What do you think about this guy? He's your typical "artist wanna be" turbo autist who got a golden ticket to do whatever an artsy autist feels it needs to be done to "make it". He's renting a huge studio in NYC, he made an art trip to Europe with a bunch of people, he just did a failed art exposition in Down town NY with his crappy shit, and he's using "his" own money. He seems to be using the UNI money for this and he's going at it all gas no brakes. He's gonna crash eventually and it's gonna be epic.His art sucks, but I think that such epic and "based retarded" effort deserves the attention of everyone here, to see what happens when you got yourself high in your own delusions. This guy is setting himself on fire for art, and he doesn't give a fuck, till he start feeling the flames, that is.
He could not sell a single painting in the three days of his art exposition. That showroom must have cost at least 50000 dollars minimum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGEVu_-pEws
>>7346288ooh so paid in part with his Patreon money and maybe Youtube dollars.
>>7346288this guy would've sold something if he didn't look like projared's mitotic split with a lispy, about to cry voice
>>7346296I was thinking about that at the end of the video. Poor guy oozes below zero charisma. That's no good for someone investing so much into being an art "personality".
>>7346279he should stick to drawing his weird cartoony paintings. At least they can be interesting.painting things realistic but the skill is not there yet is jarring JakeDontDraw is another trad influencer artist that I dislike but he at least grinds realistic painting a lot. Slew can have all the money to hire models and costumes but it means little if can not paint what he sees.
>>7346279$5000 for one of his paintings?
>>7346330It could be worth millions one day... that's a no brainer business wise.
He looks like enough of a faggot to be the person making this post in order to get people to engage with his slop.
HIs art is generic and all over the place. It's just boring. I genuinely thought his work was ai generated.
>>7346279I agree his art sucks, but at least he's trying and putting himself out there. He set up an atelier in NYC which is expensive as fuck, so he's not scamming people in return for nothing. I hate the poses he sets there though, some silly video game pose with a stupid costume. I agree that his taste is awful, but he might inspire people with better taste.
>>7346279Not defending him since i think his art is very generic kitsch garbage made to appeal to the lowest common denominator but why are you having a meltdown over him trying to do something? Pyw faggot i bet you cant even draw.
>>7346334>It could be worth millions one day... that's a no brainer business wise.But is it worth anything now? The answer is no. He should be charging based on materials, the cost of the exhibition hall, and what he prices his hourly rate (which shouldn't be very high, as his paintings are both, not very good, and not seen as worth much).Once your paintings are selling, and you have regular clientele purchasing your paintings as investments, THEN you can price your work as such - you don't do it right out the gate, it just makes you look like a pompous asshole.
>>7346279I saw his video yesterday. His art is shit, but he is not shilling ai, he is using real models, costumes etc. as reference. I dont think he is a grifter, i do believe he likes art. And this is more, then i can say about so much professional artist, so many of them showed what pieces of shit they are in the last couple of years, whit all this photobashing, nft and ai grift. Many people i bought books or downloaded lessons from are mfs i would like to spit in the face now.BUT his art is shit, what a stupid mixture of graffitie, pop art and dutch realism. Is just bad and ugly, he has no idea about technique, he has no style, his body of work is not holistic.He is 100% ngmi.Its sad, he deserved it to have more talent for sure.
>>7346935>he deserved it to have more talent for sureThat's exactly the expression that I was looking for. lolHe has the will, the heart, and the monetary resources (for now), but he lacks everything else.
>>7346935he should just go be an art director somewhere, he's more than capable of producing for Wizards of the Coast or a game company but he's trying and failing to make fantasy art slop into fine art and that will just never happen.
>>7346961even people like Frazetta are somewhat looked down in the fine art world because of the subject matter, and Frazetta is a million times better than this dude will ever be.
thread full of retards
>>7346969shut up, Slew
>>7346961Well, you're onto something right there. The whole fine art fantasy movement it's getting murdered by its own retarded incapacity to build media presence. Events like Illuxcon or the Art Renewal Center international competition have ZERO marketing in the mainstream art community, those events are like ghosts being further forgotten year after year. No one talks about it. And this guy may be the only one suited to tap into that forgotten art movement and take full advantage of it. Jeff Watt, ain't doing it, Porko ain't doing it, Noah Bradley is burnt and done doing his soft porn gig with his wife, all of the others are digital fags so they are out of the question.This SLEW guy is the only one doing traditional art at a "good enough" level to be the voice of that dying movement. He should take it and run with it.He should go to the Art Renewal Center, be in their expositions and promote that even, same with ILLUXCON, he's the only one with the will to build content around that fine art genre.
