What do you think about this guy? He's your typical "artist wanna be" turbo autist who got a golden ticket to do whatever an artsy autist feels it needs to be done to "make it". He's renting a huge studio in NYC, he made an art trip to Europe with a bunch of people, he just did a failed art exposition in Down town NY with his crappy shit, and he's using "his" own money. He seems to be using the UNI money for this and he's going at it all gas no brakes. He's gonna crash eventually and it's gonna be epic.His art sucks, but I think that such epic and "based retarded" effort deserves the attention of everyone here, to see what happens when you got yourself high in your own delusions. This guy is setting himself on fire for art, and he doesn't give a fuck, till he start feeling the flames, that is.
He could not sell a single painting in the three days of his art exposition. That showroom must have cost at least 50000 dollars minimum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGEVu_-pEws
>>7346288ooh so paid in part with his Patreon money and maybe Youtube dollars.
>>7346288this guy would've sold something if he didn't look like projared's mitotic split with a lispy, about to cry voice
>>7346296I was thinking about that at the end of the video. Poor guy oozes below zero charisma. That's no good for someone investing so much into being an art "personality".
>>7346279he should stick to drawing his weird cartoony paintings. At least they can be interesting.painting things realistic but the skill is not there yet is jarring JakeDontDraw is another trad influencer artist that I dislike but he at least grinds realistic painting a lot. Slew can have all the money to hire models and costumes but it means little if can not paint what he sees.
>>7346279$5000 for one of his paintings?
>>7346330It could be worth millions one day... that's a no brainer business wise.
He looks like enough of a faggot to be the person making this post in order to get people to engage with his slop.
HIs art is generic and all over the place. It's just boring. I genuinely thought his work was ai generated.
>>7346279I agree his art sucks, but at least he's trying and putting himself out there. He set up an atelier in NYC which is expensive as fuck, so he's not scamming people in return for nothing. I hate the poses he sets there though, some silly video game pose with a stupid costume. I agree that his taste is awful, but he might inspire people with better taste.
>>7346279Not defending him since i think his art is very generic kitsch garbage made to appeal to the lowest common denominator but why are you having a meltdown over him trying to do something? Pyw faggot i bet you cant even draw.
>>7346334>It could be worth millions one day... that's a no brainer business wise.But is it worth anything now? The answer is no. He should be charging based on materials, the cost of the exhibition hall, and what he prices his hourly rate (which shouldn't be very high, as his paintings are both, not very good, and not seen as worth much).Once your paintings are selling, and you have regular clientele purchasing your paintings as investments, THEN you can price your work as such - you don't do it right out the gate, it just makes you look like a pompous asshole.
>>7346279I saw his video yesterday. His art is shit, but he is not shilling ai, he is using real models, costumes etc. as reference. I dont think he is a grifter, i do believe he likes art. And this is more, then i can say about so much professional artist, so many of them showed what pieces of shit they are in the last couple of years, whit all this photobashing, nft and ai grift. Many people i bought books or downloaded lessons from are mfs i would like to spit in the face now.BUT his art is shit, what a stupid mixture of graffitie, pop art and dutch realism. Is just bad and ugly, he has no idea about technique, he has no style, his body of work is not holistic.He is 100% ngmi.Its sad, he deserved it to have more talent for sure.
>>7346935>he deserved it to have more talent for sureThat's exactly the expression that I was looking for. lolHe has the will, the heart, and the monetary resources (for now), but he lacks everything else.
>>7346935he should just go be an art director somewhere, he's more than capable of producing for Wizards of the Coast or a game company but he's trying and failing to make fantasy art slop into fine art and that will just never happen.
>>7346961even people like Frazetta are somewhat looked down in the fine art world because of the subject matter, and Frazetta is a million times better than this dude will ever be.
thread full of retards
>>7346969shut up, Slew
>>7346961Well, you're onto something right there. The whole fine art fantasy movement it's getting murdered by its own retarded incapacity to build media presence. Events like Illuxcon or the Art Renewal Center international competition have ZERO marketing in the mainstream art community, those events are like ghosts being further forgotten year after year. No one talks about it. And this guy may be the only one suited to tap into that forgotten art movement and take full advantage of it. Jeff Watt, ain't doing it, Porko ain't doing it, Noah Bradley is burnt and done doing his soft porn gig with his wife, all of the others are digital fags so they are out of the question.This SLEW guy is the only one doing traditional art at a "good enough" level to be the voice of that dying movement. He should take it and run with it.He should go to the Art Renewal Center, be in their expositions and promote that even, same with ILLUXCON, he's the only one with the will to build content around that fine art genre.
