ah yes the hidden deformation technique of making everyone into a 13yo girl

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Total Westroon Death

thats just a skill issue for the most part, dont draw nigger noses, pear heads and so on, beauty is objective because if it wasnt anime wouldnt have been able to be created

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>>7344426
another example and less anime. It is just a skill issue and going in the wrong direction

every other country can do it but americans

>>7344426

You’re a westerner, too.

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>>7344426
the moment you start making construction beyond a circle with a line/cross for the eyes you already lost

>>7344634
but not a westroon or westoid. We can them these things because they draw ugly things, an antithesis to anime

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>>7344650
>Brow ridge? Philtrum? Planes? Um... cringe! Is that even English?? The only anime I watch is Lucky Star.

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>>7344408

>>7344408
But he's saying "foreigner", not westerner.

>>7344905
The way this is worded is kind of bothersome. Who the fuck do nips think they are?

>>7345126
pyw to prove him wrong

If you're white and you want to draw anime then you should kill yourself.

>>7344905
What does he mean?

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>>7344408
>deformation

and they have the gall of denying quite obvious mental illness

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>>7345126
You're getting angry at the wording of a translation.

>>7344426
Bite your tongue, white brute

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>>7344650
>the moment you start making construction beyond a circle with a line/cross for the eyes you already lost
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4JitQqas3o

well what is the secret???

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>>7345598
la loomisica del japon

>>7344426
Whenever I see shit like this, I realize how fucking autistic art can get for some.

>>7344408
Old news, Hide already showed how to apply Loomis to anime

>>7344430
Looks better than any tranime

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>>7345598
>animation
anon... you are a bigger fool than i used to believe. these proportions are used specifically for animation, you dont have to be a genius to understand that manga panels are better than literal screenshots from an animated series of the same manga.

im not stupid, there are animes that have better art than manga but thats just because the implementation of good proportions, but so are you if you trying to create literal copies of anime faces instead of something with more soul than mangas

>>7344408
The instant you had sex you lost.

>>7345726
then im still in the running

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>highly opinionated nigger
>got fuck all to show for it
A tale as old as time. Youtube is filled with these people.

>>7345787
hes made like a billion drawings for pokemon

>>7345787
He really gives me the ick… just my intuition but he also seems kind of like a creep.

>>7344408
>>7344426
kill yourselves tranime fags
TOTAL CHINK CARTOON DEATH

>>7345598
But that drawing doesn't follow the construction made....

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>>7345787
He's the main illustrator of Dragalia Lost and he has also made art for Pokemon cards and Duel Masters.

Stop being disingenuous.

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>>7345840
>he's the main illustrator of a gacha and made art for throwaway shit
So fuck all then. Boichi, that mangaka, had a video in his old channel in which he showed a very worned out copy of Jack Hamm's Drawing the Head and Figure book. He said that was his pride, he copied the book cover to cover so many times that the pages were dirty. His advice carries a lot more weight than this literallywho's crab who has been drawing for decades and got fuck all out of it.

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Am I doing anime style right? I'm southern european btw

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>>7345874
other one

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>>7345860
Why the fuck would the success or literary merit of the work where his art was featured matter at all?
It depends on what you want to draw. The average Boichi female looks like this. I doubt he learned to do that solely from Hamm's. Some would want to make the more standarized anime girl found in Saito Illustrations.

>>7345874
>>7345876
100% western but very cool

>>7344905
Of course not, they're getting corrupted by westoid shitters

>>7345812
Go dilatate, freak

>>7344408
Jesus christ, whoever drew that shit should be put down. How can someone spend time of their life making something so uncanny and disgusting ?

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>>7345906
Well at leas he fixed it.

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>>7345812
>>7345787

Fuck off, he is based.

>>7344408
>be jap
>steal disney and other western animation techniques
>make hideous bug eyed traced monstrosities
>now lecture people they stole from not to do this

hes right. no one should copy this abomination.