>>7346279Slew is a cool guy. Pretty chill.h08va
>>7346324This is ugly as shit, WHO IS THIS FOR? Why would someone hang this up instead of something pretty?
>>7347575Define "pretty"
>>7347575when Jackson Pollock and other bullshit artist were pushed by CIA in the 50s, It's already over for art market
>>7346935>He is 100% ngmi.the thing is that he earns tons of money by hustling but he spends TONS of money doing nonprofit shit which begs the real question how much does he earn monthly to justify 10k-20k monthly spending
>>7347602what does he do i dont even get it, run the most mid atelier in all of NY? how does that work when Art Students League offers classes for less than a community college taught by actual pros?
>>7346279I don't get the comments being nice and saying his art is bad but he's at least trying. Is /ic/ being sympathetic to this guy because he's bad at art, ugly, and has 0 charisma?
>>7347609He's weirdly pushing this "non-profit foundation" and all that "charity" bullshit, that youtubers do now for big funds and their schemes for laundering money and tax evasion. My guess is that Slew is doing his own money laundering little gig with mom's money:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19RTuTxvzG8
>>7347609> what does he do i dont even get it, run the most mid atelier in all of NY? how does that work when Art Students Leaguebro the school he did? It was for FREE. I bet half of the people who attend these sessions are better than Slew. He must be pretty rich to comfortably do this or pay for the art competition. Make sense considering that advertisement and sponsorship love these kinds of content creators
>>7347625oh hes like a mr beast but for art. i hate him even more now.
>>7347600Pollock was not a bullshit artist, but he paved the way for many extremely underwhelming people. People who didn't understand what made his works, work.
>>73475782 words, anime girls.
>>7347625Well, that sounds shady as fuck if you ask me, (or anybody)
>>7347627>>7347619>>7347637kek he even has a section for his taxes on the org https://youtu.be/o5UCQnr9UM4?si=DB5ByR-gM4l42_3e&t=765
>>7347639>"If you do donate, you can write that off on your taxes">Oh really? No shit! SLEW, buddy how can I "write off" from my taxes a couple millions?This retard is going to jail, no doubt about it. This scams are not supposed to be promoted like this. This "charity" tax evasion "legal loophole" has been tearing down america piece by piece for the last 30 years.And when even a retard like SLEW can get into that "legal" laundering wagon and make a big promotion about it, it means that shit just hit the fan, and the scheme is over and done.
>15,000 for the girl's painting>4,000 for the hand holding the swordC'mon, man...
>>7347664This guy has zero self-awareness. You either have it or you don't, it's clear as daylight this guy doesn't have it.Why not stick to stencils and be a humble artist living a humble life, I bet he'd be happier.
>>7346279>He's gonna crash eventually and it's gonna be epic.I hope so, and deservedly so. The true nightmare outcome would be if he gets propped up like other fake artists and ghost billionaires buying his slop to pretend he has value.
>>7347696she looks disabled, or like someone slipped with the liquify tool on her left half
>ITT crabbing on some literalwho artist OP saw on social mediaWe should just delete /ic/ at this point. It would be a mercy killing. Anyone who really wants to draw should migrate to /i/
>>7347721Are you some kind of newfag? Most of the roasting threads are the artists themselves promoting their shit here. It's about the numbers, I'm just playing along because I'm bored as hell.
"Not my problem."That sums up my opinion.Retards are paying for made-up recipes with powdered gold to feel like the elite. Buying NFT to feel like investors. Bribing women for feet pics to feel like they are in control. Siphoning all their money into fortune tellers who will bring their ex-husband back, or into a therapist to tell them it's not their fault.This is just another drop of shit in the cesspool, I am merely a poor fuck cursed with the ability to reason in a world where its only practical application is swindling other less capable "people".Larping faggots will be larping faggots and it's not something in my control, all I can do is (strive to) make art worth sharing and live a proper life, surrounded by people who are not braindead if possible.
>>7347609>Art Students LeagueASL had Grimaldi and Dan Thompson teaching there at some point, fucking incredible. But in Slew's defense, getting into ASL or some other fancy atelier is a big commitment, and can be intimidating for a newbie. I think mid ateliers serve a purpose, they are the gateway drug for people with actual talent and dedication. People just starting out can go to Slew, do a few sessions and realize they really want to pursue that, and eventually they'll hear about a real place like ASL or GCA and end up there.