>>7346279Slew is a cool guy. Pretty chill.h08va
>>7346324This is ugly as shit, WHO IS THIS FOR? Why would someone hang this up instead of something pretty?
>>7347575Define "pretty"
>>7347575when Jackson Pollock and other bullshit artist were pushed by CIA in the 50s, It's already over for art market
>>7346935>He is 100% ngmi.the thing is that he earns tons of money by hustling but he spends TONS of money doing nonprofit shit which begs the real question how much does he earn monthly to justify 10k-20k monthly spending
>>7347602what does he do i dont even get it, run the most mid atelier in all of NY? how does that work when Art Students League offers classes for less than a community college taught by actual pros?
>>7346279I don't get the comments being nice and saying his art is bad but he's at least trying. Is /ic/ being sympathetic to this guy because he's bad at art, ugly, and has 0 charisma?
>>7347609He's weirdly pushing this "non-profit foundation" and all that "charity" bullshit, that youtubers do now for big funds and their schemes for laundering money and tax evasion. My guess is that Slew is doing his own money laundering little gig with mom's money:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19RTuTxvzG8
>>7347609> what does he do i dont even get it, run the most mid atelier in all of NY? how does that work when Art Students Leaguebro the school he did? It was for FREE. I bet half of the people who attend these sessions are better than Slew. He must be pretty rich to comfortably do this or pay for the art competition. Make sense considering that advertisement and sponsorship love these kinds of content creators
>>7347625oh hes like a mr beast but for art. i hate him even more now.
>>7347600Pollock was not a bullshit artist, but he paved the way for many extremely underwhelming people. People who didn't understand what made his works, work.
>>73475782 words, anime girls.
>>7347625Well, that sounds shady as fuck if you ask me, (or anybody)
>>7347627>>7347619>>7347637kek he even has a section for his taxes on the org https://youtu.be/o5UCQnr9UM4?si=DB5ByR-gM4l42_3e&t=765
>>7347639>"If you do donate, you can write that off on your taxes">Oh really? No shit! SLEW, buddy how can I "write off" from my taxes a couple millions?This retard is going to jail, no doubt about it. This scams are not supposed to be promoted like this. This "charity" tax evasion "legal loophole" has been tearing down america piece by piece for the last 30 years.And when even a retard like SLEW can get into that "legal" laundering wagon and make a big promotion about it, it means that shit just hit the fan, and the scheme is over and done.
>15,000 for the girl's painting>4,000 for the hand holding the swordC'mon, man...
>>7347664This guy has zero self-awareness. You either have it or you don't, it's clear as daylight this guy doesn't have it.Why not stick to stencils and be a humble artist living a humble life, I bet he'd be happier.
>>7346279>He's gonna crash eventually and it's gonna be epic.I hope so, and deservedly so. The true nightmare outcome would be if he gets propped up like other fake artists and ghost billionaires buying his slop to pretend he has value.
qrd on who he is?
>>7346279He has no value and edge controlAlso wtf is that makeup, why you do this america?
>>7347696she looks disabled, or like someone slipped with the liquify tool on her left half
>ITT crabbing on some literalwho artist OP saw on social mediaWe should just delete /ic/ at this point. It would be a mercy killing. Anyone who really wants to draw should migrate to /i/
>>7347721Are you some kind of newfag? Most of the roasting threads are the artists themselves promoting their shit here. It's about the numbers, I'm just playing along because I'm bored as hell.
"Not my problem."That sums up my opinion.Retards are paying for made-up recipes with powdered gold to feel like the elite. Buying NFT to feel like investors. Bribing women for feet pics to feel like they are in control. Siphoning all their money into fortune tellers who will bring their ex-husband back, or into a therapist to tell them it's not their fault.This is just another drop of shit in the cesspool, I am merely a poor fuck cursed with the ability to reason in a world where its only practical application is swindling other less capable "people".Larping faggots will be larping faggots and it's not something in my control, all I can do is (strive to) make art worth sharing and live a proper life, surrounded by people who are not braindead if possible.
>>7347609>Art Students LeagueASL had Grimaldi and Dan Thompson teaching there at some point, fucking incredible. But in Slew's defense, getting into ASL or some other fancy atelier is a big commitment, and can be intimidating for a newbie. I think mid ateliers serve a purpose, they are the gateway drug for people with actual talent and dedication. People just starting out can go to Slew, do a few sessions and realize they really want to pursue that, and eventually they'll hear about a real place like ASL or GCA and end up there.
