>just draw bro
the image that obliterated "just draw"fags
>>7341162the funny thing is OP is gay and pawell can shit out the occasional decent piece unlike OP
>>7341162worked for your favorite artist
>>7341162>>7341177>Actual autists with learning difficultiesThey still improved unlike the nodraw OP
>>7341162You have to be a total retard to not improve after studying fundies for a long span of time.
>>7341162There are so many retards on the internet that can't grasp basic fundamental rules. You have to be at least slightly above the average IQ to get good at it. Most people aren't cut out for it that's why they can't get good. It's like how some people can build muscle more efficiently compared to others. You just have to be born with some innate potential for that to happen. Same can be applied for the drawing skills.
>>7341162Pawell is autistic>>7341177Chris chan is autisticJust draw works if you try to improve a little everytime. Autistic do repetition for the sake of repetition, their brains do not evolve incrementally
>>7341162>cherry pickingdid pawell do something to anger you crabs?
>>7341162>the entire sample size is literal retardsyeah im thinking we are GMI bro
Autism is the debuff, if you are too thick to adapt your training to maximize your progress you won't learn anything. Try telling Pawell what he is doing wrong.It's also why every teacher says it's mindful copying not just copying.
>>7341202>gmi>dunning krugeroh no
>>7341162>>7341177I think autism of this sort is an exceptionthey don't study or absorb much of any new art knowledge they just wanna shit out drawings of their autistic fixationsso its>just draw bro (if you aren't a crayon-chewing retard)
>>7341201it might be that I got used to his distortions, but I find his concept work appealing in a strange way
>>7341190>>7341198>>7341204But I thought autistic niggas had an advantage with learning art because they're good at repetitive tasks?
>>7341212>But I thought autistic niggas had an advantage with learning art because they're good at repetitive tasks?that just trains the physical (hand eye coordination) but skips the mental aspect of it.
>>7341215also iirc autists actually have weak dexterity in general so they are starting with a debuff in the physical as well.
>>7341212im pretty sure they essentially get good at doing the same thing over and over neurotically but im not sure if they actually improve. its probably more just consistent
>>7341162>>7341177The problem with these 2 is that they haven't unlocked the feel the form skill. TThis skill gatekeeps people from being artists.
>>7341212If they keep doing the same bad habits/mistakes over and over they won't improve and will produce those mountains of crap everyone loves to post.
>>7341162>Look at shit art after "studying fundamentals">It's all symbol drawingEverytime
>>7341177>"J-JUST DRAW?! I H-HAD DRAWN F-FOR F-FIFTEEN Y-YEARS!">"Okay how much had you drawn?">"U-u-uh... only when im inspired so... one comic book page every 6 months...">"Show me your grip?">
>>7341177tbf chris chan has like an 80 iq. art is not kind to sub 90's
>>7341162Just ordered this bookWhat am I in for
>>7341162retards like OP cannot handle "just draw" because you dumb fuckers don't draw, you copy your favorite designs and stock poses verbatim without challenging anything or risking either (a) making a ugly piece that doesn't feature your autism hyperfixations in an effort to try new things or (b) don't want to learn fundamentals because you "want to draw cartoons" and don't understand why learning figure drawing or still life is important as an abstraction of the human form or composing objects and light in an appealing manner.you're not an artist if you can't even try to do your homework and push yourself outside of your comfort zone slightly to experiment. you're a hobbyist at best. stay out of the lane of us actual artists who have natural talent or who put in homework to gain that talent over time.
>>7341295pyw and age
>>7341295>Just draw>But also study and also do your fundamentals and also challenge your studies but also just draw and also..>Make sure you do this everyday No wonder people here are deranged. When do you get the time to take care of yourself?
>>7341295I want to suck your cock if you're a dude
>>7341178 >>7341179>>7341292 >>7341295Trying has a cost
>>7341301I literally just said to study fundamentals. I didn't say every day, I said do your homework. I don't need to "find time" because I made time with napkin sketches or drawing on food wrappers when I worked part time. I take care of myself just fine with three square meals and warm showers because you literally can't think creatively if you don't take care of yourself first. also, some of us enjoy drawing every day, it's no wonder why if we do enjoy it more than playing video games or going out that we just learn quicker. That's literally how skills work.