>>7347721>OP sawI'm pretty sure the OP is the Youtuber himself
>>7347744you said it. you're a lot more free when you realize you don't need to give a single shit about almost anyone else. most things that that you find annoying, stupid, controversial, you can literally just ignore. in the end it has nothing to do with us and nothing changes by our knowledge or interacting with it. we could instead spend time on our own pursuits.
>>7346279God I just checked out a couple of his videos and it is worse than anyone here would have guessedThe 3-part video girl painting goes like this> Can you guess what that painting is about?>It was supposed to be Medusa looking back at her old self >Yeah, those are snakes on her hair not just recolor>"Medusa" looks barely different from her old self. > turns out this is a redraw of ANOTHER drawing that has the same idea but is better executed (see the image). Talk about creative bankrupt>Hire models and costumes to take reference images>Can NOT edit himself so he hires a PRO editor to spoonfeed his art process>700$ canvas> Take 2 weeks for this >Got the "perfect" edited image to paint>CAN'T even copy the image but have to trace using the projector to create his "art"> struggles greatly and has to admit that he likes composing the photo and "his" idea more than actually painting (No I did not make this up) >"Are you wondering why the girl and her reflection don't match? It will be explained in my book"This is a disaster worse than Proko fetus.
>>7347804it's true the photo came out miles better than the final art. All the strong color contrast goes away in the painting
>>7347804Holy fuck, i was actually defending this hack at first glance for trying to do something but fuck him. It turns out he is a total charlatan.
>>7347804>Got the "perfect" edited image to paintLol, ultra noob mistake. The edited photos are shit for the most part. You use edited photos, only if you are a photorealtard and you copy the photo pixel for pixel.For everything else, you want to have plane pictures, so you can "edit" them with paint.
>>7347804He should've hosted an art contest with that topic and used the initial drawing as "inspiration" for his audience instead of trying to redraw it on an overly expensive canvas. Because this is just sad. >>7347744This is so accurate
>>7347770ASL accepts everyone and has drop in studio practice with the figure regularly. The entire point of ASL is to teach young and beginner artists without all the academic gatekeeping and at a low cost. Bridgman taught there for twenty years and his successor Robert Hale. The student alumni is pretty impressive as well, Rockwell & Pollock both took anatomy classes at ASL. You can take online classes too but they are pricier and the options are more limited. If you live in NY its basically the best price to value ratio for art education in the world - you get weekly critiques by people as good as Vilppu for like $200/mon.Example of their long running anatomy program:https://studioclasses.artstudentsleague.org/course/Porcu-Anatomy-for-Artists_cd_4156_6628
I bet he would sell more if he lowered the prices of his works and focused on a more general audience. The prices and sites he is using are for modern artists who want to sell to millionaires, while his works seem more suited to a younger audience.>>7347804>"Are you wondering why the girl and her reflection don't match? It will be explained in my book"Kek.
>>7346279I feel like I could have ended up with similiar delusions had I not learned to be self critical. Had I simply believed normies saying "ooh nice picture anon"..Coming up with intricate excuses for why things look a certain way instead of simply admitting to myself whenever it needs more work. That maybe I'm not where I'd like to be or need to be in order to feel satisfied with my work..A self defeating (sometimes even perpetual) attitude kept in place by a psyche that betrays itself. I have had several defining moments in my own journey where I've just simply come to terms with the reality that my work is trash. A state of disillusionment. Painful but from there I started to realistically plot out what I needed to improve on. My weaknesses. Then set out to work those issues out.Maybe I have a harder time liking my work but it's only because I set high standards for it. I have something to aspire to and I will get there when I get there. Most importantly to me is to live up to my own expectations.This kind of mindset displayed by that artist admittedly irritates me. Representing stagnation and a rigid inability to accept objective reality. Maybe part of why is because I can relate to it. I came from there. I had to humble myself in order to advance. People can also contribute to this by never being truthful to them in the first place. Surrounded by either peers that have the same skill level or artists who's ego won't allow them to help you level up.I've found if you can learn to be your own teacher then you can go the distance. Be it all on your own.
>>7346279hes not gonna fail anytime soon I don't like his shit either but he must be really rich to sustain the things you see the crazy stuffs in his channel. this is nothing more than a vanity project rather than a financial one and he must realized it since his audiences are youtube viewers
>>7347804>turns out this is a redraw of ANOTHER drawing that has the same idea but is better executedI somehow memory holed that detail, after watching the whole three videos. That sorta invalidates the whole "project".