>>7347721>OP sawI'm pretty sure the OP is the Youtuber himself
>>7347744you said it. you're a lot more free when you realize you don't need to give a single shit about almost anyone else. most things that that you find annoying, stupid, controversial, you can literally just ignore. in the end it has nothing to do with us and nothing changes by our knowledge or interacting with it. we could instead spend time on our own pursuits.
>>7346279God I just checked out a couple of his videos and it is worse than anyone here would have guessedThe 3-part video girl painting goes like this> Can you guess what that painting is about?>It was supposed to be Medusa looking back at her old self >Yeah, those are snakes on her hair not just recolor>"Medusa" looks barely different from her old self. > turns out this is a redraw of ANOTHER drawing that has the same idea but is better executed (see the image). Talk about creative bankrupt>Hire models and costumes to take reference images>Can NOT edit himself so he hires a PRO editor to spoonfeed his art process>700$ canvas> Take 2 weeks for this >Got the "perfect" edited image to paint>CAN'T even copy the image but have to trace using the projector to create his "art"> struggles greatly and has to admit that he likes composing the photo and "his" idea more than actually painting (No I did not make this up) >"Are you wondering why the girl and her reflection don't match? It will be explained in my book"This is a disaster worse than Proko fetus.
>>7347804it's true the photo came out miles better than the final art. All the strong color contrast goes away in the painting
>>7347804Holy fuck, i was actually defending this hack at first glance for trying to do something but fuck him. It turns out he is a total charlatan.
>>7347804>Got the "perfect" edited image to paintLol, ultra noob mistake. The edited photos are shit for the most part. You use edited photos, only if you are a photorealtard and you copy the photo pixel for pixel.For everything else, you want to have plane pictures, so you can "edit" them with paint.
>>7347804He should've hosted an art contest with that topic and used the initial drawing as "inspiration" for his audience instead of trying to redraw it on an overly expensive canvas. Because this is just sad. >>7347744This is so accurate
>>7347770ASL accepts everyone and has drop in studio practice with the figure regularly. The entire point of ASL is to teach young and beginner artists without all the academic gatekeeping and at a low cost. Bridgman taught there for twenty years and his successor Robert Hale. The student alumni is pretty impressive as well, Rockwell & Pollock both took anatomy classes at ASL. You can take online classes too but they are pricier and the options are more limited. If you live in NY its basically the best price to value ratio for art education in the world - you get weekly critiques by people as good as Vilppu for like $200/mon.Example of their long running anatomy program:https://studioclasses.artstudentsleague.org/course/Porcu-Anatomy-for-Artists_cd_4156_6628
I bet he would sell more if he lowered the prices of his works and focused on a more general audience. The prices and sites he is using are for modern artists who want to sell to millionaires, while his works seem more suited to a younger audience.>>7347804>"Are you wondering why the girl and her reflection don't match? It will be explained in my book"Kek.
>>7346279I feel like I could have ended up with similiar delusions had I not learned to be self critical. Had I simply believed normies saying "ooh nice picture anon"..Coming up with intricate excuses for why things look a certain way instead of simply admitting to myself whenever it needs more work. That maybe I'm not where I'd like to be or need to be in order to feel satisfied with my work..A self defeating (sometimes even perpetual) attitude kept in place by a psyche that betrays itself. I have had several defining moments in my own journey where I've just simply come to terms with the reality that my work is trash. A state of disillusionment. Painful but from there I started to realistically plot out what I needed to improve on. My weaknesses. Then set out to work those issues out.Maybe I have a harder time liking my work but it's only because I set high standards for it. I have something to aspire to and I will get there when I get there. Most importantly to me is to live up to my own expectations.This kind of mindset displayed by that artist admittedly irritates me. Representing stagnation and a rigid inability to accept objective reality. Maybe part of why is because I can relate to it. I came from there. I had to humble myself in order to advance. People can also contribute to this by never being truthful to them in the first place. Surrounded by either peers that have the same skill level or artists who's ego won't allow them to help you level up.I've found if you can learn to be your own teacher then you can go the distance. Be it all on your own.
>>7346279hes not gonna fail anytime soon I don't like his shit either but he must be really rich to sustain the things you see the crazy stuffs in his channel. this is nothing more than a vanity project rather than a financial one and he must realized it since his audiences are youtube viewers
>>7347804>turns out this is a redraw of ANOTHER drawing that has the same idea but is better executedI somehow memory holed that detail, after watching the whole three videos. That sorta invalidates the whole "project".