>>7345812
agree

>>7345926
>''he is based''
>room chock full of books
>talks ad nauseam about how others should draw
>never produced anything of value
>has zero pull in the industry
>thinks he's hot shit anyway
he's the quintessential /ic/ poster

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>>7345929
Seething amerimutt, how's your industry doing? Faggot

>>7345787
>baki spin off
Huh. What does that look like? It's hard to imagine because his art is so anime centric.

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>>7346138
Seems like chibi baki.

>>7345964
Ewwww wtf is that?

>>7346245
Some nightmare fuel made by a student of the famous calarts.

>>7345931
>works don't look like ass
>gives advice that works
he's already better than the dipshit crabs and "get refs" spammers just by this alone

>>7345906
Polish your turd, bro

>>7345874
>>7345876
Not really but I like it

>>7346314
his improvement method is essentially 'get ref' (get a master to imitate and quality check against)

>>7346321
>his improvement method
which one :)

>>7345918
Basic child psychology, children may draw toes on shoe--clad feet... because the toes *are* there. So children draw noses on faces because the noses and nostrils *are* there. It's quite simple, westerners in general and americans in particular, do not grow up.
Animu style is about the shortcuts you can take becuse the brain fills in the rest, and knowing when to take them.

>>7344408
>>7345604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5qXfamBvA&t=974

I'll just paraphrase some stuff; if you suspect it's inaccurate, just watch the video instead.

The three hidden anime drawing techniques (according to Naoki Saito) are:

1. Consider the history of the style
- determine which anime styles are popular and fashionable; figure out the contemporary criteria for style judgement
- continuity and trends of anime deformity; Knowing how anime style deformity has developed over time and what types used to be popular and how they have evolved since then
- He names examples of what kind of anime eyes used to be popular and mentions that he made a video on predicting which designs will be popular in the future; also mentions that symbols are important and that eyes themselves are kinda like symbols
- ask urself: is your style an extension of the history or regressive and outdated?

2. Focus on substraction
- being too detailed with colours takes away from the deformation and adds excessive information to the image but adding information to an image quantitively doesn't improve its quality
- with colours, shading and lights etc. less is more, e. g. don't add 10 layers of detailed soft shading to a face

3. Focus on one particular part of the subject
- Prominent artists often have an abnormal attachment to something, e. g. breasts; He likens the attention to details to japanese religion (shintoism?) where there are countless gods for every little thing
- you don't need to draw the world as it is; e.g. it's common to draw an idealised concept of knee socks where they slightly dig into the leg to make the flesh bulge out more
- have faith in your preferences and highlight the part of your artwork that you want to look the most attractive

>>7344408
>Foreigners
This is foreigner manipulation

>>7346396
So removing the esoteric bullshit.
1. study anime styles
2. Simplify
3. Focal point

>>7346396
He murdered every single western wanna be anime artist. Glorious

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>>7345918
I have a different take from him, I felt it only take a little bit of modifications, mainly the way eyes is constructed and rendering of the nose, it needs to embrace the angularity of facial landmarks.

>>7346436
I mean your fix is good too but it doesn't look anime which was the purpose of it

>>7345860
do u have the link of this video? i love boichi, so it would be cool to know wat books he would recommend

>>7346578
Long story short someone allegedly sent CP to the google drive he had opened for viewers to send their art so his channel got pruned . That video doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately.

>>7344426
>>7344430
But this is westoid sloppa.

>>7344884
>>7344650
Very west-adjacent.

>>7345714
>Westoid visual noise tier garbage pic
Opinion discarded.

>>7346436
>>7345876
>>7345874
>>7345860
Vey western-adjacent of you guys.

>>7346438
>good
>doesn’t look anime
pick one and only one.

>>7346629
Krenz west adjacent lol

>>7346638
>western-adjacent
is this the new reddit buzzword?

>>7346644
My bad, it’s not adjacent but truly westoid.

>chinese
>koreans
>americans
What’s their problem? Why can’t they see that their style is ugly and mangled?

>>7344408
How did chinks, seaniggers and spics managed to pull it off but not westoids?

>>7346668
>managed to pull it off
Press X to doubt.