>>7347575Fuck off, it's cool. I miss the realistically-rendered grotesque shit. Ratfinks and whatever other "ugly" shit you would find in some garage in a Rust Belt garage. Fgk off with your gayass sameface weeaboo bullshit, we like SOUL around here.
>>7347770what are good ateliers?And how to recognize them?
>>7348326If you walk in and you see material PROOF of the work being done in the school, then you can immediately check if the school is bullshit or not, like Jeff Watts shows here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39OsihWtGa4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYCy6yd1gxohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV4HzaoXnTUIf student work looks good then you're in the right place. Remember you're buying a product, it is YOUR money, so you're in charge, not the guy infront of you pretending to be some superior being just because he can "draw". If he's good at drawing but he can't teach for shit, then he IS shit trying to scam people out of their money. Don't let anyone manipulate you.
>>7348343How would you know that the school is not just taking the best: they are already good, so their stuff looks good.Before-after pictures are rare and ofc can be optimized for in fraudulent ways as well.Watts Atelier is the one I knew. I looked at a couple of European ones as well. But I wonder how much it's marketing "oooh, we are in Italy!" "Paris!". Of course those are art hubs, but it feels like you always pay extra for the marketing varnish.
>>7348362Most of them are scams since Europe is a brand in itself. You need to research extensively to find good ones that aren't going to rip you off with the marketing scheme.
>>7348343>>7348370>empty vapid lukewarm iq platitudes with zero useful information what drives midwits to respond to questions they have no answer to?
>>7347804People have a completely wrong idea about drawing and painting. Its due to grafit and obscura studios marketing their 9000 pose packs. Dumbass people (99% of population) think they need an exact reference for their art, they think that accuracy is the no1 skill to have, they think they need to paint these deep epic topics.His graffoty art os also garbage but waaaay better than anything else he makes.
>>7348326Do you want to draw like Proko - he's basically a one trick pony of using extremely hard shadow edges to make things look good? If not avoid ateliers.
>>7348362>How would you know that the school is not just taking the best: they are already goodWell, at least they should have that to show. If there's no proof at all of quality work anywhere in the studio then that's a clear red flag. Usually these places have the walls plastered with beg-tier drawings of students as well, so don't take that the wrong way neither. That's fine.But even if the teacher's own drawings suck, then you know what you're getting into.Then there's the other approach, wich is to put yourself into "that" environment, a well put place, with good materials, real models, and a little community of real students in the class to interact and get real feedback. Even if the teacher sucks, if you have all of that, then that's valid too. I think that's the case with the "SLEW studio". He's putting the environment in place, it's all there, everything but the talent. lol.
>>7346279His art looks like he trained on nothing but copying AI images and his content is garbage, but, I dunno, he's trying to build something bigger than himself and his art which is respectable.
>>7348370True, but for me Europe would also be more convenient, since I am there already. the brand thing also bothers me, especially when the workshops and programmes are held in English.Optimizing for "tourists".>>7348386interesting take... and i think you are onto something>>7348388I think this is the way to go
>>7348386Proko would fail out of an Atelier at his current level. He should be a lot better to graduate...
>>7348448he literally taught at Watts
holy mother of soulless individual, may he reconvert to a bullshit social job, where he will fit in, where he will find happiness in refreshing his linkeding page, between two mint chewing gums.
>>7348380That's how Boris Valejo paints though.
>>7348209>That sorta invalidates the whole "project"it is. How can people expect quality writing in your book if even the idea of painting (even that's not really that original or interesting) is directly taken from another artist who borrows from one of the popular myths in the world?
>>7348241That is true indeed and honestly what initially helped me break out of the mindset.Honest criticism no matter how harsh is more compassionate than entertaining peoples delusions. At least then you give them a choice.
You seem to be jealous, OP.
>>7346324JakeDontDraw is based as fuck. That guy is a tradchad.
>>7346279>nepobaby “achievements”yawn
>>7346279I wanna see him make it now just to piss off OP
>>7349226 Nice try slew
>>7349221That the faggot who puts "no ai" in his thumbnails and then spends the whole video looking for aislop to reference?
>>7348448lol retard why do you think he shills watts so much
>>7349343Jakedontdraw, Dave Rapoza, Marc Brunet, Proko, Sinix. Those are the ones we know they lurk here. I bet OP is Proko trolling Slew, LMAO!
>>7349348Rapoza lurks here lmao? Amazing how every new thing I learn about him makes me respect him less.
>>7349348>Dave RapozaI hate him when he tries to imitate anime art without even going out from his comfort zone using the same brushes and textures for the anime styled art. Looks so wacky and weird.