>>7341162I'm a total beginner when it comes to drawing but I have other hobbies and I've seen "just x" in themI used to "just shoot" and I was way above average at it, because I had been shooting a lot since I was a kid - natural acquisition and all thatbut I was only so goodthen I started paying attention to what I was doing, shooting from weird poses, shooting during the worst fucking weather, paying attention to things like the minutiae of grip recovery during sustained fire and I saw a lot of improvementbut the issue is that was "just shoot" for me from there on outI wasn't actively paying attention to how critical of myself I was, or how improvement seeking and experimentation had become routineit was pointed out to me indirectly by someone who I went "just shooting" with that I was doing better than ever, why was I being so weird about itI'm not sure where I'm going with this exactly, I guess probably that for the people that "just draw" works for they aren't "just" drawing; they are drawing but they're also paying attention to how they are drawing and how they can draw better even if it has become subconscious routine
>>7341306Yeah $13.19
>>7341312"Just draw" on /ic/ just means "fuck off." Trying to read more in to it, much less trying to interpret it as actual advice, is silly and futile.
>>7341177>draws like three times a year max>is a complete retard>still improves
>>7341162well I started drawing 2 months ago everyday with no previous experience and I made this today.Drawing everyday does work. OP is a fag as usual
>>7341295YOU'RE WRONG! I JUST WANT TO BE SEEN AS AN ARTIST. NOT DO RETARDED SHIT ARTISTS DO LIKE DRAW RETARDED CUBES GESTURE SHITS FUCK
>>7341301Do you want a rigid schedule you autistic fuck? Go to Prison. All your time there is programmed and scheduled by some warden.
>>7341825Permabeg retardation
>>7341162Literally me.
>>7341162Just think in 3d in brah
I hate drawing
>>7341986Me too
>>7341162Who is that Pawell guy? I'm newfag in this boardsome kind of lolcow?
>>7341986I wanna get to this level, no matter how much I draw I can't seem to hate it. I can not want to draw or hate the subject matter I'm drawing but not drawing within itself. It's like working out you don't want to do it when you are you get lost in the single focus of it.
>demoralization threadyeah, no thanks buddy
>>7342122A guy who's document his own journey from zero to hero regarding his drawing skills. He made his own website where rate beg books he has drilled through. you can also find his gallery where he post his art. "just draw"-fags seems to be shitting on him for proving that studying fundies actually gets you somewhere. they like to cherry pick his worst drawing to show how learning from books gets you nowhere. you can see the date on the bottom right on the pic, pawell drew it this summer. clearly all those books have done him some good!https://pawell2418.github.io/wisdom.html
>>7341248fascinating grip
>>7342236Idk what are they talking about, this looks fine to me
>>7342248they tend to use the drawing you see on the right on your pic. to show that all those fundies will do you no good.don't they know it's just gesture drawings and doodles? you know meant for warm-ups, experimentation, training to see form and motor skill?Are all his haters no-draws and lucky free doodlers who manage to figure things out?
>>7341177how much does he draw? I kept asking but never gotten a very precise answer, not even a ball park. >>7341162Looking over his profile, he only have 1k deviations over that period of time, I draw at least 10 times as much. Although it might be a stretch to say that I am a "just draw" person, but it is only something that I say to someone who refuse to start drawing at all, because for you to get into post-work-> critique cycle you needed to start some where, and its best if its something relating to your own motivations.
>high functioning autistic UhhhAm I GMI or not?
>>7342346depends on the type of autism you have
>>7342349Wdym?
>>7342236Just went through his site, that's it? This guy fucking sucks. Beg tier studies, what has he been doing with those books? Proof that reading that garbage coming from the sticky won't lead you anywhere. What a waste of time
>>7341190This
>>7342346yes, I'm autistic too and made this>>7341809
>>7342444That's literally traced anon
>>7341198The average Anon is autistic
>>7342457it's literally not, you can check yourself
>>7341333That's what I make in a day
>>7342525so the average anon is just a milder version of chris-chan?
>>7342595Hi, fake Lunasoda!
>>7341195>IQ Kek. You mean artistic talent. I've seen some borderline retards who draw quite well, and some intelligent people whose art stagnates at mediocre.
