A thread for art school recommendations, advice and all that stuff
Lol don't waste your time.
>>7336504Unless you specifically wish to work in 3d animation/rigging I would not recommend it.Short story: you're 20 years too late. 2d is getting defunded everywhere. It's pretty much what was foretold in the preface of the Animator's Survival Kit.In 2020 I graduated from a rather prestigious (euro) art school that advertises itself as the place where the likes of Pixar hires from. There were like two teachers left who knew anything about how to actually draw or animate. The rest of them were editors, ignorant educators, 3d fags and failed modern fine arts peddlers. We from the 2d section were treated as second grade citizen next to the 3d faggots. We had to learn everything on our own to meet retarded deadlines from people who obviously never held an art job in their lives. Couple years later, I heard that this section got unceremoniously terminated. The school is only doing 3d now. I didn't get any "industry connections" from my time there either, I unironically got to network more in the likes of fucking Twitter.Meanwhile, I know people who are currently going to rather prestigious schools in animation, trad art and sculpting. Same story there: every knowledgeable illustrator went on their own to work in place worth their time. The people left behind are critics unable to draw anything on their own. The competent teachers are able to guide you with how to do a portfolio, work on concepts,... But you will never learn the meaty technical shit from them. If you're lucky you'll get a life drawing course and that's it.If you want to invest in an art education, you should rather look up local ateliers, life drawing classes, and see if artists that you like offer art courses anywhere. You can easily figure out the rest.
>>7336504Im finishing artschool next year, I do not recommend it at allIts a expensive burnout
>>7336527>2020 graduated>Didn't hop on the 2 year western animation boom afterwardsWhat were you doing anon?
I have an art uni in mind I’d like to go to, so of course I started researching it and finding what the alumni and students had to say about the place. As expected, they all said it was an amazing experience, that they couldn’t have gotten to where they are without it, all positive stuff. The only negatives they really mentioned where how stressful it was, tight deadlines yada yada, which I’m fine with. The thing is, though, they all seemed do fucking depressed when they talked about the uni. A monotone voice, slightly bitter and regretful and just looking at the floor like they hated the place! And it’s not like anyone’s forcing them to talk about the place in a positive light they choose to! So why are they so depressed? I feel like they definitely regret going, so why aren’t they saying it, or why? Am I fucking autistic? Anons enlighten me
>>7336504Sex, drugs and leftist politics? Yes, go to art school.Learning illustration and creating appealing art? Become an intern/assistant or just work on your free time.Real jobs will depend mainly on your portfolio and communications/teamwork/learning skills. My cunt has a big vidya industry and their arts and graphics sections are made up of highschool dropouts, The kids get full time art jobs the day they turn 18.
I actually went to art School, actually a animation program for 3 years. I'm just going to give you my text to speech story. Honestly art school is worth it if you're good enough it's going to improve your skills it's going to get you if it's a reputable School at least an internship but it's a waste of time and money if you're not good enough. A lot of people go to art School thinking art schools going to make you successful the answer is it can only improve your skills to a degree. For example my class I worked with them for 3 years at the end of the day two of the students after the program out of 40 are professional ready the rest would probably require including myself a year or two just honing the skill. The reality is art School is a waste of time and money if you do not have the skills good enough. Art schools rely on the principal of filling up seats and hoping that one of the really talented kids they get will be successful then they will use that kid's name everywhere. They honestly don't care about the 90% that are just okay they know that they're not going to get jobs immediately. That's one of the things anytime you see an advertisement for art School they always point to the one kid that came in the school they forget to tell you that kid was already good enough to get a internship and work in the industry but they'll flaunt that kid around as though they taught him something. The fact is they teach you the basics and then that's about it
I would say one of the hardest things for starting artists is to understand skill level. Skill level in art is crazy but at the same time it doesn't really matter because you're not going to get a job unless you're good enough. Unfortunately arts school is not going to get you good enough because unless you go in there and you're pretty good already you're just polishing a turd. I have never seen a student or anyone go to art school and have an epiphany and become talented the ones that are talented were talented going in. I wish I could say art school would help you but the fact is it's just going to polish your skills a bit and you'll find out real fast what a real talented artist is and then it's going to be competing against those people and at that point there's no point
Another thing I found is everyone wants to be a 2d animator, but in order to be a really good to the animator you actually have to have a good amount of drawing skills and no one wants to hear that. People in my program went in there with all these dreams and how successful they were going to be in their heads but after meeting some really talented people I can tell you that the biggest hardest pill to swallow is frankly you're not good enough. You can get it good at drawing don't get me wrong but what people is that really tight skill the ability to draw really well and especially for 2D animation it is impossible unless you're good at drawing. I found out real fast that I could not consistently draw and I've tried to help other people who were my juniors about actually what it entails to draw consistently and they don't want to hear it they're so focused on craftsmanship that they don't even understand the principles of actually completing a project. I would say art school will only work if you're good enough but if you're not you're going to waste your time. What I mean by good enough is mainly consistent figure drawing. Do you have that skill do you have the skill to do a stick figure consistently. That little stick figure will save your life in a program, before embracing art school I would recommend you get really good with fun with a pencil or how to draw the marvel way. Those two books are really good at gauging your actual skill level. If you want to go to art School I would recommend getting really really good at using a drawing tablet also blender that's going to help you a lot. If you're good at those going into art school you're going to get a lot more out of it then if you're going to go in there and flap about. People don't like hearing you have to read these books and gain this knowledge beforehand so you actually understand what the hell they're talking about. And be honest with yourself are you good enough to actually get something out of art
The things I learned in my program help me a lot but I'm still not good enough and that has to do a lot with the skills I walked in with. Yeah you can learn a lot and you going to get good but if you walk in there without a good amount of under your belt you're going to spend your time learning those skills and those skills are the entry skills. You need to get good at those entry skills so you get the most out of art School. Now if we're talking digital or traditional it's about the same you have to have a good amount of skills to get the knowledge really going especially on the high-end stuff.
