>>7331109
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7331110
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7331111
Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition 22 "Seized With Rage":
https://www.manga-audition.com/

Global Comics Awards 2024:
https://en.mangadraft.com/contests/global-comic-awards-2024.en

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

Jump's Universal Manga Contest:
https://medibang.com/contest/jumpuniversal/entry/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

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A full page every 2 days sounds horrible as a reader, but impossible as an artist.
That's like a page every 8 hours (I have a dayjob)
Holy fuck I need to get faster

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scanning drawings and editing later in CSP

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>>7331109
I'm kinda tired of trying to improoove. Should I move on with my manga even if my art is shit? I could die in a car crash one day without ever finishing it because I was too busy trying to get my art to look pro. Pic unrelated.

>>7331366
Oh it's the blowjob girl

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I might be back into the rhythm again after a few rocky weeks.

>>7331373
Yes, draw your comic. You'll improve as you go if you really try. Just keep in mind that it's a very gradual process, you won't notice a jump between pages or even consecutive chapters.

>>7331385
Damn! you have a good eye :) I am remaking this one...

>>7331385
Fucking kek

>>7331385
/mmg/ is reaching levels of hyper-focused autism not thought previously possible, kek. We will all make it lads.

>>7331386
先輩、やっと戻りましたね!君の絵を見たとき、やる気が湧いてきます!

>>7331373
I mean, don't expect anyone to read it, but make it for you. Drawing, paneling, tones, etc the more you do the better you will get. Just look at it as practice though, don't look for an audience.

>>7331386
When do they upgrade your porn license and let you start drawing NTR?

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>>7331373
Just make the story you want to tell! My art is bad, yet I still have a tiny audience that reaches out to me. Looking back at my old pages, I really really hate them and am tempted to redraw it all. But you'll get better and better slowly

>>7331533
>ntr
That's not true degeneracy. Wake me up when he gets upgraded to consensual handholding and the characters talk about wanting to start a family.

>>7331109
What are the standard input (the size you draw at) and output (the size readers will see) sizes for a web manga page?
I tried tones for the first time the other day but I kept getting ugly optical illusion patterns instead of an uniform shade

>>7331516
>don't look for an audience
Building an audience is kinda the whole point of it though.

>>7331533
I could have done that for the beginning, just don't wanna.

>>7331752
>output (the size readers will see) sizes for a web manga page
That depends completely on the site you are trying to host on. Some places like Webtoons are rather strict (like with everything else amirite), whereas other sites are more lenient in terms of output size.

>ugly optical illusion patterns instead of an uniform shade
You are talking about moiré patterns. See the following: https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/6099

>>7331752
The standard size should reflect real paper sizes, whether that's 8x11 inches (copy paper), or 10x14 (professional B4 sized) You want to work in this large size and compress the final product. I compress the final image around 20%, and then shrink it further to fit within the guidelines of any site's demands.

You will probably have to experiment a little with compression % but it seems (based on what another anon said) usually 20-25% is the sweet spot.

>>7331839
not him, but that doesn't sound right
there was a meme about downscaling in 25% steps (ie you'd downscale to 75%, then downscale that to 75% etc until you get to where you wanted to be), but that was like 20 years ago
in general I think you want to merge whole pixels as much as possible, ie make 2 pixels into one, 4 into one, etc

>>7331773
Not when you're at this prebeg level of art it isn't.
I mean, that's just my opinion, but if you're trying to get an audience when you're doing as much symbol drawing as a 5th grader, I say don't look for an audience.
And I'm not trying to be rude or anything here, I'm just saying be real: Either get better, or have some amazing story (and tell it well) that people wont care about the art, but in that case, why even make it a manga?

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This 3/4(?) angle takes me more than double the time than anything else, even if there is less detail.
Anyone have any tips of these kind of shots?

>>7331813
>>7331839
Thank you!

>>7331866
I'm also saying this with the caveat that I use real tones and not digital dot tones, so that's why you need to experiment with your own compression/downscaling methods since they don't act the same squashed down.
That being said 20% is not a bad jumping off point for trying to find that sweet spot, I haven't had awful results even when I do rarely use digitones.

>>7331868
>Either get better, or have some amazing story (and tell it well) that people wont care about the art, but in that case, why even make it a manga?
Which was the situation OPM was in originally (although here the story was enjoyable, not amazing, don't get me wrong). You could argue that certain types of jokes need a visual component otherwise it's simply too hard for the reader to get. In OPM's case it worked.

>>7331980
Right, but ONE was contacted by Murata, who had a near death experience and decided he wanted to draw OPM.

How many times has that ever happened...ever? A top tier artist has some life altering experience and decides he needs to contact a prebeg webcomic artist and wants to work with him?

Anyway, if the work really needs a visual medium, write a screenplay. There are way more awful comedies that get picked up and made than there are manga artists who reach out to non-jap webcomic artists and want to draw thier work for them.

>>7332044
>Murata, who had a near death experience and decided he wanted to draw OPM
I need to hear more about this, lol.

>>7332062
Apparently he had a bad case of gastroenteritis, and took a turn for the worse.

But I may have been wrong about that being the inspo, because it seems he wanted to draw OPM for a while, but it wasn't until he thought he might just up and die that he reached out personally to make the offer.

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>>7331868
If you're talking about the pic I posted, that is an old piece. I've gotten better. Not good enough of course, but I'm still trying. I could post my work, but I just know you'll say I'm still years away from even being int. And I'm already jaded over all the criticism I've gotten lately... don't feel like hearing anymore of it. I know I shouldn't expect to get good enough in a month or two, but I can't help it.

>>7332062
>>7332068
iirc he was having a midlife crisis or something and the hospital scare was the tipping point, so he pulled some strings with an editor in chief to publish opm
people keep bringing up opm as proof that art doesn't matter, but one still needed an established artist to not just redraw his comic, but personally use industry connections to publish it

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>>7332089
Aren't you mouse anon? If so, then the criticism you got is less about your art, and more about HOW are you're going about it. And it's 100% valid.

If you aren't that anon, then just keep up the grind. I've been drawing for most of my life, and I'm still beg.
I only really got comfortable enough to make a comic after grinding loomis for about 4 months.

>>7331893
If you arent using refferences all you can do is use boxes and practice til you get good. Best way I can think to hack it are 3D models.

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>>7332117
Left "tail" of first speech bubble is thicker than the others. What about using the scream bubble? So you don't need to point all the people talking the same thing.
>only really got comfortable enough to make a comic after grinding loomis for about 4 months.
For someone who never did a comic before you are pretty good at it btw.

>>7332117
Is there a reason it's called Murder Burger? Besides the cows necessarily having to get turned into beef, I mean

>>7332117
>Aren't you mouse anon?
How the fuck can you guys tell? The criticism I'm talking about is not about the mouse thing, it's actually about my art. I don't have any problem with criticism, is just that I got overwhelmed by too much of it. I'm the one who asked for it though, so it's my own fault heh. I clearly set my hopes too high. I think I'll take a break from my main manga and start a "practice manga" instead. Something that won't make me feel so pressured. I'll just try to take it easy from now on...

>>7332128
Yeah I dont have references but I didn't even think to use boxes for the characters, I think that would save time thanks.
>>7332133
There was a great burger joint here in the bay called Murder Burger, and I always liked the name.
They changed their name to Redrum Burger, and I think shut down after like 40 years, so I thought I would ref it.
>>7332131
Ah, good idea about the scream bubble, thank you!
>you are pretty good at it btw
Thanks, I took the criticism I got here to heart when I posted my prologue. This degenerate site surprisingly honest

>>7332136
Anyone who posts their art more than 3 times we can recognize. There aren't that many of us here anyway.
As for your art, in my opinion it's not really fair criticism....yet, although you are obviously beg.
It's hard to get a true gauge on you when you refuse to use to right tools for the job. It would like me watching you try to hit a football with a hockey stick, then explaining how bad at baseball you are.
"Practice manga" is fine, but (and this will be the last time I address this) you better do with with a freaking pen and paper.
The longer you keep a bad habit going, the harder it's going to be to stop.

>>7332152
Many people told me it was stupid to expect to become int and get an audience right on my first manga. I insisted on it until I saw for myself that they were right. The same will happen about using a mouse. I just have to try every alternative before changing my strategy. It's how I operate.