We need another "guess the poster's country" thread

>>7346584
Wait, that exactly happened to the first channel of this Saito guy, are you confusing them or it did happen twice lol

>>7346641
Anon, he was just being nice, geez.

>>7346668
europeans too

>>7345918
>thinner face/neck
>fixed perspective error on the eyes
>eye shadows and contrast
>vanishing nose
>shinier lips
>removing excess lines
pic is only 40% better, still doesn't look like a good anime pic

>>7346436
>more lip detail
>better eye shape
>straighter nose shape
>slightly better shading on the face/neck
pic is like 25% better, still doesn't look like a good anime pic, but a bad photo ref/stylization attempt

The reality is that all you need to draw anime is to know asian beauty standards. The thin face, big eyes, thick eyelashes, double eyelids, almost missing nose and slightly plump lips are very important. If you make a wider face you're making a childish face and it needs huge eyes and wide mouth or it's "wrong" in their eyes. Because asians have such flat faces they are naturally obsessed about such features rather than the whole face balance like westerners. It's why most kpop girls look exactly the same, it's one standard for everyone. The japs have maybe 2-3 accepted types. The chinese seem to only have one too

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>>7346691
A friend

>>7346668
You learn from ameritroon books, Marc brunette and those other talentless hacks you call art gods. Your style gets poisoned by their shit advice and you are unable go through the anime route anymore.

>>7347010
Is this how you get new permabeg members for /asg/ lol?

>>7346793
>Some malicious retard couldn't possibly have done the same thing to multiple people
Use your brain. People like to ruin good things all the time.

>>7345126
Have you seen the state of western animation

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>>7344408
I mean im a filthy westoid anime like rocketscience if you can learn loomis you can learn anime styling. it has its own rules but you just have to learn those rules which requires observation. Western artists typically have a *I'm doing things my way* especially in the states. I'm guilty of that as well.

Im anime adjacent tho closer to koreans but anyone that says people cant learn how to do anime is trolling desu.

>>7347068
>if you can learn loomis you can learn anime styling
I hope you're not talking about that turd you just posted.

>>7347077
you should probably look at the mappa animation staff my guy dont be stupid

>>7347081
>Using crappa as precedent
lmao ngmi

>>7347082
ive literally already made it lol dont be a crab. You have the opportunity to study and learn these things they arent rocket science. You can make it!

>>7347087
Do you draw characters for non-asian mobile games?

>>7347107
I worked in AA very briefly in AAA hated it

I just work on AA porn now its alot more freedom. But no I don't work on mobile games I hate the visual styles associated with them.

>>7344430
Oooo Me like

>>7347113
Very cool. I wouldn't know how to sell porn art online and without having it connected to my irl name and accounts etc... I'd personally feel self-conscious about being judged for it if people found out. Do you ever get paranoid about it affecting your credit or having it reach the part of your audience that only knows you for sfw art or anything like that? Or are you really focused on just being in the industry and don't really care about social media followers or the public eye or stuff like that and just do your thing?

>>7346245
Stunning and brave that's what it is.

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>>7346668
They don't copy settei or screen caps and also they are fence sitters.

>Wants to draw anime
>Doesn't study anime
Total Westroon Death btw

>>7346668
There's tons of western artist that do the anime style well, genuinely don't understand what you faggots are talking about with "the west is terrible at anime style" shit. Modern anime style is such derivative shlock anyway, no idea why anyone aspires to just be an A1 pictures/kyoani clone doling out pinups on a white background on twitter.

>>7347370
In fact, there is already a thread where some anons are tearing these retards new holes by proving them wrong.

>>7347172
Yea all the time, I take alot of precautions. I avoid personal commissions like the plague because individuals have alot less to lose with leaking that kind of info. (assuming you're using paypal and it says your name). Not showing people your actual work, which has drawbacks, so it means working with people you trust primarily. And personally I just avoid social media on both ends im here for the art not the people.

>>7346396
Actually great insight. Thanks faggot!