A good arts school is like a guide but that's about it it's going to guide you in a direction but if you don't have those skills you're just going to be on the low level path throughout the whole experience. If you can learn all the fundamentals before entering any art School you're going to do a lot better then trying to learn those fundamentals in the middle of a art program. Again art school is going to polish your skills it's going to give you direction and a guide to gain skills but if you're on level one it's only going to get you to level three if you're on level three it's going to get you to level six kind of thing if that makes any sense. The mortality you are the more you get out of art School but if you're going to a program and you just okay you're going to come out of it just okay. Again our school does not create artists it gives you a guide you're not going you're not going to get a Epiphany a eureka moment and then all the sudden you're draw better than Leonardo da Vinci they're going to show you how to do it they're going to give you some tips and tricks and if the teachers any good he's going to tell you some secrets that he uses that's about it.
>>7337226>>7337231>>7337237>>7337239>>7337242pyw ESL
>>7337252faggot
>>7337242Rakesh, Whatever Bengali art school you went to that was funded from Muslim immigrant organ harvesting sounds like a hellish place from what I can gather from this Homer's Illiad you wrote up, I hope you're reincarnated as a noble bovine when your village succumbs to siphillis
>>7336504The Ateliers in Europe can be interesting, I have visited a couple, the quality is a bit hit and miss but even in the worst academy you will still learn more about drawing than you will in a Bachelor of Arts course.
>>7336562Go watch Whiplash.
>>7336504>ecommendations, adviceyeah, don't.
>>7337476kek
There are tons of cheap and or free resourses that will provide you with an education of the same (if not better) quality and value. Sit in on some CC figure drawing classes (if available), check your local RecCenter or try and see if you can find an Atlier wherever you are.If you have the money to pay for ArtSchool without going into debt and the resources to make connections then I would go for it. Do not fucking do it otherwise or you will regret it, especially now given the state of the industry.
art school is worth it. Many of the people that post online are hobbyists- it's apparent in their workflow. Many internet artists/art hobbyists burn out within 10 years or less due to their wrist failing/developing carpal tunnel. Every single online art hobbyist I know eventually developed wrist problems. They don't know how to draw correctly, because they've only collage together bits of knowledge they found online.Fine arts school withstands the test of time, and there are many career paths you can choose afterwards. I've seen artists skyrocket to fame after art school and now earn a lot as famous painters. You can absolutely make it, I actually really recommend art school if you want to take an art career seriously.
>>7336527I'm glad to see this image I made still making the rounds like 10 years later. It may be among the most important anyone on this board sees
Actually, this one might be even more pertinent:There is, statistically, very little overlap between whether or not you pursue a degree in art and whether or not you "make it" into the formal art industry. Don't let that demoralize you though, with the chances of that kind of prestige that comes from working for Nickelodeon or Warner Brothers or whatever being slim as it is, the door is still wide open for you to pursue your own path to conventional success in art-and without accruing any sort of generational debt in the process.
(disclaimer: this guy did technically go to art school; didn't graduate)
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>>7337231>ThisComing to the realization of this during my first semester at school was so painful and disillusioning that I nearly killed myself at the end of the year.
>>7340117for lil ol' (me)?! Ohhhhh (You) shouldn't have!
>>7336504I saw a social media reel about an art school in Russia that teaches the exact same way as in the 19th century, but otherwise >>7336527 is correct.