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>>7332096
ngl ONE genuinely had good understanding of perspective/foreshortening and paneling from the start, way better than most artists (mogs me as well)

>>7332136
>How the fuck can you guys tell?
It looks like it was drawn with a mouse. There's no line width variation, and your control of the line is fucked up in a very specific way.
>I don't have any problem with criticism, is just that I got overwhelmed by too much of it.
Make a manga, post it, ask for criticism. I don't mean a single page of manga, I mean an entire chapter of whatever it is you're doing. Asking for criticism is fine but it's extremely important that you encounter and come up with your own solutions to problems first, so you can understand my you might want to use alternatives. Also, it's pointless to ask for or give you criticism until you've reached a certain level of familiarity and dexterity with the task. You won't be able to implement the feedback.

>>7332199
Many such cases, haha.

>>7332215
>it's pointless to ask for or give you criticism until you've reached a certain level of familiarity and dexterity with the task. You won't be able to implement the feedback.
Yeah... I'm starting to realize that now...

>>7332210
the panelling is unironically better than the manga

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>>7332199
Stop using gay words like "beg" and "int" and learn to enjoy drawing. Progress will come naturally as you draw and study. You're just going to have to embarrass yourself a couple times before you produce something halfway decent, so learn to stop caring and just draw for love of the medium. And if you don't love comics then why are you even here?

>>7332210
Where can I find the original? I think it could be motivating to read it

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>>7332241
google One Punch Man Webcomic cubari

>>7332222
his expressions are also great

>>7332240
Amazing progress.
>learn to stop caring and just draw for love of the medium
I might have just reached this point of enlightenment today. I really believed I could rush things and get good in a year or so. But now I that I see the futility of it... I just don't care that much anymore.

>>7332243
Thanks. I'll read it

>>7332240
> then why are you even here?
The money and the bitches! Duh!

>>7332247
>The money and the bitches! Duh!
This is the wrong place. All you may gain are back injuries and a heart attack.

>>7332249
Tomato, tomatoes

>>7332199
>become int
I wouldn't put too much stock into comparative labels like /beg/, /int/, /pro/, etc that /ic/ likes to throw around. Not because there aren't skill levels, but because there is an infinite amount of crabs that will look for any excuse to call somebody a /beg/, wtf are you doing thinking you could draw, quit drawing now, you'll never make a comic, etc. etc. etc. Alternate universe Kim Jung Gi could fucking draw for them and they'd call him a /beg/ and that he needs more fundies. It's ridiculous. At least /mmg/ generally avoids pointless labels and we just talk about how to make a comic better based on actual comic-making criteria.

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'll give it a shot.
Do you ever feel lost at what to create? Whenever I sit down to finally start to start my comic, I just get lost in my thought.
What message do I want tell? Sometimes I like to explore deeper topics, but then I feel like I don't have enough knowledge (life experience) to do so, like I'm not smart enough. The idea of exploring questions and my thoughts while drawing while not having the answers just feel like I would waste the time of the reader. What's the goal of my characters? What's the goal of life? Why are we here? I'll just fall into these thought patterns that snowballs.
How do you keep yourself grounded I guess while planing out a story?

>>7332429
Who, what, when, where, why, and how. Beginning. Middle, and End. This is basic stuff so it confuses me how often I see it fall by the wayside. If you don't have a main character that's interesting or intriguing it will be hard to sell people on any other part of the story.

>>7332429
I took a lot of film making courses in college, screenplay, etc. So I kinda just follow that and storyboard it out. Just act like it's a movie, and if it's taking to long? Shorten it.
Berserk takes 1 page to learn that Guts is hunting monsters, there are monsters, and he is good at killing said monsters. Brevity is your friend.

>>7332210
He’s drawn a lot of chapters, but his drawing is still bad. I’m afraid of ending up like him in terms of drawing, that no matter how much I draw, my style won’t improve.

>>7332631
I wouldn't exactly say ONE has stellar artwork, but like his work on Mob Psycho 100 was way better than what he was doing in OPM. No matter how we want to slice it, OPM was literal chicken scratches. Its really the story, comedy, and paneling that made it stand out. And even at that, it probably would have been relegated to a pretty fair niche were it not for Murata.

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Posting posting.

https://wingsofdaera.com/
https://wingsofdaera.cfw.me/

Got 12 pages to finish the chapter but I forgot my tablet, a total pain. Guess I need a break anyways.

Dunno if Altarusia anon is here but loving the updates!

>>7332429
>Sometimes I like to explore deeper topics, but then I feel like I don't have enough knowledge (life experience) to do so, like I'm not smart enough
You have more experience living your life than anyone else, anon. Everyone has their own experiences to relay to others, even if you've sat in your room all day and never talked to anyone else that's something you can make a story about. When was the last time you cried? Or laughed? Was anyone there for you, or with you? Did you want to be left alone? Even the question you're having now, "do I have anything to say?" is something to say, and something billions of people relate to.

I would just say that you should interact with more movies, tv shows, books, etc, and ask yourself along the way "what does this mean?" and "how does this make me feel?". Let yourself think about it for some time, and then go back and try explaining it to yourself, and consider how your story might benefit from adding some things you enjoyed, or maybe you're noticing that the movie you fucking hated all the way though had some noticeable similarities to your own pet project that you're now aware enough to clean up.

>>7332745
>I forgot my tablet
?????

>>7332745
Are you in Florida?

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A quick 3P comic of Armored Core. First time drawing mecha stuff.
Testing to see how fast I can get decent looking pages done.
The action is that the first mecha pulls out a fan to blow away the bubbles the sharper one shot out, not sure if that shows with the third page

>>7332647
MP100 is mostly drawn by assistants, ONE has said as much in one of the omakes. He essentially just writes and draws the drafts.
>>7332429
>Do you ever feel lost at what to create?
I almost have too many ideas and not enough time to finish them
>Whenever I sit down to finally start to start my comic, I just get lost in my thought.
At the point of sitting at my tablet to draw, I have EVERYTHING written. The scenes, the actions, the dialogue. I use the downtime at work/commutes to think and edit my script to maximize the time I have my pen down.
I DO make changes as I draw stuff out to make it match better, or if I come up with a cooler/faster/easier pose.. But the story is written out so I don't have to think about it.

I kinda get what you mean from a different angle though. I read stuff like YKK and Houseki no Kuni and wonder if I'll ever be able to write something so personally touching and moving... But that's for future me to worry about

>>7333078
Oh damn, some mechanization in /mmg/! Looking nice so far dude. The rough seems clear enough to me on my end.

>>7332745
>Dunno if Altarusia anon is here but loving the updates!
Always here. Glad you like it. Btw is the train arc over? I was planning to reread the whole thing.

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>>7333177
Nope! I got twelve pages to go. Then that's a whole first arc done. I'll take a bit of a break before starting the next one. Should be done before the year ends I hope.

>>7333051
>>7333030
I draw at work, no details but I tend to have a lot of free time, I forgot my tablet home.

>>7332429
I lose motivation and get lost when I'm at the part of the story where its just people talking or going to the next location. It feels so boring and there's no reason for anyone to read this and be interested, so its hard to make myself spend dozens of hours on it.

>>7333511
It's ironic that you say this because Otoyomegatari is filled with virtually nothing but people talking or going to places and it's one of the most detailed mangas ever made, lmao. I wish I had that lady's art drive.

How do you guys feel about freehand perspective? How common is it in manga? Of course I mean if it's clearly drawn by someone who understands perspective and not just winging it.

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>>7333540
I just wing it. I hate perspective.
And anatomy for that matter. Perspective and anatomy are too hard for me.

>>7331386
Dear Pornanon, I managed to get an used screenless tablet and CSP. May I ask you how high should the stabilizer in the brush setting should be to have beatiful clean linework?

So far it in my testing I am getting shaking lines like if I had parkinson

Thanks

>>7333576
Just use whatever you need to draw how you want. When I drew on a screenless I would draw in quick flicks of my wrist/elbow, so I think I turned the stabilizer off or way down so I wouldn't become dependent on it.
Even now I mostly build up lines with multiple strokes despite not needing to. It just looks nicer in print.