>>7347575Fuck off, it's cool. I miss the realistically-rendered grotesque shit. Ratfinks and whatever other "ugly" shit you would find in some garage in a Rust Belt garage. Fgk off with your gayass sameface weeaboo bullshit, we like SOUL around here.
>>7348160/ic/ is a good reality check, even crabs make you self doubt which is always good even when your art is good
>>7347770what are good ateliers?And how to recognize them?
>>7348326If you walk in and you see material PROOF of the work being done in the school, then you can immediately check if the school is bullshit or not, like Jeff Watts shows here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39OsihWtGa4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYCy6yd1gxohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV4HzaoXnTUIf student work looks good then you're in the right place. Remember you're buying a product, it is YOUR money, so you're in charge, not the guy infront of you pretending to be some superior being just because he can "draw". If he's good at drawing but he can't teach for shit, then he IS shit trying to scam people out of their money. Don't let anyone manipulate you.
>>7348343How would you know that the school is not just taking the best: they are already good, so their stuff looks good.Before-after pictures are rare and ofc can be optimized for in fraudulent ways as well.Watts Atelier is the one I knew. I looked at a couple of European ones as well. But I wonder how much it's marketing "oooh, we are in Italy!" "Paris!". Of course those are art hubs, but it feels like you always pay extra for the marketing varnish.
>>7348362Most of them are scams since Europe is a brand in itself. You need to research extensively to find good ones that aren't going to rip you off with the marketing scheme.
>>7348343>>7348370>empty vapid lukewarm iq platitudes with zero useful information what drives midwits to respond to questions they have no answer to?
>>7347804People have a completely wrong idea about drawing and painting. Its due to grafit and obscura studios marketing their 9000 pose packs. Dumbass people (99% of population) think they need an exact reference for their art, they think that accuracy is the no1 skill to have, they think they need to paint these deep epic topics.His graffoty art os also garbage but waaaay better than anything else he makes.
>>7348326Do you want to draw like Proko - he's basically a one trick pony of using extremely hard shadow edges to make things look good? If not avoid ateliers.
>>7348362>How would you know that the school is not just taking the best: they are already goodWell, at least they should have that to show. If there's no proof at all of quality work anywhere in the studio then that's a clear red flag. Usually these places have the walls plastered with beg-tier drawings of students as well, so don't take that the wrong way neither. That's fine.But even if the teacher's own drawings suck, then you know what you're getting into.Then there's the other approach, wich is to put yourself into "that" environment, a well put place, with good materials, real models, and a little community of real students in the class to interact and get real feedback. Even if the teacher sucks, if you have all of that, then that's valid too. I think that's the case with the "SLEW studio". He's putting the environment in place, it's all there, everything but the talent. lol.
>>7346279His art looks like he trained on nothing but copying AI images and his content is garbage, but, I dunno, he's trying to build something bigger than himself and his art which is respectable.
>>7348370True, but for me Europe would also be more convenient, since I am there already. the brand thing also bothers me, especially when the workshops and programmes are held in English.Optimizing for "tourists".>>7348386interesting take... and i think you are onto something>>7348388I think this is the way to go
>>7348386Proko would fail out of an Atelier at his current level. He should be a lot better to graduate...
>>7348448he literally taught at Watts
holy mother of soulless individual, may he reconvert to a bullshit social job, where he will fit in, where he will find happiness in refreshing his linkeding page, between two mint chewing gums.
>>7348380That's how Boris Valejo paints though.
>>7348209>That sorta invalidates the whole "project"it is. How can people expect quality writing in your book if even the idea of painting (even that's not really that original or interesting) is directly taken from another artist who borrows from one of the popular myths in the world?
>>7348241That is true indeed and honestly what initially helped me break out of the mindset.Honest criticism no matter how harsh is more compassionate than entertaining peoples delusions. At least then you give them a choice.
You seem to be jealous, OP.
>>7346324JakeDontDraw is based as fuck. That guy is a tradchad.
>>7346279>nepobaby “achievements”yawn
>>7346279I wanna see him make it now just to piss off OP
>>7349226 Nice try slew
>>7349221That the faggot who puts "no ai" in his thumbnails and then spends the whole video looking for aislop to reference?
>>7348448lol retard why do you think he shills watts so much
>>7349221Hello jakedontdraw, we know you lurk here
>>7349343Jakedontdraw, Dave Rapoza, Marc Brunet, Proko, Sinix. Those are the ones we know they lurk here. I bet OP is Proko trolling Slew, LMAO!