>>7345918
His version also looks like shit lol

>>7345126
Why do you think we bombed them? If the world is about gooning to child looking dollpeople, then burn everyone. I would happily nuke you all to ashes to keep goonshit from ever being the standard of living.

>>7347406
Thanks for the advice!

>>7347743 bait.jpg
>We bombed Japan because anime sucks!
People will really pull any shit from their ass and proudly present it to the internet

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secret Japanese style folded 1000 times, very honorabur

>>7347917
Reaks of westoid hands

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>>7344408
Too easy

>>7347969
The eyelashes aren't the same length. Otherwise it looks good.

>>7347969
>not removing the mole
ngmi

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Here is my take. No Asian jeans were involved.

>>7346396
I knew all this already and I'm a milk drinking 6'4" green eyed Yamnaya from the centre of Europe.

>>7347996
>No Asian jeans were involved.
Obviously

>>7348040
Let’s see your take

>>7348043
He won’t post anything because he is either a nodraw faggot or a perma/beg/ crab.

>>7344650
>>Hey dude look at this AI art it looks so good!
>Face looks like it was hit by a shovel

>>7348043
Im just saying you dont have the skill to brag about not having asian jeans. It's funny as fuck. You made something that immediately clocks you as a westerner and then bragged about not being asian.

If you hadn't said that, nobody would be making fun of you right now.

>>7348043
>>7348052
>Gets cocky
>Gets made fun of for being cocky
>"P-post your work! You won't! You dont even draw!"
>Haha yeah, thats right, take that! I'm not in the wrong, I played PYW, now you are!

>>7348059
>>7348061
All this blogposting just to prove him right.

>>7348065
It takes time to draw, retard.

>>7348059
>If you hadn't said that, nobody would be making fun of you right now.
It's just you, everyone else wants to see your work.

>>7345918
if it looks off its always the nose.

>>7348059
Bro said let’s see your work and you started to have a meltdown with your rant. Lmao Also, you alone talking shit isn’t everyone making fun of him. The DK is insane with crabs on this board. Lel

I wonder if the Japanese are proud of their culture and animation being so popular in the west

>>7347996
Jesus christ...

>>7348120
The Japanese do not think about the west at all.

Vast majority of modern "artists" draw in tranime style tho

>>7347996
>put the entire face in perspective, but not the mouth
You're this close to greatness, anon

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>>7348331
>he doesn't know

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>>7344408
How'd I do?

>>7348129
They think a lot about what the West thinks of Japan, Japanese people and Japanese stuff. But they're not particularly interested in Western culture itself except as a cool decoration and they don't give a fuck about Western media (anymore).

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>>7348389
played with it a bit more

>>7348341
>lips clearly protruding in the final image

>>7347996
>entire mouth sliding away

>>7348416
really cute, anon. Except your neck connects to the skull in a random place, it's so stylized that you could just connect the back of the hair/skull behind the ear and it'll be good.

>>7344408
That doesn't look western at all though. That just looks like an anime drawing with a well defined nose. Western styles have more subtle difference like the eyes too close together, thick and rigid lines or very angular form definition

>>7346436
This is a perfect example

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>>7348420
i don't think you are familiar with anime styles. it's a thing with most anime styles where the mouth is shifted slightly.

>>7348428
The guy is Japanese equivalent of an incel thinking his tranime shit can't be replaced by anyone else. Even his attempt is weak as fuck anyway which makes this whole ordeal more ironic.

>everyone shitting on naoki saito
i remember a year or two ago the animefags praised him like a god, what changed

>>7344408
holy shit this guy showed up in my youtube feed yesterday and I watched a video of his beginner advice
his advice was:
>stop thinking "how do I draw x"
>and "I like how I drew the eye, but I need to draw noses better"
>on your white background anime girl sketches
>just shut the fuck up and finish a complete piece, with colour and background
>then finish four more complete pieces with colour and background
>then you can talk

>>7348479
Post your work, westoid

>>7348475
There are shitposters from plebbit disliking him now is what changed. He is still a god.