>>7333576
not him but there isa learning curve with using a tablet. You'll get used to it eventually. Keep stabilizer as low as possible or off, draw at a larger size +zoom out while drawing, and you'll get smoother lines. Also make sure you are comfortable, dont make it so you have to push hard to get your line, it should be light pressure.

>>7333576
Not pornanon, but as others have said it's a learning curve. I went from trad to digital and the first month or so felt like I was trying to have my hand learn how to ice skate or something. Either jitters or just sliding all over the place. You get used to it and learn to control your movements with time.

>>7333582
thanks!

>>7333511
Then redo the scene and make it fun. You said yourself that there's no reason for anyone to read it, so what benefit is there to including it, drawing it is just a waste of energy. Just base scenes on what you feel like drawing, it's what I do.

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>>7332429
>>7333511
I basically developed this method to work with. I realized that, to create a webcomic, I should think in terms of short stories, even though I wanted to do longer series. But I didn’t have the patience or time for that. Every time I tried, I ended up feeling the same frustrations you're experiencing now. I also realized that the vast majority of people don't read webcomics, and if they do, they lose interest quickly. So, I came up with this shart(Im still a nobody but I hope it can help lol) Sorry for my english btw.
Let's use it to create a quick story:
>Chapter 1: My name is Pedro Silva and I live in a favela
>Chapter 2: I can't go to school because there is a gang war happening right now, but if I dont go mom will yell at me
>Chapter 3: *Pedro had to fight a drug dealer and matrix the bullets*
>Chapter 4: *Pedro finds out the reason for the war is because the One Piece is buried in his favela
>Chapter 5: Pedro was able to find a way to go to school and he finds a map to the One Piece location
>Chapter 6: Pedro is at school and in the favela the anti nigger army is searching for the Map

>>7333665
If I don't know what the MCs goal is in the first chapter, then don't expect me to read anymore.

Also, don't forget to have a good "all is lost" moment.
Also
>anti nigger army
Id read this

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Between getting a serialization by Japanese manga publisher as a third world foreigner and becoming a profitable crypto trader, which one is less impossible?

>>7333782
both are a pipe dream, but only one of them fills you with an sense of enormous wellbeing

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Angry wagie boi

>>7333200
>your shoulder muscles are torn
if her "shoulder muscles were torn", she'd be sobbing in the dirt, to say nothing of using her arms
you got to keep some believability, that's on the level of saying you can sprint while kneecapped

>>7333906
some people really have no idea how debilitating pain is

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Never again spreads (except in the next chapter, but that's far away). Should've used a ruler from the beginning among many other things.

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>>7333906
>>7333915
Her pain tolerance is insane, this will remain consistent in comic and its a trait of only hers that will play numerous times in the story. Tempted to bullshit it being because of her brain being affected from the scar on her head. I understand why it's unrealistic, guess is like in HxH when Hisoka loses his arm and calmly talks with the stump instead of shrieking on the ground like any normal person. It looks cool and that's it.

I agree however I should depict the arm hanging lose, might revisit that.

>>7333977
it's not even about pain tolerance, it's basic biology
losing limbs is different, there are many records of soldiers losing arms and keeping fighting, it's shock, same with how people don't realize they're stabbed before feeling the wetness spreading
that's why ribs are passable while it still being clearly fantastical that she's gonna fight like that
I'm not gonna insist or anything, but this is the kind of thing that leaves a negative impression and removes verisimilitude and immersion from a work fiction, it's amateurish and shows lack of interest

>>7333987
I see, if you hit me with such a line, I will rewrite that!

>>7333990
by this I mean I am thinking of my comic 24/7 and is the greatest interest of my life, I am certain many here can relate, to give such an impression is horrifying. I'll see how I can adjust the line to something more believable.

>>7333990
>>7333992
I mean, I'm assuming you're going for something grounded, it's probably fine if the shtick is asspulls (baki, ttgl, etc), I'm going by that one page, so grain of salt etc
like if you saw a page about a racecar driver's engine exploding and he just floors the pedal and keeps going because "he can do it", you'd think it's silly, but it could be a story about guys being faster by lowering weight by shaving off their tires or something, so the readers want that kind of stuff

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>>7333993
It's not as crazy as Baki no, it's mean to be GENERALLY grounded but she will pull many feats requiring insane pain tolerance so for me showing her all hurt yet still willing to fight was the point (she even wins the following battle). I admit I have probably not investigated further how destroying a torn muscle is, as I said I saw it in a similar fashion to the anime cut limb trope where continuing to operate without wincing shows how badass the character is. The head injury thing was just an amusing bullshit justification that came to mind for it. I can try to tone it down and saying "hurt shoulder", its balancing whether I want it to feel unrealistic and cool or realistic and believable.

What I did knew for sure is that I wanted to revise it and leave her arm hanging on the next scenes, which I do not do. But thats one of many revisions I want to make as soon as I complete the arc, same with a more cohesive approach to clothing in the setting for background characters.

>>7334001
Page is unrelated to my blablablaing, that happens before, just wanted to post something comic related.

Either way I appreciate the feedback.

>>7333987
/mmg/ truly is the king of nitpicking

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>>7334024
nta, but I can kind of see why.
This is really the only general where continuity is a thing, so I think the people here tend to notice pointless things.
I'd take it as a sign people are invested in what you are doing.

>>7333665
Your chapter 1 and 2 need to be merged together. Your characters must have a goal to work towards in the very first chapter, the sooner the better. It doesn't matter if the goal itself is relatively small or the stakes aren't high, it still needs to be there. Storytelling isn't like a sandbox videogame where you just meander around for no reason.

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>>7333917
I would make the lineart around the foreground a bit thicker, otherwise it looks really nice!

>>7334088
>these aren't my glasses

>>7333735
>>7334087
I wasn't very clear about the first two chapters overall, but the solid goal refers to the arc's goal, not the overarching goal of the main characters. Of course, in the first chapter, you introduce the main character's goal, but the second chapter marks the first real call to action. For example, Pedro's goal is to go to school, but the first chapter ends with a cliffhanger with war breaking out. In the second chapter, he remembers a secret route he can take, and that’s when the adventure truly begins.

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Back on my schizo storyboards
This is just in taste preference but do you prever new 2 pages composition wise or feels whatever
Or old ones
I'll post first 2 new and try and help guide your eyes just in case
First page evil alien niggas attack good ones
One runs with injured one (kid) on it's back while runnin injured and bombs are droppin on them too and makes them fall
Bad guy gets out of flames and we get close up on his eyes that transitions into the page two which is basically full spread of that reflection in eye

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>>7334150

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>>7334152
For comparison
Original 2 pages

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>>7334153
Going back to my storyboarding bullshit
I think i may have too high ambitions for a first comic which may explain why im so slow at it

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>>7334150
You're storyboards are pretty plane jane. Mind you, I'm just an amateur, but maybe break some panels

>>7334155
Oh they do get better.
Nevermind this >>7334162

>>7334162
You're right
Mind if i use this?
Idk why but it's like im afraid subconciously to not fuck shit up and keep it same-y

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>>7334177
How about this
Tried breakin em down more with popping outta panels

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>>7334186
Soon to reach 20th page

>>7334177
of course
>>7334186
Yeah the mace and head sticking out look great

>>7334024
that's not nitpicking

I agree with >>7334204 anon, having a character pop out of a panel like that at times is nice and gives the whole page a more dynamic feel and flow.

>>7333735
>If I don't know what the MCs goal is in the first chapter, then don't expect me to read anymore.
>>7334087
>Your characters must have a goal to work towards in the very first chapter

You're really hung up on this, aren't you? It is pretty rare for the end goal to be outright stated in chapter 1. First chapter is most used to just set things into motion. Manga especially can often meander a bit in the first couple chapters to establish characters and setting with a general idea of the premise.

I guess this might be more true if we're talking about a short story that's only a few chapters or something, but many manga are of the "we're making this up as we go along) so the goals from chapter 1 are often different from the goals of chapter 50, and chapter 200, etc.

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>>7331109
Is it worth it

>>7334241
Two different anons, but as one of them, yeah it's basic storytelling 101.
This doesn't apply to everything of course, but unless you a talented writer, I wouldn't recommend straying far from this path.
Yes, goals can change from chapter 1 to chapter 256, but does that mean you shouldn't have a goal in chapter 1?
>First chapter is most used to just set things into motion.
Please elaborate, because the goals are usually set it motion here

>>7334241
not them, but I can't actually think of a manga where the mc's goals aren't established in the first chapter
they can change or deepen as it goes on, but what manga doesn't give the mc a goal right off the bat?

