is to not copy the pic as is, but use it as a rough guide. I want to make a loose drawing, see what I can get out of it, find some sort of composition. Which one looks best? It's supposed to be a guy with a bandage on his head.
somehow don't have a lot of male heads saved
>>7343683>The angle on the face is wrongwhich angle? faces have lots of angles
>>7345090>intentionally ignoring the detailed explanation after that sentencengmi you nodraw permabeg troll faggot
>>7333724B and C are good. I especially like how the plane changes are emphasized in B. A is a bit bumpy and the lighting keeps moving around, and D lacks a distinct brow ridge (which is fine for drawing females, not so much for general use).
I have to have this finished by tomorrow morning, I'm so fucked, tips needed to speed this up
>>7345594notice the subtle values in the digastric and shoulders, lower a bit the darkness of the background enough to make the hair readable in the thumbnail
i spent a long time painting a portrait yesterday and looking at it now notice all the mistakes but it helped me determine areas i need to work on, primarily that i make the side of the face way too wide and eyes look like a flat plane. i also did it digitally i imagine if i painted it trad it would have taken 2x as long
stylized portraits welcome?
>>7345594You made the nose and chin way too sharp. They look a bit more curved.
>>7332305not portraiture, not figure drawing, but a secret third thing
>>7345903if you got a portrait, we got space. and yours looks nice as well, so all the better.
>>7346905love the way you work the terminator
>>7346928thanks big dawg
>>7326984bit of a practice portrait just fuckin around with new brushes
>>7345594Why the deadline?
This is supposed to be Carl Jung
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Anybody have resources for diff skull sizes? I'm having trouble understanding how high/pronounced vs low/flat cheekbones look on the skull
wip
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slowly getting more accurate>>7349761top tier. rendering such subtle tones without that coreshadow terminator thing takes so much skill