Here is my take. No Asian jeans were involved.
>>7348509

>>7347057
this isn't due to western animation being shit it's due to western countries not having enough degenerates willing to make 1000
>my little sister has huge tits and wants to have sex with me
shows and even if that was the case the fat retards who will consume it and spend their neetbux on itwon't give it a shot because it's not japanese. tangent about japanese degens aside the reason why the animation industry is in shambles is because animators actually get somewhat fair pay so the animation industry can only produce 3 to 10 max shows a year and even then half of the mwill be slop a third will be family guy ripoffs and the rest will be kino but be ignored because it's not japanese (literally everything bobbypills made(including peepodoo and the super fuck friends))

>>7347996
pretty good shit. i dont know why crabs are picking on this guy.

>>7348684
How about you learn proper punctuation, illiterate fuck?

>>7348694
take your pills you rabid dog

>>7348579
Looks very nice! I was reminded of Es from Alter Ego for some reason, even though she looks so different. Maybe something in her gaze...

>>7348684
Honestly not even japs like anime anymore. A fuck ton of anime doesn't get merch at all, I don't even know why some of it is made. It's slop, not animated well, and they don't make money off of selling stuff, why was it made. Right now japanese are into Chinese gacha and vtubers

>>7348909
Zoomers are not people, they do not count. A good portion of faithful otaku still buy merch, keeping anime viable. Oh, and animators being cheap as fuck (including filthy western freelancers) definitely helps

>>7348934
It's not zoomers, a lot of old vocaloid producers and game devs I follow are into vtubers and gacha garbage (mostly the vtubers though). They like old shit too but they're not watching new anime. Unless early 30s is zoomer now I guess.

>>7348939
not just zoomers I mean.

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>>7348892
Yes that must be it

>>7346396
>starts talking about their religion of having 8million gods in everything
>this is why we put needles in tofu
>this is why we remove noses and make everything coomer prease anddastandu

>>7345651
oodly phallic

>>7345926
Ick. Would not have sex with that dude

>>7346149
Baking has the ugliest art known to man. The whole thing looks like it was drawn by an American bara fetish artist circle 2004.

>>7348429
And these are all amateur shit. All of the good anime styles that everyone jerks off to have their mouths in proper perspective

>>7349197
Even the artist in OP does it with 3/4 angles. Lmao You are showing your dk.

>>7349197
you sound extremely Chinese

>>7348989
It was just a roundabout way to say they are fetishistic, that's why they focus on details rather than the whole piece.

Is there resources that teach actual japanese style drawing that isn't how to draw manga tier?

I feel like Japanese people simply do not want to share their techniques with us. They don't follow the fundamentals like we westerners do.

>>7349347
Your first mistake is thinking there is "a style", in reality there are a myriad of styles, each author might have his own. There are tons of manga pages and anime frames out there you can study. You want to draw like Boichi? Go study Boichi. You want to draw like Dragon ball? Just study Toriyama.

Also japanese artists do study fundies, it's just that they know how to deform such rules to acquire a personal style, often by copying another previous artist. Just so you know the "modern" anime aesthetic was birth from people ripping off Osamu Tezuka then adding their own twist to it, incrementally.

>>7349366
You are the only one that's mistaken. When the non-Japanese try to imitate anime there is always something off about their art. Like something very nuanced can be only explained how they were raised compared to the Japanese who were exposed to anime and Japanese culture from the moment of their birth and their genetic lineage over thousands of years breeding the talent for this type of art style. As seen from the cheap imitations from this thread it's very obviously a thing.

>>7349377
actual mental illness

>>7348429
Artist name?

>>7348416
Look cool. Also, what brush?