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>>7334323
I tried to think of one, and the only one that came close is Dolly Kill Kill, but then I realized his goals kinda didn't change, despite losing everyone in the first chapter
>wants to save his senpai
>all his friends die
>gives up and wants to die himself
>finds out his senpai actually isn't dead
>wants to save his senpai again
I guess it takes a few chapters for his main goal to resurface, but it it was still his goal from chapter 1

>>7334389
Why'd you have to remind me about that slop. The only thing I can remember vividly from that manga is the guy summoning a big ball of Ebola.

>>7334459
The story was pretty stupid
But I'd be lying if I said the doll design wasn't cute af

>>7334488
I feel like that's the hallmark of any modern shonen manga. A handful of cool designs paired with the corniest dialogue you've ever read.

>>7334504
>A handful of cool designs paired with the corniest dialogue you've ever read.
Cant argue with you there

>>7334389
brought tears to my eyes...

>>7334389
>eyes, mouth and ears getting comically big as the story progresses

>>7334504
>of any modern shonen manga
Shounen manga, period. The exceptions are the ones that people remember, but the majority has always been this. Actually in earlier days of Jump you didn't even really have cool designs, just recycled stuff from other authors.

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My comic/Manga, whatever the fuck is now also available in Global Comix fully free
In case you wanna check it out.
The best way to read it is on PC with double page setup, though.
https://globalcomix.com/c/life-drawings-1/chapters/en/1/35

>>7334977
We doing a mommy daughter thing here?

>>7334986
Mommy daughter daughter thing yes.

>>7334977
>>7334986
>>7334988
Oh wow it's okonomiyaki.

>>7334988
So is the plan to just cycle through vanilla fetishes or what? I thought porn people were supposed to carve out a niche.

>>7335151
They're all harem stories, just different scenarios. I'm not intentionally targeting fetishes, just picking from the ideas I came up with for stories that could be hot.
The idea this story came from was just a picture in my head of a protagonist getting a blowjob from a widow in front of the butsudan of her late husband. I expanded that to work as a harem story, so the daughters are involved and now there's many more elements at play here that make the original idea almost a footnote. That's how the stories have come to be so far, just a seed of an idea that turn into something else when I expand on the idea. The gyaru one wasn't even originally gyaru, it was just "LAN party turns into harem sex" and turning that into a story with characters meant molding the scenario into something that follows a logical progression. Gyaru just made sense for the scenario. It's a similar thing here too, but I won't spoil it.

>>7334389
Arugably JJK, because the goal established in ch1 or ch2 is dropped a few chapters after

>>7334389
>>7335184
He's saying he can't think of a series where the protagonist does not have a goal. Any goal. Regardless of whether or not it changes later.
He's right, I also can't think of even a single series where the protagonist does not have anything he's trying to achieve or attain in the first chapter.

>>7335189
>I also can't think of even a single series where the protagonist does not have anything he's trying to achieve or attain in the first chapter.
Same. If there is nothing that the protagonist wants to go after as a goal, no matter how small or trite or stupid it is, then there is no point to having a story. Might as well have the character stare at paint dry for 8 hours.

Guys, is there a book that teaches about the style or language of comics? Like what lines to draw for movement or gesture. What patterns or stars to draw for getting stun.

>>7335442
Yeah. It's called reading some comics so you see the most common kinds of symbols used.

>>7335442
"Understanding Comics"
it's in the OP

>>7335442
Basically >>7335526
Copy your favorite artists, use the same panels they do. You'll start to learn how it all works eventually

>>7335157
>Husband's ghost sitting in the cuck chair.

I thought you said you weren't doing ntr?

>>7335854
You can only stare into the abyss for so long.
Partially why I refuse to draw coom, I don't know where it will take me.

>>7335860
I am starting to tinker with the idea of drawing my own NSFW art of my characters, but only of them and only in a way it makes sense based on the comic. Feel that's enough of a creative "leash" to not go unhinged. If I do draw it I will of course release it under a separate account.

>protagonist getting a blowjob from a widow in front of the butsudan of her late husband
Rude! RUDE! Yeah, I'd read it.

>>7335879
I could maybe, MAYBE make an excuse with my own characters, kind of like Miura did in berserk with Guts/Casca. But then I think
>what would this add? What does anyone gain?
Then I lose interest

>>7335854
You'll find out.

>>7335888
Nice trips. When you say you ask yourself what would the porn add, are you talking about hypothetical NSFW drawings within the comic itself or in isolation? If its in the comic and you're serious about it, then yeah it might not make the cut depending on what the plot demands. But if it's a separate side comic or just a single pic, then who cares - it doesn't need to justify its own existence.

>>7335879
I'm trying to think of who the funniest anon to accredit this post to would be. I'm thinking the comic with the bear in the sailor hat.

>>7336028
Oh my God please let it be him.

Although >>7334088
would also be a hoot

>>7336028
>>7336045
Natural choices for NSFW: any anon drawing a manga with girls in it (Altarusia, AECAST, Oi!/Cosmic Crush, Daera, etc etc etc)

Possibly TOO natural a choice: Pornanon, that other Aussie anon doing the manga of that girl in France living with the boss/chef

Hilarious choices: Bear with sailor hat anon, Moon is a Liver anon (>>7334088), that anon that draws the buff guy with a weird head and allegedly a shriveled dick (something steel...?), that anon drawing Armored Core

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I tried drawing the interior of a castle and some lights to get some practice. I think I exaggerated Too much in the hatching lol

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>>7336166
Some thoughts altarusia anon:
- There's nothing wrong with doing a lot of hatchwork, some artists do nothing but go ham on hatching. But if you're interesting in saving yourself some time, you can simply do hatching/detailing only where you need to and then let shading via tones handle the rest of the heavy lifting. If you look at the picture I've got here, you'll see that the bricks on the right side are actually pretty simple. Only the darkest parts of the bricks are hatched. Just food for thought.
- The right wall was a little bit confusing for me at first. I wasn't exactly sure if it was part of the same room, a stand-alone wall, or what, for a second.
- I like the light work you've done, especially with the foreground candle. Very clever.
- Your main girl is cute as always.

Overall, cool panel man.

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>>7336174
This would be much better. I already want to change a bit my style and use less hatching and more black and white tones like Death Disco.

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>>7336199
somethin like this

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>>7336108
>no mention
I think I should be grateful, because I drawing them naked for character references was almost too much for my wittle heart
Porn/cowboy anon could do them cowboys, go full fujo

Cowboy anon should make his next work the mc fucking the bitches dressed as a cowboy

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has anything ever featured a character that has some kind of drug addiction and it plays a role in the plot? not only just here but in general
>t. writing a comic about a band in the mid 90s, has no idea how to write about drugs without looking like a jackass or going “le drugs are bad”

>>7336337
Yeah, I'm working on one right now. I haven't posted anything from it yet, but it's a dark comedy that shows the highs (parties, social events, music, etc) and lows (depression, hangovers, overdoses, death) of drugs use, but never glorifies them.
Watch some movies if you want some help seeing how they can be portrayed. Trainspotting, Spun, The Salton Sea, all great movies that revolve around junkies

>>7336368
I completely forgot about movies like Trainspotting, heard of it but never watched it
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s the drug of choice in your comic? I haven’t settled on one specifically yet, maybe watching some of these movies will help

>>7336243
Oh, I didn't forget about you, or that anon showing people racing on highways in Florida(?) You both go in category one, I just couldn't remember the names of your respective comics for the life of me. :(

>>7336337
>>7336368
I always wonder what they consider "drug use" on places like Webtoons, Tapas, etc. such that you need to report/label it if your comic includes it. Is it only hard stuff? Does smoking a regular cigarette count? What about drinking a bottle of soju? Is somebody chilling at a hookah lounge considered qualifying? Is that "promoting" said drug or do they have to state it explicitly? If somebody is drawn downing 30 monster energy drinks in short order does that rise to the level of "drug use?"

>>7336416
A few drugs, but the one of choice is Fentynal, until they lose someone close.
Another movie I'd recommend, and has to do with drugs and music in the 90s is SLC Punk. Amazing movie, and maybe more relevant than trainspotting, even though it's also great.