>>7349401He's an ex-con, what else would you expect?
>>7349221>JakeDontDraw is based as fuckI like him but he constantly cries about his commenters and it is getting pretty annoying
>Amazing how every new thing I learn about him makes me respect him lesswhats the lore here?
>>7349498He started as a Juvenile delinquent, he robbed some stores and vehicles. He later got into arts and did some cool pics on deviant art and reached some clout traction. Then he fucked it up doing some Garfield Gender bender Loli porn, and couldn't get totally back on track after that. You can tell the guy is cornered into a posing fake persona, when he really would like to be an art troll through-and-through. But he has a family to take care of, he's a bounded broken soul now.
>>7347804I wish I had the lack of self awareness this guy has. He seems much happier.
>>7349815You really think high of yourself Slew. Good for you, I guess.
>>7349815>much happiermore confident also which is a key to success in many fields. His field is not painting its content creator so he benefits greatly.
>>7349832>His field is not painting its content creatorGood save right there Slew. You're becoming a true master on this grifter gig. Sneaky bastard.
>>7349348Proko doesn't lurk here most likely he is clueless boomer tier he didn't even know what 4chan was the last time his employee brought up the 4chan kangaroo meme.
>>7351036he knows, he almost certainly at least used to lurk here to advertise himself and check or report pirated course. surely anyone would do that in his shoes
>>7346288This guy didn't seem to quite get the memo that no one actually buys artwork at these shows simply because they like the art.Its a huge grift where buyers and artist work together behind the scenes to launder huge sums of money.
>>7346288Jesus Christ, how does this fucker afford all this. Is 300k subs on youtube enough to make you a multi millionare??
>>7346279>What do you think about this guyI pity him.He's the kind of kid who got it relatively easy, who have a few "yesmen" kind of guy around him, and who's just got slapped by life in the face.It's a great opportunity for him to progress though, he really need to be challenged to be able to truly progress. He's got some potential, but he needs to work more, deeper, be less sensitive to flattery and more objective towards what he does.
>>7351170>launder huge sums of moneyDumbest meme of ic
>>7346288>>7346296He kinda sounds like Tom Green
>>7351344I'ts quite literally been a thing since the days of Andy Warhol, and has been proven.Sorry, but no one actually thinks there is any value in painting where someone shits on the canvas. Its also the only reason NFT's like pic related can be "sold" for thousands of dollars.
>>7351170>>7351184>>7351377I don't think he expects to sell his work for that amount of money. He is a shady character in that sense, he doesn't promote a patreon, or any other usual crowd founding platform, but instead, he went all the way to legally open a "non-profit charity foundation" for HIS OWN art atelier. He's being advised by some "knowledgeable people". So he expects to receive funds above and beyond of what any other youtuber would get. Instead of putting a basket on the table to catch money, he's throwing a whole fishing net in the sea to catch everything. Youtubers collect for those charities, charities (money laundrering and tax evasion) pay influencers to promote their charities, SLEW just opened HIS OWN charity, lmao.Like he said in this video https://youtu.be/o5UCQnr9UM4?si=DB5ByR-gM4l42_3e&t=765>"If you do donate, you can write that off on your taxes"He's not aiming at your usual youtube viewer/follower, when he said THAT. He was talking about OTHER kind of "people": Anyone in need of "writing off tax money". You can't get more shady than that, and I don't know if he is 100% aware of what he is doing. He may think that he can "control" the beast, but when truckloads of "strange money" start banging at his door we will see the real Slew. He will start painting lambos and ferraris, and filling pools with oils...
>>7346296exactly this, the fine art world is like 95% presentation and branding. the types that buy art generally want to invest in a person's name. This is part of the reason why most fine artists are insufferable, they have to cultivate a personal mystique. guy's appearance isn't the main problem, in the op picture he reasonably looks the part. it's his voice, his diction. It all reeks of suburban middle class bro who doodles in class so that if fate were a little different, he would be tattoing the tasmanian devil on some white trash rump. And his art signals that, it's juvenile and not in a pretentiously playful way. it's too bad, because he does seem passionate and genuine, but that world is not for him. it's not for most of anyone who is authentic, really.still he's found success in a different niche and we can't begrudge him that.