>>7341301I always laugh when people say things like they're going to get good by drawing an hour a day. Sure if you devote an hour a day to studying then another 2-3 on drawing your own works, hen maybe. But only an hour a day and you'll be lucky to break out of beginner in less than 5 years (unless you have talent)
>>7342895talent is just another word for IQ plus enjoying the subject so you do it moregeneral intelligence and memory are still the best predictors for proficiency
>>7342895being able to draw is a much better iq test than whatever SAT score you got, lil bro
>>7341201Absolute kino. I’ve been lied to
>>7341195Maybe being born with immense Visual Memory might help
>>7341212
>OK time to adress the elephant in the room. >Autists don't improve because they only look INWARDS. They are too worried about their inner words.>To improve you need to look OUTWARDS.>Meaning that you need to do MINDFUL COPIES. And studies.>Autists copy ideas but not forms and shapes. That's why they don't improve. Even KGJ did copies.I know this because I am autist myself. But its mild so I am forcing myself to do master studies.
>>7341162>just draw bro>set an alarm>look at it and see what you want to improve next time>look at other art, what makes this better than my art, how can I implement thisIf you don't do all of these each session you literally cannot improve. That's the floor. Focusing on meta shit like "how to improve at the act of drawing" is a meaningful waste of time. For the real demoralization:>>7341177>>7341162Gaisha and ChrisChan are both autists, their entire conception of art was formed at childhood, not from watching a cartoon, but from the first time they drew a cartoon. They have lived in their own world since then, they cannot fathom other art, or if they can they choose not to implement it. If they were true geniuses this would not have deterred them, they would have progressed to an advance level that mortals could only copy. Which is your place. Even if you are an advanced artist, in all likelyhood you are not a genius and if you weren't influenced by others then your art would be on the same level, never improving. Put more simply, your art never improves and you cannot create art, no matter how good or how much effort or quality, you cannot fundamentally create something that doesn't already exist in this world. That realm is for the true geniuses.
1)I don't want to see your sketches you dirty nigger, even if I'm pirating your fanbox I don't want to see them. How dare you make people (not me) pay for that shit!2)I don't want to see you draw "popular character" or "popular character in my style" or "popular character getting fucked, in my style" or "popular character getting fucked"I want to see you draw OC, faggot!
>>7342303are you filling pages like he does or making a new file for each stick figure?
>>7343144It depends on the purpose and subject, some are studies, some comic, some are design works, but even if I have only drawn single figure pin-up in the void, I would still have drawn more than both of them combined.
>>7342263>don't they know it's just gesture drawings and doodles? you know meant for warm-ups, experimentation, training to see form and motor skill?they're his 'studies'
why do people keep falling for obvious bait threads here
>>7343013>>7343121If you're autistic AND high IQ you'll learn a lot faster than most people, probably the same if you're ADHD. Autism is a spectrum, it's not black and white, I'm autistic too and I have a gf, I can talk to people normally and have a friends group. (I was diagnosed when I was 9 years old, I'm 23 now).I don't really have special interests either, I'd say it would be videogames but I don't spend hours everyday researching about my favorite characters or games. I'm also interested in history, philosophy, and politics, but spend most of my time just listening to music or talking with the boys on Discord.They used to distinguish between autism and Asperger's but people said it's ableist so now normal people, literal retards, and geniuses are all in the same bag.
>>7343163>no-draw detectedthe main point of studies isn't to make the best drawing ever. It's trying to learn how things work.
>>7341177He made a famous comic beloved by fans all over the world though
>>7341162>>7343187speaking of bait https://wiki.basedjak.st/Ic/_trolling_tactics
>>7341177>actually got betterwtf this is weird
>>7343231You sound insufferable
>>7341162just don't draw
>>7343275well I'm not, at least irl
>>7342303>how much does he draw?he never drew a lot. almost everything he's ever drawn is out there online and it's not very much for even back when he first came around to the internet. i think chris's biggest issue with his art is that he was completely satisfied with his it, he literally saw no problems with it and would constantly talk about how perfect it was. pic rel was what he considered his magnum opus.
>>7343333>i think chris's biggest issue with his art is that he was completely satisfied with his itI get the exact same impression: he could be far better if he actually tried to improve, and looked for things he could be doing better.(nice digits, by the way)
>>7343333>he literally saw no problems with it and would constantly talk about how perfect it was.He is very self-centered and chooses comforting lies over harsh truths. to be fair, this was caused by his parents and American society in general.>if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at allEven if your friends or family have created some horror beyond comprehension, you are still suppose to tell them how amazing they are?cuddling like this will cause them far more harm in the long run, then to temporally upset them by telling them what's wrong.most likely his parents, teachers and fellow kids at his kindergarten told him how "great" his art looked. making him believe he's art genius.