>>7336548
Not sure, but I have no intention of trying to upload it there.

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>>7336028
Bear in a sailor hat? If you're talking about Harold, he's not a bear. He's just a character that represents gluttony. A bunch of the cast are weird plushie like people... that have blood and guts for comedy sake. Also, no I wasn't planning on doing NSFW of them. But I will say this, if I ever do see a r34 scene around my work, I'll know I've finally made it as a comic artist, hahaha

>>7336736
I'm sorry, but the mob has spoken, bear-in-a-sailor-hat anon.

>>7336736
I could draw (bad) lewds of anyone's comic right here, I think to add you have to add the lewd comes from a reader you never interacted with posting then in the wild.

>>7336337
I just introduced one. They are bad, but you don't have to portray it with an obvious bend towards being bad or good. This is usually the sort of thing which speaks for itself (which also just never happens to be good)

>>7336548
I think they probably mean mind altering drugs/weed/hallucinogenics/ hard drugs. But the thing about webtoons is that it has very selective enforcement, if you get got it's because some narc reported you so it'a a gamble.

>>7336482
No, not me. I think I brought this on myself since I don't have much content.
I'll start posting more.

>>7336768
The cynical side of me would love to see that, but there is enough of that stuff on this board already. And yeah your point stands, for it to be genuine it has to be from someone not from here

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How do ya stop rushin panels
Second i do most basic sketch i get scared i'll make same mistake of spending hour making perfect sketch only for inking to be shit so i rush it and ends up shit anyways

>>7336902
Sketches are just that, sketches. I never spend much time on them.
As for rushing panels? I wish I had that problem, I'm so slow I feel like I have downs syndrome

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>>7336908
But thing is this is supposted to be finished thing
Which is bad
Should i quit trad inking and just finish this all digitally
Who the fuck wants to read comic that looks like this

>>7336902
You just stop rushing. It's as simple as that. Sketching shouldn't be about drawing as much as it should be about figuring out perspective, anatomy etc.

>>7337053
Yeah, prob will do it digitally since i'm running out of clean trad paper that aint lined and liners, i suck at them

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Finally getting to the action scenes (kinda)

I think it's going to look a little awkward having fight scenes without using reference, so I decided that I'm just gonna have fun with it and go with the flow. If it looks wonkey, I'll pull out the ol >muh style card and just try and work on it on the next page

>>7337020
That's the finished product? If that's the case, then who cares if it's rushed? It looks rushed, so I guess it's true to form. I say carry on.

>>7336698
People do fentanyl straight? I only hear about it mixed with other stuff
>>7336548
I swore there was some original or canvas front page webtoon that had implied drug use before
>>7336785
Personally I was talking about harder drugs yeah, it’s a slice of life so I just wanted to portray it as a fly on the wall sort of way. There’s also only one of them doing it, so I don’t want the people around him to sound like harpies either. I’m curious about Tapas’ enforcement compared to Webtoon though given how wishy washy they are, never really hear about Tapas’ rules by comparison

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>>7337066
This reminds me this panel of my old comic kek

>>7337159
Very Disney faces, I like that.
Does that guys eye pop out too like that the banshees?

>>7337122
Yeah, California man, they do it straight. Little blues.
Nothing romantic about it, like how heroin is portrayed in the movies (sometimes).
I think we bought some coke back when I used to party that was sketchy, so we didn't do it, then it turns out during that time people were cutting it.
But yeah, check out SLC Punk, that might be right up your alley

>>7337066
Post the link to your comic again, I'm trying to see something.

>>7337159
>winds up right arm for a punch
>next panel shows left arm doing the punch instead
????????

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>>7337196
Only for comic effects
>>7337257
When I noticed it was too late

>>7337199
Oh, you have some experience? Or was it just that one time? I’ll definitely try and watch that though

>>7337257
Never let them know your next move.

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Sup guys. So, I really like music, and when I'm thinking of scenes for my manga I often listen to songs to help me set the mood for the scene and inspire me. I had this weird idea of "adding soundtrack" to my pages. Not sure if it would work out very well though.

The idea is the following: Right at the start of the manga there would be instructions telling the reader that whenever they see a musical note symbol on a panel, that means there is a song being played in the scene and he can play the song for real as he reads the scene. The name of the band and song would be shown at the corner of the page. This would help the reader understand better the mood the scene is trying to convey and I think it would make the experience way more engaging and unique. You guys this could be implemented well?

>>7337862
I think that’s a cool and interesting idea digitally, not sure how that would go over on a physical book format though. I’ve put together a whole playlist myself and wanted to have the music play automatically based off of the chapter being read rather than a separate thing.. Haven’t actually done anything yet though lol

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>>7337862
I assumed this had been done already so when the idea came to me I didn't really think much of it. I just put the song that inspired the scene in the corner, but then I wasn't sure about the legality so I censored it.
I'm sure it's fine, but I kinda liked it being a little cryptic.
Is there a theme to your soundtrack? Or is it just whatever you heard at the time?

>>7337877
>and wanted to have the music play automatically based off of the chapter being read rather than a separate thing
I think it's better as a separate thing, to keep as something optional.

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>>7337880
>Is there a theme to your soundtrack?
Not really. It just depends on the scene and how I want it to feel like. I'll post one of the scenes I've made so you guys can have an idea. In this scene the song playing is head over heels by tears for fears. The girl sings along at first. It's a relaxed breakfast scene in a saturday morning. I thought the song was fitting and made the scene kinda revolve around it. This is just a storyboard sketch btw. The art won't be like this.

1/4

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>>7337889
2/4

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>>7337890
3/4

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>>7337891
4/4

>>7337889
You have good taste, but you do need to be careful using song lyrics in your work. I don't know how copyright works in BR, but in the US you cant use them without permission (aka money)
Which is another reason why I just use "XX is playing", because that's perfectly legal.

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>>7337897
You guys remember I'm brazilian? Oowww. I always forget how everyone ends up recognizing each other on this board.
> be careful using song lyrics in your work
I have to worry about copyrights even when the song ISN'T being played? What the fuck man...

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>>7337903
>I have to worry about copyrights
Outside of China, you will always have to worry about copyrights for anything that isn't your original work.
For example, my MC wears band shirts, but I censor the names "naturally" by having them cut off by her sweater.
I'm also not even sure if I can use those shoes above her head, since those are a real brand as well.
Now, am I ever gonna get sued? No, because I'm not going to make it big. But it's still good to practice proper rules and guidelines

>>7337922
Fuck... Thanks for the heads up. Also, cheap Trick rocks!

>>7337928
No worries, and yes they do.
Also for the record, I personally had no clue you were BR by the way you typed, you are very western in that regard, I only know because I offered to send you my old tablet. We also have like 3 or 4 of you huehues in this general (altarusia anon being my fav )

>>7336768
I've interacted with some fans who message me out of the blue. I even drew a page for a fan's crossover comic. It's really cool that some people actually dig my nonsense.

>>7336824
I would prob just laugh if I ever saw lewds in the wild. Especially with how weird Fandoms can go. But I would be curious on popular ships.

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It's not a full drawing nor do I plan on making a full manga right now, but a few days ago while doing practice with "manga-like artstyles" I came up with this doodle so, yeah

drawing pages that are just establishing shots with detailed pans has got to be the most boring thing for me. I can't bring myself to to do them because they always take 3x as long.

>>7338060
Don't set your comic somewhere boring then.

>>7337940
>actually using the proper tools for once
Good job anon

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>>7338060
I like doing them, I get to set where everything is taking place and try and make it look like a lived in world. But seeing as that my story has moved into a city, I wouldn't be surprised if I get tired of it

>>7337278
Too much experience. Lost friends to the needle, barely got out myself. Like I said, California, man. But I'm honoring one of my buds in my work, hope his sister is ok with it

>>7338060
Comics are a lot of work and a lot of work is boring. If you can, then find a way to draw them in a way that's fun for you or at least quicker. Otherwise, get used to the idea of not having fun.

>>7337935
>get SFW fanart but never seem to get NSFW
>keep getting private requests on social media for me to DRAW my characters having sex
Given how prevalent rule 34 affects everything, I sometimes wonder what gives people cold feet at the last minute.