>>7346279Honestly I am jealous of people like him. He said in one of his videos that his mom pays for is huge ass NYC flat/studio and if that wasn't enough, he moved to an even bigger studio after that. And here I am selling paintings for a couple of hundred €, but probably have to give up very soon, because I have trouble paying my rent as sales have dried up lately. Must be fucking nice to create without existential anxiety and hosting a life drawing group was always my dream. I can't help but feel bitter about it, as I can't even pay for my 20m2 studio apartment that I sleep and work in. It is kind of my fault that I suck at what I do, but god I wish someone had my back and I could just tackle projects regardless if they will sell or not and even have a big fucking show on top of it. FML really, I want his life.
Threads like these are exactly why artists don't get paid shit. Every time someone tries to make it suddenly they're dragged back down by a million dumbfuck crabs. NSFW art makes too much money, furries make too much money, fan art makes too much money, woke art makes too much money, abstract art makes too much money, digital art, marvel, anime, fucking NFTs. What the actual fuck are people supposed to sell?
>>7352632I know right? If someone could just give you enough to breathe, that would suffice. You don't go out, you don't shop for clothing, or shoes, or any other shit, you're not a criminal, you avid hurting people, you are frugal as a fucking plant, you could live on fucking nothing and do beautiful things for the world, and yet, the world decided that you should not have it. Not even that little bit of help that could make you happy. No. You must throw yourself in the meat grinder, as hard as you can and even so you won't make enough money anyways to have a decent life. Life can be so funny huh. Instead pieces of shit, scumbags, crooks, scammers, and liars, are given everything on a silver platter, they can have a brake, but not you.That will change, when you snap out of it, and you get mad, MAD AS HELL. And you decide to go for them, all of them, all the Slews, all them prokos, all them Pewds, cheat, lie, deceive, get in front of the line like THEY do. And you will have your own brake at life. Because no one else will give you a breather.
>>7352632it's annoying we have to be constantly inundated with the social media accounts of rich failsons. In previous generations they just got drunk while touring Europe but the masses were spared seeing how the dumb children of the elites lived.Now it's all out in the open and we are forced to go to work knowing we're better than them but will never have as much as a tenth of their wealth or freetime or opportunities etc etc
>>7352758I'm sure there are exceptions, like, I don't know, Sophia Coppola?
>>7346279what is wrong with you faggots I've never seen such a terrible hobby board since nu-/k/(lefty fed takeover)
OK, what the fuck is this shit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G0J4UZuF5oLMAO, this guy is throwing the whole kitchen at the wall in hope that something sticks, he doesn't give a fuck.
>>7351569good post. he isn't a bad dude but he is uncultured and dull. he doesn't know beauty.
>>7360763This. He didn't have a classic education in the arts, so when he tries to do something "classy" like that medusa painting, he fails miserably. Getting a classic education in the arts takes time. This kid decided to use that time AND MONEY to do all of these "youtuber stunts". This is the result, a LAME artist doing LAME art.These other guys on the other hand, you can tell they had some serious art education, they are not kids bullshiting their way up on the online art mainstream:https://www.youtube.com/@santocesart/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@SIMPLIFYDrawingandPainting/videos
>>7360788you gotta be kidding me. Cesar santos is your idea of a classy education?
>>7360801who the fuck would pay thousands for this shit?
>>7360801Yep. He is a proper artist. He does have the talent and the education. Thought he's involved in a particular art scene (Florida) where he's expected to do that kitschy shit. Money talks.>>7360807>FloridaNuff said.
>>7360819>He does have the talent and the education.Talent, yeah ok. Education, yeah, he's gone through the motions, attended Angel in Florence, hung out with GCA peeps and did the Hudson River thing. But that "classic education" seems to have been wasted on a guy who ends up painting pic related. He may have gone through the proper institutions, but it doesn't seem like he was very receptive to their influence. Feels like he's trying super hard to be "original" or something.
>>7347804Is he tracing a projection?
>>7346324>JakeDontDraw>>7349221Eh, jakedon'tdraw just took classes with Hurtado and turned around to re-teach it before he had the appropriate skill level. Hurtado is an actual art giga-chad so he dgaf and encourages it. I also took Hurtado's courses and follow him, so I know this is the case because jake emphasises some specific things I've seen nowhere else (and I've looked everywhere) and cuz hurtado often shares his former students' work and shared jakedon'tdraw a bunch of times.
>>7352729>the world decidedReminder that you live in nature and this is the default. No one decides to 'keep you down', it's getting raised up that happens by decision. Those who are raised up for any reason other than 'got gud' are doomed to be charlatans like the OP slew guy.Do you want to be comfortable and incompetent, or so competent you can purchase comfort?