>>7340093>>7340091>>7340084>>7336527If you really did make these, >>7340074 , then you for your service, you saved countless anons.
>>7341718>you saved countless anonsI sincerely hope so. The thought of having deprived the vampires that run the art schools from reaping the benefits of the huge debt burdens they seek to impose on unassuming young people makes me happy, even if only a few got the message in the end.
-this goes double for any who'd seen these and went on to "make it" on their own terms and in their own way, of course. Hard to believe it's been as long as it has.
>>7336504go to art school near a medical school and try to get a doctor gf to marry and support you, thats all its good for.
>>7336562>yada yadaRetarded talentless fuck.
>>7341913Post your work
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>>7336504I was lucky enough to get opportunities through my school despite it being a small university that offered Animation as one of it's leading programs, but from seeing the sea of other animation students there that should just straight up not be in school for animation is staggering. So I'd say if you have the inclination that you have something in a creative field that you want to master or get further into, be absolutely sure it would give you better resources/opportunities than self teaching or mentorship would.But at the same time, I think finding a mentor is much more important than schooling. Find someone good that makes money in your creative field and latch onto them as much as you can because it's fucking hard to find people.
>>7345185>the sea of other animation students there that should just straight up not be in school for animation is staggering.That's another thing: in the past these schools would have absolutely brutal entrance requirements, and now they don't. Each of these schools, even the ostensibly "good" ones, have seen tens of thousands of people come and go that the staff there would know from their experience wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of "making it" after graduation, but they accept their entry anyway because they just can't pass up the opportunity to rob teenagers.
>>7336562>>7336535>picrel is from someone who graduated from a top tier art university in california that has been known to pump out this generations high profile entertainment artists>imagine dishing out $100k+ in tuition ALONE just to end up doing this after you graduate. this doesn't even include the absurd cost of living in california>imagine spending 4 years at art school just to draw like you've never attended a life drawing session in your life>unemployed at the end of the dayI've met plenty of people in a similar boat it seemed to me that they had spent the past 4 years expecting art school to do all the heavy lifting for them while they themselves did the bare minimum for the assignments and grades. its the exact same story as a normal university student getting a degree and expecting a 6 figure job right out of school, except now you have an even more useless degree with 3x as much debt. its the unimaginable levels of cope that these people are huffing in order to avoid flat out admitting that art school was a mistake. Not only have they wasted their time, and an incredulous amount of money, but many of them interviewed probably had nothing to show in terms of actual good work and are incredibly bitter at the fact that they failed. There's a good reason why so many well known industry people are doing their own independent schooling or online platform teaching and mentoring. they no longer need the university system to give them a paycheck as a teacher. I had a teacher tell us that they stopped teaching at Art center because not only was the pay shitty, but the admin had the gall to charge a full $45k tuition for online schooling during Covid. you could literally go down the block to CDA and take a class for a fraction of the cost from better instructors.
>>7348352Thats why its important to have self awareness about your own art over anything else
>>7349102A worthy mission would be to find as many of these anecdotes as possible; I wish I had the same amount of personal time that I had back when those first images were made. Hard to believe it's been near 10 years. If we can find enough I wouldn't mind making more images in a similarly condensed format eventually, though.
Well this whole thread has been a fucking blackpill for me. What the fuck do I do with myself now
>>7349493i have shit academics and i'm still dogshit at drawing. do i just try salvaging the academic path
>>7349493>>7349501if art school is affordable for you to go to, then do so by any means given the school actually is decent and not one of those rich kid scams. but at the end of the day, the school itself isn't responsible for your success in the field, only you yourself are. the school only cares about your money, and in return provides the resources and structure for you to perform. the sad part is that those resources and structure is no longer worth the cost of attending in many schools worth going to. even the cream of the crop schools here in california are losing their luster. if you want to graduate in the arts, then yea do your homework and get good marks. if you want to succeed in the arts, you need to go beyond the boundaries of the school.
>>7336527>since classical drawing was rejected years agoWHO rejected it?I know it's "them", but any idea if there were specific people pushing for emphasizing abstract, pollokesque art?
How do I make legs feel more gestural?
>>7349493Atelier or art trade school. But never ever an art college.
>>7349493This isn't a blackpill at all, it should be extremely relieving to know that however slight your chances are, you have the same opportunities before you as someone who'd taken out a mortage-level loan pursuing the same interest. Unfortunate for them, but in this moment, a bullet dodged for you.
>>7336527>We had to learn everything on our ownis every animation school like this? bc I've heard this about random state schools w/ an art department AND I've heard it about schools that are supposed to be the best of the best for animation