>>7338265
That's the only reason I want get the least bit popular, so I can say
>No
God I'm petty

>>7338605
What is that on the right? Is she grabbing something?

>>7338605
if I could draw like this I would be a millionaire

>>7338617
Pornanon can draw like that, and he's barely making ends meet.

>>7338612
In a sense.

>>7338617
Tell me your secret.

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>>7336908
Sometimes I even feel like I spend too long on the rough sketches, but don't get me started on the cleanup before inking. Always takes me a long time, but if I try to ink over a rough sketch the end product just looks worse. Luckily it's not like I have any looming deadlines to follow, so I can take my sweet ass time

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>>7337884
That’s true now that I think about it, it would probably scare the shit out of someone if they had their volume turned up
>>7337897
You can only reference a song title/band name but not specific lyrics in the US?
>>7338248
That’s really sweet, despite the circumstances that you want your friend's stories to live on like that. It reminds me of the Daisuku Chiba story, in the similar sense of people who knew him shared what it was like knowing him. I’d love to read it when you finish it

>>7338605
I'm noticing good comic artists dont draw things in one line/contour. The form is always created with lots of lines that add thickness here and there. This is how my sketches look sometimes but when I draw over them "clean" I lose the form, so this is eye opening.

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>>7338630
That's essentially my process, 3 iterations, but your initial sketches are much more detailed than mine.
>>7338633
Yeah, I mean I couldn't find too much reference on manga/comic laws, but I'm taking the copyright rules from books and applying them. But maybe the rules are more similar to like, TV or sitcoms, and I think they can say song lyrics and get away with them? So yeah I'm not a lawyer, but Im sure that novels cant use them without permission (unless the song was written before 1925).
And I've never read Daisuku Chiba, I'll check it out, I'll post some stuff from it after I finish this chapter on my other thing.

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Well i tried 2 times to remake this
Better to keep going instead
Page one done
Whadya think
If you were the leader would you have dropped it page one

>>7338677
Your earlier versions like this one >>7337020 was a bit cleaner. You said you're working trad, and some of the image just looks kinda washed out and blurry now. I'd probably do something to also indicate exactly where everything is happening. Is that first panel ships attacking each other? Is this in space, or on the surface of a planet? Indicate something so your reader knows where things are happening. Feel like the biggest thing is the lineart needs a bit more refinement.

I'd also start thinking about where the text is going to go while you're actually laying out the page. Right now, the placement of it all being on the right side makes it seem like the text is kind of an afterthought, so you just dumped it where there was some blank space. The writing itself is also kind of wooden, and has a bit of a janky flow.

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>>7338635
I definitely think it looks better to how I was drawing before. I'm glad my editor suggested I draw in this rougher style. Previously my inking looked like this, kinda dull in comparison to my inking since IMO.

>>7338677
In addition to what the other anon said, I highly recommend doing the text digitally.

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>>7338691
Can do simple as adding planets and bit refining lines where i can
It is rushing compared to original page where i had idea where it should go
Nothing else, i'll just maybe adjust few small things and do another page trad with most confidence possible

>>7338697
It was digitlaly done but since it's with fingers it looks kinda rough
If you have some good font that fits this shit i'd be cool
Also someone said that first panel had text similar to ninjago so you know the quality of writing of this

>>7338700
Go look for fonts and find one that you think fits the look. We can't really do that for you.

>>7338702
Yeah,
Imma go search for more
I'll be back with 2 more pages
Until then thanks for feedback

>>7332429
I think you're putting the cart before the horse by being so obsessed about the message. I think it's better to start from the setting and characters and move on to the plot from there. You don't want the story to feel like shitty propaganda.
Message is something you discover while you're plotting out the story. When you're writing the story you constantly make judgments which are shaped by your taste and values, and as the story takes form, at some point you recognize what the meaning of your story and that's when you rewrite the story to be consistent with the theme you discovered.

>>7338736
Entirely agree with this.

>>7338677
>>7338698
I have a few suggestions about the text, if I may. but you don't have to change it, just some ideas.
>If you were the leader would you have dropped it page one
no I would continue. so far the plot seems rather ordinary, but the creatures look cool.

>the universe
unless its name is "universe", you need the article, otherwise the grammar doesn't work
>"ever consuming" could also be "all-consuming", but it's fine
>The empire / so big... / so powerful
I'd leave out "The empire". or maybe state its name if it has one. if it's named just "the Empire", I involuntarily think of Star Wars.
>the screams of victim planets...
it's ok but maybe "victimized" or "attacked" or "planets fallen victim" could be better
>... echoed through the entire universe
"entire" feels unnecessary
>The... / horror / terrors
this is weird, like are they called "the horror terrors" or is there an "s" cut off, i.e. "horrors / terrors"
maybe the upper box could just be "horrors" and the lower box "terrors"

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>>7338630
>ink over a rough sketch
This is always my process lmao, My ink is usually rough so even if I clean up and then ink It will be rough again... I'm my new oneshoot I'm trying to have cleaner ink we will see..

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5 more pages bros... this has been a suprisingly draining endeavor, can't even keep up a pace of page per day

>>7334088
I'll keep that in mind, so far I've just used my thinnest fineliner for backgrounds and a slightly thicker one for character outlines

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>>7336736
The porn will come later.

>>7338736
A lot of storytellers seem to forget that they're supposed to be entertainers and instead create "art" with strange ulterior motives.

>>7338851
They want to use entertainment media as a personal therapy session, but that rarely ever translates to anything anyone wants to see.

>>7338861
>>7338851
I mean this is sadly fairly common in almost every medium out there. From video games to tv and movies.
The difference there is, that requires the hard work of other people to do. Imagine working hard to get into the industry, only for your first big project to be Joker 2 or Borderlands.I mean, at least they got paid.
People making webcomics aren't bringing anyone down with them, but I suppose you could argue it doesn't help the medium as a whole.

>>7338861
At least nobody here on /mmg/ seems to fall into that category.

anyone know about the one guy who was making that fisher and bear comic? I really found that funny but I can't find anything about it anywhere else. Is he still around?

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Jesus this was basically impossible to properly scan from trad to digital so i had to compromise

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>>7339013
This was trad ver

>>7339013
This looks 10x better than >>7338677

>>7339013
>>7339014
What was the problem?

>>7339042
Not much
Digital sets better mood off but it completely fucked some details and shit like that big monsters hand
Every time i open ibis and extract lineart the more and closer i try to get to og line weight the more some random black spots appear due to it being shadows from paper phone's camera picked and no matter what it keeps appearing.
I had to take pic once, copy layer so they could look somewhat decent
Worth it though

>>7332429
I'm writing what is in effect a historical war story
I don't think about a message for my story because history doesn't have a message
but it's just as entertaining to me as any fiction

>>7339171
>I don't think about a message for my story because history doesn't have a message
You are still going to have characters that are going to have to talk and engage with one another. It is from there that minor themes come to the surface, whatever they are.

>>7339191
yes, but there's no grand plan to it. I consider myself merely relaying events. themes will appear as they may but they don't serve some message i'm trying to sell the reader on
all i want to sell the reader is fun action and political intrigue

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>>7339208
nta but I'm also doing a political story, technically, and yeah I'm trying not to convey my opinion so to speak, but my MC is going to be opinionated.
It's the nature of writing women I suppose

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>>7339229
nice. have you posted any of it here?
>It's the nature of writing women I suppose
and cats

>>7339013

what I so is to scan the drawing then import in CSP as layer of shades of gray, then duplicate that layer but as a monochrome and then switch it to multiply

>>7339244
>furry
Forgive me, I think I left something on the stove! Hope you have lots of luck in your endeavors

>>7338947
I saw borderlands in theatres expecting it to be funny bad with 'buttstallion' tier dialogue but it was so fucking boring. It's so crazy that these big movies and games get hundreds of people working on them and no one thinks to make it fun. The crash can't come soon enough.

>>7339229
do you have any pages drawn?

>>7339269
I wonder if part of that is because there are only 1 or 2 people who see the entirety of it.
The prop guy doesn't know what the actor is going to say, the costume designer doesn't know whos the motivation of the character, etc etc
So there are only like a few retards who can see the finish line, and if you have any doubts from them, there is the classic "we will fix it in post" line you can sell em.