>>7343333is this sovl?
>>7342236>to herothat's the best he can do?
>>7343256>Here is our evil plan to do what everyone is already doing.
>>7341162"Just draw" implies paying attention to what to draw and challenging yourself in order to improve, when people tell you that in order to learn a language the best way is to just talk to strangers they obviously don't meant to repeat "the pen is on the table" over and over, so why should it be the case for drawing?
>>7343187There's always newfags. And if you look at the catalog, you might notice this OP made more than one thread on this topic, so some obvious bait get ignored while some obvious bait gets bites. I'll bet you could train a bot to hit every time (and wouldn't be surprised if that was already happening).
>>7343231You disgusting normalfag, tell your stories on reddit
>>7343121So I don't even need to try to draw? Are you retarded? In any case, you learn to draw by practicing and learning new things, no matter whether you have talent or not, "genius" or not
>>7341212as someone with actual autism i can say from experience it was very hard to actually learn anything other than my useless interests (cartoons and Sonic) until i was 13 or so, and even at that time i was too depressed and traumatized by school to actually learn anything. The only thing i did was making shitty drawings even for my age, and it was more out of boredom and me wanting to be better than a frenemy of mine (he was a fucking dork) than actually interest in the subject. I stoped drawing much at 2019. But at 2021 i had a nightmare at that made me so scared that i wanted to draw what i saw. It was very, very shitty, but it made me realize that one of the only things i actually enjoyed to do was drawing, so i grinded ever since. I think i only started to hyperfocus on it because of this and other personal factors in my life, but autism definitely didn't help at the beginning. idk what pic to choose so here's some doodles.
>>7344142I'm sorry but if you're convinced that you will always be a loser just because you're autistic you fell for the modern psychology psyop
>>7341295>us actual artists
Autism isn't real, it's just you being badly socialized as a child, you're confusing mental retardation with autism. Psychology it's a pseudoscience, you're just diverting blame, just like horoscope bitches. It's a lack of effort problem
>>7344228Get a load of this retard. No, autism is very real it’s just most retards blame their ineptitude and social retardation on autism when they are not even diagnosed. Putting blame on a mental disorder makes themselves more ease with their shortcomings. It’s a way of coping with their retardation.
>>7344238urm... pyw
>>7344241Oh no i broke him.
>>7344247pyw???? where's your work buddy?
>>7344274Now let's see yours. Funny thing is what i said didn't even warrant a piss contest.
>>7344238the fact you even responded to his post seriously is a perfect demonstration that autism is real
>>7344223I don't care that you're autistic, you have friends and a girlfriend, you probably look good and are socially adapted, you're a disgusting normie, you complain about normal life, you hypocritical piece of shit
>>7341292It's a great book for complete beginners.
>>7341162Just draw bro (and also have an IQ above 100)
>>7344283
>>7344315NTA, but I see you post around a few threads. Love your style being loose but also somehow sharp at the same time. I don't think I could ask any question nor receive any answer that would calrify how that is achieved, but I want to ask, instead, how you choose your pen brush size and pressure to be in the golden zone?
>>7342352>>7343614shut the fuck up buckley! yes pawell is a loli lover, but consider that you are a scalie faggot, you are not much better. you probably already fucked your pet lizard and any reptilian animal that happens to be unlucky to be near you. Do you shit on pawell to feel less bad about your own degenerate thoughts?
>>7341162>>7341177What you'll consistently find in these perpetual NGMIs is that they never put effort into the drawing. It's always quick and lazy drawings.Essentially, to get better at drawing, at some point, you need to challenge yourself to get things right. You draw, erase, draw again, erase again, throw out and try it again until you get it to a level you think is right. However they get it all wrong and just move to the next drawing. Of course they'll never learn.
>>7344407wtf are you talking about schizo? i dont know who that faggot is
>>7344315This honestly looks traced over a 3D model or an image. I know because i can tell a traced drawing really easily.
>>7344407tsmtyou can't expect to improve shitting out the same rushed 5 minute doodle every day
>>7342595the one on the right is vry nice, if thats you
Someone demoralize me! Tell me I’m a stupid cum bucket only good for being filled with cum.
>>7345278
>>7341162>Autist with drawing as a special interest have this drawback is that they don't nesesesarily have a "special interest" to improve at drawing either.>They have an interest in getting their ideas out. Like we all do, But little in actually learning and studying other artist.>TL;DR obssesion woth drawing and obssesion to get good at drawing are two different things.