>>7349841Behold, king of art grifters.
that was embarrassing, though watch. slew art looks narcissistic. Fine art isn't easy and he doesn't takes it seriously he belongs to fanart and sticker hell convention.
>>7361269The only time I've ever like D'Angelo Wallace is when he ripped him a new one for completely losing it from a nice, but honestly art critic that said his work was 'technically impressive, but creativity sterile'. No likes fucking lies detected on that obvious (except to normies) appraisal.
>>7360819>He does have the talent and the educationCould he trade either of those for even a drop of taste?
>>7361695I find it so funny Wallace moved to talk about drama because his artwork and art videos did so poorly
>>7361222yep he did instead of taking this as an opportunity to learn to draw on a large canvas he gets a projector and trace. The painting part exploded on his face and he had to repaint it 4 times. The end result looks unfinished because he has to send it to his exhibition 3 days after he "finishes" this one.a disaster no doubt
>>7352632>I have to give my hobby up because I can't get a day job.
>>7360801>>7360938Holy Jesus WHAT THE FUCKI though Cesar was doing like-- academic stuff, like Gerome or something, Jesus this is why people are right about skill being pointless in art without creativity no wonder ateliers are still second rate.
>>7365280I've met some atelier students, and they really are the most uncreative people of all. Some have even said to me that they want to do academic work with a perfect technique because they're just not good at creating their own stuff. If you think about it, anybody with an inclination to do some artistic exploration, to say something with his own voice, will get filtered out by the atelier system immediately.You should check out Cesar Santos' current work btw, thrilling stuff.
>>7365707>will get filtered out by the atelier system immediatelyThat's the right thing to do if you are training a professional artists in the academic classical style. Imagine you need to restore an historical piece, (could be an sculpture, engraving, painting or whatever) and you get a "creative" FAGGOT who thinks that he's entitled to be "free to express himself", and then, you get a PIECE OF SHIT like Chagall RUINING the historical and magnificent Paris Opera with a GIGANTIC VOMIT OF A TURD plastered on the ceiling.
>>7365707> If you think about it, anybody with an inclination to do some artistic exploration, to say something with his own voice, will get filtered out by the atelier system immediately.It's an over simplification, the situation is more complex than that. It's a fun game to untangle the various causes and effects, so I'll leave this to you, because I'm too lazy to do it here and now.> You should check out Cesar Santos' current work btw, thrilling stuff.Yeah.. let's see what comes out of it in a decade, it can hardly get much worse.
>>7368559Or worse you get some ostentatious faggot like Bernini ruining ancient Greek sculpture cause he wanted to flex. The problem is no "third way" exists for people who want to learn techniques and be creative except independent study.
>>7368887>Or worse ...I don't think that's worse at all. Placing an ACTUAL toilet full of turds on an art exhibition, that's worse.
>>7349405it's true, ex-con's are known for using textured brushes to draw anime
>>7368958Alright fair worse is an over statement but I only say that to show that the new when allowed to work on the old always shits it up, it's been a constant problem across history.I agree with you creative people should stay away from academic ateliers, but we do need third places for these.
>>7352632get a day job like every other artist who has not yet made it
>>7352685well he sold nothing, so it isn't about earning too much money. It's the soullessness and talentlessness combined with that confidence of this hack that triggers us (me).
>>7360788>classic education in the artsthis doesn't exist anymore, not even in ateliers
>>7369162What about Watts Atelier?
>>7369162Angel Academy in Florence.
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>>7369162Florence Academy of Arts?Grand Central Atelier?Lyme Academy? Surely some of this must meet your standards, at least partially.
>>7348209what’s the drawing? gib saos
>>7372485it is on the original post picture at the top leftit is literally the same idea but infinitely better execution
>>7369279>>7371990>>7371994>>7372348NTAYou won't get anything out of them copying bargue plates at home and life drawing classes couldn't teach you for half the price if not $0, there is nothing past that any of them teach, look at academic and before paintings and look at theirs, they have no fucking clue how anything works past the drawing stage.
>>7372955ok thats fine and all but you're only referring to french academiesrussian ateliers dont waste time on that nonsense
>>7372955You won't even make it through entrance exams with that kind of knowledge. Repin's Academy already requires you to be proficient at drawing and painting, with thousands of hours of still lives and bust drawing. What they teach there is exactly the kind of thing you can't really find online without sifting through tons of garbage. From technical know-how, to deconstructing the technique of the old masters to forming of shapes, multi-figure compositions and handling the color rhytm and structure. What you're referring to is children's school of painting and drawing, see pic related.