And to be fair, even the original Star Wars movie was supposedly a straight up abortion, that was saved in editing. With Borderlands I dunno what the plan was though, Eli Roth is a competent film maker when he wants to be.

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>>7339276
Yeah, but they really haven't been political yet, my MC just moved to the story location. I'm halfway done with chapter 1 (10 of 21 pages), so maybe by next month I'll post the lineart here and ask for advice before finalizing screen tones.

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>>7339261
suit yourself

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Taking about politics I use the face of the brazilian minister(that one who was against fighting musk) as the Devil Kek

>>7339569
>>7339569
*against musk

>>7339569
based

>>7339286
ah, it makes sense now

>>7339286
I dont mean to toot my own horn, but looking back, I'm over the moon with how natural her hands look for being no ref 4-fingered cartoon mitts.
But then again I'm back to drinking, so maybe I'll sober up and not feel the same.

>>7333665
Firstly: hue
Secondly: I agree with the points you brought but I've always thought a good start is able to present the current state of characters, world and story and gives us a little hint for the future of all three. From something simpler like Yotsubato to something a more complex Vinland Saga, you can more or less know what to expect from the first chapter.

>>7339085
I've never used that software, but it seems handy if you don't have access to a scanner. Better lighting and straightening out the paper could help.
Are there any libraries nearby that let you scan for free? That was the case for me, but I didn't realize it until after I ordered a scanner of my own

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Speaking of scanning. Does this scan from my local library look good? Bit of an odd question I know, but I want to make sure quality hasn't been lost before I color the 20 pages of stuff that I scanned

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No idea why that shit rotated, but heres the OG for reference

>>7339702
Bro that looks great, like classic comics.
What are you doing wrong with your other crap

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>>7339709
probably shouldnt have phrased it like that, Im not >>7339013 I havent posted for a few weeks. Also to >>7339013 in case you dont already, you should try to do mastercopies alongside original work, you'll see a good improvement. Early beserk or junji ito stuff could help you specifically

>>7339279
It's probably multiple factors but it's sadly something that affects the indie scene as well. IMO it's a problem with overconfidence and lack of sincerity. People create because they want to be famous rather than out of love for the craft which results in rushed, poorly thought out scripts. Borderlands was full of trite "we can't just leave them! We have to go back" type dialogue. Which when put against a movie like 'snatch' makes you realise that the only real problem is a lack of effort and originality. My main concern is dialogue because it's important to comics. You need to respect your readers time so the least you can do is show them something they haven't seen before.

>>7338861
>They want to use entertainment media as a personal therapy session
This is pretty much the entire comics scene in a certain Nordic country. People who'd really rather be novelists or poets making blogposts in comic book form about how shit their depressing lives are, and no one other than reviewers and award juries are ever going to read their garbage.

>>7339726
Holy shit i didn't think about that one. I like beserk and read it all, so probably it wouldn't be bad to try as a warmup before inking
Also i have judge dredd comic and tex
Maybe that can be fine too for what i'm trying to go for

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>>7336108
Hey 4 inches is all you need, and it's called steel cupid

>>7339928
It's all millennials. I call it millennial art.
For example, on a smaller scale, a 30 something yr old obese woman with pokemon tattoos will make a fridge magnet that says "I'm gay, fuck you" with a rainbow though it and charge £20 a piece on etsy.
On the large scale, you know when you see a movie trailer for the latest capeshit and the music cuts out suddenly and then the weird character does something mildly confusing but not too weird to remove the pg rating, then the sardonic safe edgy character make an unnecessary comment like "well that was weird!" and it cuts to "in cinemas this December"!

>>7340221
Oh, god, could you imagine if everyone's comics here suddenly had marvel-tier humor forcibly injected into the script?

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3rd page
Text added too
When all 5 are done i'll go back and adjust some things
I'm saying because first five are so boring to me to draw

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>>7340486
Page 2 with text

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>>7340486
Felt like something was missing from page so

>>7338851
>>7338851
Oh my gosh oh my gosh! They look so cool! Look at that hatching! and hat perspective on andromalius! This is so cool! And vephar's switch! Ahhh

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>>7338861
>They want to use entertainment media as a personal therapy session, but that rarely ever translates to anything anyone wants to see.
Wait. You mean no one likes that? Fuck. There goes all my cool manga ideas. Goodbye guys. It was nice meeting you.

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>>7340486
>>7340488
I think it's fun and has soul. The figures are good, but way too rushed. I can't tell wtf is going on.
I didn't even see the (bug?) leader dude fighting the lizard demon trex man in the first panel until I looked at it for solid minute.
I can see you made them darker with solid black/ hatching to try and make them stand out from the dudes below. But I still barely have a clue what I'm looking at here. Solving the captcha is easier. Take more time , pencil more, consider using grey or screentones, you're straight up throwing 2D shapes in there like the club and the sword. Perspective on cannon looks like a limp dick. In trad you have to do a lot of penciling before you ink to get it right.
I think a big issue is the DPI on your scanner, look at the speech bubble on the bottom left, the outline of it is pixelated. And what size paper is this on?
Also, are you ESL or dyslexic? Because your grammar is way off and the narration doesn't flow well. And you said only them two were left alive but then there are visibly dudes still fighting in the battle still?

Pencil more, take more time, pause, use your brain more, it will pay off.
Another thing is, I think an anon said to study other inkers. Definitely do that. Even just a little. Because inking is a very deliberate and unflattering medium. By that I mean you've got to really think about how what your lines are creating on the page. Pic rel is a shitty picture of a comic I have by jeff jones (idyll + I'm age) cos I couldn't find a good scan on duckduck go images (sorry). All of it is just ink on paper, which is hard to do, most people use grey marker, screentones etc. But look at what he does with the shadow on the gravestone, the sky. None of that makes sense in conventional light and shade terms, but it's super expressive. I'm not saying you have to do that, just think about this shit when you draw.

>>7340551
Really good insight
I am.planning to copy this pic you posted since i like the way it looks
Anyways i will answer some questions
>Are you ESL?
Yes, sadly. In balkans English is treated as a joke. Imagine in highschool being taught 5-6th grade english because retards from your class are that bad that they cannot even do present simple without fucking up. What i know of English is sadly structured around me being on internet since childhood and learning and picking up words form youtube and other sites
I've read 3 pages now back to back and since i am not native i cannot completely point out grammatical issues in structure but i can say it feels off.
I'll have to re write especially 3rd page.
>Barely have a clue at what i'm looking at
Yes i myself when unsure just throw shit in until it looks cool to me but thing is i promised myself if i make a comic weather shit or not that it has to be at least readable. So i will try at best 2 re draws to make it easier to follow
>Scanner
I have none. I take picture from my phone and import it on ibispaint x. Thing is when i do i have to mess with contrast and usually that fucks shit up. Also sometimes the speech bubble example happens when i go over and edit pic further and change the drawing because often i wing it because i want to finish comic as fast as possible
Not because for sake of it but because i had this shit and passion project building up for years and stuff and now i feel like me taking 2-3 days for one page would've been bad considering how much time i took to finally put ideas on paper while also having 100 other pages to do

>>7339599
agreed. Hands look good for that style

>>7340575
Oh yeah and about the troops being alive despite it being stated that everyone expect 2 died
I wanted em to be reinforcements or rescue units or whatever but fuck im gonna change so the bad guy drags himself slowly to some ship and flies while mc is alone left to bleed out until someone saves him. I think that would give better characterization
That's not your fault though. As a writer it is my job to make sure story flows best it possibly can

>>7338851
Also, if I share on socials, who should I credit it to?

>>7339599
Honestly, you have one of my fav art styles here! I'm looking forward to your work!

>>7340575
>>7340596
>In balkans English is treated as a joke.
>retards from your class are that bad that they cannot even do present simple without fucking up
That's hilarious because in england every other language is treated as a joke for the same reason. The teacher just let us cheat on our german exam. The difference is we can get away with it. But then again, even in english (first language) class, I remember the reading ability of most people in my class (early zoomer) was so pathetic they sounded like robots, and I was in set 2. I became the teacher's pet, purely because I actually could actually read continuous prose.
This is mainly due to people not reading books, or just consuming any media that's remotely mentally challenging in general. I think you would benefit a lot if you read more books in english, especially older books. Something like robert e howard's conan the barbarian would fit your themes. Also playing games with lots of written dialogue like older RPGs like morrowind or fallout 2.
I suspected you were ESL and not dyslexic though, because you can actually spell lmao.