>>7341162>>7341177why would you compare yourself to people who aren't mentally well
>>7341162I don't understand. is Pawell not doing a good job? He is copying very well, all he needs to do is experiment some more
>>7346095because OP is a self-saboteur and is gaslighting himself into thinking he will never be able to walk because some people are born without legs.
>>7346114palworld
>>7345283AND JUST LET HIM STAY IN /BEG/ !?
>>7341312Buddy, let me tell you, you might just be a GMI.
>>7341248Why the FUCK do autistic people grip pencils like cerebral palsy patients. Can someone explain this REtarded phenomenon? Also what the hell happened to 4chan? Why do I have to wait 15 minutes to post something now wtf???
>>7349269Why are you mad?
>>7349269another anon told me the site was being overrun with ai bots acting too good as humans. I guess that's what most people assume the drastic measures are for. This change sucks if you mainly use incognito to browse, which i mainly did lol
>>7342236>"just draw"-fags seems to be shitting on him for proving that studying fundies actually gets you somewhere.?I don't get it, studying fundies IS drawing, he's just drawing, isn't that the point of just draw?
>>7341162"just draw" doesn't mean to turn your brain off too. you actually have to study and apply yourself
Post Pawell
I just want to remind people, skill doesn't equate to success. You my have artists you make fun of, but I'd wager that in a lot of cases those artists are more "successful" than you in a sense. People are talking about them after all.
>>7349409lolcows?
peter han fucking SUCKSI would rather be dead than be in his brain, the shit he thinks is cool, I have to believe he is a moronif you like peter han, youre an idiot. his shit is truly bone chillingit's sobering how totally cut off from divine beauty it is. my worst nightmare is grinding for decades to make something look "correct", just to make visually boring crap with zero design.I can't imagine being in his shoes and thinking "yeah, I should teach"complete moron.
>>7349468lmao another dunning-kruger getting filtered by basic bitch ass shit
>>7349274Because he holds a pencil like that
>>7349435I mean, even Chris was at the point where he was making decent money off his cartoon sketches, and more people know the name "Dobson" and his art than almost any given anon here. There's also the artists that don't have any drama attached to them but still make it big just because they decided to do something with what they had. Basically, don't get complacent pointing and laughing at somebody else's art and progress when skill doesn't equate to success. I used to do the same so I get it, but I couldn't help but do some introspection when I realized that, sure, I got sorts successful... yet I've hit nowhere near the success and fame (or infamy) of people that drew much worse than me simply because they did more with their art than just sit on it.
>>7344315Whenever I see baylego he's talking about autism or retardation. It's a topic very close to him.
>>7342595is this really lunatic or is it an amogus
I often worry I’m just as bad as that meme image of the dark skinned girl with purple hair lying back and I’m just too retardo to tell.
>>7341248To be frank pencil grip is not a factor, it helps but if you’re comfortable with it and can adjust its control it should be fine. Just look at Erik Larsen, creator of Savage Dragon, he grips his pencil like a fucking neanderthal and can still draw good or Tradd Moore whose fingers look like it came out of cronenberg due to the way he draws.Not to mention there’s Neal Adams, one of the best artists in the comic industry who inspired the likes of Tetsuo Hara and Yoshitaka Amano, there’s a video of him pretty much saying that the traditional way of picking a pencil is “wrong” and the best way to draw is to hold it similar to a brush.Chris’ main issue is that he was enabled into a life of delusional grandeur due to his parents constantly babying him for his autism and refused to advance in his art studies beyond his own sketches or show any interest beside stuff like Sonic and 90s anime.
>>7341162They're both not great. 2800-4000 hours is like 3-4 years of you're practicing around 3 hours a day about 5 days a week.
>>7341198Well now I feel bad for saying this: >>7350732 he's doing really good
>>7349468His Hercules beetles aren't bad
>>7349269Long story but it's Israel's fault
>>7343231I agree, I'd say Asperger's is probably a better description for myself.
>>7350109>"similar to a brush">has never used a IRL brushI require elaboration
>>7344329Nta but I guess anon is using a no pressure g or a normal hard brush with no pressure.
>>7344407>rich but cheap country with minimal crime, minimal migration, high support for artists and you can fuck 15yo cuties legally>shitholeWe've really gone full opposite world, haven't we?
>>7346095People who are mentally well don't browse 4chan.