>>7349347
It's not a style, but an entire 'worldview' on art if you will. An aesthetic that follows its own internal language and rules that values looking good over subservience to some modern ideas about 3D.
Just don't 'consume' westoid media, learn to appreciate true 2D beauty and you will be fine by learning from Japanese YouTube.
>I feel like Japanese people simply do not want to share their techniques with us.
See above. Japanese YouTube is great, I assume you're naturally already learning Japanese.
>>7349377
To westoids the anime aesthetic is 'mysterious' because of their denial of objective beauty and worship of ugliness. They can kind of see the bigger picture (anime has... um... big eyes!) but they can't see how the parts connect together in a coherent way amongst themselves and their connection to culture beyond the pieces of art. I suspect western artists are largely sort of 'NPCs' when it comes to art in that they can't see how their art really looks when trying to draw anime. You can find a lot of western artists on YouTube showing what they genuinely think is progress when it's actually a regress, their whole way of seeing 2D art is damaged.

thousand-times folded secret japanese technique of using morpho and scott robertson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy_4g-jTkgY

>>7349347
its actually not that hard, americans just overcomplicate it somehow. ill give you a hint: look into how animators study
if you are high iq enough you can figure it out (not possible if you are american)

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日本語ですか?!!

>>7349462
that means japanese language, retard

>>7349462
Poor girl broke her neck

>>7349478
fatass

>>7349462
back to genki you faggot

>>7349482
I'm not saying she is thin, ESL-kun.

>>7349347
This might help
https://e-hentai.org/g/3043503/4cbf714640/
Also master copies from shows and artists you like and youtube channels like OP's, Hide and Akihito Yoshitomi along with regular fundies like life drawing, perspective and so on.

>>7344408
Finally, someone said it.

>>7349462
Jesus Christ...

>>7349421
please no, I hate Scott

>>7349462
Oops! The kanji you were looking for was 日本人!
「日本人ですか?」
Please review kanji lesson 1 and try again!

goddamn so many crabs in this thread. this is why most weebs should be sterilised.

>>7349780
So draw instead of complaining, anon-kun.

>>7349793
i do unlike you craboids

>>7349859
Show us your drawing :)

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>>7349877
your turn now

>>7349907
Already have. Thanks for your contributuon ;)

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>>7349404
thanks :)
default pixel brush on drawpile - 2px size

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>>7348918
I really love this one
it's got a N64 polygonal feel to it
Nice work anon

>>7349907
I kneel...

>>7349916
looks like 90s gainax

>>7349913
Thanks!

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idk

>>7344408
>chooses an obviously bad drawing as a criticism of americanized anime

whats his problem

Is 'deformation' just a bad translation of 'simplification'?

>>7350110
its closer to abstraction imo

>>7350110
they call chibi drawings SD (i.e. super deformed) which implies it also has to do with proportion

>>7350014
cute as fuck

>>7350014
definitely radiator tier if not laundry room

>>7350014
Very cute!

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>>7344408
It not a secret Naoki or even you retard OP kun
>don't draw nose just draw / or .
>chins are a no no draw shovel face
>unless you're an actual artist with skill

>>7344426
>>7349406
>objective beauty
You're such a subhumane holy shit. You're right that there are objective elemtns to beauty and that it should be cherished.
But they gay derivative moeshit generic anime slop style is not it. It's Disney from the 40s-50s, even renaissance disney, a lot of Japanese artists, Otome, Muira, Togashi, Toriyama, Nihei, Boichi.

In fact most great Japanese mangaka don't paint in the generic moeslop style.

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>>7350780
>>>objective beauty
>You're such a subhumane holy shit. You're right that there are objective elemtns to beauty and that it should be cherished.
>But they gay derivative moeshit generic anime slop style is not it. It's Disney from the 40s-50s, even renaissance disney, a lot of Japanese artists, Otome, Muira, Togashi, Toriyama, Nihei, Boichi.
>
>In fact most great Japanese mangaka don't paint in the generic moeslop style.

>>7350812
Westoid cope. Pathetic

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>Anon! ... your pencil ... IS SO BIG ... can you draw me?

>>7350780
My indicator for objective beauty is that it makes my dick hard. Disney doesn't, moeslop does. End of question.

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>>7351275
If AItroonies have no pencil does that mean they're post-op?

>>7344905
the japanese didn't even know what perspective was until they saw european art

>>7351275
Can tell its ai slop from the thumbnail