>>7349348Rapoza lurks here lmao? Amazing how every new thing I learn about him makes me respect him less.
>>7349348>Dave RapozaI hate him when he tries to imitate anime art without even going out from his comfort zone using the same brushes and textures for the anime styled art. Looks so wacky and weird.
>>7349401He's an ex-con, what else would you expect?
>>7349221>JakeDontDraw is based as fuckI like him but he constantly cries about his commenters and it is getting pretty annoying
>>7349449he is frustrated his art plateaued
>Amazing how every new thing I learn about him makes me respect him lesswhats the lore here?
>>7349498He started as a Juvenile delinquent, he robbed some stores and vehicles. He later got into arts and did some cool pics on deviant art and reached some clout traction. Then he fucked it up doing some Garfield Gender bender Loli porn, and couldn't get totally back on track after that. You can tell the guy is cornered into a posing fake persona, when he really would like to be an art troll through-and-through. But he has a family to take care of, he's a bounded broken soul now.
>>7347804I wish I had the lack of self awareness this guy has. He seems much happier.
>>7349815You really think high of yourself Slew. Good for you, I guess.
>>7349815>much happiermore confident also which is a key to success in many fields. His field is not painting its content creator so he benefits greatly.
>>7349832>His field is not painting its content creatorGood save right there Slew. You're becoming a true master on this grifter gig. Sneaky bastard.
>>7349348Proko doesn't lurk here most likely he is clueless boomer tier he didn't even know what 4chan was the last time his employee brought up the 4chan kangaroo meme.
>>7351036he knows, he almost certainly at least used to lurk here to advertise himself and check or report pirated course. surely anyone would do that in his shoes
>>7346288This guy didn't seem to quite get the memo that no one actually buys artwork at these shows simply because they like the art.Its a huge grift where buyers and artist work together behind the scenes to launder huge sums of money.
>>7346288Jesus Christ, how does this fucker afford all this. Is 300k subs on youtube enough to make you a multi millionare??
>>7346279>What do you think about this guyI pity him.He's the kind of kid who got it relatively easy, who have a few "yesmen" kind of guy around him, and who's just got slapped by life in the face.It's a great opportunity for him to progress though, he really need to be challenged to be able to truly progress. He's got some potential, but he needs to work more, deeper, be less sensitive to flattery and more objective towards what he does.
>>7351170>launder huge sums of moneyDumbest meme of ic
>>7346288>>7346296He kinda sounds like Tom Green
>>7351344I'ts quite literally been a thing since the days of Andy Warhol, and has been proven.Sorry, but no one actually thinks there is any value in painting where someone shits on the canvas. Its also the only reason NFT's like pic related can be "sold" for thousands of dollars.
>>7351170>>7351184>>7351377I don't think he expects to sell his work for that amount of money. He is a shady character in that sense, he doesn't promote a patreon, or any other usual crowd founding platform, but instead, he went all the way to legally open a "non-profit charity foundation" for HIS OWN art atelier. He's being advised by some "knowledgeable people". So he expects to receive funds above and beyond of what any other youtuber would get. Instead of putting a basket on the table to catch money, he's throwing a whole fishing net in the sea to catch everything. Youtubers collect for those charities, charities (money laundrering and tax evasion) pay influencers to promote their charities, SLEW just opened HIS OWN charity, lmao.Like he said in this video https://youtu.be/o5UCQnr9UM4?si=DB5ByR-gM4l42_3e&t=765>"If you do donate, you can write that off on your taxes"He's not aiming at your usual youtube viewer/follower, when he said THAT. He was talking about OTHER kind of "people": Anyone in need of "writing off tax money". You can't get more shady than that, and I don't know if he is 100% aware of what he is doing. He may think that he can "control" the beast, but when truckloads of "strange money" start banging at his door we will see the real Slew. He will start painting lambos and ferraris, and filling pools with oils...
>>7346296exactly this, the fine art world is like 95% presentation and branding. the types that buy art generally want to invest in a person's name. This is part of the reason why most fine artists are insufferable, they have to cultivate a personal mystique. guy's appearance isn't the main problem, in the op picture he reasonably looks the part. it's his voice, his diction. It all reeks of suburban middle class bro who doodles in class so that if fate were a little different, he would be tattoing the tasmanian devil on some white trash rump. And his art signals that, it's juvenile and not in a pretentiously playful way. it's too bad, because he does seem passionate and genuine, but that world is not for him. it's not for most of anyone who is authentic, really.still he's found success in a different niche and we can't begrudge him that.