>>7372977>>7372957No offense but whenever I look at a Nikolai Blokhin or another students work from the Repin Institute I don't see old master paintings, they're "realism" in the Millet sense, which tells me that they likely don't know anything about old master painting that you can't find online which is the one thing I said they're missing. I haven't seen every single students.alumnis work, but this isn't evocative of old master stuff.
>>7373041Blokhin is just one professor, there's a number of "workshops" there each with their own leading teacher. He's kind of very into trying to be Fechin, but the rest of the curriculum is quite literally:>studying and copying the masters, often directly from originals at the museum>recreating old recipes for imprimatura, wax emulsions and on and on>art historyand other classes you would not get anywhere, complete with a crazy anatomy course and live horse sessions.If you're looking to get exactly the old master techniques, there's an art restoration faculty where you actually learn exactly the way it was done back in the day. Here's a video that lets you glimpse the learning process:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7cAeuSCnCs
>>7373178I've seen the documentary before, and I'm going to sound like a stubborn ass, but I keep seeing results closer to Sargent and 1800s+ painters than old masters, which is a problem if they really do teach those techniques.I skipped straight to the restoration part because I saw this video many times before, it doesn't say much on how required it is, or what the process is.Every time I see a students work it isn't that, I went ahead and looked at the alumni just for you to try and find one who has any finished works like old masters, I find none.The few guys I find who can nail the 1600s look which is as good as it gets for oil painting save for a few academicist are all from Italy not Russia, and they didn't go to "Angel Academy Atelier" in Florence they went to regional academies which are lesser known.Now unless you're telling me that these guys do recreate master works exactly in sophomore year or something--And then just choose to never do it ever again in favor of more impressionist works, well you'd have to find me some proof of that first. And that would be fine but you would have to find it.
>>7373398>they went to regional academies which are lesser known.can you share some names? I'm interested since I've done a few workshops and short-term studies at FAA and Barcelona AA, and I'd love to have a few more options.
>>7347804The funniest part for me is had he painted the work perfectly, he would still be a dime a dozen xerox at best. It would be a traced work, where all the heavy lifting was done by the editor and the original artist he took the idea from. Everything he did there could've been done by an actual printer 1000 times better.
>>7347804worst thing about this is how bad the execution is compared to the original at the composition/idea phase"Medusa" looks like a generic princess in that modern-looking dressThe Medusa iconic snake hair looks utterly pathetic here also. The mirror looks flat as well.
>>7373041>I don't see old master paintings, they're "realism"You are a little bit stupid, right? There was no Renaissance in Russia. At the time of Italian Renaissance in Rus art was very religious influenced by Byzantium.Modern Russian drawing school is the best in the world, regardless form and volume. There are different schools, French (the one Americans love so much) or Italian. Italians preferred to accentuate the flow, best example for today would be Vilppu. I dont thing there are many people in Italy who still know this style.French school is shit.As i sad, in therm of volume, Russian drawing school is by far the best. Like pic related. But its not old, Rembrand did not draw like this, nor Rubins, nor Zorn or Sargent. As a painter your working more with shapes rather then form, so such levels of autism are a little bit redundant.Russian painting school is not bad, but nothing special. Its not about Renaissance. Its a mixture between late 19 century Russian Realism, Peredvizhniki and soviet Social Realism. Yeah like, you cant learn to Paint like Raphael in Russia, who would have known?
>>7352632I like living in the real world
most of his paintings were about himself in various costumes, who the fuck would buy a painting of him?
>>7373965This is the same thing I see in most atelier-type graduates, half their output is fucking self portraits. How are you gonna sell any of that? Nobody wants a crappy painting of your ugly face, get your narcissism under control.
>>7373973Most of art masterpieces throughout history are portraits or self portraits.
>>7373983>most masterpieces are portraitsI'm not debating that at all. Read my post again.>most masterpieces are self portraitsthis is such a stupid take. Most art masterpieces are definitely not self portraits. And even if they were, most of those were self-portraits done at the peak of an already successful career, where they showed themselves as an established artist and showed off all their glory. There are very few self-portraits that established or cemented a career. First you make a name for yourself, then you show off how much of a badass you are. Rembrandt is one of the few exceptions.
>>7373765>You are a little bit stupid, right? But I agree with everything you just said.Thank you.
>>7373992>Most art masterpieces are definitely not self portraits. And even if they were, most of those were self-portraits done at the peak of an already successful career, where they showed themselves as an established artist and showed off all their gloryA guy named Van Gogh begs to differ