>i will try at best 2 re draws to make it easier to follow
>often i wing it because i want to finish comic as fast as possible
I get you want to make it fast, but there's a fine line between making something quickly that's not as refined and something that looks like ass. I mean don't you think it's self defeating if you yourself are planning to redraw because it looks so shit? Like I said, grey marker or screentones really fleshes it out. Can you afford a proper scanner or even digital stuff (tablet, ipad, 2in1 laptop etc.)? That could potentially speed things up if you are able to get used to it. Personally, I work on a lenovo 2 in 1 laptop with pirated CSP 1.8.2 (I'm too used to the old version). But even with your inking in it's present state, if you got a grey marker and put it in it would improve readability x 100.

>>7340590
>>7340618
I gotta drink and fish for compliments more often, thank you.

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>>7338851
Epic. I coomed.

>>7340615
Me, obviously

>>7340739
Are you a brit, or did you just want an excuse to say fag?

>>7339005
still alive
https://globalcomix.com/c/new-project
haven't uploaded chapter 4 yet, I guess I should do that

>>7333511
>I lose motivation and get lost when I'm at the part of the story where its just people talking or going to the next location
Use those moments to build on your characters. (I.e The differences in how they drink tea or eat food, to the way they sit or enter a room. Shoot the scene from different spots to accentuate the emotions of whats being communicated)

Also anon you need to realize that those moments are almost like 90 percent of all stories, you need to overcome that aversion.

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>>7338851
>Oswald
I'm a fan of your work. Would love to pick up a physical copy of Oswald

>forget that they're supposed to be entertainers
I think they fall into the trap of viewing a work being entertainment as low brow so it has to be some "high art" in order for it have any value in their mind

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>>7340801
>I think they fall into the trap of viewing a work being entertainment as low brow so it has to be some "high art" in order for it have any value in their mind
The separation of what constitutes highbrow and lowbrow art is so fascinating to me.

>portrayal of a man
:D
>portrayal of a man in a series of sequential actions
D:
>portrayal of a man in a series of sequential actions, drawn really really REALLY well
Still D:

It's all so tiresome.

>>7340803
>portrayal of a man in a series of sequential actions, drawn really really REALLY well
>Still D:
Its why normies will recoil at berserk but then go watch an SA scene from Game of Thrones with the whole family and not bat an eye.

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>>7340806
>normies will recoil at berserk

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Not too happy with it but working on my second comic right now. (I finished a pretty long one shot last year and this new one will be a series). This is one of the pages. Kinda just making these for fun.

>>7339810
I’m curious, how does someone know that their dialogue is good? Like, is it a good or bad thing to have a character ask something that the reader is asking?

>>7340885
Expository dialogue is great for explaining what the reader is asking.
Take for example Yoda explaining the Force to Luke on Degoba.

Now imagine that scene, but instead its Yoda talking with a bunch of other old Jedi who all already know everything about the Force, but talk about in detail just so the audience also has a clue about what it is.

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBhR4QcBtE

>>7340575
Personally, as a fellow ESL, I'd just recommend writing in your native language. I might just be a retard of course, but even after 20+ years of heavy English-language media consumption and posting on the English-speaking internet, when I'm writing in English it feels like half of my brain's resources always go into asking myself "how the fuck do you phrase that in English?" and making sure that my text is grammatically correct. When I'm writing in my native language I can focus purely on the creative side of writing without being burdened by the technical side and everything just comes out more fluidly and intuitively.
After finishing the comic you can translate it into English. And even if your translation is kinda clumsy, it's a million times more acceptable if you go on to later release the comic with a revised translation rather than if you do a "revised writing edition".

>>7340885
>Like, is it a good or bad thing to have a character ask something that the reader is asking?
I wouldn't take strict "you should never do X" rules too seriously. Voiceover narrations are supposedly bad filmmaking, but there's plenty of movies where it works wonderfully. It all depends on the context and the execution.

>>7340885
>Like, is it a good or bad thing to have a character ask something that the reader is asking
As long as the character would have no real knowledge on the things he's asking about then no, it's perfectly fine.

>>7340885
When my editor stops telling me this is some of the worst dialogue they've ever read.

>>7340806
>an SA scene
I'm gonna need you to untrain yourself from self-censoring twitterisms

RAPE SCENE.

Any tips to improve the dynamism of characters in manga? I find that the poses I draw are often too stiff.

>>7341146
That's just gesture. Apparently the way to improve that is quick gestures from life, but personally I just kept drawing my comics trying to improve the dynamism of my poses and gradually got better like that.

>>7340885
This is more personal preference but I like to think of dialogue as closer to poetry than anything else. Your goal is to explain some concept to the audience and there are infinite ways to go about it, why choose the most generic option when you can spend a little more time thinking and come up with something that has more flare and flows more nicely. Ultimately I just think it's a matter of effort, it's pretty hard to have bad dialogue if you spend the time writing your characters and setting up cool dynamics/ relationships.

>>7341146
Draw the shapes of the pose first then draw the anatomy to fit.

>>7340767
I am an authentic britistani citizen and this is what we say here. I will make no compromises for americanisms.

>>7341262
Pretty sure we invented the darn things.
But I mean I'll all for it, fag is a way better term, I use it all the time.
Just not for cigarettes

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>>7340960
Aight thanks for anon to recommend inking other peoples panels
It helps as warmup and i get more confidence boost in my own ink while i fuck around and test other ways inkers b
Today i wrote the text down in native and then gave myself a translation
Here are 3 pages with new narration

>>7341496
>Eons ago while universe wa prospering in peace there was an empire whose only goal was to turn off every light in the universe and cover it with it's darkness and evil. Planet to planet, leaving nothing but barren wasteland where only screams and cries echoed through the entire cosmos from the doomed planet. Each fight ended in bigger losses and each losss in even bigger tragedy"

>"Their weaponry unbeatable"

>Their armies endless"

>"Like a black hole, mindless, formless, sucking up everything in it's way. Soon enough the whole universe through sadness, despair, anger, fear would utter their name. Every doubter, everyone who thought of it as a myth, every one who believed they'd escaped would eventually bathe in their own tears and blood of those they spilled along their conquest for powert. They were the.."

>Horror

>Terrors

>"On the very end of the universe where plain darkness endlessly spans across empty space there are mosters who reside that god himself couldn't love. If you had each eyeball from every human from earth you still couldn't count all those tentacles, eyes, arms, teeth hanging out. It's like mess of random parts and several monsters formed into a planet forver wandering around endless landscape but above them all lays their leader, Cyclonus. Blood thirsty yet clever.His hunger for conquest is only rivaled by his thirst for power"

>"But universe wouldn't go out without a fight. 8 mighty heroes blessed by the powers of the old gods desitned to fight in a war for fate of the entire universe

>"Battle after battle and finally came the last comfortation bettween two biggest forces in the universe. 2 biggest forces who used to rule over Earth, lizzards versus bugs. 2 leaders clash their swords and only 2 leaders left alone on the battlefield scrapping by with their limp bodies into vastness of dead battlefield.
>"One to his victory"
>"Other to his doom"

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>>7341146
Doodle up stick figures for your general idea, use wild strokes, feel, don't think.
Then redraw stick figures to take basic anatomy, gravity and lines of action into account.
Repeat until you *feel* the desired pose, exaggerate when and as needed.
If it's a fight you want your fist to reach the back of your opponent's head, not just his face.
Then construct your characters on top

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Starting a 1shot, here we go.

>>7341496
Nigga slow down
Did you even do any pencils for this one?
>>7341498
1000x better
>>7341820
Compositionpilled

>>7341820
That last shot is fantastic

>>7341820
Panel 1: Introduction to protagonist, show opening credits
Panel 2: Introduction to protagonist's life, their way of being, the values they stand for
Panel 3: The antagonist. An entire discussion on the differences they value and how it inevitably leads to conflict
Panel 4: Resolution, the antagonist humbled, he retreats to a peaceful life in a village, roll end credits

A film by Hideo Kojima.

>>7341820
Very cool, very soul

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Wish I was already at the part where a dude suplexes one of these guys

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